V-1 on a Marauder?

[-Matt-]

Thinking about upgrading my V-2 s-trim to a V-1 Heavy duty T-trim.

Has any of the vortech guys run the V-1?

Anything I should look out for?

Pictures?

Thanks!

Matt

[RacerX]

Hmmm... any dibs on the floormatts, oops, I mean V-2 if you do this? ;)

[Zack]

MMMMMMMM T-Trim :drool:


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/4/Marauder002.jpg

[ntd]

Thinking about upgrading my V-2 s-trim to a V-1 Heavy duty T-trim.

Has any of the vortech guys run the V-1?

Anything I should look out for?

Pictures?

Thanks!

Matt

Pops has a T-trim on his GM, I have the Paxton version of a T-trim it's self lubricated. From what I have seen some that had and S-trim and went to a T-trim have complained that the S-trim is better for a street car and more responsive than the T-trim in the midrange. There is a really nice discussion on MF about the T-trim

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php/149914-Vortech-T-trim-guys

[Phrog_gunner]

Thinking about upgrading my V-2 s-trim to a V-1 Heavy duty T-trim.

Has any of the vortech guys run the V-1?

Anything I should look out for?

Pictures?

Thanks!

Matt


The new boost is already not enough for you?:burnout:

[CBT]

Matty, send me wiring instructions for the water pump if the one in the pic is the same as the one I bought from ya.

[-Matt-]

Matty, send me wiring instructions for the water pump if the one in the pic is the same as the one I bought from ya.


Thats not my car.. thats Zacks... call him about it. :P

[-Matt-]

Pops has a T-trim on his GM, I have the Paxton version of a T-trim it's self lubricated. From what I have seen some that had and S-trim and went to a T-trim have complained that the S-trim is better for a street car and more responsive than the T-trim in the midrange. There is a really nice discussion on MF about the T-trim

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php/149914-Vortech-T-trim-guys


Thats actually the oppisite that i have heard. The guys at Vortech state that the T-trim should be more responsive throughout the range of boost (esp the heavy duty ones with the straight teeth gearing) and that it would be the direction i should go.

Zack is that the V-1? Im more worried about the difference in mounting and belt/pulley issues.

[-Matt-]

Hmmm... any dibs on the floormatts, oops, I mean V-2 if you do this? ;)


If you are seriously interested we could work something out

[Zack]

My setup pictured has a 96-98 Cobra timing cover and blower bracket.
A T-Trim will bolt right up to what you have.
FYI I made 520/465 with a T-Trim at 13psi on a stock, junkyard engine years ago. The throttle response is awesome and never stops pulling.

[-Matt-]

My setup pictured has a 96-98 Cobra timing cover and blower bracket.
A T-Trim will bolt right up to what you have.
FYI I made 520/465 with a T-Trim at 13psi on a stock, junkyard engine years ago. The throttle response is awesome and never stops pulling.

Do you remember if it was a V-1 or a modded V-2?


What i think im going for:

Vortech V-1 T-Trim Supercharger

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/prod_imgs/img-4-0-large.jpg (http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/prod_imgs/img-4-0-xlarge.jpg)View larger image (http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/prod_imgs/img-4-0-xlarge.jpg)

Performance Specs

Max Speed: 55000 RPM Max Boost: 26 PSI Max Flow: 1200 CFM Max Power: 825 HP Peak Efficiency: 73% Performance specs apply to units equipped with heavy duty gearcase.
Dimensions

Discharge OD: 2.75" Inlet OD: 3.75" Discharge ID: 2.38" Inducer Diameter: 3.29"
The supercharger of choice for street/strip vehicles with modified engines

Straight cut spur gear
Available with straight or curved discharge and clockwise or counterclockwise rotation
Part numbers below do not include drive pulley
8.75" Wide, 9.44" Tall, 5.52" Deep (not including input shaft)
Superchargers exceeding 6 PSI require a Vortech standard bypass valve or a Vortech Maxflow racing bypass valve.
Superchargers exceeding 10 PSI require a Vortech Maxflow Mondo or Maxflow racing bypass valve.
Cog belt drive systems are recommended for all heavy duty superchargers

Warranty Information

No Warranty No warranty on race/heavy-duty superchargers.

[-Matt-]

........ and i would totally get it polished like the one shown ;);)

[RR|Suki]

I can see what they are saying about the bigger vs smaller blowers. I read the same thing in fast fords or something where they put a novi 1000 and a 2000 on a 4v and made the same comments.

I would agree with those concerns at low hp. When I first bought my car it was very much the case that the lower end wasn't all there. However once you make a little power there is no issue. I made 500 and some on 9 psi the past couple years before the new pulley this spring, and if anything I'd have liked to pull more bottom end out of the thing on the street.

[Zack]

V-1 is definitely the way to go if you want an obnoxiously loud whistle...which is what I would want. :up:

[hotford]

Thinking about upgrading my V-2 s-trim to a V-1 Heavy duty T-trim.

Has any of the vortech guys run the V-1?

Anything I should look out for?

Pictures?

Thanks!

Matt
Matt you can upgrade your v-2 s trim to a v -2 t- trim only as the v-1 is a spur gear set up comparded to a heli cut gear set v-2.
also the internal ratios are different the v-1 is a 3.45:1 ratio and the v-2 ratio is a 3.54:1 set up ratio.
either blower will bolt up to your compo, any v series blower can work from a v-1,v-2,v-3,or a v-7 will bolt up on the brackets.
the heavy duty version I beleive are only v-1 series or v-7 as they use spur gears and are or can be purchased from vortech in race heavy duty form: this will allow cog drive pulleys to be used on them.
You can have a v-2 s -trim upgraded to v-2 t- trim but it wont be a race haevy duty version.also v-1 gear cases are not interchangable with v-2.
I hope this helps.

[ntd]

V-1 is definitely the way to go if you want an obnoxiously loud whistle...which is what I would want. :up:


^^X2 I giggled like a little girl the 1st time I started my car and heard that whistle. Do it

[-Matt-]

Matt you can upgrade your v-2 s trim to a v -2 t- trim only as the v-1 is a spur gear set up comparded to a heli cut gear set v-2.
also the internal ratios are different the v-1 is a 3.45:1 ratio and the v-2 ratio is a 3.54:1 set up ratio.
either blower will bolt up to your compo, any v series blower can work from a v-1,v-2,v-3,or a v-7 will bolt up on the brackets.
the heavy duty version I beleive are only v-1 series or v-7 as they use spur gears and are or can be purchased from vortech in race heavy duty form: this will allow cog drive pulleys to be used on them.
You can have a v-2 s -trim upgraded to v-2 t- trim but it wont be a race haevy duty version.also v-1 gear cases are not interchangable with v-2.
I hope this helps.

Thats almost EXACTLY what the guy at vortech said.

I would want the v-1 t-trim because of:

Its the Heavy duty setup
T-trim
Super loud whisleing spur gears
bigger intake diameter
polished



V-1 is definitely the way to go if you want an obnoxiously loud whistle...which is what I would want. :up:

You and I think too much alike... are you sure your not my long lost father?

[hotford]

just ask away if ya need help as i have been running vortechs on mustangs since 1997 and been in direct contact with some of the engineers there and have become close to them.
also the new v-1 si blower has a real nice kick to it as well.

[breeze]

MMMMMMMM T-Trim :drool:


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/4/Marauder002.jpg

where can i find that paint from, i had a CV painted very similar http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/593/thumbs/n518653449_668332_3415.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17310) and would love to tie that car into this one!?

[-Matt-]

just ask away if ya need help as i have been running vortechs on mustangs since 1997 and been in direct contact with some of the engineers there and have become close to them.
also the new v-1 si blower has a real nice kick to it as well.

Over the t-trim?

[hotford]

Over the t-trim?
You have to remember these MM are heavy and can use all the mid range power to get them moving faster, my experience shows that the s-trim has more kick and ramps up alot quicker than the t trim: if your gonna only shift the car to 6200 rpm the s trim is the way to go but if your gonna rev it to 6800 the t trim may work better as the higher rpm is were the t likes it, also if you go from a s trim to a t trim and keep the boost the same at 13 psi the s trim will make more mid power at that boost level, where we really see the difference is when you start to spin the t trim at high boost levels, 16 psi and higher,we had s trims make in excess of 20 psi this is were the s runs out of gas and the t trim will keep going.
this new SI blower gives ya the best of both worlds s trim low end grunt with the higher rpm of a t trim, remember we only have 281 inches.

Its all in what you want you compo and how to make it work .

[Zack]

You have to remember these MM are heavy and can use all the mid range power to get them moving faster, my experience shows that the s-trim has more kick and ramps up alot quicker than the t trim: if your gonna only shift the car to 6200 rpm the s trim is the way to go but if your gonna rev it to 6800 the t trim may work better as the higher rpm is were the t likes it, also if you go from a s trim to a t trim and keep the boost the same at 13 psi the s trim will make more mid power at that boost level, where we really see the difference is when you start to spin the t trim at high boost levels, 16 psi and higher,we had s trims make in excess of 20 psi this is were the s runs out of gas and the t trim will keep going.
this new SI blower gives ya the best of both worlds s trim low end grunt with the higher rpm of a t trim, remember we only have 281 inches.

Its all in what you want you compo and how to make it work .


With all due respect it is bad advice and info.
A T-Trim on a Marauder will make it feel quite similar to a roots blower, and it kicks major ass at all rpm's

[Rocknthehawk]

mmm.... Hot-Rauder (my twin brother) is having a v1 t-trim installed on his girlfriend's Mach1...

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z302/blkmarauder/boost1.jpg

[hotford]

With all due respect it is bad advice and info.
A T-Trim on a Marauder will make it feel quite similar to a roots blower, and it kicks major ass at all rpm's
whats bad about it???????????
this my experience with these blowers and this what I've seen.

what boost levels are ya talking about this also makes a difference.

[ImpalaSlayer]

mmm.... Hot-Rauder (my twin brother) is having a v1 t-trim installed on his girlfriend's Mach1...

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z302/blkmarauder/boost1.jpg

that thing still isnt installed???

[Rocknthehawk]

that thing still isnt installed???

the guy you knew that was selling it ****ed them. once going through everything, it clearly wasn't the entire kit, and was missing pieces and had a few wrong pieces. from what he told me, it looked like it was set up for a 1/4 mile car only.

[ImpalaSlayer]

the guy you knew that was selling it ****ed them. once going through everything, it clearly wasn't the entire kit, and was missing pieces and had a few wrong pieces. from what he told me, it looked like it was set up for a 1/4 mile car only.

hmm i doubt Chris knew that, he never even had it on his mach.

[hotford]

the guy you knew that was selling it ****ed them. once going through everything, it clearly wasn't the entire kit, and was missing pieces and had a few wrong pieces. from what he told me, it looked like it was set up for a 1/4 mile car only.
maybe a tuner kit??

[SC Cheesehead]

PM Marauderman as well, I believe he's running a T-trim.

[Loco1234]

I just upgraded from the T-trim to the JT-trim & love it... If you have the fuel delivery capacity go for the gold....
FYI: I heard the YSI-trim will only give you top end (for drag) & not worth it for the street...

[hotford]

either way s,si,t trim blowers it will still make lots of power there's no sense in getting into blower debates its what the individual whats on there cars,and how they intend to use it. street, strip or both.

Good luck with your build Matt.

[-Matt-]

I just upgraded from the T-trim to the JT-trim & love it... If you have the fuel delivery capacity go for the gold....
FYI: I heard the YSI-trim will only give you top end (for drag) & not worth it for the street...

The only "JT" trim i see is in the v-7 series... is this correct?

[FormulaMarauder]

I got a V2 T Trim. Not convinced my car should be pulling the numbers that it is, so I'm driving from Connecticut to Florida next month to go visit Reinhart and have him give it a once over and give it a proper race tune. Yeah, I'm nuts. CT to FL. Gonna be a long trip. Hope its worth the extra tenths!

[sailsmen]

With all due respect it is bad advice and info.
A T-Trim on a Marauder will make it feel quite similar to a roots blower, and it kicks major ass at all rpm's

I went from a V-2 SQ to a V-2 T and the difference was dramatic. The T grabs more air for better low end response.

At 19 psi the water to air could not extract the heat. IAT at the track was 220*. Switched to air to air and IAT 125* at the track.:D

Check the length of the V-1 T trim discharge, you may have to modify your discharge pipes, also a different intake pipe is required for the V-1 T trim.

[hotford]

The only "JT" trim i see is in the v-7 series... is this correct?
yes this is correct j-t and ysi are v-7

[ntd]

I went from a V-2 SQ to a V-2 T and the difference was dramatic. The T grabs more air for better low end response.

At 19 psi the water to air could not extract the heat. IAT at the track was 220*. Switched to air to air and IAT 125* at the track.:D

Check the length of the V-1 T trim discharge, you may have to modify your discharge pipes, also a different intake pipe is required for the V-1 T trim.


Question about your previous Water to Air setup were you adding ice to the water tank when you were getting the 220 IAT's:eek: and were you using the heat exchanger that Dennis supply's in his kit?

[-Matt-]

Thinking about the JT trim v-7.... for the extra 100 bucks i think it may be worth the upgrade

[ImpalaSlayer]

Thinking about the JT trim v-7.... for the extra 100 bucks i think it may be worth the upgrade
why not get your car dynoed with what it has? you are worse then me

[-Matt-]

why not get your car dynoed with what it has? you are worse then me

You shush your mouf

[sailsmen]

Question about your previous Water to Air setup were you adding ice to the water tank when you were getting the 220 IAT's:eek: and were you using the heat exchanger that Dennis supply's in his kit?

At the track no ice. At the Dyno the temps were 170*, added ice to get 150*. Yes, it was the stock Dennis heat exchanger. At 10psi with the V-2 SQ I never had any IAT issues. At 19psi apparently there is a lot of heat.

Air to Air dyno I think was 115*.

Keep an eye on your IAT at the track, you may need to add a Meth Kit. You will need to add an IAT behind the jet to take full advantage.

Non IC S/C Mustangs hit 220*. I don't think it's a good idea and you are not getting the power that the S/C can give you.

I recc anybody with an S/C to run race gas the first trip to the track and data log.

2 bottles of Lucas Octane boost per 12 gallons raise 93 to 103.

[-Matt-]

At the track no ice. At the Dyno the temps were 170*, added ice to get 150*. Yes, it was the stock Dennis heat exchanger. At 10psi with the V-2 SQ I never had any IAT issues. At 19psi apparently there is a lot of heat.

Air to Air dyno I think was 115*.

Keep an eye on your IAT at the track, you may need to add a Meth Kit. You will need to add an IAT behind the jet to take full advantage.

Non IC S/C Mustangs hit 220*. I don't think it's a good idea and you are not getting the power that the S/C can give you.

I recc anybody with an S/C to run race gas the first trip to the track and data log.

2 bottles of Lucas Octane boost per 12 gallons raise 93 to 103.


I do run meth

[guspech750]

WOW!! Bored already? (Good thing my car is N/A.:puke:)
You lucky son of a gun.

[dohc324ci]

You guys are killing me with all this sc talk!

Vortech, eaton, whipple, Paxton decisions decision.

Good info.

[ntd]

At the track no ice. At the Dyno the temps were 170*, added ice to get 150*. Yes, it was the stock Dennis heat exchanger. At 10psi with the V-2 SQ I never had any IAT issues. At 19psi apparently there is a lot of heat.

Air to Air dyno I think was 115*.

Keep an eye on your IAT at the track, you may need to add a Meth Kit. You will need to add an IAT behind the jet to take full advantage.

Non IC S/C Mustangs hit 220*. I don't think it's a good idea and you are not getting the power that the S/C can give you.

I recc anybody with an S/C to run race gas the first trip to the track and data log.

2 bottles of Lucas Octane boost per 12 gallons raise 93 to 103.


Good Info thanks. I cant wait to get my car back and see what IAT's I'll hit with my bigger heat exchanger and ice in the tank hoping for good results.

[Loco1234]

Thinking about the JT trim v-7.... for the extra 100 bucks i think it may be worth the upgrade

Yes, mine is a V-7. and your right for the $100 it's worth it. Thats why I mentioned it. But just make sure you have enough fuel delivery capacity. You need something like dual "GT" fuel pumps with 2 FPDM's to driver them.. plus an upgrade fuel line size... otherwise you will have trouble meeting the fuel requirements for the JT-trim. (thats my setup now) but I do have to get it back on the dyno...

[-Matt-]

Yes, mine is a V-7. and your right for the $100 it's worth it. Thats why I mentioned it. But just make sure you have enough fuel delivery capacity. You need something like dual "GT" fuel pumps with 2 FPDM's to driver them.. plus an upgrade fuel line size... otherwise you will have trouble meeting the fuel requirements for the JT-trim. (thats my setup now) but I do have to get it back on the dyno...


Explain "fuel requirements"

I have a gt-40 pump and a 40 amp BAP.

I dont understand how 12-14lbs on a s-trim is that much different then 12-14lbs on a jt-trim

[Zack]

Explain "fuel requirements"

I have a gt-40 pump and a 40 amp BAP.

I dont understand how 12-14lbs on a s-trim is that much different then 12-14lbs on a jt-trim

You are gonna make 40-50 more rwhp with that JT Trim, and the single GT pump with BAP is gonna be tapped out.

[-Matt-]

You are gonna make 40-50 more rwhp with that JT Trim, and the single GT pump with BAP is gonna be tapped out.


Would a stock block even be able to safely handle that amount of power?

I could always run twin gt-40's right?

[Zack]

Would a stock block even be able to safely handle that amount of power?

I could always run twin gt-40's right?

Anything is safe til it blows up.

If I was you, I wouldnt plan ahead until after your current setup is tuned and you drive it around for a while.

[dohc324ci]

Hey Matt can you post a pic of the S-Trim head? I wonder if it has a EO# number stamped on it?

I would buy that head unit from you but next year; My selfish advise run it until this time (after tax season) next year and I will pick it up from you.....lol

I wonder if anyone has run a centri-on a big bore stroker here.....

[RR|Suki]

Hey Matt can you post a pic of the S-Trim head? I wonder if it has a EO# number stamped on it?

I would buy that head unit from you but next year; My selfish advise run it until this time (after tax season) next year and I will pick it up from you.....lol

I wonder if anyone has run a centri-on a big bore stroker here.....

In Cali? I'm sure there are mustang guys out there

on Marauders there are a number of us I think

[ntd]

Hey Matt can you post a pic of the S-Trim head? I wonder if it has a EO# number stamped on it?

I would buy that head unit from you but next year; My selfish advise run it until this time (after tax season) next year and I will pick it up from you.....lol

I wonder if anyone has run a centri-on a big bore stroker here.....

Man your car would be a beast. I would love to see what that 5.3L can do with some boost

[dohc324ci]

suki I already forgot about you....but your the only one I could think of. How much boost are you running on that novi again? what's your compression?

I am already laying the ground work for the S-Trim just need to think about boost levels on a high compression 10-12 but then again my tuner says hes run as high as 17lbs...yikes.

I will need to go with duel GT40s (have one now). Mainly street so I will most likely have two tunes very mild then a strip tune when I get ambitious.

[Zack]

You can run 30+ psi with high compression, you just need the appropriate fuel.

[RR|Suki]

suki I already forgot about you....but your the only one I could think of. How much boost are you running on that novi again? what's your compression?

I am already laying the ground work for the S-Trim just need to think about boost levels on a high compression 10-12 but then again my tuner says hes run as high as 17lbs...yikes.

I will need to go with duel GT40s (have one now). Mainly street so I will most likely have two tunes very mild then a strip tune when I get ambitious.

When I trapped 118MPH I was on 9-10 psi with the Novi 2000
my comp is 9 -9.5:1 - no one can remember and the Build sheet got lost long ago. I suppose I could use a bore scope and take a look at the pistons one day and try to get an idea.
Since installing the pulley I saw close to 14 the other night so we'll see how that goes when I go to the track within the next couple weeks here I hope.

[sailsmen]

Some of the big bore strokers only hit 550 in hp, same as a Cobra, while others have 600+ in hp. Point is like any mod it is only as good as the other components and the tune.

[Loco1234]

I am currently a 5.0L I did not want to go as far as a 5.3L
I run about stock compression but run a JT trim with over 20PSI
I do need two GT fuel pump & 2 FPDM's to drive them... I did only need 1 FPDM with the T-trim but the CFM increase is noticable.
FYI: remember there is "Boost" & "CFM"... IE: how much boost is it under at a specific CFM. It makes a huge difference...

[dohc324ci]

You can run 30+ psi with high compression, you just need the appropriate fuel.

91 Octane is about it for pump in Cali; dont know if I would trust VP Racing Fuel 95/100oct.

I am thinking 10-12lbs for street/daily tune.

[Loco1234]

91 Octane is about it for pump in Cali; dont know if I would trust VP Racing Fuel 95/100oct.

I am thinking 10-12lbs for street/daily tune.

Ya in PA; you can get 93 octane all day long. However there used to be 94 octance Sunoco stations all over PA unitl about 4-5years ago. Now there is only 3 statiuons with 94 octane. and all of them are near the Sunoco refin in Phila area...

...So I run a 93 octane tune with the JT-trim. It does allow the dyno tune to be pushed a little bit more safely... but mostly use it as a safety margin so when I travel with the car & can only get 91 etc I don't have to worry about it...

[Zack]

91 Octane is about it for pump in Cali; dont know if I would trust VP Racing Fuel 95/100oct.

I am thinking 10-12lbs for street/daily tune.

Yeah, people with Vortechs dont go swapping pulleys for the track, it takes WAY too long to do. LOL

What you decide for everyday driving will be the same for the track.

[Loco1234]

Yeah, people with Vortechs dont go swapping pulleys for the track, it takes WAY too long to do. LOL

What you decide for everyday driving will be the same for the track.

Oh ya... I wouldn't bother doing a pulley swap... I hate when its belt change time... it's tight to say the least... but Im still running the 6rib & maxing out over 20psi without noticeable slippage. However I am using Cobra front cover & tensioner. Plus a really tight arse belt...

[RR|Suki]

Oh ya... I wouldn't bother doing a pulley swap... I hate when its belt change time... it's tight to say the least... but Im still running the 6rib & maxing out over 20psi without noticeable slippage. However I am using Cobra front cover & tensioner. Plus a really tight arse belt...

At least it can be done :P The way my Paxton bracket works is it is in 3 parts and the whole thing needs to come off to get to the belt since the belt is trapped by the inner most bracket mount and an idler pulley. Taking the blower off the car every time I change the belt makes me cry a little inside :bigcry:

[sailsmen]

Look at your dyno data log or 1/4 data log. You maybe having belt slip and just are not aware.
I don't think you can expect durability at 20psi with a 6 rib belt.

[-Matt-]

Yeah, people with Vortechs dont go swapping pulleys for the track, it takes WAY too long to do. LOL

What you decide for everyday driving will be the same for the track.

Yeah but im going to change how my meth is used from the street to the strip (meth added to meth dependant)


Oh ya... I wouldn't bother doing a pulley swap... I hate when its belt change time... it's tight to say the least... but Im still running the 6rib & maxing out over 20psi without noticeable slippage. However I am using Cobra front cover & tensioner. Plus a really tight arse belt...

Yeah mine was SUPER tight.... ask zack :cool4:

[ntd]

Yeah mine was SUPER tight.... ask zack :cool4:



:shake::shake::shake: OK how's going say it 1st

[-Matt-]

Anyone know if the V-7 jt-trim has the straight cut spur gears?

[hotford]

Anyone know if the V-7 jt-trim has the straight cut spur gears?

The V-7 only come race heavy duty,spur gears.

[RacerX]

Yeah mine was SUPER tight.... ask zack :cool4:
Zack was pitching and you were catching huh... :shake: Was CBT on camera duty? :D

[hot-rauder]

My V-1 T-Trim will be in the mach next month.... finally.

Ill be posting results. Its definitely the way to go.