Supercharged Marauder for 05'

[Jerry Barnes]

Someone posted a thread about a S/C Marauder for 05. Yes, they are having those discussions, we know because the discussion are with us. That's all I can say. But, the Vice President of Product Development, Phil Martins, drove our car about two weeks ago. We made a very good impression.

In the meantime, we will be supercharging all of the 03' and 04' Marauders.

Stay Tuned!!!!

[Bigdogjim]

Thanks for the update:)

[GarageMahal]

Interesting news...

Is there any chance that there would be a super charger add on that would not void the factory warranty? That would shave at least a year off my wait for the ultimate power add on :)

jta

[Jerry Barnes]

Let me see, superchargers and warranty in the same sentence? I don't think so! ask yourself,"what is the warranty coverage on any SVT vehicle" and that's the BEST you could ever expect. Don't expect the BEST, ha ha ha! They are great customers for us, but they are also very conservative.

I would personally love to see 4 valve, 3 valve and 2 valve guys and gals get superchargers. Oops I just gave away our plans!

See Ya!!

[JET]

Originally posted by Jerry Barnes
Someone posted a thread about a S/C Marauder for 05. Yes, they are having those discussions, we know because the discussion are with us. That's all I can say. But, the Vice President of Product Development, Phil Martins, drove our car about two weeks ago. We made a very good impression.

That's awesome Jerry I hope it works out for all of us.

[bigslim]

Jerry, is there a number or e-mail that we can send to Ford to pressure them into keeping the MM and superchargering it in 05? I long list of plea's would really help the cause. If you get a survey or other letter I'm sure we would all sign it. I would buy one in a heart beat.

[CRUZTAKER]

Now THAT'S representin' :up:

[KraziKid]

I remember reading about the prototype SCed Marauder (sedan, not the convertable), but it only had 350 HP (I believe at the crank, not the rear wheels). This is no where near the power level's that you guys are getting with any of the kits. Do you think that Ford will take a kit like the one's your selling so we can get 400-450 RWHP (That's like what, 500-550 at the crank?)?

[Jerry Barnes]

Ford will be very conservative in their offering. So 350 hp will be at the crank. If they offer our kit, it would be de-tuned to satisfy their requirements.

[SergntMac]

Oh Jeeze...Ford is the "girlfriend from Hell" after all.

I suspected as much, but didn't trust my own feelings until now.


She treats you like sh*it, but it's the best sex you ever had.
She beats you up emotionally, but it's the best sex you ever had.
She steals your money right out of your wallet before your own eyes while telling you that you are "lucky" to be able to offer her this "gift." Others are not so "chosen" you know...
Your home is never tidy, let alone clean enough for her to visit...Ever. She will not be seen on this side of town.
Your clothes are never right. Right size, or, right colors. She has a contract hit on your tailor.
You will never stand tall beside her in public, let alone next to her. She is the show, you're her accessory, her tool kit.
You don't make enough money, you never will.
You're lazy, she's loves to run.
You smoke, she has perfect lungs.
You drink, she loves juice, but not your kind.
You like popular movies, but she is your all time favorite action figure.
You try to figure it all out and you can't, because it the best sex you ever had.
You're pus*sy whipped, she's your whip.
You swear on your Mother's grave, that you will never answer your phone again. Yet, you continue to breath only for the second her number appears on your caller ID. Whenever she does call, no matter where you are in your life, or, what you are doing at that moment, you answer. And answer as if you just spoke to her five minutes ago, despite her 30 year absence in your life while she was out exploring her options...
You want more of her, because it is the best sex you ever had...

You're dating Ford.

Any questions?

[KraziKid]

Originally posted by Jerry Barnes
Ford will be very conservative in their offering. So 350 hp will be at the crank. If they offer our kit, it would be de-tuned to satisfy their requirements.

All right, that's what I was wondering. So for us speed junkie's, we'd be better off keeping out 03-04 Marauder's, and adding a SC kit (like the trilogy/eaton blower, reinharts or kenny browns) if we wanted more power. I know I eventually want to SC my car, but I figured if the 05 was coming out and had a real amount of power to it, it could be worth it. But it seems like the cheaper, and more powerful way would be to purchased a SC kit for our cars.

[merc406]

50 extra horses, why bother, looks like instead of waiting for a factory version I'll be buying a used 03 and do my own thing.

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by Jerry Barnes
Someone posted a thread about a S/C Marauder for 05. Yes, they are having those discussions, we know because the discussion are with us. That's all I can say. But, the Vice President of Product Development, Phil Martins, drove our car about two weeks ago. We made a very good impression.

so, there might be a 2005 Marauder.
I had a feeling all the Marauder activities, and the seeming 2004 sales, were getting fords attention


Originally posted by Jerry Barnes
In the meantime, we will be supercharging all of the 03' and 04' Marauders.

Stay Tuned!!!!

But not for Ford, right? There is no "retrofit" programme?

[Bigdogjim]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Oh Jeeze...Ford is the "girlfriend from Hell" after all.

I suspected as much, but didn't trust my own feelings until now.


She treats you like sh*it, but it's the best sex you ever had.
She beats you up emotionally, but it's the best sex you ever had.
She steals your money right out of your wallet before your own eyes while telling you that you are "lucky" to be able to offer her this "gift." Others are not so "chosen" you know...
Your home is never tidy, let alone clean enough for her to visit...Ever. She will not be seen on this side of town.
Your clothes are never right. Right size, or, right colors. She has a contract hit on your tailor.
You will never stand tall beside her in public, let alone next to her. She is the show, you're her accessory, her tool kit.
You don't make enough money, you never will.
You're lazy, she's loves to run.
You smoke, she has perfect lungs.
You drink, she loves juice, but not your kind.
You like popular movies, but she is your all time favorite action figure.
You try to figure it all out and you can't, because it the best sex you ever had.
You're pus*sy whipped, she's your whip.
You swear on your Mother's grave, that you will never answer your phone again. Yet, you continue to breath only for the second her number appears on your caller ID. Whenever she does call, no matter where you are in your life, or, what you are doing at that moment, you answer. And answer as if you just spoke to her five minutes ago, despite her 30 year absence in your life while she was out exploring her options...
You want more of her, because it is the best sex you ever had...

You're dating Ford.

Any questions?


No! But, we got you a woman...............:):):)

[Directedby]

I'll beleive it when I see it.

Considering the new body style is being developed for 2006, why would Mercury offer a SC Marauder in 2005 and go to all the trouble of fitting the SC for one year??

Also, sales are dismal.

They removed the gas cap release, clock and map pockets, hood light, paint on valve covers and more for cripes sake to save money. So why on earth would they offer a SC on a car that is already considered overpriced even with a $4,000 rebate.

Anyway, it makes more sense if Mercury was considering the SC for the new 2006 body style.

Again, for 2005, I will believe when I see it.

[studio460]

Since Directedby brought up the '06 redesign of the Panther platform, I thought I'd steal an older post of mine and repost it here--mainly 'cause I keep forgetting the details myself . . .

//////////////REPOST//////////////

Originally posted 05-22-03 by NBC Shooter:

By the way, Automotive News has been reporting that Ford is planning a "redesign" of the CV/GMs in 2005 or 2006.*** Automotive News' "future products" table has changed a few times in past months as to both the year ('05 or '06) and extent of the redesign. Also, a recent Automotive News article I read, that I couldn't relocate on the site, I think retracted the "redesign" term and instead indicated that a more moderate restyling of the CV/GMs are expected. Nevertheless, the site's future products table still states "redesign" in '05 or '06 model year.


***[Restyling terms from Automotive News' website, autonews.com:]

"Carryover: Identical to the model sold the previous year; new colors, seating fabric may be offered.

"Freshen: Sheet metal untouched; may include new grille, fascia, headlights or taillights.

"Reskin: Minor styling changes to sheet metal; front or rear styling changed from previous year or both changed.

"Restyle: Same platform as previous year, but extensive changes to interior and exterior design; looks totally different from previous year's model.

"Redesign: New platform; new interior and exterior styling; however, engine and transmission could be carryover from previous model year."

////////////END_REPOST////////////

P.S. Kudos to Jerry Barnes at Trilogy for sharing his first-hand knowledge of the situation with us MM.net members! Thanks, Jerry!

[Directedby]

Want to make sure my earlier post didn't seem bitter and I also want to than Jerry for sharing this info.

Here is a picture of a CV/Panther platofrm '05 concept car that NBC Shooter wrote about.

[Directedby]

Rear

[Directedby]

Another

[JCMM]

Originally posted by SergntMac
You swear on your Mother's grave, that you will never answer your phone again. Yet, you continue to breath only for the second her number appears on your caller ID. Whenever she does call, no matter where you are in your life, or, what you are doing at that moment, you answer. And answer as if you just spoke to her five minutes ago, despite her 30 year absence in your life while she was out exploring her options...
You want more of her, because it is the best sex you ever had...

You're dating Ford.

Any questions?

Ford? I thought that was Paris Hilton

[2003Marauder]

Directedby,

Your post about removing items did seem a little bitter. I had an '03 for 16 months and have had the '04 for 13 days but 9 of those days were vacation days showing off my '04 to everyone in LA & TX. I don't miss any of the "missing" items. In fact, I'm glad they're gone.

They removed:
Gas cap release-- never had a car with one and I was always having to reopen the door to open the gas cap. Also opened the trunk many times when I wanted to open the gas cap or vice versa. In my opinion the buttons were too close to each other. Now it's a no brainer--the button opens just the trunk.

Clock in dash--alway collecting dust, and it wasn't at eye level as it is with the clock in the radio. Also if you ever replace the standard radio on an '03 with an aftermarket it's likely to have a clock too. I like the cleaner look of the dash--without the clock.

Front seat map pockets--Too 'old fashioned for my tastes. I didn't like the way those frilly pockets felt on the back of my legs.--especially with shorts on. Also, wife and kids always putting trash, combs, etc. in the pockets--which I had to clean out.

Hood light--I open my hood up on both my cars after parking car in the garage. I think it prolongs life of plastic componets such as hoses and wires. Having the hood up reminds me to check fluids before I put the hood down. I take out the hood bulbs anyway. Can't see worth a flip with them and I've burned my head and arms on them a few times. I keep a good lattern in the trunk.

Valve covers not painted---I agree with an earlier poster that it makes the engine look bigger. When I showed the '04 to freinds,
several asked if it had a bigger engine and all said it looked bigger. Then I reminded them that the '03 engine was painted black and everyone replied, "Why'd they do that? It looks better without the paint." To each his own, but now I don't have to wipe the dust off the alum covers like I did with the black covers.

Maybe the bean counters asked for cost reduction but I bet they did not actually specify what items were to be removed.
Anyway, these were minor, minor removals--which I think were smart choices.

[Hemlock]

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR WORK IN PROGRESS AND FORD . HOPE THE FINAL CAR HAS A 6 SPEED AUTOMATIC , AND SC . THERE IS A PLACE IN MY GARAGE ANYTIME THAT PACKAGE IS READY . CHEERS!!!

[MarauderMike]

I would imagine we can safely think the package can be retuned to our satisfaction, you have to remember the constraints any automaker is under with a performance vehicle i.e. liability, ability for the consumer to insure the vehicle at a reasonable price to name a couple. Hopefully Jerry can expand on this, but since Trilogy took a 302 hp rating and comfortably gets it to 389-390 hp, some other vendors show some higher number, I would think it is a good assumption that we could expect roughly the same hp increase on the new car if Ford would beef up the short block some, or perhaps use the 4.6 2 valve instead. What I really would like to know is if there is a design change for the 2005, can't find anything yet that would tell me. In any event it is great news that the Marauder may not go away at all. I think everyone should pat themselves on the back, particularily are supporting vendors, for showing Ford there is a great enthusiasm for this car. Now Mercury, how about some more commercials?????????????

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by Directedby
Want to make sure my earlier post didn't seem bitter and I also want to than Jerry for sharing this info.

Here is a picture of a CV/Panther platofrm '05 concept car that NBC Shooter wrote about.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=83686

I think if those pictures were posted somewhere as the 2005 or 2006 restyle they are stretching things some.
That car was a Police Interceptor specific concept vehicle unveiled at the NY auto show a couple of years back.

The restyle will more likely contain elements from the 427 styling concept if anything.

[RCSignals]

2003Marauder

Good points. Unpainted valve covers is pretty typical on aluminium engines these days. the "new" Dodge Hemi I saw didn't have painted valve covers either.

[Directedby]

Originally posted by 2003Marauder
Directedby,

Your post about removing items did seem a little bitter. I had an '03 for 16 months and have had the '04 for 13 days but 9 of those days were vacation days showing off my '04 to everyone in LA & TX. I don't miss any of the "missing" items. In fact, I'm glad they're gone.


I agree. I like the dash better without the clock and the seats better without the pocket.

The point I was trying to make was that considering Ford is trying to cut money from the car, why would they up the price with an SC on a soon to be old model.

[TAF]

I LIKE my '03 300A...thank you very much...:D

you guys just have...."spare tire envy"....:lol:

[2003Marauder]

DirectedBy, Point taken. Just wanted to vent a little about the missing stuff. Also, The Buick Park Avenue has a regular V-6 but the ULTRA edition has the SC V-6. I didn't know this until my Uncle came for a visit. Maybe this is what Merc is trying to do. If they kept the price in line, I think abouot trading in the SC T-bird in a year or two for one.

[b4z]

50 hp from a supercharger doesn't seem like much but it is the TORQUE that does the talking and that will be increased greatly by a supercharger.
I still say the 5 speed auto from the Explorere will solve any and all low end power complaints in the Marauder.

[Marauder57]

That Police Cruzer is pretty cool looking.....hope I don't see that thing in my back mirror....

[bugsys03]

50 horse to the crank=40 to the wheels. a good dyno tune will get you half of that for $150. IF ford comes out with this you are looking at probably a 45k sticker. they think sales suck now?

[Bowman9]

I'm curious... if ford does produce a Trilogy supercharged Marauder in 2005, will that bring down the price of the s/c kit seeing that it will be mass produced?

[John F. Russo]

Directedby

"They removed the gas cap release, clock and map pockets, hood light, paint on valve covers..."


Is it possible to buy and retrofit this "gas cap release"?

______________________________ _____________
2003 Blue 300B (Canadian) (reversed traction control, mini spare,
trunked 6 disc CD changer,clock-in-the-radio, heated front
seats, hood light)
-Born 12/10/02
-12,000 miles
-18 mpg at a steady speed of 80 mph
-Stock transmission (upgraded with Performance Automatic
clutches and band after stock tranny failed in 8,800 miles)
-Wheel locks (Ford)
-Badgeless front grille by “Zack”
-Zaino waxing
Kenny Brown: 6th “signature series” conversion (450 hp) Born
3/28/03
-Dead pedal
-Baer front brakes 14 in. two piston, vented rotors
-MMX Driveshaft
-377 RWTQ
-4.10 gears
-Vortech supercharger (7 to 8 psig boost)
-Pirelli P-Zero Asymmetric (front 255/45ZR18 99Y;rear
255/50ZR18 102Y)
-FordChip
-One coil of each front stock spring removed to produce
the “same” effect as an Eibach spring
-Ground clearance: 5 in.
______________________________ ______________________
1961 Ford Galaxie, 2 dr. Club Victoria, 390CID, 375hp, 4 barrel

[RCSignals]

John F. Russo

Some people have done that, or are working on it.

[deerejoe]

The issue of decontenting models/series, etc. is disconcerting to buyers of a perceived value.
I personally would feel slighted (and did) when my 300A was delivered without the trunk organizer. The dealer was quick to install one to my satisfaction as well an after-market heated seat(s) option. The Marauder I originally test drove at another dealer location had ALL the equipment of the early 300A models and I became enamored with them.

To me, a $35K+ (MSRP) vehicle SHOULD come with all the "bells & whistles" possible.
The exterior was bereft enough of styling queue's.
The interior is where I spend my time while driving.
The MORE amenities for my pleasure the better I feel about selecting THIS vehicle for purchase.

DirectedBy makes a valid (not bitter) point in reference to this subject.

I like STUFF!!
It appeals to my salient interests.

Removing bulbs and opening hoods are all very creative ideas.
Cleaning map pockets and dusting dash orifices' are just more of life's mundane activities deprived to those with 300B models....

[RCSignals]

The trunk organiser was and is an optional order item, not a decontented item

[deerejoe]

Thanx, RC.
I always need to be reminded of blurbs and bloopers.

The point remains: All the stuff that was originally offered, whether optional or otherwise.

Buy the best and only cry once!!

[RCSignals]

I agree, originally there were only two options for the MM. So why not have them all!

[SergntMac]

Someone posted a thread about a S/C Marauder for 05. Yes, they are having those discussions, we know because the discussion are with us. That's all I can say. But, the Vice President of Product Development, Phil Martins, drove our car about two weeks ago. We made a very good impression. Stay Tuned!!!!

Any news for us on this Jerry?