Headers

[bawazir]

I have a buddy who is going to make me long tube headers for $500? Basically the headers going be custom made, it will be stainless steel material for our Marauders and it will have an optional 02 sensor and EGR holes, What do you guys think 500 + shipping is a good deal?
Would you invest in this deal?

[ntd]

I payed more than that. You should get them do a before and after dyno comparison lets see how they stack up to Kooks or SW headers.

[PSG]

depends on quality

[bawazir]

depends on quality


He will try his best to make it 100% good quality, each headers will be hand made , laser cut professionally and pressure tested for any leak , I will get more info from him this week about this

[Adam12]

im in on them

[knine]

He'll be dissapointed when you don't show.

[bawazir]

Someone asked me if the Marauders headers would fit the Crown vic ?????

[bawazir]

He'll be dissapointed when you don't show.

:lol: :lol:

[FordNut]

Pics of prototype headers...

[justbob]

Pics of prototype headers...
Zoomies FTW LOL:D

[bawazir]

Pics of prototype headers...

Soon i will have a prototype test them , show them, and than buy them , if you guys want, All i care about the best quality and how dose it fit

[SC Cheesehead]

Pics of prototype headers...

:rofl: Will save investing in cut-outs with these rascals...:D

[FordNut]

Rev 2 headers...

[FordNut]

Soon i will have a prototype test them , show them, and than buy them , if you guys want, All i care about the best quality and how dose it fit
sorry, I already have headers. Good luck on the project.

Someone asked me if the Marauders headers would fit the Crown vic ?????
No. 2V vs 4V heads, exhaust ports are different.

[SC Cheesehead]

sorry, I already have headers. Good luck on the project.

No. 2V vs 4V heads, exhaust ports are different.

Nah, I heard Bazzlebear's guys is gonna go the "universal fit" route...

[FordNut]

Adapter flanges?

[SC Cheesehead]

Adapter flanges?

Now you're talking! That, and adjustable length tubes and those babys will fit durn-near anything. ;)

[SC Cheesehead]

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/2/3/5/9/4/webimg/123992436_tp.jpg

http://www.excaliburtools.com/shop/images/P/metalcutterexcalibur.jpg

Optional sizing kit

[bawazir]

Nah, I heard Bazzlebear's guys is gonna go the "universal fit" route...

i care less about the crown vic, but as i said someone was asking me if they fit or not, I use my car as a test fit, and if they fit it will be under my budget, i guess everyones budget

[bawazir]

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/2/3/5/9/4/webimg/123992436_tp.jpg

http://www.excaliburtools.com/shop/images/P/metalcutterexcalibur.jpg

Optional sizing kit

:banned::banned:

[knine]

O.K., everybody get over to the secret "Bawazir can't find us here...supporting members only" thread so we can have fun with this. ;)

[SC Cheesehead]

I have a buddy who is going to make me long tube headers for $500? Basically the headers going be custom made, it will be stainless steel material for our Marauders and it will have an optional 02 sensor and EGR holes, What do you guys think 500 + shipping is a good deal?
Would you invest in this deal?


i care less about the crown vic, but as i said someone was asking me if they fit or not, I use my car as a test fit, and if they fit it will be under my budget, i guess everyones budget

Has the guy ever made up a set of headers before? Does he plan to use either a set of SW or Kooks as templates, or is he going to start from scratch?

If the latter, I'd consider this offer real carefully, as he's going to have to measure, fit, and bend eight separate tubes, plus fit them into collectors, this along with welding to mounting flanges that will have to be layed out and then fabricated. You're not gonna do this in 8 hours.

All this for $500 bucks? He's either:

(A) a real good friend that will do the work at a loss.

(B) a very poor estimator that will end up doing the work at a loss.

(C) a hack that will cobble something together and throw it on your car.

I know you're looking for a decent price for headers, but you may want to re-consider your plan. Kooks or SW are prolly a better option than a one-off set of custom built headers unless the builder is very familar with header construction.

[fastblackmerc]

Has the guy ever made up a set of headers before? Does he plan to use either a set of SW or Kooks as templates, or is he going to start from scratch?

If the latter, I'd consider this offer real carefully, as he's going to have to measure, fit, and bend eight separate tubes, plus fit them into collectors, this along with welding to mounting flanges that will have to be layed out and then fabricated. You're not gonna do this in 8 hours.

All this for $500 bucks? He's either:

(A) a real good friend that will do the work at a loss.

(B) a very poor estimator that will end up doing the work at a loss.

(C) a hack that will cobble something together and throw it on your car.

I know you're looking for a decent price for headers, but you may want to re-consider your plan. Kooks or SW are prolly a better option than a one-off set of custom built headers unless the builder is very familar with header construction.

This is going to be a joke......

[SC Cheesehead]

This is going to be a joke......

I'd LOVE to get a set of new LT headers, but to believe I could get 'em for $500? Seriously, you're looking at around 25 ft of stainless tubing; 1 1/2" I.D. 316 stainless will set you back at least a couple $100, plus the flat stock for the port and collector flanges as well as a couple pieces of 3"-4" dia. SS tubing for the collectors, add in welding rod or wire...parts alone are going to total close to $400, and then get somebody to design, layout, fab, fit, and weld the whole works into a set of usable headers for a $100?

We should all have friends like this...

[ImpalaSlayer]

i voted before i read the thread.


FAIL

[TooManyFords]

What do you guys think 500 + shipping is a good deal?
Would you invest in this deal?

This is really two questions. I said Yes, it was a good deal, but I should have said "No, I would not invest" as I have headers...

[fordfrk347]

Let's see the prototype first. Headers are next on my list and I hate to spend over 1k on some headers.

[MrBluGruv]

Let's see the prototype first. Headers are next on my list and I hate to spend over 1k on some headers.

+1

I can understand how they are expensive, but $1000 in parts alone, minimum, is a lot to budget for for some folks.

Bawazir, be sure to keep detailed updates going on this project, this is a big thing to just get peoples' hopes up for.

[fastblackmerc]

i voted before i read the thread.


FAIL
Same here.

[Spectragod]

+1

I can understand how they are expensive, but $1000 in parts alone, minimum, is a lot to budget for for some folks.

Bawazir, be sure to keep detailed updates going on this project, this is a big thing to just get peoples' hopes up for.

Speed = $$$$$, it's just that simple.:shake: If it costs too much for you to get the right part, then you should have probably bought something with a 350 Chevy motor in it, those parts are cheap.

Flame suit on............

[justbob]

Headers do not need to cost $1000.00. I would personally rather spend the downtime in designing my own before i'd ever give them what they want price wise.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Headers do not need to cost $1000.00. I would personally rather spend the downtime in designing my own before i'd ever give them what they want price wise.

homie didnt pay no 1k. i paid about 700 new for my kooks.

[-Matt-]

$600 kooks here.... lol

[Spectragod]

Headers do not need to cost $1000.00. I would personally rather spend the downtime in designing my own before i'd ever give them what they want price wise.

I didn't pay 1k for my SW's either. I would rather have a product that I can....

bolt on.
know it will fit.
know it will improve performance.
look good out the gate.

My time is worth more than the cost of the headers, i.e. hours fabbing up something, only to find that it didn't improve anything.

Sometimes it's cheaper to buy your way out.

[SC Cheesehead]

homie didnt pay no 1k. i paid about 700 new for my kooks.


$600 kooks here.... lol


I didn't pay 1k for my SW's either. I would rather have a product that I can....

bolt on.
know it will fit.
know it will improve performance.
look good out the gate.

My time is worth more than the cost of the headers, i.e. hours fabbing up something, only to find that it didn't improve anything.

Sometimes it's cheaper to buy your way out.

That was my point with the one-off. Both Kooks and SW are products that have been designed and proven. The fabbing, testing, and mods have already been done, and the jigs built to allow consistent replication.

I'm not saying that one-offs won't work, but to expect that somebody can do this for $500, and produce something of similar quality to an established product is a tall order.

[fordfrk347]

I think Kooks or SW needs to offer a non stainless version kind of like Bassani did with their BX series. Would drop the price a bit.

[MrBluGruv]

I'd like to know how some of you guys paid so little for your long tubes, All I see on Kooks' and Stainless Works' website is a little under $1000 for headers alone and it just goes up from there. Is it just too late in the game to get a deal like that any more?

[musclemerc]

^^^ find them used or get luck on a group buy.

[MrBluGruv]

One member mentioned $700 for kooks new. I could believe the $600 and $700 numbers for used, especially if they were in good shape, but the "new" part is what got me.

[Paul T. Casey]

I think Kooks or SW needs to offer a non stainless version kind of like Bassani did with their BX series. Would drop the price a bit.

After you put your first set on, you'll be glad that they're stainless and will last for a few years.

[musclemerc]

If the guy is a professional header guy, then many will benefit from this. If the guy is just a welder then there will be problems, especially for $500.00. Anyone think about the bends? Will they be crush bent or mandrel bent? Or is he just gonna cut pipe at angles and put them all together with a million welds? How about the flanges? Car Craft is out of business and are not selling them any more. The finish coating? There are alot of variables to making a good header work.

[SC Cheesehead]

If the guy is a professional header guy, then many will benefit from this. If the guy is just a welder then there will be problems, especially for $500.00. Anyone think about the bends? Will they be crush bent or mandrel bent? Or is he just gonna cut pipe at angles and put them all together with a million welds? How about the flanges? Car Craft is out of business and are not selling them any more. The finish coating? There are alot of variables to making a good header work.


Yup, this is where I was coming from with my previous posts.

and,

big +1 on that!

[ImpalaSlayer]

One member mentioned $700 for kooks new. I could believe the $600 and $700 numbers for used, especially if they were in good shape, but the "new" part is what got me.

i paied a touch over 700 for my NEW kooks. this is fact

[MrBluGruv]

i paied a touch over 700 for my NEW kooks. this is fact

Would you mind elaborating on when and how please?

I believe you, it just blows my mind considering how much they seem to cost now. :P

[ImpalaSlayer]

it was last june ish and i ordered from my tuner

[bawazir]

Well this week he should give me a call, i will let you guys know any updates, We are talking about the replica and what date it should be done, i will see how they fit take photos and videos, it would be around $500 + shipping stainless steel headers only and he told me the minimum order should be 10, i keep you guys updated after i get mine