My first true MOD....

[Black_Kannin]

Talking to a kat that has a SC Marauder in Jersy has me pondering on getting a CAM upgrade over 4.10's. He say my stock isn't putting out enough right now for 4.10 and if I start with the CAM upgrade i'll get 30-50 more hp to feel easily, around the same cost for the product, fewer days on the labor and cheaper labor cost than the 4.10's. Told me to research Crane Camshafts. So to the wise brotherhood of MMN.....drop some knowledge on me.

[Blackened300a]

Talking to a kat that has a SC Marauder in Jersy has me pondering on getting a CAM upgrade over 4.10's. He say my stock isn't putting out enough right now for 4.10 and if I start with the CAM upgrade i'll get 30-50 more hp to feel easily, around the same cost for the product, fewer days on the labor and cheaper labor cost than the 4.10's. Told me to research Crane Camshafts. So to the wise brotherhood of MMN.....drop some knowledge on me.

My tuner installed cams on a Mach1 and it only gained 10RWHP but sounded really nice.

BTW, 4.10s can be installed within 2 hours for around $500 with parts, Cams are at least 8 hours to install and that's if someone has done them many times before and will run you several thousands of dollars. You can be bone stock, install 4.10s and still feel a improvement.

[DOOM]

Cams aren't worh the money for the minimal gain you'll get.

Theres a reason why the majority here don't change em'

30 - 50 more HP!!! I dont know about that. I'll let the experts chime in.

[RR|Suki]

Talking to a kat that has a SC Marauder in Jersy has me pondering on getting a CAM upgrade over 4.10's. He say my stock isn't putting out enough right now for 4.10 and if I start with the CAM upgrade i'll get 30-50 more hp to feel easily, around the same cost for the product, fewer days on the labor and cheaper labor cost than the 4.10's. Told me to research Crane Camshafts. So to the wise brotherhood of MMN.....drop some knowledge on me.

what cams that give 50hp can you get for the cost of gears?, and who is going to install them for the same price as a gear install? :confused:

[ctrlraven]

For the same price of cams installed you can do a tune, intake, and gears probably and more.

[SC Cheesehead]

Talking to a kat that has a SC Marauder in Jersy has me pondering on getting a CAM upgrade over 4.10's. He say my stock isn't putting out enough right now for 4.10 and if I start with the CAM upgrade i'll get 30-50 more hp to feel easily, around the same cost for the product, fewer days on the labor and cheaper labor cost than the 4.10's. Told me to research Crane Camshafts. So to the wise brotherhood of MMN.....drop some knowledge on me.


My tuner installed cams on a Mach1 and it only gained 10RWHP but sounded really nice.

BTW, 4.10s can be installed within 2 hours for around $500 with parts, Cams are at least 8 hours to install and that's if someone has done them many times before and will run you several thousands of dollars. You can be bone stock, install 4.10s and still feel a improvement.

Don't know which kat you've been talking to about the 4:10s, but I call :bs:

^^^^^^ What Blackened300a said ^^^^^

4:10s and a tune are the two best mods you can do to a bone stock MM, and they'll cost you a whole lot less than cams.

[DOOM]

Bro just get yourself a intake, gears, and tune.

Trust me you will feel a HUGE difference over stock! :beer:

Sounds like someone is feeding you a load of :bs:

[SC Cheesehead]

Bro just get yourself a intake, gears, and tune.

Trust me you will feel a HUGE difference over stock! :beer:

Sounds like someone is feeding you a load of :bs:

Got that right, Doomie! :up:

[DOOM]

If cams gave you 50HP best believe i would have em on my car.

Sounds like this dude is tryn to sucker you! :shake:

DON'T DO IT!!! :nono:

[Motorhead350]

I guess I would change my Cams, but I think it would make my car a ticking time bomb on top of all the power I already have.

[musclemerc]

First your not gonna get 50hp from cam's that are affordable. If your sold on the cam idea go for the 96~98 Cobra cams. Installing them won't be cheap (unless you can do them yourself). To save some cash you should consider CAI, Xcal Tune, and a midpipe swap to start.

[Pops]

You have to but 4 Cams. No way you can do this for less than the price of the gears. Do the gears and save money for the tune. I have replaced the cams on my 4 valve motor and can tell you its not what you are looking for unless you have a SC to go with them. Which I do.

[DOOM]

This guy told Black Kannin that it takes 3-5 days to install 4:10 gears! :eek: :shake: :stupid:

WTF is this dude smoking!!! :rasta:

[BAD MERC]

I have gears, an underdrive pulley, mufflers, CAI and programmer and it's a completely different car now. Stay out of the motor unless you're gonna pull huge numbers and need to beef up the internals.

[justbob]

I'd love to have the sound of some VOODOO cams! But at around $3000.00 installed, pass.

[Hotrauder]

I have gears, an underdrive pulley, mufflers, CAI and programmer and it's a completely different car now. Stay out of the motor unless you're gonna pull huge numbers and need to beef up the internals.



10/4 :beer:. The only down side is that when you wake your Marauder up with these great initial mods you WILL want the biggy....A BLOWER... then brakes and handling to control it all and on and on. It is fun and what makes Marauders special. To much is not enough. Truth be known and this may piss off a bunch of stock Marauder owners...a stock Marauder is nothing more than a Grand Monkey with bad ride manners, pretend "fast" and funny wheels ... That is the reason for your interest, your question, why there is so much modification information here and so many heavily modified Marauders in the collective. Go for the gusto. You will love it. Dennis

[FordNut]

I'll go ahead and pile on... Do the gears, driveshaft, and tune, then the headers.

[Black_Kannin]

This is all the dude I know, his MODs.......



Custom Crate Motor Built to Spec/Blue Printed - 618cc Displacement ($4500)
Custom Pistons/Rods ($1400)
Knifed, Balanced, Plugged, Polished Crank Shaft ($1000)
Stage III Crane Cams (Custom Grind - $2100)
100hr Port n' Polish ($600)
Titanium Valve Springs n' Valves ($420)
Custom Rocker Arm Set ($615)
Pro Charger Centrifugal Supercharger, Full Race Kit ($1700)
Edelbrock Supercharger Intake Manifold ($440)
Ford Racing Fuel Pump & Fuel Upgrade Kit (Includes High Performance Pump, Fuel Filter,Fuel Rail, Larger diameter fuel lines and larger injectors - $800)
SVT (Modified) Cold Air Intake ($220)
Brembo Big Brake Kit -Crossed Drilled/Slotted Rotors ($800)
Eibach Pro Stage III Suspension Kit ($600)
Ford Racing LSD
4.10 Gears
FULL Custom Exaust


That's the skinny of it, it Dyno's at 710hp/688lb-ft torque but it can EASILY hit 800hp with a bump in boost.

[RR|Suki]

This is all the dude I know, his MODs.......



Custom Crate Motor Built to Spec/Blue Printed - 618cc Displacement ($4500)
Custom Pistons/Rods ($1400)
Knifed, Balanced, Plugged, Polished Crank Shaft ($1000)
Stage III Crane Cams (Custom Grind - $2100)
100hr Port n' Polish ($600)
Titanium Valve Springs n' Valves ($420)
Custom Rocker Arm Set ($615)
Pro Charger Centrifugal Supercharger, Full Race Kit ($1700)
Edelbrock Supercharger Intake Manifold ($440)
Ford Racing Fuel Pump & Fuel Upgrade Kit (Includes High Performance Pump, Fuel Filter,Fuel Rail, Larger diameter fuel lines and larger injectors - $800)
SVT (Modified) Cold Air Intake ($220)
Brembo Big Brake Kit -Crossed Drilled/Slotted Rotors ($800)
Eibach Pro Stage III Suspension Kit ($600)
Ford Racing LSD
4.10 Gears
FULL Custom Exaust


That's the skinny of it, it Dyno's at 710hp/688lb-ft torque but it can EASILY hit 800hp with a bump in boost.

I'm not sure what all this has to do with anything. . . that's not even our motor :confused:

If the tale is that's a Marauder motor, someone is spinning a yarn. You can't get 618CID (I assume you meant CID since 618cc would be .6L) out of our block.

[Black_Kannin]

I'm not sure what all this has to do with anything. . . that's not even our motor :confused:


^^I told him to list me all the MODs he did with his Marauder....this is the list back!!

[musclemerc]

^^^+1 None of this has anything to do with our motor's... Maybe he will pay for and install the cam's for you! Looks like you got the reciepts and costs for all HIS mods! I had no Idea Edelbrock made a SC intake for a 32v... And Eibach mad a custom suspension for a MM?

[RR|Suki]

^^I told him to list me all the MODs he did with his Marauder....this is the list back!!

Like I said above:
If the tale is that's a Marauder motor, someone is spinning a yarn. You can't get 618CID (I assume you meant CID since 618cc would be .6L) out of our block.

He is pulling your leg, or someone is pulling his, those aren't mods for our motor :confused:. What does it run at the strip?

[Black_Kannin]

Like I said above:
If the tale is that's a Marauder motor, someone is spinning a yarn. You can't get 618CID (I assume you meant CID since 618cc would be .6L) out of our block.

He is pulling your leg, or someone is pulling his, those aren't mods for our motor :confused:. What does it run at the strip?


^^REMEMBER now this is not me or my Marauder....and he said he runs a 11.5..."HE" SAYS!!

[musclemerc]

You need new friends! This guy believes in fairy dust!

[Speed]

Black_Kannin (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/member.php?u=11509),

Of course the final decision is ultimately yours, if you are like me and don’t know much about motors/mods I would strongly adhere to the advice you are getting. These guys won't stir you wrong. Good luck

[SC Cheesehead]

Like I said above:
If the tale is that's a Marauder motor, someone is spinning a yarn. You can't get 618CID (I assume you meant CID since 618cc would be .6L) out of our block.

He is pulling your leg, or someone is pulling his, those aren't mods for our motor :confused:. What does it run at the strip?

Yeah 618 ci = 10.1 liters...BIG stroker, enso? :rolleyes:

[Black_Kannin]

Black_Kannin (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/member.php?u=11509),

Of course the final decision is ultimately yours, if you are like me and don’t know much about motors/mods I would strongly adhere to the advice you are getting. These guys won't stir you wrong. Good luck




^^I agree 100, that's why after talking to him I came here ASAP....I always do my research and listen to the wise men. Had to bring this to attention because whatever I don't know I ask in order to know.

[RR|Suki]

^^REMEMBER now this is not me or my Marauder....and he said he runs a 11.5..."HE" SAYS!!

Oh I know it's not your car, what I am wondering is if this guy is claiming that those specs came from a Marauder? If so, I would say stop listening to him ASAP.

[DOOM]

Brembo brakes! :rofl:

[Blackened300a]

This is all the dude I know, his MODs.......



Custom Crate Motor Built to Spec/Blue Printed - 618cc Displacement ($4500)
Custom Pistons/Rods ($1400)
Knifed, Balanced, Plugged, Polished Crank Shaft ($1000)
Stage III Crane Cams (Custom Grind - $2100)
100hr Port n' Polish ($600)
Titanium Valve Springs n' Valves ($420)
Custom Rocker Arm Set ($615)
Pro Charger Centrifugal Supercharger, Full Race Kit ($1700)
Edelbrock Supercharger Intake Manifold ($440)
Ford Racing Fuel Pump & Fuel Upgrade Kit (Includes High Performance Pump, Fuel Filter,Fuel Rail, Larger diameter fuel lines and larger injectors - $800)
SVT (Modified) Cold Air Intake ($220)
Brembo Big Brake Kit -Crossed Drilled/Slotted Rotors ($800)
Eibach Pro Stage III Suspension Kit ($600)
Ford Racing LSD
4.10 Gears
FULL Custom Exaust


That's the skinny of it, it Dyno's at 710hp/688lb-ft torque but it can EASILY hit 800hp with a bump in boost.

Those 3 items Im having a issue with. I don't recall rocker arms on a DOHC engine. Edlebrock don't make any form of intake manifold for this engine and Eibach makes springs for this car and nothing else.

I meet guys like this at car shows that tell me what they have and then I just shake my head and nod because I know better.

[SC Cheesehead]

^^REMEMBER now this is not me or my Marauder....and he said he runs a 11.5..."HE" SAYS!!

11.5 out of a 618 cid motor, with over 700 hp. Even Bawaizr could prolly beat him...;)

[DOOM]

11.5 out of a 618 cid motor, with over 700 hp. Even Bawaizr could prolly beat him...;)

That's goning just a little too far Rex! :rolleyes:

[-Matt-]

Dont those mods come stock on a Marauder?

[RR|Suki]

Dont those mods come stock on a Marauder?

only the 618CID motor is stock ;)

[-Matt-]

only the 618CID motor is stock ;)

Oh ok.... so the rest was for the special florida hwy patrol versions right?

[Mr. Man]

I was thinking of cams for that as Justbob put "Voodoo" sound. This would be a distant mod as its expensive but for me its for show not necessarily go. If you want to go fast go with a supercharger, but if it's for show there's not much that sounds better than a cammed engine idling at a lite. I would do it in conjunction with an exhaust mod. Remember it's better to look good than to feel good.:)
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[CBT]

I was thinking of cams for that as Justbob put "Voodoo" sound. This would be a distant mod as its expensive but for me its for show not necessarily go. If you want to go fast go with a supercharger, but if it's for show there's not much that sounds better than a cammed engine idling at a lite. I would do it in conjunction with an exhaust mod. Remember it's better to look good than to feel good.:)
.
Then you can tell people it's got a 4.6 !!

[SC Cheesehead]

That's goning just a little too far Rex! :rolleyes:

Well, I was gonna put in your name....;)

[boatmangc]

Brembo brakes! :rofl:
Big Brake kits with rotors? For $600; gimme some of those!

[Dark_Knight7096]

Well, I was planning on doing cams when I got a new motor, but I figured since I was going to get a new motor purpose built from the ground up, I might as well put the cams in too but it isn't something I would just do on a MM. 5.0 or in my old GTP maybe, but not in the MM. Way I look at it, the Cobras/Terminators and Mach 1s don't really add cams until they go crazy and have nothing left to do so that's gotta say something.

[RR|Suki]

I still wanna know what your friend said when you called him on those BS mods

[DOOM]

I wanna see pics of the brembos on the car! :rolleyes:

[Black_Kannin]

I still wanna know what your friend said when you called him on those BS mods




^^I just want him to join the sight, I'm not about the witch hunt....Ima see if I can get pics though!!

[ctrlraven]

I was rofl'ing when I read that mod list, has everything to do about nothing to do with our engine.

I think car mods, hp and 1/4 times are the most common BS'ing that goes around unless something backs up the claims.

So to answer your question Black Kannin: tune, intake (k&n or JLT, I bias to JLT), 180 degree t-stat, one step colder spark plugs, GMS coil-on plug connectors, 3000 stall torque converter and 4.10 gears with not even touching the exhaust should give you a low 14 car all day long for around $2500 give or take and I was including using the JLT and common labor charges. Open the exhaust up some and venture into the 13 sec range.

[Black_Kannin]

I was rofl'ing when I read that mod list, has everything to do about nothing to do with our engine.

I think car mods, hp and 1/4 times are the most common BS'ing that goes around unless something backs up the claims.

So to answer your question Black Kannin: tune, intake (k&n or JLT, I bias to JLT), 180 degree t-stat, one step colder spark plugs, GMS coil-on plug connectors, 3000 stall torque converter and 4.10 gears with not even touching the exhaust should give you a low 14 car all day long for around $2500 give or take and I was including using the JLT and common labor charges. Open the exhaust up some and venture into the 13 sec range.



^^Starts shopping list!!

[1320ft]

ctrlraven we need to get together and see what we can do with my car. i am in the mood to be 13.00 and happy with that for now. until i get another vehical. then we go faster....lol

[SC Cheesehead]

ctrlraven we need to get together and see what we can do with my car. i am in the mood to be 13.00 and happy with that for now. until i get another vehical. then we go faster....lol

CV @ 13.00 = Bucks.

I'm guessing Pops spent well over $5,000 to get his car (Grand Marquis) in the low 13's.

As for the MM guys that are running there, gears, tune, control arms, exhaust system, prolly over $3,000 as well.

[tallpaul]

You say that would be your dream cruiser right? Then you should move to florida. They have eighteen of them as highway patrol cars.

[Mr. Man]

CV @ 13.00 = Bucks.

I'm guessing Pops spent well over $5,000 to get his car (Grand Marquis) in the low 13's.

As for the MM guys that are running there, gears, tune, control arms, exhaust system, prolly over $3,000 as well.
If its Blue more like $4,000:D:flamer::lol:

[CBT]

If its Blue more like $4,000:D:flamer::lol:

Heeeeey, wait a minute....that's sounds like an insult! :nono:

[SC Cheesehead]

Heeeeey, wait a minute....that's sounds like an insult! :nono:

Nah, he's just jealous 'cause he's got one of those granny silver ones...;)

[Black_Kannin]

You say that would be your dream cruiser right? Then you should move to florida. They have eighteen of them as highway patrol cars.




^^Ohhhhhhh....Don't tempt me!!!

[illwood]

Big Brake kits with rotors? For $600; gimme some of those!
Actually, about 2 years ago, I bought a closeout set of the Brembo 13" 4-piston full brake kit (calipers, rotors, and even flex lines) for my Mustang for $500 shipped. I've been kicking myself that I didn't drop the money and buy 2 sets and sell the other one for a bit of profit.

[Black_Kannin]

What is the "gasket kit" that you get also when buying 4.10's and do you buy one or two 4.10?!?!

[ctrlraven]

ctrlraven we need to get together and see what we can do with my car. i am in the mood to be 13.00 and happy with that for now. until i get another vehical. then we go faster....lol
I can tell you the very first thing I would do would be the PI head swap, high flow intake, custom tune and some 3.73 gears. All of that would really wake the car up.

You should come to the Bert's 50's Diner meet we are having on Sunday April 25th.
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