Turbo Kit is here

[kenny barr]

I should have some photos to post tomorrow. Kit is available for purchase now. If you'd like to make 500+ HP to the wheels, stay tuned. More details to come............

[nexstar7]

i've been waiting for this. can't wait for the price.

[Rider90]

For SOHC Crown Victorias too??



*sigh* :(

[kenny barr]

We need at least 5 to get a group purchase price. Drop me a PM for kit details and photos.

[Petrograde]

Originally posted by kenny barr
We need at least 5 to get a group purchase price. Drop me a PM for kit details and photos.

How 'bout posting the info here? I'm interested,depending on the price of course.

is it a single, or twin turbo?

Tom

[kenny barr]

It's a single kit. I am awaiting the photos and details from the vendor. I'll post as soon as I can..

[darebren]

post details

[Ross]

A lot of y'all will have more technical knowledge about this than I do. Since there are some very good SC's out there bringing our MM's to the high 400's in HP, what will a turbo do to bring the car to over 500? Also, will that level of HP be dangerous to the integrity of our internal components? Can we get to over 500 HP without a "dangerous" level of boost? Or is boost from a turbo somehow different from boost from a SC? Kind of confused on this issue, so I welcome any discussion and tech help.

[darebren]

I just figured it has to be better than blowing on that long straw I inserted into the intake when at WOT. Makes me blue in the face, but I think i'm getting a few ponies out of it.

Reminds me of a Spaceballs quote, "oh my god sir, she's switching from suck to blow!!"

[kenny barr]

Turbos make more power at the same boost levels as blowers because they are much more efficient. They work off the exhaust gas rather than the crank to make it's power. It's free HP..... Blowers actually use HP to make HP. Depending on the level of boost you make will determine the impact to your internals. You could potentially run low levels (4-6psi) on the stock internals to make 300-350 at the wheels or you can crank up the boost to (10-18)psi on forged internals for 500+RWHP.

NOTE: any level of boost or Nitrous is potenially dangerous to the stock internals. It's all about having a good tune...



Originally posted by Ross
A lot of y'all will have more technical knowledge about this than I do. Since there are some very good SC's out there bringing our MM's to the high 400's in HP, what will a turbo do to bring the car to over 500? Also, will that level of HP be dangerous to the integrity of our internal components? Can we get to over 500 HP without a "dangerous" level of boost? Or is boost from a turbo somehow different from boost from a SC? Kind of confused on this issue, so I welcome any discussion and tech help.

[johnjamis]

I'm interested and there are probably lots more, but we need to see product/price/reliability/performance. Keep us posted regularly on your progress. I would be interested in the reliable 350 to the rear wheels setup and a group purchase. PM on the way.

[kenny barr]

guys, please keep in mind that I am not the vendor of this product. I am merely trying to put together a group deal for us to all save a few bucks.

[johnjamis]

Thanks for clearing that up for me(and us). I wish you success in getting a group purchase for a suitable turbo setup. John

[Dennis Reinhart]

Originally posted by kenny barr
I should have some photos to post tomorrow. Kit is available for purchase now. If you'd like to make 500+ HP to the wheels, stay tuned. More details to come............



Well it seasily done with both a Turbo or a S/C and I am entertaining the idea of a kit, I would never set this up for any thing over 450 on a stock bottom end. 500 RWHP on a stock motor is very very dangerous, I have settled for under 450 my self I have proven I can make a easy 460, but I also know that others have tried to maintain this HP level and have lost motors.

[kenny barr]

Kit includes the following:

Dual 4 into 1 Tubular Mild Steel Headers w/ 1/2" laser Cut Header Flanges, 2 ½" Cross Over w/ Flex Connection, 3 ½" Down Pipe that splits into Dual 2 ¼" pipe. All V Band Connections, High Quality Silicone hoses w/ Aircraft Grade SS clamps, Tial 38mm Billet Wastegate, 12 psi blow off valve, 3 Core Air/Air Bar & Plate Intercooler, 255 lPH High Pressure Fuel Pump Assy., 42 lbs Injectors, Custom dual fan assembly that replaces the stock single fan. This kit INCLUDES a Garrett/Precision GT40 64mm Turbo ( 700hp Max Efficiently ). All piping is custom made for our cars.

Photos of the kit on the car later this week.

This is pretty close to the MM kit:

PM me for cost with shipping.http://www.proturbokits.com/mach%201%20kit%20layed%20out.j pg

[Ross]

So if someone already has Kook's (or some other type) headers, or DR's exhaust, they couldn't use this system?

[kenny barr]

Nope............

[DONP1217]

What are the effects or trying to put 500 or even 400 hp through our stock trannies and rear ends?

[Dennis Reinhart]

It will burn a stock transmission up, I will have the up grade kit out in two weeks.

[DONP1217]

Dennis,

Will your upgrade kit be for the 470RW or the 475RW tranny?

How much horespower can you can put through the stock tranny and rear end and still maintain longevity?

[kurly]

This is interesting. What are the relative advantages/disadvantages of turbocharging vs. supercharging?
I always had the impression that in drag racing, eg., that supercharging was ultimately superior. Are there cost factors to consider too?

[Ross]

My understanding was the same as Kurly's. Someone correct me if this is (probably) incorrect.
A SC gives "immediate" power because it is run off of the same drive belts as everything else in the engine. It doesn't have to "wind up" since it has the engine speed itself as its source of power.
A turbo has a "time lag" (however short) because the engine has to speed up on its own, thereby producing more exhaust, and that extra exhaust is then used to power the turbo.
For drag racing, where fractions of a second are important, that "time lag" makes a turbo less desirable than a SC.
How far off am I?

[cyclone03]

The "problem" of Turbo lag came from the use of turbos on mostly small displacement engines.
With a 4.6l engine the power will build VERY quickly.

For making POWER nothing is better than a turbo.
Anytime turbos are allowed to compete head to head with belt driven SC they tend to domenate,then the sanctioning bodies step in and regulate the turbos out of competition.
A turbo top fueler showed up in NHRA years ago,started winning the and was legeslated out of competition.

VERY good looking kit BTW.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Originally posted by DONP1217
Dennis,

Will your upgrade kit be for the 470RW or the 475RW tranny?

How much horespower can you can put through the stock tranny and rear end and still maintain longevity?

There is very little diference between the 4R70 W and the 4R75 W

I have one in my Mark 8 and it makes over 530 to the tires add 20% to that and thats close to the flywheel so I feel this built trans can take 700 RWHP with further up grades, as far as Turbos go the main draw back is of course is heat, it bakes every thing under the hood if not done right, as far as lag goes this has improved over the years with better designed blowers, the advantage of the turbo is imediate spool up. The power is there down low, so you can imagine how hard this will be on a stock motor, the same is true about the roots blower it also spools up quick, so you are limited to a reasonble amount of boost on a stock motor and the same aplies to Vortech

[bob35222]

Dennis, I asked on another thread that died and I'm sure this is an ignorant question but is it impossible to use the five speed from the Lincoln Aviator in the MM as the motors are virtually the same??