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Mikeenh
11-11-2002, 05:27 PM
I thought this might be of interest to us all.

Here are the facts behind 5W-20:
Question: My owners manual species 5W-20 oil. Do I really need to use 5W-20 oil and why did my 2000 model year vehicle require a 5W-30 oil, while the exact same engine in my 2001, 2002 and newer engines "requires" a 5W-20 oil?
Answer: You do not need to use a 5W-20 oil. Do not let your dealer scare you by telling you that you have to use it for your warranty. That is a tactic that some dealerships use to scare customers. Once you know the facts and the Federal Magnusson Moss Act law you will be much better informed to protect your rights and use the type of oil you want to use.
One of the main reasons 5W-20 was specified for your engine is to increase the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) reported to the Federal Government. CAFE is the combined average fuel economy of all of a vehicle manufacturers product line. Minimum CAFE levels are specified by the Federal Government. In order for a vehicle manufacturer to continue selling profitable large trucks and SUV's, which typically have poor fuel mileage ratings, as compared to smaller cars, and still meet mandated CAFE requirements, they must also sell enough of the smaller cars which have much better fuel economy ratings to offset the poor fuel economy ratings of the larger vehicles. For model year 2001, the change to a 5W-20 oil will allow Ford and Honda's overall CAFE to increase by a very small amount, typically in the tenths of a mile per gallon range. 5W-20 oil is a lighter viscosity than a 5W-30 oil and therefore has less internal engine frictional losses, or less drag on the crankshaft, pistons and valvetrain, which in turn promotes increased fuel economy. This increased fuel economy is virtually undetectable to the average motorist without the use of specialized engine monitoring and testing equipment under strictly controlled test track driving when compared to a 5W-30, 10W-30 or a 0W-30 viscosity motor oil.
Question: Could using a 5W-30, 10W-30, 0W-30 or even a 10W-40 or 20W-50, oil in my vehicle which specifies a 5W-20 oil void my new car warranty?
Answer: Absolutely not. Vehicle manufacturers only recommend using motor oils meeting certain viscosity grades and American Petroleum Institute service requirements. Whether a motor oil is a 5W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30, 0W-30, 10W-40 or 20W-50 (for racing and high performance applications in, for example, a Cobra R Mustang) or even a synthetic vs. a petroleum based oil will not affect warranty coverage. The manufacturer is required by Federal Law to cover all equipment failures it would normally cover as long as the oil meets API service requirements and specifications and was not the cause of failure. In addition, the Federally mandated Magnuson - Moss Act states that a manufacturer may not require a specific brand or type of aftermarket product unless it is provided free of charge. If your dealership continues to tell you that you must use 5W-20 motor oil and or/ a specific brand of 5W-20 motor oil, then ask them to put it in writing. Their position is inaccurate, and, in fact violates existing law.*
Additionally, if there is ever a question of whether or not a particular motor oil was the cause of an engine failure make sure to get a sample of the used oil in a clean bottle, typically 6 oz. minimum. The oil can then be sent to two independent testing labs for analysis. This is standard procedure for most commercial vehicles, trucking, construction/excavation and fleet companies and there are numerous certified test labs all over the country. Remember, a knowledgeable and informed consumer is your best defense against being taken advantage of by a car dealership service center.

jessejames
11-11-2002, 05:32 PM
Great info...thanks.

RF Overlord
11-11-2002, 05:37 PM
If I could add just one more thing to the above? (BTW...excellent explanation, mikeenh). My owner's manual says 5W-20 oil is "recommended"; I didn't see the word "required" anywhere...

JohnnyB
11-11-2002, 05:51 PM
Up until the last few years, I had been changing my own oil every 2,000-2,500 miles. I always used Castrol 10W40 with a Motorcraft filter and had no problems. All I've ever owed are Ford cars. Nowadays, I take my car in for dealer service and they put in whatever they use. The oil filters are too hard to get to w/o a lift and I don't have to worry about discarding used oil.....

russ in VA
11-11-2002, 08:11 PM
I am a Mobile 1 user. I plan to switch to Mobile 1 but want to allow the car to break in fully before switching to the slippery stuff. Any suggestions on how long to wait? My gut feel is, change the oil and filter at 1000 miles and using a normal oil, then change it again at 4000 and switch to Mobile 1.

LincMercLover
11-11-2002, 08:39 PM
I'm swapping mine out at 1000 to Mobil 1. Amsoil says 500, but I feel that's a little too soon. I don't know, everyone has their own opinions are proper engine break in...

Good point RF, I was thinking the same thing when I was reading that!

RCSignals
11-11-2002, 11:30 PM
The main thing to have if you ever do have an engine failure under warranty is proof of regular maintenace and oil changes. So keep all your reciepts if you aren't having the dealership do service.

VaderSS
11-12-2002, 03:15 PM
I had posted a pretty good article here;

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=549&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

I think this sums it up well;


2. Follow-up Survey of 5W20 Oil Usage. The manufacturer commits to perform the following
either approximately two years after the use of 5W20 engine oil is approved by EPA ,
a. Acquire from oil manufacturers......(info on actual use by consumers of 5W20)

This information will be used by EPA to determine whether approval of the use of 5W20 engine oil
should be extended beyond the 2003 model year..

Try and tell me it's not the EPA pushing this oil...

drobin
01-24-2004, 08:46 PM
Mike, after reading your post I feel more confident than ever in my choice of using Mobil 1 (10w 30) since first oil change. Thanks for a very imformative article. How is the Zep O Shine working out for you???/

Donald
"drobin"

uwsacf
01-24-2004, 08:54 PM
I used dino thru the first 4 oil changes at

100
250
500
750

at the 1000 mark we switched to Amsoil 3000 0w30

RCSignals
01-24-2004, 09:19 PM
Shouldn't this thread be in our special "Oil discussions only" forum?

SHERIFF
01-24-2004, 09:34 PM
When discussing oil............. you all have to remember......... a person's climate has a lot to do with individual decisions as well. A person in North Dakota or Minnesota is probably not going to use the same weight a person in Florida would use.

TAF
01-25-2004, 08:20 AM
RF!!!! WHERE are you!!!! It's an "oil thread" that's over 16 Months old!!!!!

jgc61sr2002
01-25-2004, 09:21 AM
RF!!!! WHERE are you!!!! It's an "oil thread" that's over 16 Months old!!!!! Todd - RF posted the third reply. He never missed an oil thread. :D

TAF
01-25-2004, 09:32 AM
Todd - RF posted the third reply. He never missed an oil thread. :D
Yes John...but it was a rather weak response...it's from Novemeber of '02...and it's from WAY before he became our appointed "Oil Guru"....I'm sure that he's been thinking about this thread...day and night for the last 16 months...I'm just interested in what he has to say after pondering this issue for that long...;)

Amsoil_Dealer
01-25-2004, 10:34 AM
.....A person in North Dakota or Minnesota is probably not going to use the same weight a person in Florida would use.

Why not?

I understand the premise for your statement in that in colder climates cold flow is more important and in hot climates low volatility and thermal stability is more important. My point is that with today's oils (particularly the synthetics) climate is much less of a factor than it once was.

As a case in point, I run 5W30 in Clearwater and have also run 5W20 and 0W30. Used oil analysis has confirmed excellent results, even with extended drain intervals through the summer.

Don