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BISHOPSS95
11-12-2002, 03:27 PM
I don't think so. If the major mags can't get them under 15 sec with a pro driver and controled enviroment. How can you with no mods. I was realy looking for one to run at SSHS2 but only one (thank you Wayne) showed. I guess it realy is a dream but untill I see one run for myself I will continue to question the validity of a stock sub 15sec run. Untill SSHS3 I hope someone will run.

cutt
11-12-2002, 04:26 PM
i have 2 high 14 sec passes under my belt.14.84 and 14.77 both at 95mph.i have no reason to lie.i was probably the first person at the track with a MM.it went 15.90 with 200 miles on and has gradually gotten faster as it gets broken in. it is bone stock! as far as the magazine drivers they drive like punks. how can you expect them to drive to the full potential of the car without spending much time in it.thats like me telling you i can drive your car better than you on my first time driving it.then we never know how many miles are on there test vehicle.i'm sure all the MM owners can verify that these cars wont run until about 3000 miles on them.mine has actually gotten louder since i bought it with no other changes.what did a SS run bone stock,with your mods its only 1 or 2 tenths faster the MM bone stock.

b4z
11-12-2002, 05:00 PM
Are you running 4.10s?

BISHOPSS95
11-12-2002, 05:07 PM
I never got to run my SS bone stock (wife never had the bug and it is her car). But I have seen stock SS's run in the low 15's never 14's. My point is the Marauder is slower than the SS. Everyone points this out in this and other forums. But with the big merc in the 14's, it would not only be faster than the SS but MUCH faster than the SS. Is this true? Could we all be wrong?

BTW my E/T is now 14.72 at SSHS2

SSMOKEM
11-12-2002, 05:10 PM
Hey Cutt,

My SS ran a 15.58 @ 89.65 bone stock, back in 1996 in my first run at the track. I was so disappointed I immediately began modding and didn't return to the track until the following year :)

On the same day, my buddy ran a 15.1x 1st time out. Go figure.......

In the meanwhile, I hope to meet a Marauder in the Daytona area soon. :cool:

cutt
11-12-2002, 05:20 PM
i'm not running 4.10s.i'm all stock.not even a filter.the numbers dont lie MMs are faster than SSs at least in stock form or a lightly modded SS.:D

Smokie
11-12-2002, 05:22 PM
I haven't personally had my MM. timed, so all I can say is that today it's faster than when I bought it. When you post you are running 14.7's I take you at your word; when Cutt says he ran 14.7's stock I also take him at his word. If I am to assume that a man's word on this forum is bogus, then we are all wasting each others time with lies, A man's word is all we have here; and until proven to be a liar I choose to believe you and Cutt.

cutt
11-12-2002, 06:09 PM
if memory servs i was the first to voice my dissapointment with the MM when i first went to track with it. so i have no reason to lie.the car . is that much faster with miles on it and now it is very impressive. since no one on this site has posted times with the chip&gears i hope to be the first to post 14.50 or better!

tetsu
11-12-2002, 06:45 PM
I am bone stock and ran 14.84 at 95.01 mph. I had three runs: 14.89, 15.12 and 14.84. Oh yeah. I have timeslips to back these up too.

I think that alot of SS people really do believe there cars are alot faster than they are because they can shred tires off the line. Bone stock the Marauder seems to be about equal in the 1/4 mile to a stock SS. However, if u stretch that track out a little the Marauder waves bye bye to a stock SS.

As things are starting to pan out, it seems the Marauder is going to be a very good platform to mod.

I'm looking forward to a few mods to get it down in the low 14s.

RCSignals
11-12-2002, 08:26 PM
now if some of the nay saying automitive media would revisit their reviews with some of these revelations, maybe more Marauders would be selling quicker.

A little more Ford advertising wouldn't hurt either

JamesHecker
11-13-2002, 01:28 AM
With just over 6000 miles on my Marauder, I am surprised at the difference in performance from when I first got it. I couldn't get a chirp from the tires off the line without standing on the brakes when it was new. I regularly spin them off the line now. Not a screeching smoking burnout mind you, but a big difference all the same. I have also noticed the exhaust note has matured as well. Again, not enough to keep me from planning to add Flomasters, but it is louder.

b4z
11-13-2002, 05:11 AM
The numbers don't lie. The Marauder posts better times in the quarter than the SS. It is both quicker and faster.

The most notable thing is the mph. This tells us how much hp the engine is putting out. The trap speeds are quicker with the Marauder. As the should be, it has 40 more hp.

Here is a quick power to weight calculation:

Impala SS 4120lbs divided by 260 hp = 15.8lbs per hp.
Marauder 4300 lbs. divided by 300 hp = 14.3lbs per hp.

I don't deny that the SS's greater torque and where it occcurs in the rev band gives it the edge off the line.
But I would bet a broken in Marauder would be ahead of the SS at anything above 50 mph.

Wags
11-13-2002, 05:23 AM
bz4 is exactly right. My SS really killed the Marauder off the line, but as soon as you get to about 50 to 60, the Marauder really does outpull the SS. My car has really improved after a few thousand miles on it (6200). I'm not just saying this to bash Chevy. I am a die-hard Chevy person. I have had only Chevy's my whole life. This was the first Ford that I have ever bought. Chevy had nothing in this class to replace my SS. I never ran under 15 with the stock SS, however, I have run under that with the BROKEN IN Marauder. It really has improved with age.

Wags

bnvus
11-13-2002, 05:42 AM
As things are starting to pan out, it seems the Marauder is going to be a very good platform to mod.

While I tend to agree with you to a point. The big difference will be the mods. You can a long way modding out the push rod motor in the SS. Unfortunately for the Marauder, the 4.6 just is not mod friendly.

Am I wrong? We'll certainly see.

Logan
11-13-2002, 06:21 AM
My marauder is definately alot faster than it was off the floor, the motor really loosens up after 3-4000 miles...

As for mods, there are a ton of things you can do, it's all about how much scratch you've got to spend, as with anything...

SSMOKEM
11-13-2002, 06:56 AM
Hey Logan,

60,000 miles here and I do believe she's just getting broken in.....:D

MAD-3R
11-13-2002, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by SSMOKEM
Hey Cutt,

My SS ran a 15.58 @ 89.65 bone stock, back in 1996 in my first run at the track. I was so disappointed I immediately began modding and didn't return to the track until the following year :)

On the same day, my buddy ran a 15.1x 1st time out. Go figure.......

In the meanwhile, I hope to meet a Marauder in the Daytona area soon. :cool:

I was at the track Saturday, and my best was 15.304 @ 92.73 mph, and that is bone stock. I have 3400 miles, and it is get faster.

And come spring, I hope to post a sub 15 time.

cutt
11-13-2002, 07:17 AM
next time at the track cool it off with some ice on the intake for about 30 mins then run it. ther is a difference.

tetsu
11-13-2002, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by bnvus
While I tend to agree with you to a point. The big difference will be the mods. You can a long way modding out the push rod motor in the SS. Unfortunately for the Marauder, the 4.6 just is not mod friendly.

Am I wrong? We'll certainly see.

Bolt on blower and intercooler and voila you're already at nearly 400 RWHP.

I'm really starting to think that when I can afford them, I'm going to put a blower w/intercool, headers, exhaust, MMX driveshaft. If I decide I really want to race drag radials or slicks I'll put 4.10s on too.

Seems like a no brainer modwise. Don't even need a lumpy cam.

Johnny

SSMOKEM
11-13-2002, 07:27 AM
Don't even need a lumpy cam
Sorry, Tetsu, but a real hot rod needs a lumpy cam :) (or cams, in your case)

My buddy has an 8.6 second turbo buick. Sure, it's fast, but it sounds like a *****cat. I like the rumble and shake at idle....:D

Besides, I have the juice of the gods for those pesky cars that start to pass me :cool:

bnvus
11-13-2002, 07:28 AM
As for mods, there are a ton of things you can do, it's all about how much scratch you've got to spend, as with anything...

Sure it comes down to scratch. But the 4.6 will cost A LOT more to mod than a run of the mil 5.7. You can get more bang for your buck doing a build up on the push rod motor (cam vs. cams, roller rockers, and cast iron block, etc...) 450-500hp is not unconcievable. The aluminum 4.6 just won't stand up to that. Preciously why Ford went back to cast iron on the Cobra.

I can only hope that Mercury (Ford) takes this car serious and decide to go with the supercharged 4.6 also. It has all the makings of being as successful as the SS is today. Only time will tell.

Logan
11-13-2002, 08:31 AM
You won't get no argument from me. Chevy's motors have historically always been the cheapest to modify and upgrade the internals on. These mod motors are pretty complex and are expensive to tinker with...

I keep my 69 Cougar for the serious tinkering, as the marauder is my daily driver...

BISHOPSS95
11-13-2002, 08:38 AM
I am not out to call anyone a liar. Seeing is beleaving and I am disapointed that we did not have one run at SSHS2. I was looking to 'pass the torch' to the new Merc as the king of the 4 door wars. Line up a sub 15 Merc agenst a stock SS and the Merc would have won! Great fan fare would have resulted and the new king would have been crowned. Oh well, maybe SSHS3.

:(

MAD-3R
11-13-2002, 08:45 AM
I am making plans on attending SSHSO3. Just need to convince the wife.

tetsu
11-13-2002, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by SSMOKEM
Sorry, Tetsu, but a real hot rod needs a lumpy cam :) (or cams, in your case)

My buddy has an 8.6 second turbo buick. Sure, it's fast, but it sounds like a *****cat. I like the rumble and shake at idle....:D

Besides, I have the juice of the gods for those pesky cars that start to pass me :cool:

I never said "real hot rod." :) A "real hot rod" needs a lumpy cam and 420+ cid IMHO.

Our cars are great and harken back to "the day" somewhat but when I build my "real hot rod" it'll be a Chevy with a 454 or better. :)

Speaking of Go-Juice, I wonder what a good system would run for our mod 4.6?

Johnny

mtnh
11-13-2002, 11:27 AM
That said, the fact that we can achieve 25 mpg with such a car would never be possible with the "lumpy cam" cars, or the 400 cid+ engines.
We have lots to be thankful for here. And who knows, maybe we can break sub-14s when really broken in!

SSMOKEM
11-13-2002, 11:43 AM
Hey guys,

Here's what my hot rod did with the lil old stock bottom 350,
ported stock iron heads,
lumpy cam,
bolt ons,
all stock body and interior (4370lbs),
and the juice last week. :D :D

Who needs a big block????? :cool:

http://home.cfl.rr.com/cherrybomb/11677.jpg

bnvus
11-13-2002, 01:22 PM
Here's what my hot rod did with the lil old stock bottom 350,


and the juice last week

Show off!!

MAD-3R
11-13-2002, 02:50 PM
That poor slob next to you.... He had a good R/T, and you still blew his doors off... I feel for him.. :)

SSMOKEM
11-13-2002, 09:49 PM
Yeah, I blew his doors off in the first 20 feet, hehehehehehe.......

As a matter of fact, he had a C5 Vette with intake/exhaust mods. He asked me what I run and I very truthfully answered 13.1s, just forgot to tell him that was NA :) He looked at me as if to say NO WAY that grampa car could run that........

He seemed kinda peeved back in the staging lanes, I wonder why?

So far, my best MPH was 119.28. I believe I'll hit 120 this winter.

By the way, I spun like a banshee on that run, starting at the 30' mark when my 2nd stage hit and quite a bit past the 60' mark. I had 2 guys watching how my car moved. That my big project right now, how to hook!!:(

My buddy Mike also has a stock bottom 350 Impala, running a 6psi Powerdyne and a 100 shot. He ran an 11.45 with a 1.57 60' time at the Shootout last week. Now he HOOKED. He's thinking about putting on a 150 shot!!!!

Buford
11-19-2002, 11:40 PM
There is a rumor, no one could prove, that Ford detuned the V8SHO chip for the first 10k, In any event after 10k the car became a lot faster.

The V8 SHO lives for cold air, first 30-40 degree night you drive the increase in torque and HP is easily detectable by any one’s butt-dyno.

Is the MM the same way?

tinian_1
11-20-2002, 12:21 AM
Back when I was lloking at SHOs, I knew a ford mechanic. He said the exact same thing, that the engine was programmed to change the engine controls after several thousand miles. He said they had to tell many dissatisfied customers to keep driving it for a while to let it come alive.

I almost bought a 99 SHO, solid black, since it was heavily discounted. The deal breaker was the fact that I could barely fit in the passenger or driver's seat. That engine was absolutely beautiful.

Buford
11-20-2002, 12:37 AM
directions on how to move the drivers seat back 1.25"

http://v8sho.com/SHO/Increasing_Drivers_Legroom.htm

For dummy tests they covered the elec seat worm screw with a sleeve to limit seat travel. (Tests are in mid position - dummies don't care)

Seat in the MM may also be easy to increase. I am 6"1' and sit like a king, cept with Simpson skid lid.

Tom Kuznicki
11-23-2002, 02:46 PM
I came on once and stated that my Marauder was slow, 15.34 @ 92.00, with 1500 miles on the ticker. now, with 11000 miles the ET went from 15.34 to a blistering 15.28 @ 93.00. I will repeat this, THE CAR IS SLOW. I also own a 1999 Lightning that has run a best of 12.84 @ 105 so I believe I am not just some schmuck that never went down a dragstrip. Times don't lie

Logan
11-23-2002, 05:35 PM
I hear ya Tom...Being a fellow Lightning owner, Marauder certainly doesn't compare speed wise. With current mods, excluding a blower & Nitrous, breaking into the 13's is a chore in itself...

tetsu
11-24-2002, 06:36 AM
If we were out for wicked fast off the showroom floor we would've spend our pennies on a Cobra instead.

Johnny

helifool
11-24-2002, 06:47 AM
If you want fast, buy a viper. I sold my 99 RT/10 after 3 years with only 4500 miles. Why??? Not practical for anything except going very fast and attracting cops.