View Full Version : Time for the "Wilwoods"
Architect
06-06-2010, 11:49 AM
I am currently running the 18" Ford Racing "Bullitt" wheels (M-1007-S1885B) and I'm ready to order my Willwoods (Brakes) ... anything I should know? Will they fit? I think "FastBlackMerc" runs this setup, but not positive (you out there Fast Black:dunno:?). Does one of our "supporting" companies supply Willwoods? I'd like to order from them.
As always thanks for the helpful information and direction...:beer:
Architect
Mach1Marauder
06-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Do you really NEED Wilwoods?
ImpalaSlayer
06-06-2010, 12:04 PM
Todd at TCE sells the willwood kits.
Architect
06-06-2010, 12:09 PM
Do you really NEED Wilwoods?
The research done here at Marauder.net sends me to Wellwoods...
I know it's an old discussion, but I'm going with them...
Thanks, Architect
Architect
06-06-2010, 12:11 PM
Todd at TCE sells the willwood kits.
I'll check with Todd and see if he can tell me if they will fit with the bullitt wheels...
Thanks, Architect
Mach1Marauder
06-06-2010, 12:12 PM
There is no kit SPECIFICALLY designed for the Marauder, but there are people out there that adapt current products to make a kit.
I'd suggest calling Wilwood and get some referrals. 805-388-1188
They said these wouldn't fit............but we fixed that!:D
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/psracing/25%202%20race%20car/P1080018.jpg
Spectragod
06-06-2010, 12:13 PM
Todd @ TCE, great guy and a great product.
As to the previous question, "do you NEED Wilwoods?", I didn't need a twin screw, but I bought one anyhow. Since most of these cars are not DD, they are a hobby, kinda like my wife's shoe and purse collection.:rolleyes:
So to answer the question, YES, you NEED them. :beer:
Mach1Marauder
06-06-2010, 12:14 PM
The research done here at Marauder.net sends me to Wellwoods...
I know it's an old discussion, but I'm going with them...
Thanks, Architect
I just don't like seeing people wasting good money.;)
Excellent choice my friend. :D
MM03MOK
06-06-2010, 01:49 PM
Do you really NEED Wilwoods?
I just don't like seeing people wasting good money.;)
Howzabout we let Architect spend his money the way he chooses to.
I love my Wilwoods on the front!
DEW34
06-06-2010, 03:14 PM
Mach1marauder i understand your good gesture about not to spend money if its not needed . the stock brakes are marginal at best on these heavy cars do they stop yes , but most of the members here at one time or another wish they had more braking power when they were put in a hard braking situation.Their has been a few times that i did not think it was going to stop which left me looking for an escape route . needless to say now i give alott more room when i am driving the marauder .
mike#90
Mach1Marauder
06-06-2010, 04:15 PM
Mach1marauder i understand your good gesture about not to spend money if its not needed . the stock brakes are marginal at best on these heavy cars do they stop yes , but most of the members here at one time or another wish they had more braking power when they were put in a hard braking situation.Their has been a few times that i did not think it was going to stop which left me looking for an escape route . needless to say now i give alott more room when i am driving the marauder .
mike#90
My sole line of posting.;)
guspech750
06-06-2010, 06:33 PM
Even if one does not need them. They sure look cool as he!!.
Ill never buy a brake kit that does not make almost complete pad/rotor contact again!
Cast Iron does not like to be heated and cooled at different rates, which leads to warping. Why make a 1500 dollar brake kit with a superlite caliper (not a good choice for the car) and have it only make partial contact with the rotor?
MAKES NO SENSE
Ill never buy a brake kit that does not make almost complete pad/rotor contact again!
Cast Iron does not like to be heated and cooled at different rates, which leads to warping. Why make a 1500 dollar brake kit with a superlite caliper (not a good choice for the car) and have it only make partial contact with the rotor?
MAKES NO SENSE
PRO ZACK :rolleyes: Which kit would you suggest?
PRO ZACK :rolleyes: Which kit would you suggest?
The KVR kit or the BAER kit with DBA rotors instead of the CRAP rotors BAER sends out.
My next mod, thanks man...:)
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 06:03 AM
Just got back from the Bahamas.....
I have the Willwood kit from TCE with the stock Marauder wheels. There is a 1/8" spacer required for the wheels to clear the rotors. Check with Todd if your using the Bullitt wheels as you may or may not need a spacer for clearance.
Regardless of what Mr. Mouth says, IMHO this kit is a must "upgrade' for the Marauder as the stock brakes are marginal at best. I'd also add the stainless steel brake lines for the rear.
You won't go wrong dealing with Todd @ TCE.
Ask anyone that has this on their Marauder.
This upgrade has saved my Marauder more than once.........
Stops on a dime and gives you $0.09 in change.
Hey fastblackmerc...when you understand what makes a GOOD brake kit GOOD, then you can call me names. Until then please stop.
Just got back from the Bahamas.....
I have the Willwood kit from TCE with the stock Marauder wheels. There is a 1/8" spacer required for the wheels to clear the rotors. Check with Todd if your using the Bullitt wheels as you may or may not need a spacer for clearance.
Regardless of what Mr. Mouth says, IMHO this kit is a must "upgrade' for the Marauder as the stock brakes are marginal at best. I'd also add the stainless steel brake lines for the rear.
You won't go wrong dealing with Todd @ TCE.
Ask anyone that has this on their Marauder.
This upgrade has saved my Marauder more than once.........
Stops on a dime and gives you $0.09 in change.
The spacer is required to clear the rotors or did you mean calipers?
The spacer is required to clear the rotors or did you mean calipers?
Yes the calipers, but I didnt need one for my car. Honestly I think its there so the donut spare will clear if that should be necessary.
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 06:45 AM
Hey fastblackmerc...when you understand what makes a GOOD brake kit GOOD, then you can call me names. Until then please stop.
So, you still haven't told me yet how to make the TCE kit better......
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 06:46 AM
The spacer is required to clear the rotors or did you mean calipers?
The spacer is needed to clear the caliper.
So, you still haven't told me yet how to make the TCE kit better......
Find a caliper that will allow a bigger pad to make almost complete surface contact with the rotor.
IMHO, for the size of the car, the ultralite caliper is not the best choice....it needs a more expensive caliper to be the best it can be.
Black_Out
06-08-2010, 07:10 AM
Find a caliper that will allow a bigger pad to make almost complete surface contact with the rotor.
IMHO, for the size of the car, the ultralite caliper is not the best choice....it needs a more expensive caliper to be the best it can be.
So basically there's no replacement for displacement, even with brakes :)
So basically there's no replacement for displacement, even with brakes :)
Pretty true...dont ask me to comment on the new offering for Stock Brake Upgrades....
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 07:16 AM
So basically there's no replacement for displacement, even with brakes :)
Just ask other members how they like their TCE big brake upgrade.
Black_Out
06-08-2010, 07:19 AM
Just ask other members how they like their TCE big brake upgrade.
I don't doubt they are a phenomenal improvement over stock, but I do understand where Zack is coming from on the technical end. It doesn't make sense the material they would use for a car as heavy as this, especially for what the kits cost.
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 07:21 AM
I don't doubt they are a phenomenal improvement over stock, but I do understand where Zack is coming from on the technical end. It doesn't make sense the material they would use for a car as heavy as this, especially for what the kits cost.
I believe it's the best kit for the money.........
Mach1Marauder
06-08-2010, 08:59 AM
Even though Zack and I don't see eye to eye on some things, he's nailed it on this topic.:banana2:
Even though Zack and I don't see eye to eye on some things, he's nailed it on this topic.:banana2:
:D Thanks, I needed some backup..... ;)
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 09:26 AM
Even though Zack and I don't see eye to eye on some things, he's nailed it on this topic.:banana2:
OK, so which one of you are going to make a better kit for less money?
Mach1Marauder
06-08-2010, 09:39 AM
OK, so which one of you are going to make a better kit for less money?
There are times you can go cheap and then there are times you need to spend some money. I'd rather spend the money in this case.
THANK GOD Aeromotive doesn't make kit for the Marauder............but you could prolly adapt one.:P
fastblackmerc
06-08-2010, 09:49 AM
There are times you can go cheap and then there are times you need to spend some money. I'd rather spend the money in this case.
THANK GOD Aeromotive doesn't make kit for the Marauder............but you could prolly adapt one.:P
"There are times you can go cheap and then there are times you need to spend some money. I'd rather spend the money in this case."
That is why I purchased the TCE kit. The best available brake upgrade for the Marauder.
"There are times you can go cheap and then there are times you need to spend some money. I'd rather spend the money in this case."
That is why I purchased the TCE kit. The best available brake upgrade for the Marauder.
No, its actually the Baer kit with DBA rotors.
Mach1Marauder
06-08-2010, 10:56 AM
No, its actually the Baer kit with DBA rotors.
DAMMIT........Tree'd me!:beer:
Spectragod
06-08-2010, 05:49 PM
No, its actually the Baer kit with DBA rotors.
Does the Baer kit come with DBA rotors? Or do you need to order those from another vendor?
Does the Baer kit come with DBA rotors? Or do you need to order those from another vendor?
Order the rotors from www.knsbrakes.com
He is working on a kit for us right now that will hopefully be cheaper and retain the exact same components as Baer with the DBA rotors.
Spectragod
06-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Order the rotors from www.knsbrakes.com (http://www.knsbrakes.com)
He is working on a kit for us right now that will hopefully be cheaper and retain the exact same components as Baer with the DBA rotors.
So, I should change out my Wilwood's?
Architect
06-09-2010, 01:27 PM
Now we see why I started the other post to get information I needed...:rolleyes:
ANYWAY... thanks to "everyone" for all this information...
I've done my measuring and I think they (WILWOODS) will fit... I'll run all the info by Todd and get his opinion...
Thanks again,:beer:
Architect
fastblackmerc
06-09-2010, 01:33 PM
Now we see why I started the other post to get information I needed...:rolleyes:
ANYWAY... thanks to "everyone" for all this information...
I've done my measuring and I think they (WILWOODS) will fit... I'll run all the info by Todd and get his opinion...
Thanks again,:beer:
Architect
You won't be sorry with the TCE products.
Get the stainless steel lines for the rear brakes too.
Haggis
06-11-2010, 10:20 AM
Order the rotors from www.knsbrakes.com
He is working on a kit for us right now that will hopefully be cheaper and retain the exact same components as Baer with the DBA rotors.
Which of the DBA rotors do you recomand for a S/C car?
Which of the DBA rotors do you recomand for a S/C car?
Here is the thread with all pertinent info and part #'s:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28568&highlight=upgraded+brakes+upgr ade
Haggis
06-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Here is the thread with all pertinent info and part #'s:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28568&highlight=upgraded+brakes+upgr ade
Thanks Zack. :up:
Todd TCE
06-14-2010, 04:32 PM
Ill never buy a brake kit that does not make almost complete pad/rotor contact again!
Cast Iron does not like to be heated and cooled at different rates, which leads to warping. Why make a 1500 dollar brake kit with a superlite caliper (not a good choice for the car) and have it only make partial contact with the rotor?
MAKES NO SENSE
At the risk of an argument (which is not the reason) the pads make full contact with the rotor so I'm at a loss to how you'd say it does not. Anyone here can post a picture of full contact. Please don't make it sound as if there is an engineering issue with it not fitting.
The BSL6 (in this case the narrow body for the required wheel clearance) seems good enough for many factory Wiwood kits including WRX, Mustang, Corvette and many more. Just what caliper would be a good choice for these vehicles?
I'm fine with differing opinions and will always leave room for others but here you're running on about something you're totally wrong about.
You guys are bouncing about on a bunch of mis-information here. *And Zack I don't specifically mean you but do allow me to correct some things....
Visualizing pad SIZE to the rotor means nothing. Now understanding what you guys are messed up on; the pad size is the pad size. Race pads or competition pads are designed to be 'narrow' (short is the proper term but confuses people) The size of a 'hat' in the middle of it, be it iron or alum has no impact but visual. The early TCE kit shared an 8" hat with many other kits. The later kits now us a 9" hat. Does the pad now touch the entire rotor?? Of course not, the pad is still 1.875" tall. Same on any rotor regardless of the size of it. A PBR pad is perhaps 2.1" tall (most oe pads are taller) but what if I put them on a 14" rotor- they don't touch all the rotor surface any more?
Pad size has squat to do with brake torque. I wear a size 9.5 shoe and weigh 175lbs. If I put on a size 12 shoe do I weigh more?? Nope, I just spread the load across a greater area. Same 175 only less psi in the foot print. And like a pad; my shoes will last longer. Nothing more, this works the same; pressure being applied vs gravity holding me down. Bigger pads on wider surfaces don't make more brake torque guys. One could speak with some of your Ford engineering contact if you doubt this. For the most part the skinny pad actually makes more torque- its radius being higher on the rotor. The wider pad lower.
I have nothing against the other parts on the market for your car whatsoever. It's an open market and I encourage anyone to purchase what the please. But on the other hand if you're going to "bring the tech" then at least bring the proper knowledge.
What can make it better? I said this before: get rid of those wheels. You can then look at the W6a calipers on 14" rotors. And with a larger brake pad too! But be fore warned; the clamping force is the same, it just has a bigger rotor. (and hat so it won't look like it's not touching all the rotor....)
boatmangc
06-14-2010, 04:40 PM
So, I should change out my Wilwood's?
ABSOLUTELY! I'll give you a hunnert for em. :lol:
Spectragod
06-14-2010, 04:54 PM
ABSOLUTELY! I'll give you a hunnert for em. :lol:
As soon as I put the stock brakes back on........... I'll take you up on that.:shake:
Todd TCE
06-14-2010, 04:58 PM
Because this video makes me laugh I like to put it up for a good time. The only difference in this set up here is a track pad on a wider 1.25" rotor....
Sorry, I know, I know...it's a Chevy.
http://web.mac.com/johndougherty/iWeb/Site/Blank_files/Putnam%20Park-5%3A2006.mov
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