stainless works

[tallpaul]

Just curious about their system. Is the ceramic coating really worth the money? Does it keep the headers from turning blueish? Are the turbo mufflers too loud? I guess that depends on your prefferences.

[LeoVampire]

No color changes and god they run so much cooler inside of the engine compartment.

get water spots on them but there is a high temp polish you can use now on ceramic coated headers to keep them looking nice.

I have no clue about anything else other than the Mocat system though.

[tallpaul]

After my post I you tubed for stainless works turbo mufflers and did get some hits. I can't decide if they would be too loud when riding in the car. I don't wan't to have to blast the radio when riding.

[Mr. Man]

Turn off the radio and just listen

[1stMerc]

No color changes and god they run so much cooler inside of the engine compartment.

get water spots on them but there is a high temp polish you can use now on ceramic coated headers to keep them looking nice.

I have no clue about anything else other than the Mocat system though.

Dude, you gotta enlarge those picks of engine in your sig.

[Zack]

IMHO, coating stainless headers is simply an asthetic mod, and a waste of money.

However, SW headers are far superior to Kooks, glad you've chosen them :up:

Stick with OEM mufflers, you will be pleasantly surprised at how AWESOME it sounds.

[ImpalaSlayer]

IMHO, coating stainless headers is simply an asthetic mod, and a waste of money.

However, SW headers are far superior to Kooks, glad you've chosen them :up:

Stick with OEM mufflers, you will be pleasantly surprised at how AWESOME it sounds.


+1 on all

i have kooks and wish i went SW

[FordNut]

I say go with the coating. Uncoated headers will turn colors and show their age, ceramic coated ones will always look great. Temperature difference, I dunno. It would take a before/after test and I've never run the uncoated ones.

Mufflers, stockers are quiet but may have more flow restriction. For quiet and high flow go with Borla Turbo, Turbo XL or Pro XS. One member tried them and had them taken back off because he claimed they were quieter than stockers. But with LT headers they ought to be about right.

[RR|Suki]

I don't believe in coating either, I actually prefer the look of the bare headers as they change colours over time.

[LeoVampire]

Dude, you gotta enlarge those picks of engine in your sig.

Is that a better one?

I am not sure how big I can go and I think my sig is already a bit large with the mod's listed although now all of them are listed.

BTW the temp is low enough that I can alomst touch the headers with in maybe 10 minutes of shutting off the car due to how fast they cool
down and how low the outer temp stays in the first place so yes it make's a serious difference.

[Taemian]

The SW headers are great, I did a GB here years ago.

The coating does affect underhood temps, so I got it. I'm unsure of scavaging effects though. The engine compartment stays much cooler than without the coating.

The SW mufflers are LOOOOOUD. 2Dmax got the whole system, headers to tailpipes and he took them off after 2 weeks. Mind you he had a Trilogy, and it was also completely drowned out by the SW mufflers. So were the helicopters taking off at his workplace!
3 of us went to a dyno with our MMs, and the guy said they were some of the loudest mufflers he'd heard.

You can get the coating locally probably cheaper. SW was charging $400, most local places were doing it for 275-300 bucks for the exact same stuff.

[babbage]

The SW headers are great, I did a GB here years ago.

The coating does affect underhood temps, so I got it. I'm unsure of scavaging effects though. The engine compartment stays much cooler than without the coating.

The SW mufflers are LOOOOOUD. 2Dmax got the whole system, headers to tailpipes and he took them off after 2 weeks. Mind you he had a Trilogy, and it was also completely drowned out by the SW mufflers. So were the helicopters taking off at his workplace!
3 of us went to a dyno with our MMs, and the guy said they were some of the loudest mufflers he'd heard.

You can get the coating locally probably cheaper. SW was charging $400, most local places were doing it for 275-300 bucks for the exact same stuff.

Wow thanks for the info! For anyone considering SW long tubes - August is FREE install month. Buy them in August and they'll install them for free.

I would have thought that the SW mufflers (being a turbo design) would be fairly quiet. I'm going with Dynomax Super Turbos someday. 25" overall length...

[RR|Suki]

I would have thought that the SW mufflers (being a turbo design) would be fairly quiet. I'm going with Dynomax Super Turbos someday. 25" overall length...

Are they actually turbo design though? On the site they call them chambered turbo mufflers, if they are as loud as people are saying something tells the tube just goes in and dumps into a hollow space, then finds it's way out.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Are they actually turbo design though? On the site they call them chambered turbo mufflers, if they are as loud as people are saying something tells the tube just goes in and dumps into a hollow space, then finds it's way out.
a member here has them, they really arnt that loud. nothing compared to my set up. they do sounds pretty good though

[breeze]

i have kooks and wish i went SW

whats the difference really between the 2?

[ImpalaSlayer]

whats the difference really between the 2?


fit and finish.

think of it this way

SW= trilogy

kooks = snail set up

[breeze]

fit and finish.

think of it this way

SW= trilogy

kooks = snail set up

glad im not rushing to do any mods yet bcaue i was goin to get kooks

[LeoVampire]

I can put in and take out the starter easily with the SW headers on my Marauder.

Also I did not have to jack up the engine to get them in and bolted.

I do sugest a lokar flexable dipstick tube to be used in place of the stock one after they are in.

[ImpalaSlayer]

glad im not rushing to do any mods yet bcaue i was goin to get kooks


the SWs are worth the extra coin, especially if you are doing the install, i hear they are much easier. on the kooks, the starter is a huge PITA and the steering shaft is also a cunt

[FordNut]

whats the difference really between the 2?

The length is the main difference. I like my Kooks just fine. The SW are longer, so you can only use the really short cats in order to clear the crossmember.

[breeze]

i was gona do them myself...reason why i thought about kooks because i see alot of folks running them so, but to see some wish they changed there minds makes me think.

[Zack]

The coating is good when you are parked with the engine running.

Once the car starts moving, the underhood temps get down to just about ambient....I did the testing myself.

[Zack]

i was gona do them myself...reason why i thought about kooks because i see alot of folks running them so, but to see some wish they changed there minds makes me think.

If you want to swear your head off installing the headers, get the Kooks.

If you want them to go right in, get the SW's

[2,4shofast]

I do not have any experience with the SW system but I had zero issues installing my Kooks.

[breeze]

any difference in the tone?

[ImpalaSlayer]

any difference in the tone?

no first hand experience, but id imagine they would sound about the same

[Black_Out]

How much ARE SW headers?

[LeoVampire]

How much ARE SW headers?


http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/index.php?cPath=481_484_360

[1stMerc]

Is that a better one?

I am not sure how big I can go and I think my sig is already a bit large with the mod's listed although now all of them are listed.


Much better :up:

[Blown3.8]

The SW mufflers are not loud at all even without cats. Now if you leave the over axle and tail pipes off its quite loud.

+1 on SW easier to install.

[tallpaul]

Well thanks for the I/P. I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Still can't decide whether to use the turbo or the chambered turbo mufflers. I would like it to be very noticeable but not too loud. I don't know of anybody around here that does the ceramic coating but, I may not get it.

[Taemian]

I wish the video camera we used could show you the dif between a stock MM muffler (mine), Flowmasters (Derek's) and SWs (Dave's.) Of course the audio track is compressed and noise gates at the same level for each car, but we all swore the SW's were just a hollow muffler with some steel wool inside.:lol:

Anytime you'd put down 2/3 or more throttle, everyone knows about it. If you like that, great. If not, try another type. Also as it was pointed out to me after the fact, the mufflers increase the sound levels, but so do the headers and high flow cats. It's all cumulative, so going from a stock system to a full SW system makes it way :censor: louder! remember that when planning what you want.

[Taemian]

The coating is good when you are parked with the engine running.

Once the car starts moving, the underhood temps get down to just about ambient....I did the testing myself.

I did that too and agree with you. Lining up and staging at the track was much cooler and prevented heatsoak.

The general rule is 1% (HP reduction or improvement) for every 10 degrees of temperature. It's easier to calculate for NA than a forced induction motor with an intercooler because now there are 2 calculations to consider than just one.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/34815-i-so-wrong-so-long-egg-face-mouthocrow-etc.html

Interesting and very detailed threads on heatsoak on a similar type vehicle to ours.

[babbage]

Are they actually turbo design though? On the site they call them chambered turbo mufflers, if they are as loud as people are saying something tells the tube just goes in and dumps into a hollow space, then finds it's way out.


No they look like this:

http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/images/ChamberedTurboMuffler.jpg

Look really good, I find it hard to believe that these with the full system are really loud but it scares me - as I don't want mega loud either...

[babbage]

I wish the video camera we used could show you the dif between a stock MM muffler (mine), Flowmasters (Derek's) and SWs (Dave's.) Of course the audio track is compressed and noise gates at the same level for each car, but we all swore the SW's were just a hollow muffler with some steel wool inside.:lol:


Did dave go with the Turbo mufflers - or did he get the performance straight through ones?
The SW Tubro's look like this: http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/images/ChamberedTurboMuffler.jpg



Anytime you'd put down 2/3 or more throttle, everyone knows about it. If you like that, great. If not, try another type. Also as it was pointed out to me after the fact, the mufflers increase the sound levels, but so do the headers and high flow cats. It's all cumulative, so going from a stock system to a full SW system makes it way :censor: louder! remember that when planning what you want.

Yeah, I don't really want that, I want to be fast and flow good but be quiet, I'm planning on making my own quiet cat back - then perhaps get the SW headers

[Zack]

Listen to me as its as close to the gospel as you can get:

When installing longtubes, DO NOT replace the mufflers at the same time!

Longtubes and stock Mufflers sound so damn good there is NO REASON TO CHANGE THEM!

[RR|Suki]

No they look like this:

http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/images/ChamberedTurboMuffler.jpg

Look really good, I find it hard to believe that these with the full system are really loud but it scares me - as I don't want mega loud either...

that's exactly what I said it would be :P
They dump into a hollow area which might be why people are finding them loud. If you look at the Dyno max, the Out pipe is isolated and the flow has to follow the path back and forth in order to exit. They also have sound damping packing inside. Longer distance means less noise, and more exhaust flow moving through the sound damping.
http://www.dynomax.com/images/mufflers/superturbo_lg.jpg

[musclemerc]

that's exactly what I said it would be :P
They dump into a hollow area which might be why people are finding them loud. If you look at the Dyno max, the Out pipe is isolated and the flow has to follow the path back and forth in order to exit. They also have sound damping packing inside. Longer distance means less noise, and more exhaust flow moving through the sound damping.
http://www.dynomax.com/images/mufflers/superturbo_lg.jpg


Good point RRSuki!

[MCAT]

Ceramic coating "Jet Hot" can (note I say "can", not will) drop the surface temp of the header by as much as 300 deg (this was reported in CarCraft magazine), and as far as the dip stick goes just loosen the bolts for the motor mounts that go into the side of the block (note do not remove them, just back them out an inch or so) then place a pc. of 2x8 on end on the drivers side oil pan lip, jack this side up about an inch or two, then using the space between the block & motor mount the dipstick will slide in & out with out any problem, the dipstick can be installed this way even if you have the headers bolted up tight to the head.

[tallpaul]

Will you need to retune the car?

[MCAT]

yes after adding LT's you will need to re-tune

[Taemian]

Listen to me as its as close to the gospel as you can get:

When installing longtubes, DO NOT replace the mufflers at the same time!

Longtubes and stock Mufflers sound so damn good there is NO REASON TO CHANGE THEM!

I'm not sure which of the mufflers came with the full kit he bought from SW, but they were LOUD.

I agree with Zack here, as I have the SW headers and cats, with the rest of the exhaust being completely stock. Quiet enough around town, but loud enough when you want them to be.

If it's too loud for you, add an x-pipe style muffler in place of the H pipe. If not loud enough, change out the mufflers.

Beware of the "drone" from non-factory mufflers.

[FordNut]

Will you need to retune the car?

When I put on my LT headers I was NA and I drove it for several thousand miles before getting a tune. I did a before/after dyno test just to see what the performance difference was but didn't mess with the tune for quite awhile.

[babbage]

When I put on my LT headers I was NA and I drove it for several thousand miles before getting a tune. I did a before/after dyno test just to see what the performance difference was but didn't mess with the tune for quite awhile.

Well? What was the N/A difference in the long tubes?
What was the difference before and after dynotune when you finally did get one? :confused:

[musclemerc]

I'm not sure which of the mufflers came with the full kit he bought from SW, but they were LOUD.

I agree with Zack here, as I have the SW headers and cats, with the rest of the exhaust being completely stock. Quiet enough around town, but loud enough when you want them to be.

If it's too loud for you, add an x-pipe style muffler in place of the H pipe. If not loud enough, change out the mufflers.

Beware of the "drone" from non-factory mufflers.


+2 on the stock MM muffler's nice and quiet in the cabin while cruising and at WOT it sounds like music!

[Dj1]

Listen to me as its as close to the gospel as you can get:

When installing longtubes, DO NOT replace the mufflers at the same time!

Longtubes and stock Mufflers sound so damn good there is NO REASON TO CHANGE THEM!

+1



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[LeoVampire]

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+2

I have plenty asking what I did for mufflers after installing the long tube's and high flow cat's. None of them think or believe they are stock until the look for themselves.

[FordNut]

Well? What was the N/A difference in the long tubes?
What was the difference before and after dynotune when you finally did get one? :confused:

I don't remember the exact difference after bolt-on, I believe I posted it about 7 years ago. I think it was around 20 hp improvement at the peak, but it was even more improvement at lower rpm's. I didn't get it tuned until after I had made several other changes.

[babbage]

Well? What was the N/A difference in the long tubes?

What was the difference before and after dynotune when you finally did get one? :confused:



I don't remember the exact difference after bolt-on, I believe I posted it about 7 years ago. I think it was around 20 hp improvement at the peak, but it was even more improvement at lower rpm's. I didn't get it tuned until after I had made several other changes.

Thanks. I will probably do a "quiet" catback first, then add headers.


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