KB dead pedal

[RAUDER]

I installed the KB dead pedal and now my left leg sits up too high...I'm 6'4".....any suggestions?

I noticed some of you guys have a modified dead pedal.

Thanks
Rauder

[jgc61sr2002]

Check with MartyO, he had his pedal modified.

[TAF]

Rauder,

Basically...for taller fellas...the dead pedal as it comes is too far forward as you've now noticed. By cutting it where it meets the side bracket and moving it 1 1/2"-2"...it will then be at the same "depth" as the accelerator. This can be done, but it needs to then be re-welded to the side bracket. Mine is done this way.

For more specific (and better) details...PM Fordnut.

[TripleTransAm]

So what is the ideal height to be for the KB pedal as it comes?

[SouLRioT]

I'm 5'10" and stock position feels good to me.

[TAF]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
So what is the ideal height to be for the KB pedal as it comes?

It's a personal preference thing Steve...I wanted both feet to be at the same distance and when I sat in someone's who had it in the "as it comes" position...I felt my left leg was a little...I don't know...more towards me, bent, etc. With the mod to it, both feet are at equal distance on the accelerator and the dead pedal...unless at WOT.:burnout:

[TripleTransAm]

Thanks Todd... I figured it'd be easier to mod the KB pedal than my own height (and probably less messy). I'm *really* interested in getting this dead pedal soon... damned soon.

By the way, congrats on being back in the saddle again.

[RAUDER]

thanks todd...I will PM FordNut

[STLThunder]

You could also have your left leg shortened a little! :lol:

[muslhed]

Sorry I have to ask a somewhat ignorant question, but where do you go on the internet to buy this "dead pedal"? KB's site doesn't show it. I'd certainly like to have one.

[SergntMac]

Kevin or David will help you, tell them you're from the site.

[flescher]

I made a dead pedal out of .060 Aluminum. Basically a "U" with a flat surface at the bottom of the U and small ears on the other sides. I attached it to trhe floor mat with safety wire, but any wire or thread will do. This allowed me to adjust the height to my liking by changing the lenth of the legs of the U. It alsop didn't require drilling holes, and it comes out with the mat for cleaning. Only a vise and shears needed. Less professional looking indeed, but more functionally fitted. Besides, who sticks their head down there.
H

[gdmjoe]

Since we're on the topic of dead pedals .....

Could someone please post a pic' of the Kenny Brown part not installed. A copy of any instructions and/or diagrams would be nice too.

Reason - Have a Ford Motorsport dead pedal ( M-61120-A )

http://bellsouthpwp.net/g/d/gdmjoe/DeadPedal.jpg

However, need an idea for fabricating a bracket that bolts to the hood-release mount beneath the kick-panel. The panther-body doesn't have much meat back there for places to bolt to.

*Note - The M-61120 was standard issue on the 1984-86 SVO Mustangs and the part was a Ford Motorsport offering until the mid'90s. Put 'em in all my vehicles ( '84 T'bird, '86 Mustang, '87 Ranger, etc. ).

[dwasson]

How solid is the dead pedal? Can you really push on it to stay in place in hard cornering?

Flesher, would you upload a photo your custom pedal?

[Lidio]

I have the KB dead pedal installed on my MM and I love it.
I'm 5'10" and its perfect for me plus it really fills a void. It quite solid too when really leaning on it!!

[martyo]

How solid is the dead pedal? Can you really push on it to stay in place in hard cornering?

Flesher, would you upload a photo your custom pedal?Dan:

Let's put it this way, the pedal holds up under the weight of Todd and his size 13s.

[TAF]

Dan:

Let's put it this way, the pedal holds up under the wieght of Todd and his size 13s.
i before e, except after c...or as sounded as a...as in neighbor and weigh...;)

[JohnE]

I'm 6'1" and think the dead pedal is mounted too high too. Although, I've gotten used to it now. Wish KB included 2 sets of mounting nuts on the backing plate. A lower mount wouldn't block the parking brake as much also. Still a huge improvement in driving the car both performance and cruising long dist.

[SergntMac]

Could someone please post a pic' of the Kenny Brown part not installed. A copy of any instructions and/or diagrams would be nice too.

If you don't get any satisfaction here, Joe, remember that Kenny is a supporting vendor with his own forum. Make a post there, or give them a call at 317.247.5320, I am sure Kevin, David or Rich will help you out.

[frdwrnch]

A friend of mine specializes in safety systems for drag cars, cup cars, and other pro racing vehicles. He brought up an interesting tidbit while watching me fabricate my dead pedal. Do not make the mount too rigid! In case of an accident, we tend to tense up before impact. A rigid mount will conduct the energy from the decelleration straight up the lower leg bone. This will tend to crack the bone diagonally up the length of the bone,making for a long fracture which will be difficult to heal.Make sure the material of the mounting bracket is thin enough or Z shaped to absorb some of this energy. Made sense to me.

[Marauderman]

A friend of mine specializes in safety systems for drag cars, cup cars, and other pro racing vehicles. He brought up an interesting tidbit while watching me fabricate my dead pedal. Do not make the mount too rigid! In case of an accident, we tend to tense up before impact. A rigid mount will conduct the energy from the decelleration straight up the lower leg bone. This will tend to crack the bone diagonally up the length of the bone,making for a long fracture which will be difficult to heal.Make sure the material of the mounting bracket is thin enough or Z shaped to absorb some of this energy. Made sense to me.

I didn't know you had a dead pedal!! WoW--You know I'm interested...Make sure we discuss this at our meet--( note to self--please bring new x-mas digital camera).Tom

[flescher]

I assume that this was intended for me of the homemade pedal. It is how I hold myself in the seat. I'm a sprtscar racer and like the twisties better then the straights. I'll try to do s picture this week.
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Dan:

Let's put it this way, the pedal holds up under the weight of Todd and his size 13s.

[jgc61sr2002]

I assume that this was intended for me of the homemade pedal. It is how I hold myself in the seat. I'm a sprtscar racer and like the twisties better then the straights. I'll try to do s picture this week.
H
I don't think so.

[flescher]

For whoever asked, here is a photo on my home-made and therefore infinitely adjustable dead pedal.

[kbmg]

Hello All,
My name is David and I work for KB. I hope I can help clear up a few things about the Dead Pedal.

The Dead Pedal was developed by Kenny when he sold his Mustang and started driving his P2 Crown Vic. Being from a sports car racing heritage, he missed having a place to properly support his left foot while driving the sedan. As you know it's a long reach to the fire wall and there is a lot of space to the left of the brake.

The part is a universal fit for the car. I am 6'3" and Kenny is about 5'9", I can't even get in the car after he drives and he looks like a little kid in there after I drive with the seat ajusted to our preferences.

I have gotten so used to the piece that I don't feel comfortable driving a Marauder or Crown Vic without one. It keeps you supported and balanced.
If you're a taller driver, the pedal can be modified by redrilling the holes to move forward in the car (away from the driver) about 1.5".

Thank you.

[Black 04]

Does anyone have a picture of the dead pedal installed?

[TAF]

David,


Please check your PMs.:up:

[kbmg]

http://www.kennybrown.com/images/jpegs/58100.jpg

Here is a pic of the Dead Pedal installed.

[TAF]

Thereyago^^^


In my opinion, there should not be a SINGLE Marauder without this!!!

A mod even for the "Warrantee concerned" among you.

[SergntMac]

For whoever asked, here is a photo on my home-made and therefore infinitely adjustable dead pedal.

Okay, let me get this straight. The Kenny Brown dead pedal is bolted to the bulkhead of the vehicle and costs around 75 bucks. It's rubber coated to prevent slip. It will support the full weight of any drive who can fit into the car. It will support perhaps hundreds of pounds in additional weight and pressure when the driver locks himself into his seat while controlling the car in hard cornering, or, stabilizing an out of control vehicle. I do not ignore it's comfort features in casual driving, I wish I had one in ever car I drive.

This home-crafted dead pedal costs considerably less, and it's sewn to the floor mat, have I got this right? Adjustable? Oh yeah, fully adjustable and in infinite directions, all you need to do is slip the floor mat into place. Just don't let it slip behind the brake pedal.

I admire you intent to be creative, flescher, but a well designed dead pedal is not a just a foot rest. It's an important vehicle modification with great value, both in safety and performance. Attaching your dead pedal in the manner you have could be outright dangerous in an emergency, I hope you don't let others drive on it without some caution about that. If it feels that good to you, bolt or braise it into place.

Maybe you should take the 69 bucks you saved and up your auto insurance medical coverage?

One more thing for y'all to think about. A good driver's position is one where the knees (and elbows) remain bent and unlocked. You may fracture a leg bone in a hard impact, but better your ankle than your hip, yes?

Just my .02c...

[Black 04]

cool...thanks for the picture

[flescher]

Well let's see. I'll ignore the nasty comments since I don't know your knowledge level or abilities. Nor do I understand where you got that attitiude today. I'll just address the issues.
First, I was simply offering an alternative to other members of this forum. Some people don't always like what's available and have the ability/knowledge to do it them selves.
I'm not entirely ignorant. I've raced sportscars since 1962. I was national champion in my class in 1995 but only finished second in the national championships this past year (BOOHOO). I build/prepare my own car and race perhaps 7 weekends a year in the east; FL to NY to OH. In Jan 04 I finished first at the Moroso National, and set new lap records at both Sebring and Moroso this past month. Not a beginner.
Yes the pedal is sewn to the floormat, which is held in place by both friction AND a locating pin (which your car has also). It cannot slip behind the brake pedal. To fab you simply bend a piece of Aluminum to the right dimensions for you, drill holes in the flanges and sew it on. Not "profewssional" looking but it works, which is most important to me.
I used blocks of wood to determine the height/positioning I wanted and did a simple fab. I chose to make it removable so I didn't have to cut the floormat for fit, but one could also screw/rivet it in place easily. There is no sideways force on it anyway if you position it properly in front of you. I had some T6 (hardened) Aluminum around in an appropriate thickness (I think .060) which is what I used. I forceably tested it upon installation, and had the car sufficiently sideways once that I know it works. I have also modified the drivers seatbelt system so that one can tighten the driver's belt up sufficiently to be the primary restraint during manuvering. I don't rely solely on any dead pedal for restraint. THAT would be foolish. Dead pedals are for comfort, positioning and to enable one to restrain their otherwise loose leg.
That belt issue was one of the most irksome thing about the Marauder, and I wrote Ford on it. Never got an answer though. I though about trying to adapt the passenger's ratcheting belt mechanism for the driver, but never got around to it. Just sewed a loop of belt leather right at the buckle to draw both sides of the belt together to prevent slipage. If someone has a better solution to this I'd love to buy it.
My dead pedal is not trying to take any business away from anyone, just doing what I think works best for me.
I saw a picture of the KB pedal before I built this. I didn't like the cantilevered design because it didn't look strong enough, it appeared to me that the pedal would not suite my 6'1" frame and the extended driving position I like, and it was too far to the left for me since I do left foot braking all of the time (which I also do in my race car with a Hewland type gearbox). I don't know if these impression of the KB pedals are accurate or not. I just built what I wanted.
Oh, and no one drives my cars except my wife or me. Period.

H

[Marauder]

http://www.kennybrown.com/images/jpegs/58100.jpg

Here is a pic of the Dead Pedal installed.
Is it me or does that pedal "LOOK" a bit weak/flimsy? Judging by other's opinions, it is solid. I guess looks can be decieving. :D

[TAF]

Is it me or does that pedal "LOOK" a bit weak/flimsy? Judging by other's opinions, it is solid. I guess looks can be decieving. :D
Pictures don't do it justice...I felt the same thing when I first saw this pic a year and a half ago. Believe me...I'm 6' 2"/265 lbs (yes...before 1/1/04 it was 280) and you've got NOTHING to be concerned with. It's SOLID!

[kbmg]

Is it me or does that pedal "LOOK" a bit weak/flimsy? Judging by other's opinions, it is solid. I guess looks can be decieving. :D


Just to clarify,

The Dead Pedal is bolted to a mounting bracket that is located behind the kickpanel. The mounting bracket is bolted to the steel structural body support so it is solidly installed.

It doesn't mount onto the plastic kick panel, rather through it to the structural part of the car.

I'm 6'3", 220#'s and I can put all of my weight on it.

Please call me with any Q's
Kenny Brown Performance
David Frey (317) 247-5320 x224

[SergntMac]

Well now, flescher, you go...Best of luck to you too my friend, and with your design too.

I looked at your history and your accomplishments, and I am impressed. You have achieved a lot in your years, done some stuff yourself, yes? Designing/building a genuine dead pedal is not among them, and it's still not that.

Any foot rest not attached to the frame, floor pan, or, bulkhead, is just a foot rest, and any foot rest can cause us severe injury. Your design cannot sustain the weight X 2 of any driver who can fit into a MM.

Any "fixed" feature attached to a movable surface is not a feature to us. Just ask the driver who's under pressure, where he would like his dead pedal to be, and how it should feel under his/her foot. Genuine dead pedals exceed their expectations, your design exceeds my definition of responsible advice.

Thank you for your input, flescher, you are a creative mind we like to have on board here. Your suggestion IS innovative, but not practical in application. I have a genuine dead pedal in my MM, many others here also have that. Obviously, you do not.

I did not intend to offend you, but when you go against the grain of what works and what does not, expect a wake up call. Maybe I gave you a slap, maybe not. Either way, you need to better understand what we have to deal with, as MM owners.

BTW, I'm not usually thought of as overly harsh or too mean, most here know how to take me. I am who I am. I do not apologize for that. I speak from my heart, not my brain. When I do offend, I am quick to fix it, this is not one of those times.

Stick around, please? You will see how things go here, how your input will be valuable to us. You will fit in, I am sure. I do appreciate your innoivative thinking. That said, pass me over and post more again. You will be embraced by others, I am sure. I will be offering my input too.

[woaface]

The part is a universal fit for the car. I am 6'3" and Kenny is about 5'9", I can't even get in the car after he drives and he looks like a little kid in there after I drive with the seat ajusted to our preferences.
Gah! Sounds just like my dad and me! He's 6'3 and I'm 5'7/5'8:D

[SergntMac]

Gah! Sounds just like my dad and me! He's 6'3 and I'm 5'7/5'8:D
I worry for your dad, and not because of his size...

[bigslim]

flecher, I don't want to start any trouble here but I have to say it that I agree with Mac. I had a T-Bird some years ago and it too had a mat held in place by a loop and a catch. After one winter the mat became worn and shifted off the hook. It then became lodged under the accelerator pedal and scared the "sh-t" out of me. I would hate to see what happens if this got stuck under the pedal. If it works for you that is great but I would look for another idea.

[flescher]

I don't think you are overly harsh. There are lots of ways to solve problems, and there isn't any best way for everyone. You obviously haven't modified your seatbelt so that it holds you firmly in the seat. Ergo you need something to stomp on with all your weight to do so. I left foot brake and have seat belts that hold me in. I need a place to rest my foot. Fix your belts and you could use my solution. Oh, fixing your belts is the real solution, by the way. Not a block of steel on which to put your whole weight to keep you in your seat.
Open your mind and smell the ideas!
H



Well now, flescher, you go...Best of luck to you too my friend, and with your design too.

I looked at your history and your accomplishments, and I am impressed. You have achieved a lot in your years, done some stuff yourself, yes? Designing/building a genuine dead pedal is not among them, and it's still not that.

Any foot rest not attached to the frame, floor pan, or, bulkhead, is just a foot rest, and any foot rest can cause us severe injury. Your design cannot sustain the weight X 2 of any driver who can fit into a MM.

Any "fixed" feature attached to a movable surface is not a feature to us. Just ask the driver who's under pressure, where he would like his dead pedal to be, and how it should feel under his/her foot. Genuine dead pedals exceed their expectations, your design exceeds my definition of responsible advice.

Thank you for your input, flescher, you are a creative mind we like to have on board here. Your suggestion IS innovative, but not practical in application. I have a genuine dead pedal in my MM, many others here also have that. Obviously, you do not.

I did not intend to offend you, but when you go against the grain of what works and what does not, expect a wake up call. Maybe I gave you a slap, maybe not. Either way, you need to better understand what we have to deal with, as MM owners.

BTW, I'm not usually thought of as overly harsh or too mean, most here know how to take me. I am who I am. I do not apologize for that. I speak from my heart, not my brain. When I do offend, I am quick to fix it, this is not one of those times.

Stick around, please? You will see how things go here, how your input will be valuable to us. You will fit in, I am sure. I do appreciate your innoivative thinking. That said, pass me over and post more again. You will be embraced by others, I am sure. I will be offering my input too.

[woaface]

I worry for your dad, and not because of his size...Yeah...I don't get it.

[LincMercLover]

Warning #1, play nice...

I can attest that the KB Dead Pedal is very solid and most comfortable from driving Todd and Marty's cars in TX. It just felt... natural. I didn't ever realize I had my foot on it until Todd said something! It is a very nice mod, why I haven't done it, I dunno... I guess mostly because I don't really think it's the best looking thing in the world... Let's face it, the floor pan is not designed to have a dead pedal like a Mustang, Camaro, etc... and the only way to really have this dead pedal is to mount it to the side frame of the cabin, which is what KB has done. That and I have a tendency to rest my left leg cocked upward with my knee somewhat against the door. Is this safe? Probably not... but it's comfortable for me. So, whatever works, right? I suppose a floor pan dead pedal can be modded in, but it would probably bulge the carpet so much that it wouldn't work without a new piece.

Anyway, point of my post, let's not mud sling over this. There's already plenty of write-ups about this in the archives. All you gotta do is SEARCH! So, I have no problem with closing this thread down when I know there's another one can refer to.