Any Auto body guys around?

[LeoVampire]

Just had some questions about the work being done on my Marauder paint wise.

They are using the new water based paint that is being mandated accross the country and I was wondering how this holds up vs what the car came with?

Also is there anything differnt you need to do as far as waxing this new type of paint once they say it is okay to do so?

Any info and on hand experience with this new paint would be apreciated.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i havent herd that they were mandating water based paint, interesting. do you know when this will take effect?

[LeoVampire]

i havent herd that they were mandating water based paint, interesting. do you know when this will take effect?

And they said 4 other state's already besides California.

All car manufactor's in the U.S. have to switch to this as well by 2012.

[ImpalaSlayer]

And they said 4 other state's already besides California.

All car manufactor's in the U.S. have to switch to this as well by 2012.
ugh, i hope it actually works. most of the time if its "eco friendly" it dosent work worth a crap.

[LeoVampire]

ugh, i hope it actually works. most of the time if its "eco friendly" it dosent work worth a crap.

As long as I own the car the work and paint is 100% guaranteed for life so if it dosn't last or there is a problem on how it holds up vs the original painted area of the car they will be seeing me again!

They even offerd to detail my car for free for life if I want to drive to East Hartford every time.

Here is some info on the process:

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0907_water_based_car_pain t/index.html

Takes longer to dry and easy to mess it up if you touch it before it dry's and takes less paint to cover a part.

Pros And Cons Of Waterborne PaintProsCons

Excellent coverage
More expensive
Uses less product
Different spray procedure
Easy cleanup
Different drying procedure
Saving (http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0907_water_based_car_pain t/spray_technique_drying.html#) the Earth one car at a timeNeed a dedicated spray gun

We got the lowdown from Brian Ferre, custom painter and instructor at Los Angeles Trade Technical Institute. He tells us waterborne paint is not a new invention-it's been around for more than a decade and has been in wide use in Europe for many years. Most of today's new cars are sprayed with waterborne paint at the factory, too. It received an undeserved bad reputation because of infamous problems that plagued a number of GM cars in the late '80s. The paint would peel off in sheets after a couple of years in the sun. Ferre tells us that particular paint-lifting problem was due to incompatibility between the paint and the primer. The paint itself was OK. Much more development and testing have been done since then, and today's waterborne paint is at a quality level on par with traditional solvent paint.

[Rocknthehawk]

I just had a meeting about this the other night.

The only thing waterborne is the BASECOAT. Your clear will be like the factory clear. You have NOTHING to worry about.

[LeoVampire]

I just had a meeting about this the other night.

The only thing waterborne is the BASECOAT. Your clear will be like the factory clear. You have NOTHING to worry about.

She said they will include info on how long to wait for differnt things as far as washing and what not but wanted to check around with guys who might be working with it or already have it on a car.

[JimP]

LeoVampire,

my car was recently scratched and is in the body shop. They too are using water based paint. Like you I was worried until I saw the almost finished product. Painter told me the stuff goes on like glass with very little orange peel, it is just as durable. I could not believe the smooth, glass like finish on the repair. I'll have to have the rest of the car wet sanded to match the repair. I will hopefully get car back by Thursday and I'll post pics then.

[Black Dynamite]

ugh, i hope it actually works. most of the time if its "eco friendly" it dosent work worth a crap.


Oh I don't know.....unleaded gas seems to work just fine... :D

[LeoVampire]

LeoVampire,

my car was recently scratched and is in the body shop. They too are using water based paint. Like you I was worried until I saw the almost finished product. Painter told me the stuff goes on like glass with very little orange peel, it is just as durable. I could not believe the smooth, glass like finish on the repair. I'll have to have the rest of the car wet sanded to match the repair. I will hopefully get car back by Thursday and I'll post pics then.

I guess it dosn't stick well to the older paint so they striped the entire drivers side of the car and striped the entire trunk for that reapir as well and started from scratch with the whole process is what they told me today.

[FordNut]

Oh I don't know.....unleaded gas seems to work just fine... :D

Not the new eco-friendly stuff. It gums up carbs in small engines like leaf blowers, weedeaters, and motorcycles in a matter of weeks.

[FordNut]

I guess it dosn't stick well to the older paint so they striped the entire drivers side of the car and striped the entire trunk for that reapir as well and started from scratch with the whole process is what they told me today.

My concern is that it wouldn't match the old paint so you could tell where repairs and repaint was done. Like he said VVV


my car was recently scratched and is in the body shop. They too are using water based paint. Like you I was worried until I saw the almost finished product. Painter told me the stuff goes on like glass with very little orange peel, it is just as durable. I could not believe the smooth, glass like finish on the repair. I'll have to have the rest of the car wet sanded to match the repair. I will hopefully get car back by Thursday and I'll post pics then.

Maybe paint the whole car?

[LeoVampire]

My concern is that it wouldn't match the old paint so you could tell where repairs and repaint was done. Like he said VVV



Maybe paint the whole car?


Supose to be done and in my hands this week according to the girl I talked to. She said her mother in law run's the place and that she is a stick in the mud for perfection and has sent car's back to be redone before if she was not happy with the results.

Aparenty Progressive uses them in CT for all car's that are high end machines and or show cars is what I was told. Women owned and operated.

[Rocknthehawk]

My concern is that it wouldn't match the old paint so you could tell where repairs and repaint was done. Like he said VVV



Maybe paint the whole car?


Paint match with waterborne is actually much closer than attempting a blend with standard VOC paints. This is especially true for metallics because the flake hods much better, where in a standard paint, like silvers, you'll see striping or concentration of the metallic. The paint goes on much nicer, like glass, with little orange peel. Like I said, it's only your basecoat, and chances are the car will get baked to cure the paint quickly anyways.

The reason they say the "stripped the whole side", is because if I saw correctly, you had the drivers door replaced, and passenger repaired? Being so, the estimate should say to blend the drivers door into the fender, and the rear door into the quarter.

The only issue is you NEED to do a spray out card, because the color wet and dry are different. Being your car is BLACK, You should have zero problems.

Water paints aren't new. Many shops simply haven't converted because of the cost to update their systems, and cost of materials.

[J-MAN]

Not a painter, but from what I've read on detailing sites, I'd look into extra coats of clear and tinting the clear.

[Rocknthehawk]

Not a painter, but from what I've read on detailing sites, I'd look into extra coats of clear and tinting the clear.

I'd recommend you don't give advice.

[LeoVampire]

I'd recommend you don't give advice.

WOW You shut him down fast!! But being an auto Body guy yourself I guess it is to be expected.

Any ETA when Mass is going to be switching to the new/old process as well?

[Rocknthehawk]

WOW You shut him down fast!! But being an auo Body guy yourself I guess it is to be expected.

Any ETA when Mass is going to be switching to the new/old process as well?

Word was 2012, but as far as I know it's been pushed back indefinetly. We were hearing 3-4 years ago 2010 was the year for the switch, but with the economy and such, it was put off. It's not cheap to convert, plus now all painters require certifications.

[LeoVampire]

Word was 2012, but as far as I know it's been pushed back indefinetly. We were hearing 3-4 years ago 2010 was the year for the switch, but with the economy and such, it was put off. It's not cheap to convert, plus now all painters require certifications.

This place where my car was @ said they had a new building built and figured it was better to set it up from the start rather than convert down the road so I see and understand what you and they are talking about.

I guess I will have the first ECO Marauder :whistle: