catch can system

[bawazir]

Hi guys ,
I would like to remove the breathers & run a catch can system, Is this is a good a catch can system from Moroso
Dose any one have any pic or a diagram on there car's please post pics .
Do you guys know where can i get a good deal on a catch system, Morso are going for $110.?
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffff.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

[bawazir]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/nada.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

Breather left & Breather right in one can? Is this is a good setup?
and do i still have to run pcv?

[DOOM]

You should call Zack RIGHT NOW and ask him!!! :2thumbs:

[justbob]

Agreed! or just hollar upstairs!! Your living there now right?

[tjl006]

That breather can, catch can, what have you still vents exhaust gasses to the air and it will not resolve your vapor, smell issue in the cabin. Personally I have a setup like that on my car and liked it because you dont get an oily mess on your valve covers.

[bawazir]

Agreed! or just hollar upstairs!! Your living there now right?

:alone: I called you yesterday Bob, but no one answered

[bawazir]

That breather can, catch can, what have you still vents exhaust gasses to the air and it will not resolve your vapor, smell issue in the cabin. Personally I have a setup like that on my car and liked it because you dont get an oily mess on your valve covers.



Well atleast with catch can it would be far a way from fire wall and i would not smell it any more ,I am thinking to move the catch can as far from the fire wall, i was thinking to mount it by the battry

[bawazir]

You should call Zack RIGHT NOW and ask him!!! :2thumbs:

I would but i think is tooo late to call, he might be sleeping, i call him tomorrow

[-Matt-]

How about this? 35 bucks.

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/sum-g1304_w.jpg

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G1304/

[bawazir]

How about this? 35 bucks.

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/sum-g1304_w.jpg

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G1304/


Wow! That is a good deal! Thanks Matt, But i was just wondring would that hold 2 hose? i got 2 in both side. or i should buy 2?

[justbob]

:alone: I called you yesterday Bob, but no one answered
I was busy doing nothing. Besides, I texted you back.

[bawazir]

I was busy doing nothing. Besides, I texted you back.

I am Sorry Bob, i just saw that text today,

[FordNut]

So why don't you want to hook up the PCV system? There are thousands of cars on the road with the stock PCV system and it works. Also costs less than either of the catch cans you're trying to rig up... which may not even solve your problem.

[bawazir]

So why don't you want to hook up the PCV system? There are thousands of cars on the road with the stock PCV system and it works. Also costs less than either of the catch cans you're trying to rig up... which may not even solve your problem.


PCV in my opinion is a NO , NO on any s/c cars,
Basically PCV closes on boost and that could case a pressure in my opinion, ones again i might be wrong , I am just trying to move the breather as far a way from the firewall, am thinking all the way on the bottom by the battery location.,
,

[FordNut]

PCV in my opinion is a NO , NO on any s/c cars,
Basically PCV closes on boost and that could case a pressure in my opinion, ones again i might be wrong , I am just trying to move the breather as far a way from the firewall, am thinking all the way on the bottom by the battery location.,
,

Like I said, thousands of boosted cars are running pcv system.

but it's your car, so if you want a stinky oily mess under the hood go for it.

[Blackened300a]

PCV in my opinion is a NO , NO on any s/c cars,
Basically PCV closes on boost and that could case a pressure in my opinion, ones again i might be wrong , I am just trying to move the breather as far a way from the firewall, am thinking all the way on the bottom by the battery location.,
,

Im not seeing the point in this. Are you sure the fumes are from the PVC and not a exhaust leak? Or maybe something leaking oil and burning off on your manifolds?

[juno]

Breathers do cause fumes in the cabin.

[musclemerc]

Bawazir, the cans your looking at will give you the same problem in the end, and they will do nothing to stop the oil vapors that will coat your S/C system. You need a closed set up, not one with a breather attatched. These are more expensive than the Moroso (225.00~250.00) but you can also make your own. I gave a detailed thread on how to in the "Greasy intake thread".

[DOOM]

:alone: I called you yesterday Bob, but no one answered

I wonder why??? :rolleyes:

[Zack]

If you have a properly setup PCV system on an eaton swap), the passenger side will suck oil vapors right out of the cam cover into the intake track.

If the drivers side has an EV-111 valve, it will close when its under boost and not let any vapors escape from that side of the engine.

Its all a matter of personal preferance in the end.

[TooManyFords]

I run the Moroso catch can. Here is where I mounted mine:

http://www.cvmusclecars.com/picture.php?albumid=7&pictureid=297

Also, if you go this route, then get the entire kit from D'Agastino as they are the only ones that have the correct AN to Breather adapters and sell it as a kit with the Moroso can. Just add some -8AN hose and any additional AN elbows and ends and you're finished.

If you want better pictures, let me know.

[DOOM]

I would but i think is tooo late to call, he might be sleeping, i call him tomorrow

Are you kidding me!!!

Zack is available 24/7 ! :up:

Actually the best time to call is between 3-4am. :D

[Marauderjack]

Delete your PCV system and cut your oil life by 80% and engine life by over 50%.......unless you change you oil every 500 miles!!!:eek:

Read up on what the PCV system actually does and decide for yourself......Also the PCV system does not cost you any power!!:rolleyes:

What's all the fuss about catch cans anyway??:shake:

[bawazir]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/furrrrrr.jpg (javascript:;)

[Zack]

The pic you just posted will create the same amount of fumes.

I built your car with the pcv system to be eliminated, and I told you that up front.

The lower intake on your car is plugged, so to set it up like a factory system again the blower needs to come off.

[musclemerc]

Delete your PCV system and cut your oil life by 80% and engine life by over 50%.......unless you change you oil every 500 miles!!!:eek:

Read up on what the PCV system actually does and decide for yourself......Also the PCV system does not cost you any power!!:rolleyes:

What's all the fuss about catch cans anyway??:shake:

On my MM which is N/A the upper intake was coated with oil blowing through the PVC valve, the inlet hose was so full of oil it leaked onto the cam cover and made a mess. Now a regular vented catch can will do nothing to stop this but a baffled catch can does work. I've been running my can for a few months now and the hose going to the upper intake is clean and most of all dry. I have been looking through the TB just to verify there's no oil vapors passing and the upper intake track is still unbelieveably clean. So there are benefits to running baffled catch cans.

[FordNut]

Delete your PCV system and cut your oil life by 80% and engine life by over 50%.......unless you change you oil every 500 miles!!!:eek:

Read up on what the PCV system actually does and decide for yourself......Also the PCV system does not cost you any power!!:rolleyes:

What's all the fuss about catch cans anyway??:shake:



On my MM which is N/A the upper intake was coated with oil blowing through the PVC valve, the inlet hose was so full of oil it leaked onto the cam cover and made a mess. Now a regular vented catch can will do nothing to stop this but a baffled catch can does work. I've been running my can for a few months now and the hose going to the upper intake is clean and most of all dry. I have been looking through the TB just to verify there's no oil vapors passing and the upper intake track is still unbelieveably clean. So there are benefits to running baffled catch cans.

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.

[Zack]

LOL at shortened oil life.
LOL at decreased engine expectancy.

[FordNut]

LOL at shortened oil life.
LOL at decreased engine expectancy.

The heating and cooling cycles of an engine will develop condensation. That's water. The PCV system removes that water while it is in vapor form instead of letting it mix with the oil. In addition, any blowby that gets past the rings and into the crankcase will have gasoline vapors in it. The PCV system pulls that out before it mixes with the oil too. As the oil heats up, the gasoline and water may evaporate from the oil since they have a lower boiling point. The PCV system pulls those vapors out instead of just letting them build up inside the crankcase and re-mix with the oil.

Anybody think an oil/water/gasoline mixture as lubricant will extend engine life beyond plain old clean oil?

[CBT]

At the risk of sounding stupid, if adding a catch can extends engine and oil life, why don't cars have one dangling under the hood from the factory?



The heating and cooling cycles of an engine will develop condensation. That's water. The PCV system removes that water while it is in vapor form instead of letting it mix with the oil. In addition, any blowby that gets past the rings and into the crankcase will have gasoline vapors in it. The PCV system pulls that out before it mixes with the oil too. As the oil heats up, the gasoline and water may evaporate from the oil since they have a lower boiling point. The PCV system pulls those vapors out instead of just letting them build up inside the crankcase and re-mix with the oil.

Anybody think an oil/water/gasoline mixture as lubricant will extend engine life beyond plain old clean oil?

[bawazir]

I run the Moroso catch can. Here is where I mounted mine:

http://www.cvmusclecars.com/picture.php?albumid=7&pictureid=297

Also, if you go this route, then get the entire kit from D'Agastino as they are the only ones that have the correct AN to Breather adapters and sell it as a kit with the Moroso can. Just add some -8AN hose and any additional AN elbows and ends and you're finished.

If you want better pictures, let me know.

can you please post more pics?

[musclemerc]

At the risk of sounding stupid, if adding a catch can extends engine and oil life, why don't cars have one dangling under the hood from the factory?

Turbo Volvo's did come with them, I think Subaru's come with them, and their's another Mfg. that puts them on stock too. Mostly factory turbo car's.

[FordNut]

At the risk of sounding stupid, if adding a catch can extends engine and oil life, why don't cars have one dangling under the hood from the factory?

Nobody said that...

A PCV system extends engine and oil life, and the factory puts one on all cars.

A catch can added inline WITH the PCV system keeps the oil vapors from getting back to the intake. The factory obviously doesn't see the vapors as a problem. Many gearheads don't like seeing the oily mess in the intake manifold and believe the oil vapors reduce engine performance.

[musclemerc]

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.


I'm saving this thread, Fordnut actually agreed with me. :D

[CBT]

Turbo Volvo's did come with them, I think Subaru's come with them, and their's another Mfg. that puts them on stock too. Mostly factory turbo car's.

Yes, but this was the statement:

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.

Doesn't mention Volvo's or Subarus or turbo's. My question is, if it such a good idea, why didn't my Marauder come from the factory with it. Overkill? Snake oil? Added peace of mind? Just curious.

[merc]

I have one of these installed in my Marauder. Works pretty good.

http://www.powerhouserp.com/image/cache/mustang-satin-79-billet-catch-can-lrg-400x400.jpg

[FordNut]

Yes, but this was the statement:

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits (of the functional PCV system) include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.

Doesn't mention Volvo's or Subarus or turbo's. My question is, if it such a good idea, why didn't my Marauder come from the factory with it. Overkill? Snake oil? Added peace of mind? Just curious.

Sorry, I should clarify...

[CBT]

Sorry, I should clarify...

Oye, sounds more better to my little brain now lol :beer:

[Joe Walsh]

Yes, but this was the statement:

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.

Doesn't mention Volvo's or Subarus or turbo's. My question is, if it such a good idea, why didn't my Marauder come from the factory with it. Overkill? Snake oil? Added peace of mind? Just curious.

Catch cans are normally for boosted engines, not N/A engines.
Now, if you had a 14:1 CR N/A engine you probably don't want any oil vapors getting plumbed back into the intake by a PCV system.
Oil vapors can cause detonation in high boost engines and high CR engines.

[musclemerc]

Yes, but this was the statement:

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.

Doesn't mention Volvo's or Subarus or turbo's. My question is, if it such a good idea, why didn't my Marauder come from the factory with it. Overkill? Snake oil? Added peace of mind? Just curious.

That's not your original question CBT, IDK why Mercury did'nt put one on our car's but they should have. I just mentioned some Mfg's that do put them on from the factory. Either way they are worth the investment only if it's baffled and closed with no breather's.

[CBT]

Catch cans are normally for boosted engines, not N/A engines.
Now, if you had a 14:1 CR N/A engine you probably don't want any oil vapors getting plumbed back into the intake by a PCV system.
Oil vapors can cause detonation in high boost engines and high CR engines.
Ya, he made it more clear to me, all is well. :beer:

[swordfish]

I don't know if this will help any but I'm putting the JLT Performance PCV Pre-Filters on my car with the eaton swap.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/mustangtuning_2101_10368750

[musclemerc]

I don't know if this will help any but I'm putting the JLT Performance PCV Pre-Filters on my car with the eaton swap.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/mustangtuning_2101_10368750

OK with these you will need two for each side and the PS valve cover will have to be modified for it to work correctly. The fitting on the PS PCV is screw in and these are just push on. The DS will work no problem. Passenger side will be a problem.

[cougar9150]

I have one of these installed in my Marauder. Works pretty good.

http://www.powerhouserp.com/image/cache/mustang-satin-79-billet-catch-can-lrg-400x400.jpg

This is the UPR piece correct? Which P/N or for what year Mustang did you order?

[justbob]

:dunno:My car smells fine. Nothing but farts, and burnt rubber.... Maybe, I'll dust it off and go for a nice leasure drive today. I would get the wrenches out, but almost forgot how to use them since my Trilogy install. LOL

Sorry, wrong side inlet peoples.:D Yes, I had to go there.

[musclemerc]

For those interested here's a company that has an excellent product. The baffle is'nt steel wool like some others and the Ultimate is servicable with an opening lid: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/catchcans.html

[Blackened300a]

For those interested here's a company that has an excellent product. The baffle is'nt steel wool like some others and the Ultimate is servicable with an opening lid: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/catchcans.html

Those are really nice. I have a ton of oil in my intake and I think before I throw the spaz intake on back on the car, I may install one of these.

[LeoVampire]

Yes, but this was the statement:

Yep, adding a trap or catch can to the sealed PCV system is a good way to keep oil out of the intake and maintain the benefits of a functional PCV system. Some of those benefits include avoiding the oily mess that builds up around breathers, the smelly fumes, and a cleaner crankcase which increases engine and oil lifetime.

Doesn't mention Volvo's or Subarus or turbo's. My question is, if it such a good idea, why didn't my Marauder come from the factory with it. Overkill? Snake oil? Added peace of mind? Just curious.


Why do several company's make these catch cans in the first place? It's because car enthusiasts that make modifications to thier cars realize there is an issue with too much oil being recirulated into the intake system and does cause a build up inside of the intake and on the valves and so forth.

Most car manufactures do not worry about this problem because it takes time for the issue to become a problem and usualy after the warenty is done and over with where they are no longer responsable for the repair.

And they also know the everyday Joe is not going to think about servicing them like we would.

[FordNut]

I don't know if this will help any but I'm putting the JLT Performance PCV Pre-Filters on my car with the eaton swap.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/mustangtuning_2101_10368750


OK with these you will need two for each side and the PS valve cover will have to be modified for it to work correctly. The fitting on the PS PCV is screw in and these are just push on. The DS will work no problem. Passenger side will be a problem.

The one that connects through the PCV valve to the intake manifold vacuum is the only one that does anything at all. And this flow-thru design without a trap will probably not do much anyway.

[FordNut]

Why do several company's make these catch cans in the first place? It's because car enthusiasts that make modifications to thier cars realize there is an issue with too much oil being recirulated into the intake system and does cause a build up inside of the intake and on the valves and so forth.

Most car manufactures do not worry about this problem because it takes time for the issue to become a problem and usualy after the warenty is done and over with where they are no longer responsable for the repair.

And they also know the everyday Joe is not going to think about servicing them like we would.

Does it even cause a problem? Many cars are going well over 200k miles these days. Sure, there are oil deposits and puddles in the intake manifold. May not be pretty, but it really doesn't seem to cause reliability problems.

[LeoVampire]

Does it even cause a problem? Many cars are going well over 200k miles these days. Sure, there are oil deposits and puddles in the intake manifold. May not be pretty, but it really doesn't seem to cause reliability problems.

But over time it does cause a performance problem and it does cause the valves to heat up more because of the oil carbon build up on them they can not disapate heat as well through the metal which also effects the valve guides due to the excess heat deing disipated further up the valve stem.

The piston also builds up some cooked oil residue on top of them as well.

Starts to restrict flow inside of the intake runner and on the other side of the engine that cam cover vent tube causes a build up on the throttle body butterfly's which over time can cause them not to seat properly or prevent them from fully opening.

Granted all of this takes a long time to happen depending on how much oil is being blown into the intake system but it steadily gets worse as the engine as more wear and tear happening.

[FordNut]

One could argue the opposite, that the PCV system increases engine life because oil going through through the intake actually help to lubricate the valves, seats, and guides.

[Zack]

This thread is so stressful!
..pardon me while I step out for a breather :eek:

[LeoVampire]

One could argue the opposite, that the PCV system increases engine life because oil going through through the intake actually help to lubricate the valves, seats, and guides.

Sorry but a burnt deposit of sticky oil will never be a benificial thing to any engine part.

Furfaces clean and smooth allow better flow and more heat disipation. No way could an excess build up help.

Why do you think they had a deep pan catch set up inside of air cleaners on carbed cars as well as a breather eliment to keep it from going inside of the carbs and intake?

They all knew it was a bad situation but hard to control. People change what they can easily see hence the breather eliments inside of the air cleaner. A catch can can be a forgetable thing unless it shows how much oil build up is inside of it.

Out of sight out of mind.

[FordNut]

Sorry but a burnt deposit of sticky oil will never be a benificial thing to any engine part.

Furfaces clean and smooth allow better flow and more heat disipation. No way could an excess build up help.

Why do you think they had a deep pan catch set up inside of air cleaners on carbed cars as well as a breather eliment to keep it from going inside of the carbs and intake?

They all knew it was a bad situation but hard to control. People change what they can easily see hence the breather eliments inside of the air cleaner. A catch can can be a forgetable thing unless it shows how much oil build up is inside of it.

Out of sight out of mind.


And yet people swear by running seafoam through their intake and burning it in the combustion chamber. Top cylinder lube, I believe.

[LeoVampire]

And yet people swear by running seafoam through their intake and burning it in the combustion chamber. Top cylinder lube, I believe.

Sea foam disipates easily oil does not!!! Leave oil out in the open in a measuring cup and see if it disipates? Seafoam will!

And if you heat oil up inside of somthing it becomes thick and sticky with enough heat if there is not a constant flow or movment.

[FordNut]

All of the really high mileage Marauders (150k, 200k, or more) that I know of have the OEM type PCV system intact. Without a trap or catch can. How could it be that the oil getting into the intake system through the PCV valve is so bad?

[LeoVampire]

All of the really high mileage Marauders (150k, 200k, or more) that I know of have the OEM type PCV system intact. Without a trap or catch can. How could it be that the oil getting into the intake system through the PCV valve is so bad?

I bet you will see a build up of crusty oil sitting on the underside of the valves and some discoloration in the metal due to it from not being able to disipate the heat properly.

You can not tell me that is a good deal for any engine or part I am sorry.

How many customers engines have you rebuilt in your life time or even had apart where you can see the results from this problem that is hard to avoid?

If it was no big deal car manufactures would never have created the breather eliment set up and just let the oil flow into the carb.

How many carbs have needed to be rebuilt or replaced due to them sticking from this problem? How many have you done?

[musclemerc]

This thread is so stressful!
..pardon me while I step out for a breather :eek:

+1 Zack!!!!!!

[FordNut]

I bet you will see a build up of crusty oil sitting on the underside of the valves and some discoloration in the metal due to it from not being able to disipate the heat properly.

You can not tell me that is a good deal for any engine or part I am sorry.

How many customers engines have you rebuilt in your life time or even had apart where you can see the results from this problem that is hard to avoid?

If it was no big deal car manufactures would never have created the breather eliment set up and just let the oil flow into the carb.

How many carbs have needed to be rebuilt or replaced due to them sticking from this problem? How many have you done?

Just sayin, the longest lasting engines seem to have the system intact.

I don't rebuild customer's engines, I work on my own stuff. Keep business and pleasure separate or the pleasure becomes work. But many many engines I've opened up had those deposits and still were working fine.

I suppose I was rebuilding carbs when you were still sh tting yellow.

What does that have to do with the PCV system? If you really know how the system works, the connection to the breather/air filter is the INLET to the crankcase through one valve cover and the connection from the other valve cover to the carburetor spacer plate or intake manifold is the outlet. The filter on the tube you're talking about is intended to filter the air before it goes into the crankcase, as you may have noticed it is connected to the air filter housing before the air filter for the carburetor so it wouldn't be filtered otherwise. The reason oil builds up there is when the carburetor butterflies are opened up the vacuum goes away so blowby can go backward through the inlet tube to the air filter enclosure. Then those vapors are filtered by the air filter before they go into the carburetor.

[LeoVampire]

Just sayin, the longest lasting engines seem to have the system intact.

I don't rebuild customer's engines, I work on my own stuff. Keep business and pleasure separate or the pleasure becomes work. But many many engines I've opened up had those deposits and still were working fine.

I suppose I was rebuilding carbs when you were still sh tting yellow.

What does that have to do with the PCV system? If you really know how the system works, the connection to the breather/air filter is the INLET to the crankcase through one valve cover and the connection from the other valve cover to the carburetor spacer plate or intake manifold is the outlet. The filter on the tube you're talking about is intended to filter the air before it goes into the crankcase, as you may have noticed it is connected to the air filter housing before the air filter for the carburetor so it wouldn't be filtered otherwise. The reason oil builds up there is when the carburetor butterflies are opened up the vacuum goes away so blowby can go backward through the inlet tube to the air filter enclosure. Then those vapors are filtered by the air filter before they go into the carburetor.


Why all the filters and catch area's to try and stop the oil and dirt and so forth from going in the engine if it is not harmfull?

If oil was ment to go into the combustion chamber they would have set it up to happen in the first place.

[n3fvg]

I just installed the same from Billet Technologies into my Charger and it works well...no breather filter on top and just over $100 with shipping!
:beer:


I have one of these installed in my Marauder. Works pretty good.

http://www.powerhouserp.com/image/cache/mustang-satin-79-billet-catch-can-lrg-400x400.jpg

[musclemerc]

^^^^If it's not baffled then you defeated the purpose. Oil vapors will still coat the intake.

[FordNut]

Why all the filters and catch area's to try and stop the oil and dirt and so forth from going in the engine if it is not harmfull?.
Actually, they put filters in place to keep dirt out of the engine. They put baffles in place to keep oil in the engine.


If oil was ment to go into the combustion chamber they would have set it up to happen in the first place.
They did. PCV systems have been around since the 60's.

I do remember some of the 50's and early 60's cars that had a crankcase vent tube instead of a PCV system. Dripping oil everywhere you parked it.

[LeoVampire]

The argument has been made now the choice is up to all of you on what you want for your own engine's.

I am bowing out of this one.

[bawazir]

No more smell, really the only problem i had with the smell it was the driver side breather, knowing the fact the breather being so close to my firewall the smell was really really strong , I fixed it with a simple a heater hose extend and a new L shape breather. and mounted it all the way by the battry, Drove the car for 2 hours, NO SMELL , THANK YOU GOD,

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_4941.JPG (http://javascript<b></b>:;)


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_4943.JPG (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_4946.JPG (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

Well you got the point

[Marauderjack]

Why all the filters and catch area's to try and stop the oil and dirt and so forth from going in the engine if it is not harmfull?

If oil was ment to go into the combustion chamber they would have set it up to happen in the first place.


Ever heard of upper cylinder lubrication??:cool:

I have used it (secret) from day one and at 214K miles I use ZERO oil between 5K mile changes....first time ever I have had an engine that uses no oil and lasted this long!!!:bows:

Do as you please but Brian is right.....PCV oil vapors hurt nothing at all!!!:shake:

I'm outta here too.....TOO MUCH BICKERING over nothing!!:shake:

[LeoVampire]

Upper cylinder yes but not in the combustion chamber.

First sign of a major problem with the rings and valve seals is gas mixing with the oil and oil on the spark plugs right?

A 2 stroke engine is designed to run fuel and oil together and it uses a special oil to accomplish this lubrication effect in measured amounts.

BTW Bawazir cool and glad it works for you both in looks and functionality.

[Marauderjack]

Upper cylinder yes but not in the combustion chamber.

First sign of a major problem with the rings and valve seals is gas mixing with the oil and oil on the spark plugs right?

A 2 stroke engine is designed to run fuel and oil together and it uses a special oil to accomplish this lubrication effect in measured amounts.

BTW Bawazir cool and glad it works for you both in looks and functionality.


BINGO......you win a teddy bear son!!!:beer:

[Blackened300a]

Actually, they put filters in place to keep dirt out of the engine. They put baffles in place to keep oil in the engine.


They did. PCV systems have been around since the 60's.

I do remember some of the 50's and early 60's cars that had a crankcase vent tube instead of a PCV system. Dripping oil everywhere you parked it.

True, my 62 Starfire has a vent that comes out of the valve cover and lets the oil drip downward. My uncles 65 has Edlebrock valve covers with breathers on both sides. Basically the same thing except the oil collects in a steel wire mesh rather then dripping out

Bawazir, that rigged up breather looks like hell. Something on your firewall or maybe your windshield has a bad seal and thats why you are smelling the fumes. There has to be a better way to finding a solution rather then 3 ft of hose ran to your battery.

[bawazir]

True, my 62 Starfire has a vent that comes out of the valve cover and lets the oil drip downward. My uncles 65 has Edlebrock valve covers with breathers on both sides. Basically the same thing except the oil collects in a steel wire mesh rather then dripping out

Bawazir, that rigged up breather looks like hell. Something on your firewall or maybe your windshield has a bad seal and thats why you are smelling the fumes. There has to be a better way to finding a solution rather then 3 ft of hose ran to your battery.


The setup i have done just temporary , I just orderd my catch system from summit http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G1304/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G1304/)

I will run 2 hose in one like the picture below:
No pcv, no breather on the valve cover, just a catch system with breather mounted on top. and mount that sucker by the battry and call it a day , hopfully this system will not harm my engine .

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/furrrrrr.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

[ImpalaSlayer]

moving the breather maybe 3 feet fixed your problem? :confused:

[TooManyFords]

A PCV system extends engine and oil life, and the factory puts one on all cars.

Now, this is my *personal* opinion...

The only reason we have PCV systems on cars today is because the EPA mandated the removal of the fumes from the crankcase from being vented to the atmosphere. They can spin this anyway they want, but that's it.

As for why I run one, because I have no other place to plumb one on my car. I seriously considered getting the headers modified like most race-only cars do, but felt this was better and I can recycle the oil in the can and be a little bit eco-friendly.

[TooManyFords]

can you please post more pics?
Yes, I will get them in the morning for you.

[FordNut]

Now, this is my *personal* opinion...

The only reason we have PCV systems on cars today is because the EPA mandated the removal of the fumes from the crankcase from being vented to the atmosphere. They can spin this anyway they want, but that's it.

As for why I run one, because I have no other place to plumb one on my car. I seriously considered getting the headers modified like most race-only cars do, but felt this was better and I can recycle the oil in the can and be a little bit eco-friendly.

It would be nice to see a scientific test, same car and same driving conditions, first with the PCV system then with breathers. Send oil off for testing after 5k and see how it compares.

[fastblackmerc]

The setup i have done just temporary , I just orderd my catch system from summit http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G1304/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G1304/)

I will run 2 hose in one like the picture below:
No pcv, no breather on the valve cover, just a catch system with breather mounted on top. and mount that sucker by the battry and call it a day , hopfully this system will not harm my engine .

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/furrrrrr.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

OK, so you still haven't moved the fumes from under the hood and now you'll have a oily mess by the battery :shake::shake:

[Big Black Beast]

Everybody knows that batteries work better with a film of oily goo on them.

[-Matt-]

Wow! That is a good deal! Thanks Matt, But i was just wondring would that hold 2 hose? i got 2 in both side. or i should buy 2?


No, you tee it off like zack did then it goes into the one hole ya dork

[fastblackmerc]

For those interested here's a company that has an excellent product. The baffle is'nt steel wool like some others and the Ultimate is servicable with an opening lid: http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/catchcans.html

Would anyone be interested in a group buy for the 42draftdesigns stealth catch can? One of their resellers has a store close by. I'll stop by and see what they can do for us.

It's the stealth catch can NOT the ultimate catch can...........

Here it is: http://42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/catchcans.html

[bawazir]

Would anyone be interested in a group buy for the 42draftdesigns stealth catch can? One of their resellers has a store close by. I'll stop by and see what they can do for us.

It's the stealth catch can NOT the ultimate catch can...........

Here it is: http://42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/catchcans.html

ask him if he could do $60 each

[musclemerc]

You obviously can't see the value in a part like this. You won't get it that cheap! Sheesh! That's why I quickly exited the catch can business. :shake:
Good Luck Fastblackmerc with the group buy

[bawazir]

You obviously can't see the value in a part like this. You won't get it that cheap! Sheesh! That's why I quickly exited the catch can business. :shake:
Good Luck Fastblackmerc with the group buy


If it is a group and we have atleast 20 people he should do it for 60

[musclemerc]

1st there won't be 20 guy's. 2nd that's more than half off. 3rd your a cheap bastage!
How much would it be worth to keep the oil and vapors off that Eaton of yours? I would think more than that!

[fastblackmerc]

If it is a group and we have atleast 20 people he should do it for 60

I'll check on Monday.

$60.00.............. I highly doubt it.

I'd be happy to get one for $90.00 or $100.00.

[bawazir]

I'll check on Monday.

$60.00.............. I highly doubt it.

I'd be happy to get one for $90.00 or $100.00.

Fine $65+ free shipping trust me he do it, if you get 5 to 7 people

[LeoVampire]

1st there won't be 20 guy's. 2nd that's more than half off. 3rd your a cheap bastage!
How much would it be worth to keep the oil and vapors off that Eaton of yours? I would think more than that!

You have to get what you need to make them and then do the work and ship them out to everyone.

Plus your not a big shop or business where a ton of guys can make them for you. What did you say @ first $75.00 plus shipping I think?

Considering what is out there and how much they can cost I would say your price was resonable and I was ready to get one when I could swing it.

Your work you decied don't get pushed into something your not happy about then the effert is not worth it and not fulfilling.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Fine $65+ free shipping trust me he do it, if you get 5 to 7 people



hahaha :rofl: :laugh:

[-Matt-]

sigh..... some people will never learn

[musclemerc]

Fine $65+ free shipping trust me he do it, if you get 5 to 7 people

:shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:

[massacre]

How many carbs have needed to be rebuilt or replaced due to them sticking from this problem? How many have you done?

Not to be a dick but carbs flow fuel.

[LeoVampire]

Not to be a dick but carbs flow fuel.

Ya I know I was talking about when they get gumed up with oil residue from the PCV system venting into the air cleaner in the old days.

[massacre]

The fuel cleans it somewhat.
And I remember the old days...lol.

[bawazir]

:shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:

Fine my last offer 71 + free shipping but no dice

[musclemerc]

Can someone just kill this thread?

[Blackened300a]

Fine my last offer 71 + free shipping but no dice

I dont know if you are joking or what, but its insulting considering that someone is going to take the time and effort to spearhead this and you are throwing out numbers that won't come close to covering it.
Shipping alone will probably be around $10.

[fastblackmerc]

Fine my last offer 71 + free shipping but no dice

You can make whatever offer you like but I'm the one trying to setup a group buy, so shut your pie-hole and wait until I contact the reseller...... If you don't like the price then make your own half-assed solution.

[MMB03ROZ]

jlt has them now for about the same $

[musclemerc]

Funny but it is the same concept as mine. With the same filter element! JLT should sell alot of them but 2oz is small. You guy's did'nt think it was a good idea but JLT obviously did.

[Zack]

You could run breathers. :eek:

[Motorhead350]

You could run breathers. :eek:

Worked for me!

[LeoVampire]

I know your not all that interested in doing just a few here and there but if you want to do one and set it aside I will take it for your original posting offer and what not.

I will get the cash to you as soon as I have it or just wait till I do get the money to you and I will wait till you made it.

Seemed fair to me and I liked the fact you researched and tryed and tested what you needed to do to make it work right for OUR car's specificly as we talked about in PM's.

[musclemerc]

I know your not all that interested in doing just a few here and there but if you want to do one and set it aside I will take it for your original posting offer and what not.

I will get the cash to you as soon as I have it or just wait till I do get the money to you and I will wait till you made it.

Seemed fair to me and I liked the fact you researched and tryed and tested what you needed to do to make it work right for OUR car's specificly as we talked about in PM's.

Who know's Leo maybe now i'll get some interest. The JLT is 2oz mine is 12oz and a better design. He want's 129.00 for the universal, I wanted 100.00 for the first 5 and afterwards 115.00 shipped. Who knows? :confused:

[Loco1234]

I had not planned to install an oil catch can but I happened upon this one for free
http://intensepower.com/gredoilcatta.html

...So Im figuring why not... Anyone know anything about this model? Is it baffled inside? I haven't opened it up... I do like the fact it does have a sight glass to see if you have oil build up...

[musclemerc]

I had not planned to install an oil catch can but I happened upon this one for free
http://intensepower.com/gredoilcatta.html

...So Im figuring why not... Anyone know anything about this model? Is it baffled inside? I haven't opened it up... I do like the fact it does have a sight glass to see if you have oil build up...

I researched the greedy's and they are not baffled so the vapors will still pass through. Sorry!

[Zack]

bawazir, you can run silica gel in your engine instead of engine oil.
Silica gel will not give off vapors and solve your problem once and for all.

[Loco1234]

I researched the greedy's and they are not baffled so the vapors will still pass through. Sorry!

cool... well hell i got it for free... It was in the house I bought this past year... lol

[musclemerc]

Modify it yourself with a baffle. Otherwise it useless!

[-Matt-]

bawazir, you can run silica gel in your engine instead of engine oil.
Silica gel will not give off vapors and solve your problem once and for all.


This man speaks the truth

[ImpalaSlayer]

musclemerc, i havent forgetten

[bawazir]

Dave i see you just running one breather why not 2

[bawazir]

You can make whatever offer you like but I'm the one trying to setup a group buy, so shut your pie-hole and wait until I contact the reseller...... If you don't like the price then make your own half-assed solution.


OK OK 71.50 my LAAAAAAAAAAAAAST OFFER DAMIT

[ImpalaSlayer]

Dave i see you just running one breather why not 2

the other is hooked up to the intake.

[Blackened300a]

OK OK 71.50 my LAAAAAAAAAAAAAST OFFER DAMIT


Here cheapo, use this as a catch can.
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9468/122320050048vv.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5201/122320050069yl.jpg

[bawazir]

Oh! okay i guss me and Zack got 2 breathers why not you?

[-Matt-]

The one i got:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/marauder%20parts/zackparts004.jpg

[ImpalaSlayer]

oh! Okay i guss me and zack got 2 breathers why not you?

cuz i not col lik use!

[-Matt-]

cuz i not col lik use!


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/1269715660138.jpg

[musclemerc]

Here cheapo, use this as a catch can.
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9468/122320050048vv.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5201/122320050069yl.jpg


Hey Abdul, this is what you really need under the hood. Now that's real quality! :up:

[justbob]

AND it's see thru!:D