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ts-pa
12-18-2009, 09:56 PM
My firefighter brother told me about this possibility....

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/158097/when-leds-go-wrong-snow-covered-stop-lights/;_ylc=X3oDMTI1a210M2RpBFJfYWlk AwRSX2RtbgN5YWhvby5jb20EUl9maW QDYzZmMGRmYTY3ZWU3NzE5MjA4M2My ODIzMDViNDRmODIEUl9sdHADMQ--

When LEDs go wrong: Snow-covered stop lights

Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:45AM EST
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Buzz up!15 votes http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/null__17/null-302757133-1261154298_thumb.jpg?ym6PUYCDE VwA7l17 (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AgFFqpVOJV7yQwJgLgBMJg3PM ZA5/SIG=12qsg6o6o/**http%3A//a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/null__17/null-302757133-1261154298.jpg%3Fym6PUYCDEGoh8 5VP)Yay for power savings: Putting LEDs in stop lights means that intersections around the country use less energy to keep those red, green, and yellow lights burning 24 hours a day. By some measures, LCD lighting uses 90 percent less energy than incandescent lighting does, and the bulbs last much, much longer before burning out (thus requiring less manpower to constantly replace them). The bottom line is that it all adds up to significant savings for municipalities when spread out over many years.
It all sounds fine and dandy... but a catch is now becoming evident. Because LEDs don't get hot, they can't melt snow (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091215/ap_on_re_us/us_snow_covered_stoplights;_yl t=Atf.iYYyjYEEZqAcZSLrmvbPMZA5 ). Why is this important? Because in wintry climates, traffic signal alcoves regularly fill up with the white stuff, obscuring the lights behind them. Result: Drivers don't see red lights, and sometimes they plow through the intersection in their obliviousness. At least one driver has likely died as a result of snow-obscured traffic signals, and probably more.
The fix, for now, is decidedly old-school. After heavy snowfall, crews roll out to each intersection and clean the snow out by hand. It's labor-intensive and expensive... and it probably negates a large portion of the cost savings from using LEDs to begin with.
Now the hunt for a tech fix is underway -- whether that means adding weather shields to lights, coating them with a water/snow/ice-repellent substance, or adding little heaters to the lights to melt the snow -- a little ironic, considering a regular light bulb could have done the job on its own before.
What's surprising is that the problem hasn't been deadlier than it's proven already, and that's probably because drivers are better than we might think about handling obscured lights. The rule at intersections where the lights are obscured is the same as that where the lights are out completely: Treat it as a four-way stop. The problem is what happens if the weather is so bad that you can't see the presence of the lights at all: Where before a driver might have had a hint of a stop ahead thanks to a dim red glow through the driving snow, now he may have nothing to cue him into it.
Save us, technology!

knine
12-19-2009, 05:58 AM
".....this has all happened before and it will all happen again."

Prize to the first person to identify the quote.

MM_BKK
12-19-2009, 06:47 AM
They should install thermastat controlled heaters on each of the lens to melt snow like side mirrors on our cars.

I know that will add to the cost of each unit, but look how many lives it will save and not to mention lawsuits.

Bluerauder
12-19-2009, 07:12 AM
".....this has all happened before and it will all happen again."

Prize to the first person to identify the quote.

This ^^^^ is the opening line from "Peter Pan".

"All this has happened before, and it will all happen again. But this time it happened in London. It happened on a quiet street in Bloomsbury. That corner house over there is the home of the Darling family. And Peter Pan chose this particular house because there were people here who believed in him."

W4LTD
12-19-2009, 08:21 AM
This ^^^^ is the opening line from "Peter Pan".

"All this has happened before, and it will all happen again. But this time it happened in London. It happened on a quiet street in Bloomsbury. That corner house over there is the home of the Darling family. And Peter Pan chose this particular house because there were people here who believed in him."

Ahhh, the power of Google.
;)


The law clearly states that an obscured (or non-functioning) traffic signal should always be treated as a four-way stop.

RF Overlord
12-19-2009, 03:51 PM
ts-pa, I changed the title of this thread...the original title sounded like the warning was for LED stop lights on the car.

knine
12-20-2009, 05:35 AM
Google or not, that's not what I was quoting, please try again. Hint: It's a line from a TV show, repeated throughout the series.

JimmyXR7
12-20-2009, 06:18 AM
They should install thermastat controlled heaters on each of the lens to melt snow like side mirrors on our cars.

I know that will add to the cost of each unit, but look how many lives it will save and not to mention lawsuits.

What about another low tech solution.

Remove the lower portion of the shroud, so the remaining portion is similar to a roof with out anything to hold snow infront of the light.

Jim

Donny Carlson
12-20-2009, 10:31 AM
Google or not, that's not what I was quoting, please try again. Hint: It's a line from a TV show, repeated throughout the series.


Battlestar Galactica

http://tmeatcc2009.files.wordpress.co m/2009/08/battlestar_galactica.jpg


http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/04/galactica.jpg

Bluerauder
12-20-2009, 01:35 PM
Google or not, that's not what I was quoting, please try again. Hint: It's a line from a TV show, repeated throughout the series.
The line was used on "Battle Star Galactica", too.... but it was stolen from Peter Pan. Gimmee my dayum prize. :rolleyes:

BTW --- I don't use Google. I am an Alta Vista man. :D

knine
12-21-2009, 07:35 AM
Battlestar Galactica

http://tmeatcc2009.files.wordpress.co m/2009/08/battlestar_galactica.jpg





The line was used on "Battle Star Galactica", too.... but it was stolen from Peter Pan. Gimmee my dayum prize. :rolleyes:

BTW --- I don't use Google. I am an Alta Vista man. :D

OK, we have two weiners! BG was what I was looking for........as far as for Peter Pan, well, ummm, either it's great to always be a kid, or...:eek:

BTW, what the frak is that second pic? Nice on the eyes, but wtf?

duhtroll
12-21-2009, 09:23 AM
They are going about this all wrong.

Bill Gates says he knows how to control the weather. Lets just have him only make it snow where there aren't stoplights.

Or do I have to think of everything?