Shorty headers

[musclemerc]

Anyone looking for some FRPP shorty headers might want to check this out http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1188476 I just picked up a pair of JBA shorties yesterday for 175.00 shipped :eek: I guess Glenn got to me with all the shorties are good for power too posts. Thanks Glenn ;)

[babbage]

what are you going to do about the EGR - its on the wrong side?

[musclemerc]

Same as every one else swap it around. Should'nt bee too hard

[2,4shofast]

what are you going to do about the EGR - its on the wrong side?

Who needs an EGR? That is what delete plates are for :beer:

Good find...

[musclemerc]

With a egr delete will i throw a code?

[FordNut]

With a egr delete will i throw a code?

You have to turn it off in the tune. If you have emissions testing you may not be able to delete it.

[musclemerc]

You have to turn it off in the tune. If you have emissions testing you may not be able to delete it.
Thank You Sir! ;)

[dohc324ci]

Darn IT! I need money.....aint growing fast enough. Good find...

[Glenn]

Remember shorties are only an option for less then a complete LT system. They are not the final answer for a NA car. If you have $2,000 then LTs will give you more HP then Shorties - go for it!

IMO LTs are overrated, :eek: but on NA you will get higher HP at a higher cost. LTs are also noiser, but some do not mind. Many people like to just say they got "LT headers" - a status thing.

On a SC car shorties are fine up to 450 HP then LTs take over. The bottom line is what makes your car go faster and what you want. But, it is surprising how many high powered SC 4V 4.6 Mustangs do not run LTs.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[RacerX]

I just picked up a pair of JBA shorties yesterday for 175.00 shipped
Sooooo... where did you find those and that deal?

[musclemerc]

On a SVT forum, the guy was gonna use the for a turbo set up then changed plans and needed to get rid of them. http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy182/musclemerc/IMG00012-20100105-2045.jpg

[RacerX]

Nice score! :)

[dohc324ci]

This is making me sick....LOL

[FordNut]

Those are nice. Do yourself a big favor and reuse the OEM gaskets.

[babbage]

Remember shorties are only an option for less then a complete LT system. They are not the final answer for a NA car. If you have $2,000 then LTs will give you more HP then Shorties - go for it!

IMO LTs are overrated, :eek: but on NA you will get higher HP at a higher cost. LTs are also noiser, but some do not mind. Many people like to just say they got "LT headers" - a status thing.

On a SC car shorties are fine up to 450 HP then LTs take over. The bottom line is what makes your car go faster and what you want. But, it is surprising how many high powered SC 4V 4.6 Mustangs do not run LTs.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Again Glen whats surprising is how hard it is to install long tubes on a Mustang. Could that have anything to do with why 4V mustangs don't have them??

Kooks has a set for a Marauder for $889.94
Stainless works has a set for a Marauder for $989.69

[ImpalaSlayer]

Babbs, you may as well be speaking to a wall shorties are god and every thing else is inferior. long tubes costing 2k? are you high? i spent about 800 for mine.

[Glenn]

Again Glen whats surprising is how hard it is to install long tubes on a Mustang. Could that have anything to do with why 4V mustangs don't have them??

Kooks has a set for a Marauder for $889.94
Stainless works has a set for a Marauder for $989.69


If you guys want to post at least be honest with people and tell the complete story. Kooks headers require Kooks X-pipe for a total price of over $2,000 including taxes and shipping (or a complete custom pipe.) For several years Kooks would not even sell their Headers without the X-pipe as a complete system.

Also, if you have these professionally installed look for 6-8 hours of install time. Not everyone can install Kooks headers for their own MM. Most people can install Shorties.


KOOKS Headers and X-Pipe Systems -
MARAUDER/CROWN VICTORIA (4.6 2V)
Item ID 6803 Tube 1 5/8" Coll 2 1/2" Inlet 2 1/2" Unit Pair Weight 30/30/28 Our Price $1874.97 Year range 2003 - 2004 Quantity http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/templates/qq_up.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:upQty(document.the_form);)htt p://www.kookscustomheaders.com/templates/qq_down.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:downQty(document.the_form);)G asket/ Flanges Used Item No. 8023 Marauder Complete System: All StainlessAverage Installation Time 6-8 Hours http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/lib/sarp.php?func=show&src=../photos/productphotos/photo_filler.jpg

[babbage]

Glenn did you install your own shorties? Lol. No? Do tell us why not..

You have to custom fab the EGR...
You have to get the cobra down pipe...
You have to have a shop weld it up to factory system...


All of the above makes the install 6-8 hours easy. Those are shop hours unless you have your own weldig rig etc.

Enlighten us.


Add all of that up and guess what? You coulda had long tubes for same or less!

[FordNut]

If I was going to use shorties, here's what I would do...

Deal with the EGR with an adapter or blockoff plate.
Get a Cobra high flow downpipe with cats.
Chop off the pipes at the back of the cats.
Have adapter pipes made that connect the outlet of the cats to the 2-bolt flanges in the OEM H-pipe location.

I believe the shorties also require a 1/4" spacer under the motor mounts to clear the steering shaft.

[RR|Suki]

If you guys want to post at least be honest with people and tell the complete story. Kooks headers require Kooks X-pipe for a total price of over $2,000 including taxes and shipping (or a complete custom pipe.) For several years Kooks would not even sell their Headers without the X-pipe as a complete system.

Also, if you have these professionally installed look for 6-8 hours of install time. Not everyone can install Kooks headers for their own MM. Most people can install Shorties.


KOOKS Headers and X-Pipe Systems -
MARAUDER/CROWN VICTORIA (4.6 2V)
Item ID 6803 Tube 1 5/8" Coll 2 1/2" Inlet 2 1/2" Unit Pair Weight 30/30/28 Our Price $1874.97 Year range 2003 - 2004 Quantity http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/templates/qq_up.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:upQty(document.the_form);)htt p://www.kookscustomheaders.com/templates/qq_down.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:downQty(document.the_form);)G asket/ Flanges Used Item No. 8023 Marauder Complete System: All StainlessAverage Installation Time 6-8 Hours http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/lib/sarp.php?func=show&src=../photos/productphotos/photo_filler.jpg

LOL did you really just quote a sales pitch as fact? I got my LTs for $800 or so, and I had them installed for under $500. Then I had 3" exhaust built to the mufflers for $250 (provided my own stainless tube that I bought from a metal wholesaler)
And it's very false to suggest that "anyone can install shorties" :shake:

[babbage]

If I was going to use shorties, here's what I would do...

Deal with the EGR with an adapter or blockoff plate.
Get a Cobra high flow downpipe with cats.
Chop off the pipes at the back of the cats.
Have adapter pipes made that connect the outlet of the cats to the 2-bolt flanges in the OEM H-pipe location.

I believe the shorties also require a 1/4" spacer under the motor mounts to clear the steering shaft.

OOF! That last one about jacking up the motor scares the crap out of me as I haven't done this before. This from a guy who R&Red his own transmission and TC in my own Marauder in my own garage with 4 crappy jack stands!

[musclemerc]

If I was going to use shorties, here's what I would do...

Deal with the EGR with an adapter or blockoff plate.
Get a Cobra high flow downpipe with cats.
Chop off the pipes at the back of the cats.
Have adapter pipes made that connect the outlet of the cats to the 2-bolt flanges in the OEM H-pipe location.

I believe the shorties also require a 1/4" spacer under the motor mounts to clear the steering shaft.
This is exactly how I planned on doing it. As far as the cost $175.00 for shorties. If I stay with an h pipe I can get used cobra down pipes for $75.00 plus shipping or get a used magnaflow#93335 x pipe used for $250.00 I got a exaust shop up the street and got quoted $100.00 for the 4" extensions and swapping the end of my h pipe to connect the stock mufflers. Ends up being 350.00 with H set up and $525.00 with the X set up. Not too shabby ;)

[ImpalaSlayer]

If you guys want to post at least be honest with people and tell the complete story. Kooks headers require Kooks X-pipe for a total price of over $2,000 including taxes and shipping (or a complete custom pipe.)


uhhhhhh this is not true at all. i got everything i needed to make my own mid pipes from napa for around 100 bucks plus about 120 for a set of cats so i have just about 1000 bucks in my headers.



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/blaster250cr/IMG_0821.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/blaster250cr/IMG_0822.jpg

[babbage]

Dave: make me a cat back - parts I want to use is in the Gibson muffler thread!

[Brian H]

http://i.ebayimg.com/07/!B,n2REg!2k~$(KGrHqIH-DoEquSTrd+(BKsTEhrnCg~~_12.JPG

[Brian H]

A place outta AZ. alled Pacesetter. saw them on E-bay fit '96-'04 mustang. could they fit?
http://i.ebayimg.com/07/!B,n2REg!2k~$(KGrHqIH-DoEquSTrd+(BKsTEhrnCg~~_12.JPG

[musclemerc]

No! Sorry dude for long tubes you only got 2 choices Stainless Works or Kooks. The headers were talking about are 1 5/8" shorties.

[RR|Suki]

No! Sorry dude for long tubes you only got 2 choices Stainless Works or Kooks. The headers were talking about are 1 5/8" shorties.

Incorrect, I don't have SW or Kooks :P

[Phrog_gunner]

uhhhhhh this is not true at all. i got everything i needed to make my own mid pipes from napa for around 100 bucks plus about 120 for a set of cats so i have just about 1000 bucks in my headers.



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/blaster250cr/IMG_0821.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/blaster250cr/IMG_0822.jpg

Looks to me like your pipes are missing the bung hole??

[musclemerc]

The what are you working with RR Suki?

[Kennyrauder]

Save yourself alot of trouble !!! Kooks are great but I shudder when I have to change my cranking motor ( starter ) Sorry but that is the right terminology. I will have to drop the right side header to accomplish this feat!!! WAHHH !!!!

[RR|Suki]

The what are you working with RR Suki?

I have a set by american racing headers with 1 3/4" primaries and 3" collectors

[musclemerc]

I have a set by american racing headers with 1 3/4" primaries and 3" collectors
How much work to make those fit?

[RR|Suki]

How much work to make those fit?

takes some steering shaft massaging and grinding, not really a huge deal. Putting a spacer on the motor mounts might have worked fine, but I didn't want to do that. The new power curve made it all worth it though

[FordNut]

Save yourself alot of trouble !!! Kooks are great but I shudder when I have to change my cranking motor ( starter ) Sorry but that is the right terminology. I will have to drop the right side header to accomplish this feat!!! WAHHH !!!!

With Kooks my starter will come out without pulling the header.

[LANDY]

With Kooks my starter will come out without pulling the header.
mine too, also i had complete clearance on the steering saft, other members have to take out the selinoid first, then the starter.

[cougar9150]

You don't have to pull the header. When I am putting my car back together I will take some pics of me removing/installing the starter. Like it was said above I have to pull the starter solenoid for clearance but can get it out without removing the header. Got it down to where it takes about 20-30 minutes in and out. Other have the luck and clearance but mine had steering shaft, fuel line, and starter clearance issues.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i think i must have the *****yest pair of kooks made. my starter is a complete sob to remove, and even with adjusting the column and gringing as much as i care to off the shaft i hardly have a 1/16th of clearence.

[musclemerc]

i think i must have the *****yest pair of kooks made. my starter is a complete sob to remove, and even with adjusting the column and gringing as much as i care to off the shaft i hardly have a 1/16th of clearence.
Have you considered putting spacers on the DS motor mount?

[ImpalaSlayer]

Have you considered putting spacers on the DS motor mount?


nah i have clearance now so im not worried about it. i would go stainless works next time, i have herd much less about crappy fitting headers.

[DOOM]

With a egr delete will i throw a code?

No egr tube on my car. The exhaust fumes will kill you though. :D