View Full Version : 12.99 na mm????????
lastdaze04
07-19-2010, 10:34 AM
What ever happened to the goal of a 12 sec Marauder??? Has it been scrubbed?? Is it still on the back burner because it is still too hot outside? For awhile there was alot of talk about this,,,now,,,,,nothing:confuse d::dunno::coffee:.
Wassup?????????
Glenn
07-19-2010, 10:37 AM
The reason is that it is JUST NOT gonna happen and everyone finally woke up to the facts. It is just not possible - period!
Glenn Ford :flamer:
ctrlraven
07-19-2010, 10:45 AM
I'm still in for 12's NA. I'll be hitting the track soon to see where my 4.10s put me and go from there.
Glenn I hope you're still keeping your word about the $100 bet.
Joe Walsh
07-19-2010, 10:46 AM
Some of the contestants now have superchargers.
The rest have either lost interest or are waiting for cool, dry air in the Fall.
I won't say that it is impossible because Barry (Cruztaker) got awfully close with a stock internal engine....13.2 secs IIRC
Glenn
07-19-2010, 10:53 AM
I'm still in for 12's NA. I'll be hitting the track soon to see where my 4.10s put me and go from there.
Glenn I hope you're still keeping your word about the $100 bet.
I posted last year that the offer was closed because of a total lack of serious interest except for our "bench and keyboard racers".
Glenn Ford
RacerX
07-19-2010, 11:46 AM
Not possible within the parameters given! 450+ is possible with lotsa internal mods and an engine that'll do 8000 rpm w/C10.
Joe Walsh
07-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Not possible within the parameters given! 450+ is possible with lotsa internal mods and an engine that'll do 8000 rpm w/C10.
It is possible if you can get @ 325 RWHP out of a stock engine with any form of bolt-ons you can think of.
Because we're dealing with 281 cubes...It's going to take a lot of gear and a lot of rpm.
That's the problem...lots of rpm.
You can put on all sorts of special intake manifolds for better high rpm breathing, but you are fighting against the 'tame' OEM camshafts.
breeze
07-19-2010, 12:18 PM
anything is possible. i ran a 14.31 STOCK Except 235's on the rear in the fall/winter. remember, a couple folks saying i had to have a tune with gears and a stall. my dyno proved you WRONG! shoot for 12's in the fall/winter.
MrBluGruv
07-19-2010, 12:19 PM
Honestly, just the thought of a 281 cubic inch motor pushing nearly 4500lbs of car down the 1/4 mile in the 13-point-low second range naturally aspirated is mind-blowing enough for me. I understand that an MM can be intensely fast, just as any car can with the appropriate amount of time, money, and research/development, but to me it reaches a point where I'd just be happy my more-than-two-ton car will do low 13's and I'll go elsewhere for crazy fast.
FordNut
07-19-2010, 12:21 PM
anything is possible.... shoot for 12's in the fall/winter.
We're waiting.
Joe Walsh
07-19-2010, 12:24 PM
That's what I've been thinking....someone with a "just right" OEM engine.
Some (very few) Marauders have run mid-to-high 14s...bone stock.
They are .5 to .75 seconds quicker than most other OEM Marauders.
If you did all the bolt-ons possible to one of these "just right" engined Marauders, along with super sticky tires and a great tune...
:hmmm:
Carroll Shelby used to dyno test Ford's 289 Hi-Po engines and would hand pick the ones that, for some reason, layed down much better than average dyno numbers.
These engines were the basis for the Shelby 289 race engines.
RacerX
07-19-2010, 12:37 PM
It is possible if you can get @ 325 RWHP out of a stock engine with any form of bolt-ons you can think of.
Because we're dealing with 281 cubes...It's going to take a lot of gear and a lot of rpm.
That's the problem...lots of rpm.
You can put on all sorts of special intake manifolds for better high rpm breathing, but you are fighting against the 'tame' OEM camshafts.
Hmmm... One that's perfectly degreed and advanced from the factory...
sailsmen
07-19-2010, 02:13 PM
I thought a super dupped custom intake was the ticket to get a 12.99 Time Slip?
Where you can you order that intake? Does it come with a warranty and does it need a retune?
Joe Walsh
07-19-2010, 02:15 PM
I thought a super dupped custom intake was the ticket to get a 12.99 Time Slip? Where you can you order that intake? Does it come with a warranty and does it need a retune?
Yes, It's called the Bad Weld Howler!
sailsmen
07-19-2010, 02:32 PM
Sounds like something the "A Team" would use, where is Mister T?
I searched and I still cannot find where to order it.
Who gives a flying f if your car can do 12.99 N/A. It will still be slow and only repeatable under special circumstances. Just about every fast car made by the big three can do 12 something N/A.:argue: It's really killing me to drive a bone stock Marauder. I am going the fix that problem soon, but until then life sucks. For all you N/A Marauder on the site "Your Marauder is slow, it's slower then Bob, it's slower then Pop, and it's slower then Doom". Put a power adder on and life is good.
FordNut
07-19-2010, 03:26 PM
Yes, It's called the Howler!
I love it! Gotta run loud pipes to drown it out!:lol:
LANDY
07-19-2010, 03:31 PM
Pretty intense post up here. Remember not every one has the money. And to lots of people a 13 sec timeslip on a four door comfortable car for less than 15 grand is amazing.
Landy
LANDY
07-19-2010, 03:32 PM
I waS very pleased with the performance of my n/a mm when it was alive.
FordNut
07-19-2010, 03:40 PM
Who gives a flying f if your car can do 12.99 N/A. It will still be slow and only repeatable under special circumstances. Just about every fast car made by the big three can do 12 something N/A.:argue: It's really killing me to drive a bone stock Marauder. I a going the fix that problem soon, but until then life sucks. For all you N/A Marauder on the site "Your Marauder is slow, it's slower then Bob, it's slower then Pop, and it's slower then Doom". Put a power adder on and life is good.
Right... 12.99 is SLOW.
I waS very pleased with the performance of my n/a mm when it was alive.
I WAS pleased with my NA MM too, until I got smoked every time I went to the drag strip because everybody I lined up against had some kind of power adder.
LANDY
07-19-2010, 03:49 PM
Yup you are absolutely correct Brian. This hobby is intensively addicted. Now I'm trying to save for an aluminator, while mentaly preparing the wifey for the big plunge.
Pretty intense post up here. Remember not every one has the money. And to lots of people a 13 sec timeslip on a four door comfortable car for less than 15 grand is amazing.
Landy
Sorry about the intensity. I have been here since 2002 and have seen the fastest and slowest Marauders on the track. What I am saying is the goal of 12.99 N/A has little meaning. Most of the 13 second guys are content at that level and are having fun. To push a N/A car under 13 seconds decreases your return on investment. What you get is a false sense of joy as you rub up to your cars limit's.
Pretty intense post up here. Remember not every one has the money. And to lots of people a 13 sec timeslip on a four door comfortable car for less than 15 grand is amazing.
Landy
Don't play unless you can pay and I am paying every f-ing day for my mistakes. I need a stimulus plan.
justbob
07-19-2010, 04:02 PM
Not gonna happen. My 445 put down a pathetic 12.80 last time out. Yes there was a small amount of slippage, yes it was allready around mid 70's and not 40*. Thats called normal drag racing, you are all fishing for a miracle. Sorry.
Everyone that said 12.99 is SLOW is 100% correct. It is SLOW. Welcome to 2010
This is something I have come to realize within the last couple years, unfortionate, but true. You are dumping money into something that will never be, unless you plan to go ALL OUT.
I hope that I am wrong.
sailsmen
07-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Intensity is a good thing, :D it's about as common as rare sense formerly known as common sense.
Merc is right it is a diminishing return on the money spent to go 12.99 N/A.
Going from 13.5 N/A to 12.99 is like going from 12.0 P/A to 11.5.
Bluerauder
07-19-2010, 04:09 PM
I won't say that it is impossible because Barry (Cruztaker) got awfully close with a stock internal engine....13.2 secs IIRC
Barry got to the 13.2 level pretty quickly (about 2 years) and turned that time at Mason-Dixon Dragway in Maryland during October 2004. Very cool air that night. Don't think that he was ever able to beat that time while his car was still N/A. He supercharged his MM in late 2008 or early 2009 before Carlisle 2009.
That's what I've been thinking....someone with a "just right" OEM engine.
Some (very few) Marauders have run mid-to-high 14s...bone stock.
The "fatbastid" took a 1st place trophy at Mason-Dixon by hitting a perfect 14.78 dial in time. Bone Stock trim. That was the same October 2004 night that Cruztaker hit his mark.
I was at the track that evening with a bunch from the CAM gang and the Northern Virginia Mustang Club. Air temperatures were low 50's as I recall. Low humidity too.
Paul T. Casey
07-19-2010, 04:30 PM
Yes, It's called the Bad Weld Howler!
Joe made me laugh, hard.
PonyUP
07-19-2010, 04:59 PM
How about this, I could care less what the car runs, I love it. I love that it turns heads, I love the way it sounds, and I love that it can haul more than it's own arse, it can haul my fat arse too.
If your happy with your ride, then you won't feel the need to prove the speed everytime you go out (unless it's a hemi) it will be enough to turn a few heads and suprise a few folks IMHO :beer:
But if your not happy with your ride, then you owe to yourself to get there by any means necessary.
12.99 may be slow to you, but to most cars out there, that will blow enough of their doors off that I'm happy. Just my two cents
RR|Suki
07-19-2010, 05:11 PM
Who gives a flying f if your car can do 12.99 N/A. It will still be slow and only repeatable under special circumstances. Just about every fast car made by the big three can do 12 something N/A.:argue: It's really killing me to drive a bone stock Marauder. I am going the fix that problem soon, but until then life sucks. For all you N/A Marauder on the site "Your Marauder is slow, it's slower then Bob, it's slower then Pop, and it's slower then Doom". Put a power adder on and life is good.
lol, true statements
SpartaPerformance
07-19-2010, 05:29 PM
I know that Blackened300A is still in the fight despite the recent motor failure.
RacerX
07-19-2010, 05:46 PM
You guys also need to understand, this is a bit easier to do now. I got my car on my birthday, July 27th of last year, for 6k. Just about every single part I've got for less than half to a third of brand new. Even the Cobra forged sb I got on sale! I have spent less than what I paid to get the car in the first place to in all probability make it into the 12's N/A! Mind you, I don't win, ported heads! :D BUT! My point is, right now is a great time to go shopping for parts on here and the pony forums. Some of you, may have paid original sticker and put another 5k+ on top when the mods were brand new and everyone was figuring out what works.
Btw, sb should be here in twelve days!!!
lastdaze04
07-19-2010, 06:17 PM
I guess we will wait for fall/early winter. If I remember I will try and revive the thread around that time of year:beer: I hope someone will still be trying by then.:eek:
Rick
I think if one wanted to do 12.99 NA they could. Get the inside flat rear door pannels from a CVPI, and do a rear seat delete. Take out all the back carpet, and put the battery in the trunk over the right rear axle. Go with an aluminum flywheel and carbon fiber drive shaft, light weight rims, maybe a carbon fiber hood and roof. Might have to pull the A/C and passenger seat...
The weight of the car is what kills it. Just need to drop close to 750 lbs, do all the bolt ons, and get the right size/grip to the tires.
SC Cheesehead
07-20-2010, 03:55 AM
I think if one wanted to do 12.99 NA they could. Get the inside flat rear door pannels from a CVPI, and do a rear seat delete. Take out all the back carpet, and put the battery in the trunk over the right rear axle. Go with an aluminum flywheel and carbon fiber drive shaft, light weight rims, maybe a carbon fiber hood and roof. Might have to pull the A/C and passenger seat...
The weight of the car is what kills it. Just need to drop close to 750 lbs, do all the bolt ons, and get the right size/grip to the tires.
Car's gotta weigh at least 4,000 lbs to meet the challenge:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50483&highlight=12+sec
vkirkend
07-20-2010, 05:29 AM
Sorry about the intensity. I have been here since 2002 and have seen the fastest and slowest Marauders on the track. What I am saying is the goal of 12.99 N/A has little meaning. Most of the 13 second guys are content at that level and are having fun. To push a N/A car under 13 seconds decreases your return on investment. What you get is a false sense of joy as you rub up to your cars limit's.
Don't play unless you can pay and I am paying every f-ing day for my mistakes. I need a stimulus plan.
:D:lol::bounce::rock::drink:
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 05:39 AM
I think if one wanted to do 12.99 NA they could. Get the inside flat rear door pannels from a CVPI, and do a rear seat delete. Take out all the back carpet, and put the battery in the trunk over the right rear axle. Go with an aluminum flywheel and carbon fiber drive shaft, light weight rims, maybe a carbon fiber hood and roof. Might have to pull the A/C and passenger seat...
The weight of the car is what kills it. Just need to drop close to 750 lbs, do all the bolt ons, and get the right size/grip to the tires.
I guess that we are going to re-hash this again....
OEM longblock (untouched internally)
OEM interior (not stripped/gutted/seatless)
OEM body panels (no lightweight hoods/trunks/etc.)
Bolt on ANY engine mod you want, any rear gear, any tune, any exhaust set-up, any drag tire, any :blah: :blah: :blah:....
Then realize, like I did, that it would've been much easier and cheaper to bolt on a Trilogy S/C and have be done with it!
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 07:28 AM
I know that Blackened300A is still in the fight despite the recent motor failure.
I guess it's really between Paul and I then. I think I am less than a tenth of a second behind him.
It seems a member named Maryland has gone 13.10 NA
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/member.php?u=9030
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 07:45 AM
I guess it's really between Paul and I then. I think I am less than a tenth of a second behind him.
It seems a member named Maryland has gone 13.10 NA
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/member.php?u=9030
He is making a good bit more than 303 RWHP if he is hitting the traps at 104 mph.
That's the trap speed I was running when hitting 12.9s with 325 RWHP.
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 07:55 AM
He is making a good bit more than 303 RWHP if he is hitting the traps at 104 mph.
That's the trap speed I was running when hitting 12.9s with 325 RWHP.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57204
musclemerc
07-20-2010, 08:10 AM
Good find Birdman. I'm gonna add this info to my list.
RacerX
07-20-2010, 08:16 AM
How much do horse jockeys weigh? We don't have to drive our own cars do we? :D
Actually, he was putting out about 380@ the crank. That intake must have helped as advertised...
RR|Suki
07-20-2010, 08:17 AM
He is making a good bit more than 303 RWHP if he is hitting the traps at 104 mph.
That's the trap speed I was running when hitting 12.9s with 325 RWHP.
I think the second attached dyno pull shows 317 doesn't it?
*edit* never mind those are both tq numbers. 13.18 seems fast for that little power. . . sea level track in the freezing cold? :-D
Tuff rules... You would need all the major bolt ons.
So one could slap a 6 speed auto from a 2011 Mustang with 4.30 rear end gears and a carbon fiber drive shaft, and a custom suspention and replace some under braces?
I think I might start looking at the new 6 speed auto in the Mustangs.
justbob
07-20-2010, 08:53 AM
How in the world is anything WELL under 375-385 running low 13's?? Do I have a freakishly SLOW car then? Along with anyone with only a Trilogy?? The average time for a "out of the box" Trilogy with no other supporting mods is 12.9-13.4 from what I have gathered. That is supposed to be 375-385 on average with only the kit. I know of another T car with 4.10's that is currently at 12.9. Are you guys running a 5.13 gear or what???
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 09:24 AM
How in the world is anything WELL under 375-385 running low 13's?? Do I have a freakishly SLOW car then? Along with anyone with only a Trilogy?? The average time for a "out of the box" Trilogy with no other supporting mods is 12.9-13.4 from what I have gathered. That is supposed to be 375-385 on average with only the kit. I know of another T car with 4.10's that is currently at 12.9. Are you guys running a 5.13 gear or what???
Are you talking about crank or rear wheel HP?
325 RWHP will get it done....12s N/A that is.
cougar9150
07-20-2010, 09:37 AM
Anyone know where to get one of the ported intakes now? I know Naz is out of business and after all the crap everyone else went through I would rather try to do it myself than send it to him.
I'm going to check w/Pauls high performance and see if he will still do it. Any help someone could give in pointing me to a reputable porter for this intake work it would be appreciated.
I know boost is a long ways off for me so I may see about taking this path for the next couple years and seeing what can be done. I figure I'm fairly close with my current setup and the stuff I am doing shortly.
I'm getting the single adjustable Naakes from Drewstang soon, might move the battery and air compressor to the trunk during the suspension work, and will also be installing new ignition coils soon. I'll also be doing some exhaust work soon adding high flow cats, I'm just still deciding what I'm doing for the mid-pipes and x/h-pipe. I also might add some cut outs if it will be beneficial for the track.
Then I figure add UDs, a ported intake, maybe some line locks, then slap on some drag radials and it might be a go. I'll have to actually learn how to race first and then work on the times since I have never been down the 1320 with me driving.
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 10:00 AM
PHP wants $1,200 to rework your own intake, now that I can say is a waste of money.
justbob
07-20-2010, 10:07 AM
Are you talking about crank or rear wheel HP?
325 RWHP will get it done....12s N/A that is.
RWHP. That is the only real number. You guys must be relying heavily on gear at that HP. I only asked because that is at minimum 50 less RWHP than a t kit. A t kit that will average 12.9 - 13.4 (on stock gear). 50 RWHP should be a HUGE differance.
Like I said before, mine is currently at 445 RWHP (120 RWHP more) and with not perfect weather (although certainately not the worst), a small amount of spin (old DR's) and at a track that I have allways not done well at I rolled through at a 12.9/12.80/12.80 and finally just gave up. I know there is a MUCH better time in her, but things were not as bad as they seem.
Also, SRT/8's seem to average 13.5's and they are also well above that 325 RWHP mark, although I have no clue on the trans gearing or rear gear.
What exactly was the temp/humidity/sea level to allow a 325 RWHP car to yield a 12.9?
Just curious is all, or maybe even frustrated is a better word as I should be in the 11's according to the math.
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 10:17 AM
RWHP. That is the only real number. You guys must be relying heavily on gear at that HP. I only asked because that is at minimum 50 less RWHP than a t kit. A t kit that will average 12.9 - 13.4 (on stock gear). 50 RWHP should be a HUGE differance.
Like I said before, mine is currently at 445 RWHP (120 RWHP more) and with not perfect weather (although certainately not the worst), a small amount of spin (old DR's) and at a track that I have allways not done well at I rolled through at a 12.9/12.80/12.80 and finally just gave up. I know there is a MUCH better time in her, but things were not as bad as they seem.
Also, SRT/8's seem to average 13.5's and they are also well above that 325 RWHP mark, although I have no clue on the trans gearing or rear gear.
What exactly was the temp/humidity/sea level to allow a 325 RWHP car to yield a 12.9?
Just curious is all, or maybe even frustrated is a better word as I should be in the 11's according to the math.
JoeWalsh made his runs 11/19/06, temps were low-mid 40's, no humidity and sea level is about +20 ft.
I was there when he ran 13.0 then 12.9 and 12.9 again.
justbob
07-20-2010, 10:29 AM
Well that right there explains alot. We are at 838+ from what I looked up, humidity is always an issue, and the temps are at minimum 30* less than my last time out, not even taking into effect my IATS from a roots system compared to Joe's. This alone changes everything. Thanks for clarifing Chris.
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 10:33 AM
JoeWalsh made his runs 11/19/06, temps were low-mid 40's, no humidity and sea level is about +20 ft.
I was there when he ran 13.0 then 12.9 and 12.9 again.
Wow! Was it that cold at Capitol Raceway?
I thought that it was in the low-mid 50s.....I know that the DR tires were hooking great.
It was cold, dry air that day.
BTW: I just checked a HP/weight -> 1/4 mile time/trap speed calculator
Using both my ET and my trap speed for a 4,400 lb car; both calculate to 385 RWHP.
I dynoed at 325 RWHP/ 340 RWTQ......
Barry ran a 13.2 in cool, dry air with RWHP in the low 300s also....:dunno:
Well that right there explains alot. We are at 838+ from what I looked up, humidity is always an issue, and the temps are at minimum 30* less than my last time out, not even taking into effect my IATS from a roots system compared to Joe's. This alone changes everything. Thanks for clarifing Chris.
Must be our location Bob, track location and conditions will be critical to running 12"s.
musclemerc
07-20-2010, 10:45 AM
Your already making the most :eek: AMAZING :eek: horsepower why bother with more?
OK...OK... I'll stop.
You can goto SVTP.net and PM NASVT or goto Mach1.net and PM Roy.
These are reputable Port guy's. They don't do PSRI's and FYI I will praise this mod just for you :bows:
Anyone know where to get one of the ported intakes now? I know Naz is out of business and after all the crap everyone else went through I would rather try to do it myself than send it to him.
I'm going to check w/Pauls high performance and see if he will still do it. Any help someone could give in pointing me to a reputable porter for this intake work it would be appreciated.
I know boost is a long ways off for me so I may see about taking this path for the next couple years and seeing what can be done. I figure I'm fairly close with my current setup and the stuff I am doing shortly.
I'm getting the single adjustable Naakes from Drewstang soon, might move the battery and air compressor to the trunk during the suspension work, and will also be installing new ignition coils soon. I'll also be doing some exhaust work soon adding high flow cats, I'm just still deciding what I'm doing for the mid-pipes and x/h-pipe. I also might add some cut outs if it will be beneficial for the track.
Then I figure add UDs, a ported intake, maybe some line locks, then slap on some drag radials and it might be a go. I'll have to actually learn how to race first and then work on the times since I have never been down the 1320 with me driving.
justbob
07-20-2010, 10:53 AM
Wow! Was it that cold at Capitol Raceway?
I thought that it was in the low-mid 50s.....I know that the DR tires were hooking great.
It was cold, dry air that day.
BTW: I just checked a HP/weight -> 1/4 mile time/trap speed calculator
Using both my ET and my trap speed for a 4,400 lb car; both calculate to 385 RWHP.
I dynoed at 325 RWHP/ 340 RWTQ......
Barry ran a 13.2 in cool, dry air with RWHP in the low 300s also....:dunno:
Then the mystery is solved. Up here, those numbers just don't add up. It is amazing what good air will get you!:(
Must be our location Bob, track location and conditions will be critical to running 12"s.
Your right. I run at Byron (allways the WORST timeslips), Great lakes (wis.) and average AWESOME times all night on street tires! but there is simply not enough shut down there, and US41 (ind.) where I have allways ran my best even with passengers and not even really trying with more than enough shut down area to feel safe.
I will be returning to US41 in oct probably on the coolest driest air dang it! I really need to shatter my record as I know she has ALOT more in her now. Then I will be happy. Maybe.
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 11:06 AM
Wow! Was it that cold at Capitol Raceway?
I thought that it was in the low-mid 50s.....I know that the DR tires were hooking great.
It was cold, dry air that day.
BTW: I just checked a HP/weight -> 1/4 mile time/trap speed calculator
Using both my ET and my trap speed for a 4,400 lb car; both calculate to 385 RWHP.
I dynoed at 325 RWHP/ 340 RWTQ......
Barry ran a 13.2 in cool, dry air with RWHP in the low 300s also....:dunno:
I think gearing plays a big part to. If you didn't run the 16" drag radials I don't think you would of got the 12.99. Did the calculator take into effect your upgraded torque converter and running an effective 3.89/3.90 rear gear?
All this is making me want to hit the track asap to see what I can do on street tires (effective 4.04 rear gear) and then run on the 16" drag radials (effective 4.51 rear gear).
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 11:12 AM
I think gearing plays a big part to. If you didn't run the 16" drag radials I don't think you would of got the 12.99. Did the calculator take into effect your upgraded torque converter and running an effective 3.89/3.90 rear gear?
All this is making me want to hit the track asap to see what I can do on street tires (effective 4.04 rear gear) and then run on the 16" drag radials (effective 4.51 rear gear).
No, it didn't have inputs for gears nor stall convertor.
Yep, with my old 16" DRs and the OEM 3.55s, I had a '3.89' effective gear.
Best 1/4 time so far was a 12.938 secs @ 104.58 mph.
RacerX
07-20-2010, 11:31 AM
Wow! Was it that cold at Capitol Raceway?
I thought that it was in the low-mid 50s.....I know that the DR tires were hooking great.
It was cold, dry air that day.
BTW: I just checked a HP/weight -> 1/4 mile time/trap speed calculator
Using both my ET and my trap speed for a 4,400 lb car; both calculate to 385 RWHP.
I dynoed at 325 RWHP/ 340 RWTQ......
Barry ran a 13.2 in cool, dry air with RWHP in the low 300s also....:dunno:
What that calculator doesn't take into account is how soon or late you hit that peak and stay with it.
FordNut
07-20-2010, 11:43 AM
I don't remeber the temp, but at Atlanta Dragway I put down a 12.7 with a NA 5.3 pushing 360 rwhp.
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 11:49 AM
I don't remeber the temp, but at Atlanta Dragway I put down a 12.7 with a NA 5.3 pushing 360 rwhp.
:2thumbs:....Do you recall your trap speed?
I want to plug that into some of the 1/4 mile calculators.
FordNut
07-20-2010, 11:59 AM
:2thumbs:....Do you recall your trap speed?
I want to plug that into some of the 1/4 mile calculators.
I'll have to dig into my old timeslips.
RR|Suki
07-20-2010, 12:19 PM
Being able to run at a track so near sea level is the boss, I can only dream :burnout:
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 12:54 PM
Being able to run at a track so near sea level is the boss, I can only dream :burnout:
Even better when it gets nice and cold, one semi local track stays open until late December (weather providing) and they prep the track very good even when temps are in the 30's.
All this is making me want to hit the track asap
With all this heat you might see high 13's at capital. Good luck with your 12 second dreams this month.
ctrlraven
07-20-2010, 01:10 PM
With all this heat you might see high 13's at capital. Good luck with your 12 second dreams this month.
:lol:
I'm not dreaming of 12's this month anyways. I still have LT headers, full mandrel bent exhaust piping, MSD launch control, UD pulleys, SW water pump, J-mod, driveshaft, maybe some intake manifold work and a dyno tune to do.
I may run at Capitol but most likely it will be 75 & 80 since it's closer to my house but my girlfriend does live within about 2 miles from Capitol.
Joe Walsh
07-20-2010, 01:42 PM
:lol:
I'm not dreaming of 12's this month anyways. I still have LT headers, full mandrel bent exhaust piping, MSD launch control, UD pulleys, SW water pump, J-mod, driveshaft, maybe some intake manifold work and a dyno tune to do.
I may run at Capitol but most likely it will be 75 & 80 since it's closer to my house but my girlfriend does live within about 2 miles from Capitol.
Chris, just remember that 75-80 is higher elevation and the track runs slightly uphill....
most cars run .1 - .15 seconds slower at 75-80 all other things being equal.
ctrlraven
07-21-2010, 05:54 AM
Chris, just remember that 75-80 is higher elevation and the track runs slightly uphill....
most cars run .1 - .15 seconds slower at 75-80 all other things being equal.
Thanks for the reminder!
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