Stacy's 04 Pro charged 04

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well I met this man last year and up graded his Pro Charger kit with a air box and a PCV system, he lives out of State, he had some issues with the car several months back, he took the car in to a shop in his area, and he was told the car was running out of fuel and Maf, he was sold a Mafia and a KB BAP, and by his dyno sheet the car was running lean at WOT above 5000 RPM, but the car was making less than 330 RWHP, so to me the 90 MMLM was not the issue the car had a GT pump supposedly installed, by the previous owner and this shop verified it was a GT pump, but he was told he needed a entire fuel system, he could not afford it, and when I was told of this three weeks ago, I called him, I stopped and gave him my car to drive, we brought his car back here yesterday, today I found the BAP turned all the way up. I took the pump out and it was the worst mess I have ever seen, it was a GT pump but the pump wiring was chafed and bare in many spots in had splices and the wrong connectors on the pump. Not only that they never even removed the GT pump from the plastic GT housing, and used a hose clamp at the bottom. No rubber inserts to cut down vibration it was a complete mess.

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I took no chances I found a used assembly at a local yard and I installed a Focus pump.

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I then strapped the car down did one pull FP was 39 PSI or higher at WOT and the FP duty cycle was 60%, I will Post dyno sheets and the video tomorrow. The IAT was a bit high but that is because of the inner cooler and piping but over all the car came out well. Considering the car is all stock except for the S/C.

Hey Dennis,
Here are the numbers from the other shop.
RWHP----337
RWTQ----346



The car made 378/380 at 8 PSI :beer:

[FordNut]

Hard to believe a real shop pulled that crappy pump and fuel hat out for inspection, then simply re-installed it. I guess they saw $$$ and wanted to sell a complete system instead of fixing what was there already.

Good job Dennis.

[LANDY]

wow, that was rigged!
good call on the new assembly.
that new set up looks sharp.:D

[Zack]

Forgive me but where is the focus pump? All I see is a fuel pump ive never seen before.

[CBT]

41 HP gain from just a fuel pump swap, I want one :beer:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Forgive me but where is the focus pump? All I see is a fuel pump ive never seen before.


Zack your forgiven, this is a focus pump taken out of the case, it looks almost identical to the stock Marauder pump seen laying in the back ground, if it will make you feel better I will post the case when I get to the shop.

Just for you.

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[Dennis Reinhart]

41 HP gain from just a fuel pump swap, I want one :beer:


The car never gained this on the pump, it gained it on the fact it could be tuned with more timing, and ran to a higher RPM safely, since the lack of fuel pressure was solved.

[CBT]

The car never gained this on the pump, it gained it on the fact it could be tuned with more timing, and ran to a higher RPM safely, since the lack of fuel pressure was solved.
Either way, sweet :up:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank you, and I fully agree.

[LeoVampire]

So many people wasting money on shotty work @ so many places now a days.

Glad you could help him out Dennis and did a proper job for him plus saved him some cash and headach's!

A friend of mine had bad work done and bad advice given on his 1970 Chevelle a a few too many times and finaly got tired of going back to them over and over again dumping more and more money and still ending up with bad resutls.

First they had to high an intake on the engine for a car that barley see's high speeds going from in state show to show so it hated to idle. Had to have him buy a lower rise intake and install that for him to get the car to run the way he needed. Plus they had no idea how to set the jets on a Holly double pumper and ran rich as hell always shooting carbon out the tail pipe's.

Then they did an MSD ignition system with a rebuilt distributer from the looks of it and had 2 small light weight return springs on the centrificle advance that could not pull the weights back in so when he took his foot off the throttle it would stall basicly every time from being too far advanced.

Plus the rotor contact was not meeting the center carbon pin so it was tossing carbon all over the inside of the cap and wearing the center contact out quickly on the cap.

So called speed shops have to love them!

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well here is the finished product the car made good safe power and is being picked up this Saturday, I was glad I could save this man 2000.00 he we so disappointed he was ready to take the kit off and return the car back to stock. And the shop wanted 1400.00 to take off the S/C and return the car to stock. That is enough to make any one puke.:puke:

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[magindat]

Nice work, Dennis. That piping job needs help, though. I know it was the other shop's existing work. I can get ProCharger pipes tucked!

Swap his intercooler for one of yours with your pipes and change him to blow through = +50 - 65HP easy!

I'm happy to see another ProCharger owner happy!

I AM!!! :D Nice work!

[LANDY]

^^^ what he said.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well it would be nice to grt a Marauder here with a PC, do a pull as is, then add just my inner cooler and piping. I am sure the IAT would make a big drop. And the car could make much more safe power.

[blazen71]

My IATs are 10 deg above ambient with my PC.

[Dennis Reinhart]

My IATs are 10 deg above ambient with my PC.


That may be at 70 MPH but it will not be the case with the car on the dyno or at a dead stop in 100 degree weather or in slow traffic, the problem as you can clearly see is the inner cooler is way up in the grill it is very hard to get a fan to blow directly on it. So when you are tunning these cars on the dyno they heat up real fast on back to back pulls. So it takes much longer to dial them in. The PC inner cooler was made for a Mustang and is half the size of what I use with my pipes and flows twice as much air with less resistance do to the fact my pipes, have half the bends and collars and clamps and are tucked, completely under the car, but.

Rich moved his by pass valve to the the other side of the inlet of the inner cooler this change dramatically lowers IAT at all speeds, since the bypass is bleeding off off compressed heated air before even entering in IC, so for those that cant afford a IC upgrade. I would really recommend this, just remember if the car is a suck through the bypass air must be dumped back into the inlet, if the car is a blow through you can vent it to atmosphere.

[Zack]

Procharger intercoolers are known as being incredibly awesome units.

All PC cars Ive ever driven had IAT's in the 10-15 above ambient range. Its the piping kit that sucks.

Make your pipe/collar kit available to PC owners or DIY'ers and they will fly off the shelf.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Procharger intercoolers are known as being incredibly awesome units.

All PC cars Ive ever driven had IAT's in the 10-15 above ambient range. Its the piping kit that sucks.

Make your pipe/collar kit available to PC owners or DIY'ers and they will fly off the shelf.

That is exactly what I meant, the IC was made for a Mustang, and probably works better and more efficient on a Mustang, you have to use all those bends to make it work on a Marauder this causes loss of boost as well as high IAT, with a different IC that has both inlet and outlet at the bottom, the four 90 degree elbows and ten clamps would not be needed.

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[blazen71]

It's at any speed. I have one of the readouts on my Aeroforce gauge always set at IAT, unless you think my gauge is bad.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thanks for sharing the information.:beer:

[scruff]

Yes i second the motion that PC plumbing is not healthy on a panther hangs way to low i would probally loose that in the first parking lot encountered,,DR your set up is so much more efficent

[Local Boy]

I agree with Rich...

No one's pipes should hang THAT low!

You really should not see it...Unless you want it that way...

Aloha

[ROCOB]

My wife and I made it home from Orange Park Sunday night after driving down Friday night from Commerce GA. Saturday around lunch I went to pick up my car, which Dennis had cleaned up for me, and we took it for a spin. I was riding shotgun and could tell the car was much different. Dennis took a lot of time to explain things to me and I would imagine that he had better things to do than give me an education. We got back to the shop and he showed me the absolute mess that was in my fuel tank. You all saw the pictures. I do feel compelled to make a correction, the previous owner did not install this pump, and I regrettably paid someone local to me for that job. I bought this car last fall from its second owner in Chandler Arizona. On the way home it broke down in Orange Texas at about 1030 on Saturday night on Labor Day weekend. When I pulled the fuel filter the next morning it looked as if it had coffee grounds in it. That is what I call piss poor maintenance that led to mechanical failure. Live and learn.
Anyway, I am not the most knowledgeable person about cars, but I do understand the importance of good soldering, connections, pin connectors, heat shrink, and the like, having worked on radar and weapons systems on F4 phantoms in my younger days and then later as a SatCom/Wideband type in a combat comm. unit. When Dennis discovered this grenade with the pin ½ pulled, he called me. Suffice it to say that he was less than complimentary of the fuel pump install and the individual that put it in. A shop in Atlanta did drop the tank, inspect the set-up, said yes it does have a GT fuel pump in it, said it looks fine and put it back together. They also said that I need to upgrade the entire fuel system to ensure that I would have adequate fuel supply for my set up. I have used the search function enough and read enough posts to know that my procharger set-up making a whopping 8#s does not need a $1900.00 fuel system upgrade. I was quite frustrated, disappointed, low on money and patience, and had a car that could not be enjoyed for fear of detonation and munching the motor. I called a gentleman at Team Toyland and asked if he would be willing to put it back to stock. He said yes. I also sought council from Zack and Dennis. Both agreed that something was missed and both were spot on. Dennis made me an offer that was hard to turn down. He called me before going to Kentucky and said that he would find the problem, fix the problem, tune the car, or put it back to stock if he could not, or if I was not satisfied. I did not know logistically how I was going to pull this off, with my schedule. You would think that it would be easy but I am a family man and my job does not allow last minute changes. Dennis asked if I would be willing to drive his marauder while he worked out the kinks in mine and return it to him when the work was completed. The answer was yes. I met up with him last Monday, made the swap, and the rest is history. He did exactly what he said he would. My wife and I took out the car to St Augustine Saturday and had a relaxing day. That night we joined Dennis and his wife Sheila for a good meal and great time. The trip home Sunday we averaged a little over 19 MPG, which included dyno time, some city driving, and a few pulls on my own. Second tank, mainly highway miles, with more testing, netted 21.5 MPG. The cruise was set on 80 mph and the car has 3:55 gears. The car has much better manners, the transmission shifts so much better than before and I now have a car that I can fully enjoy. I am beyond pleased with the outcome, will be saving money for future upgrades, and will head back to Orange Park Florida when it is time.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank you Stacy. Both Sheila and I had a great time, and I was glad I was able to fix the car.

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[FordNut]

A shop in Atlanta did drop the tank, inspect the set-up, said yes it does have a GT fuel pump in it, said it looks fine and put it back together. They also said that I need to upgrade the entire fuel system to ensure that I would have adequate fuel supply for my set up. I have used the search function enough and read enough posts to know that my procharger set-up making a whopping 8#s does not need a $1900.00 fuel system upgrade.

That is terrible. Obviously using someones inexperience to try and make a sale instead of properly fixing the fuel pump. It would have been pretty simple to fix what was there so it would be reliable but they tried to pull a slick move instead. Kind of like the guys at shady shops with a syringe filled with oil to squirt on shock absorbers to make a sale.

Glad it is fixed up for you now.

[GAMike]

Glad to see this. I remember SSHS9 and the dissapointment of not being able to enjoy the car Stacy.

Nice job Dennis. Don't know too many people that would do everything it took here to deal with this situation.
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Know you have caught alot of flack in the past Dennis. From me and others (some deserved, some maybe not so much), and yes we in the Marauder community can be a prickly, overbearing, authoritative, micro managing bunch to deal with............. Efforts like these need to be recognized for what they are..... Above and beyond:beer:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank you Mike it means a lot to me, as I have said all along this was the very first Marauder site, in my opinion it is the most informative site about the Marauder on the internet, there are more technical expertise and posts here covering every supercharger sold for this car, and it has the finest owners any one could ever be blessed to meet and know.:beer:

[CWright]

Glad to hear it worked out well for you Stacy. Dennis worked on my car as well as you can see from my signature. Hope to see you at some of the next meets around the ATL. We had a blast this past Saturday. Heard some good things about you from Mike. Anyway, glad to hear it all worked out. I knew Dennis would take good care of you.

Dennis, Awesome job!:2thumbs:

[LANDY]

Stacy, i didnt know that was your car. well im very glad you got it all good now thanks to Dennis. time to finally enjoy the car, not everyone lets you have their almost 600rwhp marauder for a couple of days. hope to see you at SSHS10.:beer:

[ROCOB]

That is terrible. Obviously using someones inexperience to try and make a sale instead of properly fixing the fuel pump. It would have been pretty simple to fix what was there so it would be reliable but they tried to pull a slick move instead. Kind of like the guys at shady shops with a syringe filled with oil to squirt on shock absorbers to make a sale.

Glad it is fixed up for you now.

I totally agree FordNut, looking forward to meeting you. I am told you make it down our way sometimes for breakfast. Are you planning on coming down for SSHS10? I would like to check out your set up. By the way, the Eliminator was one of my favorite bikes to ride a few years back, nasty zero to sixty back then.


Glad to see this. I remember SSHS9 and the disappointment of not being able to enjoy the car Stacy.

Nice job Dennis. Don't know too many people that would do everything it took here to deal with this situation.
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Know you have caught alot of flack in the past Dennis. From me and others (some deserved, some maybe not so much), and yes we in the Marauder community can be a prickly, overbearing, authoritative, micro managing bunch to deal with............. Efforts like these need to be recognized for what they are..... Above and beyond:beer:
Thanks Mike, SSHS9, well actually the TNT the night before was a disappointment. I met a lot of nice folks that weekend and look forward to meeting more this year. Speaking of Dennis, he most certainly went above and beyond. I will be glad to give you the details sometime. Pretty safe to say he turned chicken#@&$ into chicken salad.



Glad to hear it worked out well for you Stacy. Dennis worked on my car as well as you can see from my signature. Hope to see you at some of the next meets around the ATL. We had a blast this past Saturday. Heard some good things about you from Mike. Anyway, glad to hear it all worked out. I knew Dennis would take good care of you.

Dennis, Awesome job!:2thumbs:
CWRight, have not met you yet, but I am looking forward to meeting you and perhaps going for a ride in your Marauder. I saw it last year in Orange Park and was taken back at how clean it was. I am told it can move out smartly. I am sure we will get to meet up at Cracker Barrel sometime this spring or summer. Mike had good things to say about me, glad my pay off is paying off :D.


Stacy, i didnt know that was your car. well im very glad you got it all good now thanks to Dennis. time to finally enjoy the car, not everyone lets you have their almost 600rwhp marauder for a couple of days. hope to see you at SSHS10.:beer:
Hey Landy, Yep, the same one you helped me fabricate the pulley tensioner on at SSHS9. I am definitely looking forward to catching up with you guys @ SSHS10. Watched your videos, going to try some drag radials and shoot for the 11s? :burnout:

[FordNut]

Might even make it down for a Cracker Barrel breakfast soon. Got another interview coming up in a couple of weeks, so if I get hired I'll be able to buy gas to make the trip. Unemployment doesn't go far.

[LANDY]

this time if im racing, i will trailer the car. like that im not worried if something breaks.
i will definately be there tho.

[Kennyrauder]

Dennis, I would love to do some parts business with you again. It really looks like you have re committed yourself to automotive excellence. Congratulations. Call me, Kenny 705 264 0234

[CWright]

Sounds like we are all in for some fun! More and more showing up will be great. I'm hoping to make the May meet, atleast for breakfast.

I think Mike is working it out to take a "quick":D:burnout:trip over the Anderson S.C. after going to Mo's(Marty's) that morning.

Yea Stacy, got watch out for Brother Mike (hehehehe!) He did speak highly of you. With all these cars hopefully the next poboyz car show will have more Marauders. Thanks for the compliments on my car. Didn't realize you were down there last year at that time.

Again, glad to see your putting out the power now and your happy with ride! Now we will have 2 or maybe 3 Siver Birch's there. :beer:

[ROCOB]

Apparently Dennis discovered that the adjustable pedal system on my car did not work while he had my car. I bumped the switch over the weekend while showing the car to a friend and noted that the pedals actually moved more than a quarter of an inch. In fact they now operate as they should have all along. Quite a nice surprise, thanks Dennis.:banana:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well heck, I had to do it because my legs are a lot shorter that yours:)

[Kennyrauder]

Dennis I know My system with the Vortec is old tech. What is blow thru technology? Don't bust your butt on explaining it... a few words would be nice.How 'bout my PCV mod . You said there was a Steeda System ? Kenny

[Dennis Reinhart]

Kenny you asked me in email about a filter in keeping oil from coming from the valve cover, Steed has that, the simple difference in a blow through/suck though is where the maf is placed, suck through is on the inlet of the SC. Blow through is on the discharge or boost side and the maf goes in on the pipe leading to the throttle body.