mach 1 brakes and an mm

[ImpalaSlayer]

here you go guys, our boy has done it again! start looking for mach brakes!

http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=862447#post86 2447

[DOOM]

http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=862447#post86 2447

dam davey you beat me to it!

[DOOM]

Oh well I already have the wilwoods.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Oh well I already have the wilwoods.


yeah, my baer rotors are warped, aftermarket junk.

[DOOM]

yeah, my baer rotors are warped, aftermarket junk.

Aren't those the same as corvette rotors??? :confused:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Aren't those the same as corvette rotors??? :confused:


no, thats the caliper.

[DOOM]

Well lots of people have complianed about Baer rotors warping.

I think DEFYANT had problems with 2 sets! :banghead:

One of my main reasons for going with the wilwoods.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i just got off the phone with Zack and he said fordnut has a set that hasnt had any problems. ill have to ask him about them.

[justbob]

Might just have to put my new MIG to use finally!

[Black Dynamite]

Wow, that's cool. Talk about savings too! I guess I'm a little surprised that the Mach1 had better brakes than an MM. Seems to me that they'd put the bigger brakes on the heavier car as well.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Wow, that's cool. Talk about savings too! I guess I'm a little surprised that the Mach1 had better brakes than an MM. Seems to me that they'd put the bigger brakes on the heavier car as well.

one would think. the mach brakes measure 13 inch's. same as the willwoods. the baers are 14s but are know for warping and cost 1000 dollars more.

[MCAT]

sorry but if any one I know would HACK up their car like that I would have them committed, again i'm sorry not trying to start a pissing match, but based on the pictures alone_HACK JOB_

go ahead & flame on :flamer:just my 2 cents.

[musclemerc]

Whats the piston count on the front calipers?

[ImpalaSlayer]

Whats the piston count on the front calipers?


2 just like the baers.

[Mr. Man]

sorry but if any one I know would HACK up their car like that I would have them committed, again i'm sorry not trying to start a pissing match, but based on the pictures alone_HACK JOB_

go ahead & flame on :flamer:just my 2 cents.

I see your point here but I'm sure Zack has extra parts around in case he needs to change back to OEM.

[guspech750]

Thats awesome. Are the Mach 1 brakes the same as the Cobra brakes? I just like how the Cobra brake says "Cobra"

[ImpalaSlayer]

Thats awesome. Are the Mach 1 brakes the same as the Cobra brakes? I just like how the Cobra brake says "Cobra"

identical other then the "cobra"

[RoyLPita]

Anyone here want to buy a set of Cobra calipers? I have a set to sell and that is no :bs:.

[TAKEDOWN]

... always coming up with something new! Can't wait to hear about the final results, patiently waiting.

[-Matt-]

we need him back

[Marauderman]

i just got off the phone with Zack and he said fordnut has a set that hasnt had any problems. ill have to ask him about them.

.....like Fordnut.....my set is and has been fine , and now with over 35k on them--only had to have them turned once --about 3 -4 month ago--all is fine like new

[magindat]

I'm right in the middle of all this.
1) Can't/Won't afford the wilwoods or baer kit.
2) Hate brake dust.
3) Recognize the need for better braking.

Went with Baer Decella rotors all the way around with Napa Ceramix pads.
No I can't stop like some, but it was an improvement. The rotors have lasted 75K and are still going. On my second set of pads.

They look great, run quiet, make little to no dust and stop a bit better.

I feel safe without having changed the OEM mountings and so forth, and better with higher performance consumable parts.

I admire and encourage Zack's innovation and resourcefulness! Wish he was back.

[a_d_a_m]

Interesting project, but I apparently drive really slowly (or I have a screw loose)...because the OE brakes seem overly sufficient to me!

[BigCars4Ever]

I'm just a little concerned with the hex spacers welded to the bracket. Welding cast iron is a b!tch. I would have a certified welder handle that part for me if I were doing this. Otherwise this is a great idea! I'm off to ebay now.

[blazen71]

I would guess that the brackets are cast steel. And yes, he better hope the welds are good!!!! Good effort though.

[Spectragod]

I'll just stick with my Wilwoods. Modding a car isn't cheap, and brakes is one area you don't want to chance anything to fail, i.e. your weld broke when you stomped on the brakes to try and miss that family of 12 in front of you.

If I ever go to one of the meets, I'll make sure I am behind everyone that has compromised their braking/stopping abilitiies.

Flame suit on................

[Marauderman]

...because the OE brakes seem overly sufficient to me!

and they should based on your sig info for your cars performance/speed......until you get more power to the rear.

Upgrading the brakes is about mandatory once you go pass , oh say, 300 RWHP. I up graded mine when I hit 330 ...The OEM's just couldn't do it for me at that point.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Interesting project, but I apparently drive really slowly (or I have a screw loose)...because the OE brakes seem overly sufficient to me!

not trying to flame you in anyway but you would not say the same thing if you drove a car with a BBK

[justbob]

Some of you really need to learn what a MOCK UP is. This is how things get made. He might even go thru four more designs on different cradles before he's happy. Be glad that he is atleast trying to help and provide good wright ups. Unbelievable:shake:

[CBT]

Some of you really need to learn what a MOCK UP is. This is how things get made. He might even go thru four more designs on different cradles before he's happy. Be glad that he is atleast trying to help and provide good wright ups.

I don't like your attitude, mister.

[252life]

Might just have to put my new MIG to use finally!


You need to stick weld it, MIG is nod gonna have enough penetration in that thick material.

[SC Cheesehead]

sorry but if any one I know would HACK up their car like that I would have them committed, again i'm sorry not trying to start a pissing match, but based on the pictures alone_HACK JOB_

go ahead & flame on :flamer:just my 2 cents.

This is in the experimental stage, what do you expect for field engineering work? If you know Zack (which isn't likely, based on your comments) you'd know that he doesn't do hack jobs. Once he gets something to work, he'll go back and fix it up nice and pretty for the final application.



I see your point here but I'm sure Zack has extra parts around in case he needs to change back to OEM.

^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^

[RR|Suki]

i just got off the phone with Zack and he said fordnut has a set that hasnt had any problems. ill have to ask him about them.

Tried that, ordered a set of rotors from them 2 years ago now... still haven't seen em.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Tried that, ordered a set of rotors from them 2 years ago now... still haven't seen em.
damnnit, any other options?

[RR|Suki]

damnnit, any other options?

Beats me, I haven't been terribly motivated since I'm on the original Baer rotors, and I've never had any warping. What I do have is the cracks at the drill holes. However, mine are just little superficial things, so I haven't been too concerned. I'm still going to keep trying to get some from DBA, they look pretty sweet. Maybe I'll just start bugging them again in the spring.

[MCAT]

I thought some one with Baer brakes replaced their rotors with some from DBA (still used the Baer hats) though I do not remember reading about how they worked out:dunno:???

[RR|Suki]

I thought some one with Baer brakes replaced their rotors with some from DBA (still used the Baer hats) though I do not remember reading about how they worked out:dunno:???

That's what we were talking about above

[Vortech347]

BTw, Bullitt, Cobra, and Mach calipers are all the SAME.

Honestly I don't see that swap being much of a benefit. Those brakes were intended to stop a 3500lb mustang, NOT a 4500lb sedan. Its gona cook the hell out of the tiny cobra pads and warp the rotors fast.

[ts-pa]

Kudos to Zack for thinking outside of the box.

The way that he has the hex parts trapped by the bracket, I'd be willing to bet that the brakes would work even if those parts were only tack welded in place. So I don't think that it is that big of a risk as some have implied.

[DOOM]

not gonna have enough penetration in that thick material.

WOW!!! :eek:

CBT & Phrog must be off today. :lol:

[justbob]

You need to stick weld it, MIG is nod gonna have enough penetration in that thick material.
I should have clarified for mock up to hand off to the real welder. I would never trust my welds on brakes.:(

[FordNut]

I thought some one with Baer brakes replaced their rotors with some from DBA (still used the Baer hats) though I do not remember reading about how they worked out:dunno:???

They're still working fine. You do have to frequently call and remind them, but they will eventually get them here.

[CBT]

WOW!!! :eek:

CBT & Phrog must be off today. :lol:

lol, been doin homework online all day

[Drewstang]

I personally think this is a great idea and I'm glad to see someone think outside the box. Zack has enough common sense to tell if a weld is going to hold or not, and I'm sure he wouldn't hesitate to take these brackets to a welder if he felt they needed it. These brackets are not very think and could be welded by any 110v mig welder if preheated.

I can't wait for my new brakes to get here. :D

[Vortech347]

If you want good brakes put together a package similar to whats on a Mercedes or BMW Sedan. Go look at their brakes. Our brakes are like schwin brakes compared to them.

If you plan on doing an upgrade that will work enough for any type of track the use of 13" ain't gona cut it. Its barley enough on a mustang, even my 3200lb fox.

My suggestion is either getting the 2000 R's to fit or the GT500 stuff to fit.

[ts-pa]

...My suggestion is either getting the 2000 R's to fit or the GT500 stuff to fit.

What are the front and rear rotor sizes on the 2010 GT500?

[Vortech347]

14" front. The rear's are the same as the GT's but are still alot larger than the MM's.

[ctrlraven]

Dave, make a spare set for me lol

[cougar9150]

First mods after the Eaton swap is finished. I will probably even take a trip to Chi-town and have it all done in the same weekend by the innovator himself. Road trip will be twice as fun with boost on the way back.

[BigCars4Ever]

Been doing some reading and a lot of the off-road guys weld cast steel suspension parts together all day long then beat the tar out of them. It seems high silicon mig wire is the trick to welding cast steel to mild steel. I still would have a pro weld it but it appears it can be done more safely than I thought.

[RF Overlord]

Say what you will about Zack, but I have the highest regard for his technical skills. I also know that if something just isn't going to work properly, he won't pursue it. Remember the V10 into Marauder swap?

[SC Cheesehead]

Say what you will about Zack, but I have the highest regard for his technical skills. I also know that if something just isn't going to work properly, he won't pursue it. Remember the V10 into Marauder swap?

Yeah, and he actually got the car running quite well, but the V10 wasn't going to be the fire breather he was hoping it would, so he yanked it out. He could have made all kinds of :bs: about the V10, but instead told it like it was; lotsa low end oomph (which actually could have been a lot of fun :burnout:) but low revs with limited opportunity to increase due to the rotating mass. This defeated his initial intent, that being a monster motor 1/4 mile car, so he killed the project.

Straight up guy, for sure. And like you said Bob, he knows his $h*t.

[CKMustangCobra]

THIS is why I miss Zack so much.

[CBT]

THIS is why I miss Zack so much.

Sign up at chicagosvt, some baaaaad arse rides to look at/read about on there and you can read his latest project stuff. There are some really mechanically inclined people who love to tinker on these Marauders, even after 7 years, and I would love to have half their knowledge. I tip my hat to Zack and the others (here and elsewheres), and say "thank yous" for tearing stuff apart just to show us how to make them better/faster, or in some case, what NOT to do, or "save money by doing this" type threads.:beer:

[cougar9150]

Even though he is no longer a member of this sight, he always has an answer to my questions. Has never done anything but help me when I have or haven't asked.

[juno]

Any kind of less expensive brake upgrade is worth a try. The stock brakes on the MM are probably one of it's weakest areas for any kind of performance. It is sad that my SVT Focus has 12" brakes front and 11" brakes rear, stock, and weighs 1700 lbs less then the MM!!!! And those can be added to any similar mdoel year focus as a fairly inexpensive upgrade.

[ctrlraven]

Any kind of less expensive brake upgrade is worth a try. The stock brakes on the MM are probably one of it's weakest areas for any kind of performance. It is sad that my SVT Focus has 12" brakes front and 11" brakes rear, stock, and weighs 1700 lbs less then the MM!!!! And those can be added to any similar mdoel year focus as a fairly inexpensive upgrade.

Up I agree and that's why I'd be willing to give the Mach 1/Cobra brakes a chance, the OEM Mustang brake parts don't cost much more than our OEM stuff. I know I'll know justify the means to pay for a BBK especially now with not driving it as DD. A lot more options for rotors and pads with being Mustang size.

[DOOM]

Hey zack how's the project coming along?
Any updates? :D

[Mr. Man]

What he said^^^^^^^

[Zack]

The car is down the street in a neighbors garage for a while, sorry.

I did take the car out for about 5 miles before parking it.
Braking was way better than the Wildwoods and my welds held just fine.

Success in my book!

I have another set Im gonna adapt to the rear when I get done with this dang Cobra, Eaton Swap bawazir's car, convert the black MM to E85 and take a nap.

[ctrlraven]

I wish I could of waited and held out for some Mach 1 brakes but had to replace my front calipers asap. Oh well something to add to future mod list now. lol

[Gage]

I remember asking this very question about a year ago and got nailed for it! WHAT! Mustang brakes on a MM why would you do that for brake fade?

GREAT JOB Now I know it CAN be done I'm all for it!:beer:

[Zack]

I remember asking this very question about a year ago and got nailed for it! WHAT! Mustang brakes on a MM why would you do that for brake fade?

GREAT JOB Now I know it CAN be done I'm all for it!:beer:

Hey Gage, you done yet? :banana2:

[Gage]

Done shaking my head? Yes I'm done.

Done with the Conv? Nope It can't be done haven't you heard? Just playing I will this spring!