Trilogy Twin Screw Options 4 Those who Missed the Boat

[Zack]

Hey all, since the TS was discontinued, I did a little thinking.

The compressor itself is readily available from any supplier, the correct snout length is just a PM away from a TS owner, and from what I understand the rear inlet can either be modified with a new hole drilled into it or a simple adapter plate made.
On top of this, the TS compressor bolts directly to the supplied discharge plate.
I just wanted to open your eyes to these facts, and let everyone running around with a built block and the M112 know that more power is just a few phone calls away. Granted the pricing will probably be more than what Trilogy offered it for, but you'll make more money next week. :beer:

[bob6364]

now thats a valentine present :D

[joemama]

Hey all, since the TS was discontinued, I did a little thinking.

The compressor itself is readily available from any supplier, the correct snout length is just a PM away from a TS owner, and from what I understand the rear inlet can either be modified with a new hole drilled into it or a simple adapter plate made.
On top of this, the TS compressor bolts directly to the supplied discharge plate.
I just wanted to open your eyes to these facts, and let everyone running around with a built block and the M112 know that more power is just a few phone calls away. Granted the pricing will probably be more than what Trilogy offered it for, but you'll make more money next week. :beer:

This is why we missed you Zack...tons of people were looking for this type of info....(but not me...:banana2:....I already got one...:D)

[DOOM]

All i want is a solid 11sec. car.
The blower i have now should be more than capable of doing that.

[Zack]

All i want is a solid 11sec. car.
The blower i have now should be more than capable of doing that.

Yeah if you want to have 100+ octane in the tank all the time.

[Spectragod]

Hey all, since the TS was discontinued, I did a little thinking.

The compressor itself is readily available from any supplier, the correct snout length is just a PM away from a TS owner, and from what I understand the rear inlet can either be modified with a new hole drilled into it or a simple adapter plate made.
On top of this, the TS compressor bolts directly to the supplied discharge plate.
I just wanted to open your eyes to these facts, and let everyone running around with a built block and the M112 know that more power is just a few phone calls away. Granted the pricing will probably be more than what Trilogy offered it for, but you'll make more money next week. :beer:

2+k for the Lysholm based on the site that you provided last night, got a different link, or, was that a retail price?

[Drewstang]

I had my MP112 ported by Posi Performance on SVTP. I'll see where it gets me before I drop anymore money on this boat.

[DOOM]

Yeah if you want to have 100+ octane in the tank all the time.

A mid to high 11sec. car requires 100+ octane at all times !? :confused:

There are quite a few people here running those times and they dont run 100+ octane all the time.

My personal goal is 11.6 at the track. (race tune and 104 race fuel if needed)

[hotford]

why not use 93 with meth injection this is the route i'm going with when my trilogy arrives at lidio's.11 should be within grasp.

[merc]

Hey all, since the TS was discontinued, I did a little thinking.

The compressor itself is readily available from any supplier, the correct snout length is just a PM away from a TS owner, and from what I understand the rear inlet can either be modified with a new hole drilled into it or a simple adapter plate made.
On top of this, the TS compressor bolts directly to the supplied discharge plate.
I just wanted to open your eyes to these facts, and let everyone running around with a built block and the M112 know that more power is just a few phone calls away. Granted the pricing will probably be more than what Trilogy offered it for, but you'll make more money next week. :beer:

If I could find the outlet that would be the key. Also a smaller pulley would be helpful. I smell a group buy.

[RR|Suki]

A mid to high 11sec. car requires 100+ octane at all times !? :confused:

There are quite a few people here running those times and they dont run 100+ octane all the time.

My personal goal is 11.6 at the track. (race tune and 104 race fuel if needed)

who runs 11s on pump gas? I'm curious now

[hotford]

:popcorn:waiting.watching....

[DOOM]

who runs 11s on pump gas? I'm curious now

You guys are confusing what im saying!!!
I want an 11sec. car at the track!!!
RACE TUNE AND 104 RACE FUEL

NOT AT ALL TIMES!!!

I never said people run 11's on pump gas!
I said people run 11's and dont use 100+ octane 24/7

Isnt that what race tunes are for in the first place??? :confused:

[DOOM]

who runs 11s on pump gas? I'm curious now

Where in that statement you just quoted me in do i say people run 11's on pump gas??? :confused: :help:

Read it again.

There are quite a few people here running those times and they dont run 100+ octane all the time.
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This is what i said. (meaning on the street)

[RR|Suki]

You guys are confusing what im saying!!!
I want an 11sec. car at the track!!!
RACE TUNE AND 104 RACE FUEL

NOT AT ALL TIMES!!!

I never said people run 11's on pump gas!
I said people run 11's and dont use 100+ octane 24/7

Isnt that what race tunes are for in the first place??? :confused:

Dunno why the text needs to be so big. It was just a question. Your first statement was wanting an 11sec car, not an 11sec car at the track. That's what Zack was responding to.
As for me I was just curious, I happen to run the same 93 octane tune at the track and day to day. I was just wondering if people were doing that with the trilogys, or if it was hard to do or what.

[RR|Suki]

Where in that statement you just quoted me in do i say people run 11's on pump gas??? :confused: :help:

Read it again.

There are quite a few people here running those times and they dont run 100+ octane all the time.
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This is what i said. (meaning on the street)

a race gas tune car and a pump gas tune car are 2 different cars. You're looking at a good 50hp difference. So yeah they don't run the race gas tune all the time, but they also aren't running near the same power without it.
So yes if it's an 11s car that runs 11.9 it would need to run race gas all the time, because when it switches to pump gas it's no longer an 11s car.
Nothing wrong with having an 11s sometimes car, I think that's just a different conversation

[DOOM]

So yes if it's an 11s car that runs 11.9 it would need to run race gas all the time, because when it switches to pump gas it's no longer an 11s car.
Nothing wrong with having an 11s sometimes car, I think that's just a different conversation

I know 3 people that run high 11's and do not run race gas all the time.
I'll even name one.

NATEHAWK ran high 11's on a lidio street tune with 104 race fuel all other times he runs 93 octane. :up:
He never changed the tune just the fuel.
He will post shortly.
Maybe the other guys will too!

[RR|Suki]

I know 3 people that run high 11's and do not run race gas all the time.
I'll even name one.

NATEHAWK ran high 11's on a lidio street tune with 104 race fuel all other times he runs 93 octane. :up:
He never changed the tune just the fuel.
He will post shortly.
Maybe the other guys will too!

That's what I was curious about

[DOOM]

That's what I was curious about

:argue: :beer: :2thumbs:

:banana2:

[FordNut]

who runs 11s on pump gas? I'm curious now

Me.
Pump gas, street tune, street tires, fully loaded trunk. Weighed 4970 with me in it at the scales after the run.

[merc]

1.) Never raced at the track without race gas
2.) Never timed my car on the street because the State/County didn't provide timing lights
3.) Since good sixty ft. times are part of the equation it become unlikely that I could achieve solid 11 second times. Unless the State/County provides VHT on :burnout:public roads
4.) Adding 18+ degrees of timing on pump gas is rolling the dice.
5.) Out of a dig my car just spins for 11 seconds.

I guess I have a 14 second street car because I don't go over 85 mph.:banana2:, but I do have shorty headers and according to Glenn that makes me faster.

[RR|Suki]

Me.
Pump gas, street tune, street tires, fully loaded trunk. Weighed 4970 with me in it at the scales after the run.

I was wondering about people with trilogy kits, I did it on my street tune too which is why I was curious as to whether it was a difficult task with their blowers.

[DOOM]

Question answered! :rolleyes:

[Zack]

Solid 11 second car means this:
No matter where you are in the country, no matter what humidity, no matter WHAT the conditions are, you can pull to the staging lanes, make a run and never see 12's, only 11's.
...on PUMP GAS!
You arent gonna do this with a M112.

[O's Fan Rich]

I just want the hottest sex I can get... all the time.... the hell with going fast.....

ok..... I'm drinkin'

[CBT]

I just want the hottest sex I can get... all the time....
ok..... I'm drinkin'

.....sneaking in a high five......
18735

[lastdaze04]

Solid 11 second car means this:
No matter where you are in the country, no matter what humidity, no matter WHAT the conditions are, you can pull to the staging lanes, make a run and never see 12's, only 11's.
...on PUMP GAS!
You arent gonna do this with a M112.

I'm dense!!! so don't flame me... I'm just trying to understand.
This begs the questions
1. Can this be done (run 11's) with a PORTED M112? and

Because of the vast improvement and efficiancy and lower IAT's of the TVS over the M112
3. Can a TVS run 11's all day on 93 octane pump gas?????
What's your opinion ZACK???? or anyone else for that matter.......
Rick

[ntd]

I just want the hottest sex I can get... all the time.... the hell with going fast.....

ok..... I'm drinkin'
:rock: nice :rock:

[RR|Suki]

I just want the hottest sex I can get... all the time.... the hell with going fast.....

ok..... I'm drinkin'

:lol::lol: we all want that

[DOOM]

Me.
Pump gas, street tune, street tires, fully loaded trunk. Weighed 4970 with me in it at the scales after the run.

:bows: :bows: :bows:

[-Matt-]

im going to twin charge mine, vortech feeding a twin screw..... no big deal

[DOOM]

im going to twin charge mine, vortech feeding a twin screw..... no big deal

Good luck on that one buddy! :P

[ImpalaSlayer]

im going to twin charge mine, vortech feeding a twin screw..... no big deal

you might get some belt slip witht hat setup

[LANDY]

im going to twin charge mine, vortech feeding a twin screw..... no big deal
that should make 20 to 23psi and it will get you where you want, specially with your stock block .:lol:

[-Matt-]

thanks for the support guys! i knew i could count on you

[Zack]

you might get some belt slip witht hat setup


im going to twin charge mine, vortech feeding a twin screw..... no big deal


Good luck on that one buddy! :P

Actually I have the bracket to do such a thing.
One off custom piece I bought a while back.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x314/yan88gt/000_0020.jpg

[Spectragod]

I just want the hottest sex I can get... all the time.... the hell with going fast.....

ok..... I'm drinkin'

Since you can't count on that Vic going fast, you may as well do what works best for you. :D :beer:

[Zack]

I'm dense!!! so don't flame me... I'm just trying to understand.
This begs the questions
1. Can this be done (run 11's) with a PORTED M112? and

Because of the vast improvement and efficiancy and lower IAT's of the TVS over the M112
3. Can a TVS run 11's all day on 93 octane pump gas?????
What's your opinion ZACK???? or anyone else for that matter.......
Rick

All I know is this:
The only setup I ever had (that I fully tested) was my KB2.2 that made 540/470.
Ran 11.7@119 the only time I had it to the track. Thats a solid 11.4 when I worked the bugs out.

Cliff notes are his:
You need at least 530+ on 93 octane to run 11's without question...in a 4500lb car.

[-Matt-]

Actually I have the bracket to do such a thing.
One off custom piece I bought a while back.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x314/yan88gt/000_0020.jpg



Did this ever run?

[Zack]

Did you try this?

Sitting in parts storage for a rainy day. :cool:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Actually I have the bracket to do such a thing.
One off custom piece I bought a while back.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x314/yan88gt/000_0020.jpg

wow someone actually tried that?

[LANDY]

Actually I have the bracket to do such a thing.
One off custom piece I bought a while back.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x314/yan88gt/000_0020.jpg
now that looks pretty, and COMPLICATED

[-Matt-]

Sitting in parts storage for a rainy day. :cool:

Wanna put it in my car please?!?!

[-Matt-]

wow someone actually tried that?

.... and you thought i was silly!! shame on you!

[Zack]

wow someone actually tried that?

Yeah...and made an ASS LOAD of power

F1A feeding an Eaton, that mechanical sex son.

[CBT]

now that looks pretty, and COMPLICATED

Sheeeeeeyah! It looks like it'd rip a hairy hole in the space time continuum. :beer:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Yeah...and made an ASS LOAD of power

F1A feeding an Eaton, that mechanical sex son.

vid or it didnt happen! :D

[CBT]

vid or it didnt happen! :D
that's what she said

[-Matt-]

It looks like it'd rip a hairy hole in the space time continuum. :beer:

Thats what she said

[Zack]

http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13 120&stc=1&d=1256250739
http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13 121&stc=1&d=1256250773

[-Matt-]

Sell sell sell sell to meeeeeeeeeee

[ImpalaSlayer]

where in the hell did you find that?

[Zack]

where in the hell did you find that?

I am a sniper in the classifieds of Ford Forums.
Paid $120 for it!

Guy in Canada had it...

[-Matt-]

seriously, sell it to me please, i would put it to good use sir

[ImpalaSlayer]

what kind of power did it make?

[Zack]

what kind of power did it make?

I dont remember but I could email the guy.

If the Procharger was run through an intercooler first it would make silly power.

[ImpalaSlayer]

I dont remember but I could email the guy.

If the Procharger was run through an intercooler first it would make silly power.

wouldn't a compound setup using a turbo vs the centri make bigger numbers? and have less headaches?

[Zack]

wouldn't a compound setup using a turbo vs the centri make bigger numbers? and have less headaches?

Oh absolutely make more power.
Less headaches? NO

Procharger just needs the belt.
Turbo needs 9.5 miles of piping.

[-Matt-]

AAAAHHHH ME ME ME ME ME

http://latviangoatporn.com/resources/do-want-dowantdowantdowant.jpg

[ImpalaSlayer]

Oh absolutely make more power.
Less headaches? NO

Procharger just needs the belt.
Turbo needs 9.5 miles of piping.

unless it was intercooled

[ImpalaSlayer]

AAAAHHHH ME ME ME ME ME

http://latviangoatporn.com/resources/do-want-dowantdowantdowant.jpg

hahaha that pic is great.

[Zack]

Even the intercooled Procharger is way easier than the turbo.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Even the intercooled Procharger is way easier than the turbo.

interesting, that thing must make a hell of a racket with both them things spooling up

[-Matt-]

:(..............

[ImpalaSlayer]

:(..............

you can not haz!

[Zack]

Matt, I would never sell you something I havent proved/disproved myself.

Ill buy you a beer though :beer:

[-Matt-]

Matt, I would never sell you something I havent proved/disproved myself.

Ill buy you a beer though :beer:

I would take the chance, would love to give it a try. But i understand. If you ever find a way to make a clone, count me in. ;)

[RoyLPita]

Actually I have the bracket to do such a thing.
One off custom piece I bought a while back.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x314/yan88gt/000_0020.jpg

What size injectors are in this and what pulley is on each?

[FordNut]

im going to twin charge mine, vortech feeding a twin screw..... no big deal

Twin screws don't like compound boost. Tons of power but it won't last, blows the seals out of the TS.

[-Matt-]

Twin screws don't like compound boost. Tons of power but it won't last, blows the seals out of the TS.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/1257044517269.jpg

[ImpalaSlayer]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/1257044517269.jpg

omg

:drink: :rofl: :laugh:

i just swalloed my gum, thanks

[Zack]

What size injectors are in this and what pulley is on each?

I dunno! :depress:

[Themarauderguy]

Hey all, since the TS was discontinued, I did a little thinking.

The compressor itself is readily available from any supplier, the correct snout length is just a PM away from a TS owner, and from what I understand the rear inlet can either be modified with a new hole drilled into it or a simple adapter plate made.
On top of this, the TS compressor bolts directly to the supplied discharge plate.
I just wanted to open your eyes to these facts, and let everyone running around with a built block and the M112 know that more power is just a few phone calls away. Granted the pricing will probably be more than what Trilogy offered it for, but you'll make more money next week. :beer:
I know this is really old, but just wanted to know if this was still an option. I have a stock Trilogy and would like it to be a twin screw.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Lysholm is owned by Vortech, call them up and ask..post your findings.


http://www.lysholm.us/_2300ax.php

[MMBLUE]

I know this is really old, but just wanted to know if this was still an option. I have a stock Trilogy and would like it to be a twin screw.

I'm guessing you bought Courts car :confused:

[Themarauderguy]

Yes. I did:banana2:

[Bad_S55]

Holy old thread revival. Lysholm still sells blower units, but with 8 years of advancement since then, there are other companies for twin screws. Harrop in Australia is my main go to since they actually show pricing along with dimensions for snout lengths, inlets, outlets, etc.

[Themarauderguy]

Well I was looking into this since I already have a trilogy supercharger. I was wondering if still be able to get the twin-screw option and put my Trilogy and let on it. I don't know what snout length I'll need. Pretty much just Gathering info on all of it right now?

[RubberCtyRauder]

get a whipple, as far as i know, nobody tried to update their trilogy to make it a twin screw. trilogy made 12 twin screw kits. Have to contact lysholm to see if the blower is a possibility. trilogy rear elbow makes it a little unique.

[Themarauderguy]

Okay guess I'll give them a ring sometime this week and see what I can find out. thanks for the info.

[MOTOWN]

get a whipple, as far as i know, nobody tried to update their trilogy to make it a twin screw. trilogy made 12 twin screw kits. Have to contact lysholm to see if the blower is a possibility. trilogy rear elbow makes it a little unique.

A Whipple is absolutely the only way to go the Lysholm blower is far too restrictive because of the Trilogy rear elbow.

[Rick-n-Miami]

It seems to be quite alright for me...



A Whipple is absolutely the only way to go the Lysholm blower is far too restrictive because of the Trilogy rear elbow.

[Themarauderguy]

It seems to be quite alright for me...

What kind of numbers are you seeing with your twin-screw trilogy?

[RubberCtyRauder]

What kind of numbers are you seeing with your twin-screw trilogy?

it's in his signature info. plus he has a 5.3 built motor, not just a 4.6.

[Rick-n-Miami]

Correct. Those numbers are on 93 pump gas too. I haven't tuned it for 100 unleaded yet.


it's in his signature info. plus he has a 5.3 built motor, not just a 4.6.

[Joe Walsh]

Correct. Those numbers are on 93 pump gas too. I haven't tuned it for 100 unleaded yet.

604 RWHP/562 RWTQ

Good Gawd!....Imagine if you hit that beast with Methanol and a corresponding tune....:bows:....:awe:

[hotford]

get a whipple, as far as i know, nobody tried to update their trilogy to make it a twin screw. trilogy made 12 twin screw kits. Have to contact lysholm to see if the blower is a possibility. trilogy rear elbow makes it a little unique.

12?? funny I got the last one from Lidio via Jerry and he said it was # 20, i could be wrong but I do remember lidio said this is the last one Jerry had and had to gather all the items.

also the mid-plate for the twin screw is different,by-pass is bigger and in a different location,also jerry used an adapter plate to mate the Trilogy inlet to the twin screw....
I'm sure Jerry could pipe in and school us to what is different.

its a cool kit but I would just go get a 2.9 whipple and convert to pass side inlet, or by the mid-plate from cobra engineering and use a 2.9 whipple for a shelby and inlet will stay on the same side......

[hotford]

here's a Crown vic with that kit using a stock shelby blower......

http://i.imgur.com/T9blUkym.jpg (https://imgur.com/T9blUky)

[RubberCtyRauder]

12?? funny I got the last one from Lidio via Jerry and he said it was # 20, i could be wrong but I do remember lidio said this is the last one Jerry had and had to gather all the items.

also the mid-plate for the twin screw is different,by-pass is bigger and in a different location,also jerry used an adapter plate to mate the Trilogy inlet to the twin screw....
I'm sure Jerry could pipe in and school us to what is different.

its a cool kit but I would just go get a 2.9 whipple and convert to pass side inlet, or by the mid-plate from cobra engineering and use a 2.9 whipple for a shelby and inlet will stay on the same side......

i thouht it was 12, it may have been 20..for some reason 12 was stuck in my head. i did not know there was a diff. plate. between the roots one and twin screw one. if someone wants to sell their trilogy twin, I'm interested in it. We exchanged pms before, otherwise im doubtful to go whipple etc. new ideas and plans down the road for other projects, no room to keep them all

[Blackmobile]

I believe the number is closer to 12 than 20, but number 003 is still up and running strong. :banana2:

[Spectragod]

I believe the number is closer to 12 than 20, but number 003 is still up and running strong. :banana2:



It was 19 TS’s, and the last one, #20 was built from parts leftover on the shelves, as far as power, I have a 5.0 stroker, 521/526 at the wheels on a conservative street tune.

No clue how Rick’s pulling it off, I’m on dr’s and it blows them off wot from 1-2,2-3. Still pretty quick for a 16 second DTR


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[Themarauderguy]

I was under the impression that the platewas the same as well as the outlet for the trilogy just a backplate had to have a different hole drill to make it mount to the lysholm case.

[RubberCtyRauder]

you can go whipple, it will mount to the lower plate, just move battery so you can have passenger side intake.

[Themarauderguy]

I thought the Whipple would fit 03 04 Cobra Mustang intake without an adapter plate? But yeah after everything I've read I think a whip would probably yield more horsepower numbers on pump gas then trying to do the trilogy twins screw. Wouldn't i have to go with some Eaton swap brackets for the snout length to be correct though? Because I think it's different than the trilogy. There has been some really good information on this thread!

[RubberCtyRauder]

no plate req. i meant lower intake, you can modify the trilogy brackets for eaton/whipple, i cant recall if it is add half inch spacer or cut half inch off. lji372 will know. better make sure engine and trans is ready for big bump in torque.

[RubberCtyRauder]

also read from old post by Hotrauder, original owner of Fruitpunch, that Jerry Barnes kept twin screw 1 and 2 and that the first 3 were warrantied as lysholm shipped without oil with no msg, notice etc. to fill with oil, trilogy eatons came with oil added. i dont know how factual this all is, maybe it will ring a bell with some of you

[Themarauderguy]

Ok. I have a forged built engine and transmission built. I bought form member court's car

[justbob]

IIRC Trilogy’s snouts are 3/8” longer than all others. It’s been awhile though.

Either way it’s nothing to shave off or add to.

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[hotford]

It was 19 TS’s, and the last one, #20 was built from parts leftover on the shelves, as far as power, I have a 5.0 stroker, 521/526 at the wheels on a conservative street tune.

No clue how Rick’s pulling it off, I’m on dr’s and it blows them off wot from 1-2,2-3. Still pretty quick for a 16 second DTR


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Correct Lidio said he had to get a gear case as Jerry didn’t have one in house at the time

[Joe Walsh]

I have a 5.0 stroker, 521/526 at the wheels on a conservative street tune.

No clue how Rick’s pulling it off, I’m on dr’s and it blows them off wot from 1-2,2-3.
Still pretty quick for a 16 second DTR


LOL.....yeah, just like Sherm's "I do 12s" license plate!

[Spectragod]

LOL.....yeah, just like Sherm's "I do 12s" license plate!

I guarantee my ride is always slower, just call it a DTR handicap.:D :burnout:

I considered a regular Trilogy when I bought my TS, the cost difference was nil between the 2 when buying new.

Originally made like 390 on a stock block with the tune that came with it, dyno time brought that to 472, stroker and cams brought it to 521, it's been fun, most every mod has responded with positive results, ymmv.:beer: