This is what happens when you practice witchcraft

[PonyUP]

To each their own, we have a wide spread of various political beliefs on this forum, but stupid is stupid no matter what party platform you are on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/christine-odonnell-church-and-state_n_767910.html

[tbone]

Obama admits he snorted cocaine during college. How stupid is that? (Not that he admitted it, but that he would stick that crap in his nose.)
Never see any stories about THAT on the Puffington Host.

[PonyUP]

Obama admits he snorted cocaine during college. How stupid is that?

Definitely stupid, honest, but stupid. But to not know the first amendment is the amendment that contains the separation of church and state is just as stupid, perhaps in more so when running to be US Senator. Every party has stupid nutbags, not trying to dig on the tea party or bring up our past, just thought this was funny

:beer:

[tbone]

I agree. Just funny about all the hand wringing over this woman by the left.

[tbone]

Even stupider was when the Dems dismissed the constitution, on camera no less, when passing Obamacare.

[Raven34]

This is sad and why I dont like politicians. I mean c'mon the FIRST amendment? you can even figure that one out?? not to mention the others she didnt remember.

"....Are you smarter than a fifth grader?...."

[PonyUP]

Well there's so many nutbags in this election it's hard to choose. There's O'Donnel, then there's Paladino, everytime he opens his mouth he seems to get into deeper trouble. If he respects the institution of marriage so much, it doesn't seem right to send a mass email of a beastiality video. Or then there's that guy that dresses like a nazi for war reenactments and states, from a military standpoint, they really accomplished some great things.

Too bad they don't have a none of the above option on the ballot's

[sailsmen]

Definitely stupid, honest, but stupid. But to not know the first amendment is the amendment that contains the separation of church and state is just as stupid, perhaps in more so when running to be US Senator. Every party has stupid nutbags, not trying to dig on the tea party or bring up our past, just thought this was funny

:beer:

Frankly you are the STUPID ONE. :beer: You did not listen APPARENTLY to the debate and you did not read the CONSTITUTION.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

IT is the "Holy Grail" of the Left that the Constitution says "separation of church and state". This is a lie. Please point out where The Constitution says this.

Had you listened to the debate you would have heard that as a result of O'Donnel's questions Coon's changed his statements to "decisional law" and "as interpeted".

Coons the "Bearded Marxist" who praises Marxist is a threat to our Freedom.

What is really funny is some of Biden and Obama gaffe's. What is not funny is the 55% increase in Public Debt in 2 years and BUDGETING another 55% increase in Public Debt bringing us from 40% to 63% to 90% of GDP over the next 10 years putting us where Greece was 2 years ago. That's right they have knowingly planned our complete fnancial collapse!

The 4 minute mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg&feature=player_embedded#!

[RR|Suki]

IT is the "Holy Grail" of the Left that the Constitution says "separation of church and state". This is a lie. Please point out where The Constitution says this.


:lol: right here. . . "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

[Leadfoot281]

I'll give her a pass on this one. She's not going to be on the Supreme Court. She's running for the Senate. The same senate Joe Biden once worked on. If you can fog a mirror, you're qualified to be a US Senator!

This is America. We have tax cheats write our tax laws! We let fat people manage our health care! We let ambulance chasers and trial lawyers write all the other laws...that always benefit themselves.

I still have absolutely no idea why if a person is running for Local Dog Catcher, people need to know if they're pro-choice/pro-life. Why?! What difference does it make? Irrelevant questions get asked of these people all the time. It makes me wonder, whos dumber, the answers or the people asking the questions?

Also, since they're busy re-writing the Christian Bible so that gays can marry, why not edit the Koran so that Muslims can finally eat pork? I'm looking at you Iowa. You guys make a lot of Pork. Well, how about it? Isn't about time you folks did something about the pork descrimination against Muslims?

Seperation of Church and State...Ha! Dream on, that's been dead for years.

[MrBluGruv]

I think the citing of the first amendment to prohibit public religious practices is mostly used to try to quash religion in the country. My feeling may not be terribly well-founded, but it does seem awfully convenient how only the first part of that phrase seems to be payed any attention...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."


I don't think it's legal for government to take ANY stand on religion whatsoever, with the exception of religious beliefs interfering with the rights we believe to be natural rights. If they can't tell you religion is the way to go, so they shouldn't be allowed to tell you it is NOT the way to go.


Interesting read kinda in the same vein I'm talking about:
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2010/09/03/tyranny-over-religion/

[CBT]

I'll give her a pass on this one. She's not going to be on the Supreme Court. She's running for the Senate. The same senate Joe Biden once worked on. If you can fog a mirror, you're qualified to be a US Senator!

This is America. We have tax cheats write our tax laws! We let fat people manage our health care! We let ambulance chasers and trial lawyers write all the other laws...that always benefit themselves.

I still have absolutely no idea why if a person is running for Local Dog Catcher, people need to know if they're pro-choice/pro-life. Why?! What difference does it make? Irrelevant questions get asked of these people all the time. It makes me wonder, whos dumber, the answers or the people asking the questions?

Also, since they're busy re-writing the Christian Bible so that gays can marry, why not edit the Koran so that Muslims can finally eat pork? I'm looking at you Iowa. You guys make a lot of Pork. Well, how about it? Isn't about time you folks did something about the pork descrimination against Muslims?

Seperation of Church and State...Ha! Dream on, that's been dead for years.
Awesome as usual! :beer:

[CBT]

Here's what some are on record as saying and/or supporting (I happen to think the last one is true):

... witches (ODonnell)
... privatizing social security (Boehner et al)
... Medicare deductible to $2,000 (Rand)
... would NOT lie to Hitler is she were hiding Jews (ODonnell)
... "taking out" reporters (paladino)
... shooting 2 unarmed iraqi men 60 times (Pantano)
... oppose "radical" anti-puppy mill legislation (JoePlummer & Teaps)
... restricting sexually active single women from teaching (Demint)
... people who tried to be Hare Krishnas (ODonnell)
... railing against illegals but hiring them (Whitman)
... candidates that claim they went to oxford but later recant (ODonnell)
... candidates that send racist & sexual emails (Paladino)
... candidates that claim opposing candidate was unfaithful (Paladino)
... candidates that claim evolution a myth (ODonnell)
... candidates that believe Minnesota is an independent republic (Emmer)
... candidates who wish to repeal civil rights legislation (Paul)
... candidates that believe scientists have engineered mice with fully functioning human brains (ODonnell)
... candidates that believe Clintons killed Vince Foster (ODonnell)

[CBT]

Some more zingers! Biden is, and was, an idiot. He doesn't misspeak, he is just an idiot:

"But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." (Pelosi)
…a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one" (Reid)
"Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs." (Pelosi)
Uh, uh, Chuck Graham, state senator, is here. Stand up, Chuck, let ‘em see you. Oh, God love you. What am I talking about. (Biden)
"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." (Obama)
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘look, here's what happened.’” (Biden)
“You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats.” (Pelosi)
“Paying taxes is voluntary…” (Reid)
“Could you say ’senator’ instead of ‘ma’am? It’s just a thing. I worked so hard to get that title. I’d appreciate it.” (Boxer)
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” (Feinstein)

[CBT]

Annnnnd more jocularity!

... opposed to abortion in cases of rape (Angle)
... masturbation is adultery (ODonnell)
... end social security (Angle)
... called BP's $20 billion fund a slush fund (Angle, Barton, ...)
... candidate that actually ran away from reporters (Angle)
... candidates who support Alaska militia (Joe Miller)
... reporters should only ask questions that candidates want to answer (Angle)
... after scrubbing her website, threatens to sue if her old website reposted by opposing candidate (Angle)
... people may need to resort to "2nd amendment remedies" against Obama's "tyranny" (Angle)
... candidates that back the carrying of assault rifles at political rallies (Joe Miller)
... advocates state take over of federal land in AK (Joe Miller)
... received over $7K in farm subsidies while his platform calls for slashing federal govt handouts (Joe Miller)
... wife received unemployment benefits while candidate calls unemployment benefits unconstititional (Joe Miller)

[sailsmen]

:lol: right here. . . "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Heard of the Church of England?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the fee exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Kook - The Constitution says you can only assemble with permission from the Government in the form of a permit.

ODumb - Where in the Constitution?

Kook - In the First Amendment.

ODumb - The First Amendment says that?

Kook - Decisional Law and as interpeted by the courts the First Amendment says you can peaceably assemble with a permit issued by the Government.

The Constitution is written in plain English. Liberals are the best tea leave and palm readers. I see tea leaves and a palm. Liberals see you are going to die unless you hand me over your money.

[RR|Suki]

Heard of the Church of England?

:lol::lol: wow, almost fell off the couch.

[Leadfoot281]

To each their own, we have a wide spread of various political beliefs on this forum, but stupid is stupid no matter what party platform you are on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/christine-odonnell-church-and-state_n_767910.html


Here is something else that happens when you practice witchcraft.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Nov-21-Tue-2006/news/10964992.html

Why the left won't leave this issue alone is beyond me. If a person can have a Pentacle placed on their tombstone in Arlington National Cemetary, they sure as hell ought to be able to hold political office.

[PonyUP]

Here is something else that happens when you practice witchcraft.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Nov-21-Tue-2006/news/10964992.html

Why the left won't leave this issue alone is beyond me. If a person can have a Pentacle placed on their tombstone in Arlington National Cemetary, they sure as hell ought to be able to hold political office.

That's actually a pretty neat article, and something I stand behind. I may not agree with what one's beliefs are, but I'll die defending their right to believe it, as such I'm glad Nevada "PonyUped and did the right thing and put the symbol on. What you do for one, you need to do for all.

[sailsmen]

Interesting in the number of Physicists who beleive in God.

As far as evolution if you ever have the opportunity to look beyond Earth or study the heavens I suggest you take it.

What is infinity? Cut a fork in half. Cut the half in half and so forth. There will always be something to cut in half. If there were not it would have never existed. Grasp infinity and you can grasp God.

What is very intersting "I know Karate Jimm McMillian Of the Rent is 2 Dam High Party" or Kristen Davis of the Anti-Prohibition Party".

[PonyUP]

Interesting in the number of Physicists who beleive in God.

As far as evolution if you ever have the opportunity to look beyond Earth or study the heavens I suggest you take it.

What is infinity? Cut a fork in half. Cut the half in half and so forth. There will always be something to cut in half. If there were not it would have never existed. Grasp infinity and you can grasp God.

What is very intersting "I know Karate Jimm McMillian Of the Rent is 2 Dam High Party" or Kristen Davis of the Anti-Prohibition Party".

I was raised Catholic and have studied many religions, I respect everyones right to believe what they believe, what I don't respect is someone forcing me to believe what they believe. I don't believe creationism is a valid teaching in school (I realize I mistyped in the previous post and said evolution) I don't believe creationism has a scientific basis to be taught, it's a religious belief based on faith and has no place in our schools. Just my opinion

[Jeronimojc]

Definitely stupid, honest, but stupid. But to not know the first amendment is the amendment that contains the separation of church and state is just as stupid, perhaps in more so when running to be US Senator. Every party has stupid nutbags, not trying to dig on the tea party or bring up our past, just thought this was funny

:beer:
I mean no disrespect but feel led to point out to the irony of this post. The poster mocks the candidate yet he clearly doesn't understand the discussion. The irony is that this is actually a very simple concept.

Just one more observation. I am relatively new here but was really intriged by the demographics of this community. It seemed to me this group is older, whiter, and right-er than the average online community group. I was pleasently surprised to see some support for "less government is better", "no more taxes", "No more bail outs", etc.

We live in a great country! Let's keep it great!

[sailsmen]

I was raised Catholic and have studied many religions, I respect everyones right to believe what they believe, what I don't respect is someone forcing me to believe what they believe. I don't believe creationism is a valid teaching in school (I realize I mistyped in the previous post and said evolution) I don't believe creationism has a scientific basis to be taught, it's a religious belief based on faith and has no place in our schools. Just my opinion

The theory of evolution is just that a theory. To understand evolution one has to look beyond Earth. Looking beyond Earth opens ones mind to the possibility of God.

[Jeronimojc]

I was raised Catholic and have studied many religions, I respect everyones right to believe what they believe, what I don't respect is someone forcing me to believe what they believe. I don't believe creationism is a valid teaching in school (I realize I mistyped in the previous post and said evolution) I don't believe creationism has a scientific basis to be taught, it's a religious belief based on faith and has no place in our schools. Just my opinion

I encourage you to pick up a book on creatonism. You'll learn that science supports creation. Some of the best scientists in human history were strong christians who believed in creation.

[sailsmen]

What is stupid is taking an oath to uphold something you do not believe in.

TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.

KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts."

[MrBluGruv]

I encourage you to pick up a book on creatonism. You'll learn that science supports creation.


I'll second that in at least a partial sense.

Astrophysics shows that the universe is constantly expanding exponentially, and given the rate of expansion (and the growth of the rate of expansion and so on) can be traced back pretty precisely (relatively speaking) to a point where it was at at one place, and arguably that is where "time" started. It's far from proof of God, but it's an interesting nod in that direction.

[kernie]

The theory of evolution is just that a theory. To understand evolution one has to look beyond Earth. Looking beyond Earth opens ones mind to the possibility of God.

Are you serious?

[kernie]

Allow me to ask this question.

Who here believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old?

[tbone]

Obama's entire life is one of smoke and mirrors. How the man can say all these things, trash the Constitution, be a socialist in every form of the ideology, and then lie to the camera and say he supports the constitution, capitalism and the American way of life is a travesty of epic proportions. People that support him are too busy being distracted by American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. Hell, they can't even identify pics of Biden, Reid or Pelosi, but can tell you the entire cast of Jersey Shore. This is what they count on. Distracted, ignorant people that vote for them, while they lie to their face, promise them every entitlement program they can think of, while dismantling the basic structure of our Republic right before their eyes! I'm stunned that people on the left don't wake up to this man and see him for the imposter that he is! I could go on for hours listing his lies.

Ok, where's the Tylenol?

[Leadfoot281]

Allow me to ask this question.

Who here believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old?

More intolerance it seems....

How about this; Do you go around telling little kids that Santa doesn't exist? Do you feel that the Amish are stupid, ignorant or just plain dumb for believeing what they believe? How do you feel about Muslims opposition to eatting pork? Do you go about telling them that they're really just a bunch of superstitious fools?

How about you just learn to tolerate people that have different beliefs than you and just let it all slide?

BTW, Canada is just a 51st State wanna be. :lol:

[Jeronimojc]

Allow me to ask this question.

Who here believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old?


Instead ask who here believes their parents are apes and their grand parents amebas :).

I personally chose to believe that I am not a freak accident of nature and that there is no purpose for my life. Instead, I chose to believe I was created by an intelligent Being for an eternal purpose. That intelligent Being happens to be all powerful and can create everything in seven days. Therefore 6k years is fine by me.

Neither theory (Creation or Evolution) can be proven. Therefore, it takes faith to fill in the gaps. I chose to believe Creation. It just makes more sense to me.

Cheers!!

[PonyUP]

More intolerance it seems....

How about this; Do you go around telling little kids that Santa doesn't exist? Do you feel that the Amish are stupid, ignorant or just plain dumb for believeing what they believe? How do you feel about Muslims opposition to eatting pork? Do you go about telling them that they're really just a bunch of superstitious fools?

How about you just learn to tolerate people that have different beliefs than you and just let it all slide?

BTW, Canada is just a 51st State wanna be. :lol:

This is an interesting statement, because I stated I didn't believe in creationism, I've been called stupid and a moron in number of posts. It seems to me that people here are only tolerant of beliefs provided you agree with them, the minute I step outside that, I am told I don't understand, or am stupid which would be the opposite of the tolerance you mentioned in this statement.
What is remarkable to me is that nowhere in this thread did I make a Pro-Obama statement and yet I have been called a stupid liberal that needs to read tealeaf's.
I simply posted something that I found funny and wanted to share, at no time was I trying to narrow anyone's belief's, but that seems to be the reaction I got. In fact in the original thread I stated to each their own, we are all free to believe what we want to believe. the difference is, I'm not going to call someone stupid for what they believe.
Iknow it wasn't you Led that called me stupid, I'm just pointing out that when we speak of tolerance, that needs to relate to all points of view and we shouldn't slam someone because they believe something different. Debates should be discussed, the minute we resort to name calling, the argument falls flat. Just my opinion.

[PonyUP]

I mean no disrespect but feel led to point out to the irony of this post. The poster mocks the candidate yet he clearly doesn't understand the discussion. The irony is that this is actually a very simple concept.

Just one more observation. I am relatively new here but was really intriged by the demographics of this community. It seemed to me this group is older, whiter, and right-er than the average online community group. I was pleasently surprised to see some support for "less government is better", "no more taxes", "No more bail outs", etc.

We live in a great country! Let's keep it great!

I understand the discussion perfectly, once again I disagree with something and "I don't understand" Let me ask something, just because I don't necessarily agree with the majority (And I do on many things, but some I don't) Why is it that the retort is always "I don't understand"?
It seems to me that it is a pretty narrow point of view.

[4rgone]

The whole idea behind seperating the two, was created as a way to protect the church from the state. Jefferson was very much an favor of a christian country and wanted christian ideals at the heart of all political decisions. He very much wanted people to be free and be able to choose a religion without fear of retaliation however, we are all kidding ourselves if we think a certain religion was intended. The seperation of church and state is one aspect of Americas false history that has propagated due to the inability of people to understanding old english and this sort of "ill take your word for it mentality" that we have adopted because we are either to lazy to read or simply cant. "Separation of church and state" fake history, just like the law that says you have to pay income tax.

[Leadfoot281]

This is an interesting statement, because I stated I didn't believe in creationism, I've been called stupid and a moron in number of posts. It seems to me that people here are only tolerant of beliefs provided you agree with them, the minute I step outside that, I am told I don't understand, or am stupid which would be the opposite of the tolerance you mentioned in this statement.
What is remarkable to me is that nowhere in this thread did I make a Pro-Obama statement and yet I have been called a stupid liberal that needs to read tealeaf's.
I simply posted something that I found funny and wanted to share, at no time was I trying to narrow anyone's belief's, but that seems to be the reaction I got. In fact in the original thread I stated to each their own, we are all free to believe what we want to believe. the difference is, I'm not going to call someone stupid for what they believe.
Iknow it wasn't you Led that called me stupid, I'm just pointing out that when we speak of tolerance, that needs to relate to all points of view and we shouldn't slam someone because they believe something different. Debates should be discussed, the minute we resort to name calling, the argument falls flat. Just my opinion.

Perhaps you could have titled the thread a little better,

Why not "This is what happens when a hetero sexual, college educated woman runs for Senate." instead? I don't know why you had to go throw Witchcraft in there. It's a moot point! And THAT is my point.

Live and let live. Even is she was a "witch", it doesn't matter. This whole deal is nothing more than a left wing hatchet job anyway.

It's 6:30 am and this hetero-sexual, semi-hillbilly, Marauder drivin, partially color blind, chain smoking, German/Norwegian farmboy needs to get a pot of coffee in him and get his a$$ outside to cut some firewood.

[sailsmen]

".... but stupid is stupid no matter what party platform you are on"


This is an interesting statement, because I stated I didn't believe in creationism, I've been called stupid and a moron in number of posts. It seems to me that people here are only tolerant of beliefs provided you agree with them, the minute I step outside that, I am told I don't understand, or am stupid which would be the opposite of the tolerance you mentioned in this statement.
What is remarkable to me is that nowhere in this thread did I make a Pro-Obama statement and yet I have been called a stupid liberal that needs to read tealeaf's.
I simply posted something that I found funny and wanted to share, at no time was I trying to narrow anyone's belief's, but that seems to be the reaction I got. In fact in the original thread I stated to each their own, we are all free to believe what we want to believe. the difference is, I'm not going to call someone stupid for what they believe.
Iknow it wasn't you Led that called me stupid, I'm just pointing out that when we speak of tolerance, that needs to relate to all points of view and we shouldn't slam someone because they believe something different. Debates should be discussed, the minute we resort to name calling, the argument falls flat. Just my opinion.

Interesting in that you start a post by calling someone stupid, I was taught that was not funny, and that previously you have stated disparaging Conservatives is a joke. Apparently it is funny to disparage Conservatives for what they believe but it is not funny to disparage you for what you believe?:lol:

Where was it stated you should read tea leaves? Wow, what I posted is apparently true.

[sailsmen]

Allow me to ask this question.

Who here believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old?

Evolution says the Earth is 6,000 years old?

[kernie]

Evolution says the Earth is 6,000 years old?
If you don't want to awnser the question, don't.

[secretservice]

Too bad they don't have a none of the above option on the ballot's

They do. The "stay at home on election day" box. Unfortunately for this country I have been checking that box for a while now. I'm just not a lesser of two evils type.

[PonyUP]

Perhaps you could have titled the thread a little better,

Why not "This is what happens when a hetero sexual, college educated woman runs for Senate." instead? I don't know why you had to go throw Witchcraft in there. It's a moot point! And THAT is my point.

Live and let live. Even is she was a "witch", it doesn't matter. This whole deal is nothing more than a left wing hatchet job anyway.

It's 6:30 am and this hetero-sexual, semi-hillbilly, Marauder drivin, partially color blind, chain smoking, German/Norwegian farmboy needs to get a pot of coffee in him and get his a$$ outside to cut some firewood.

Fair point Led, I should have titled it better

[PonyUP]

".... but stupid is stupid no matter what party platform you are on"



Interesting in that you start a post by calling someone stupid, I was taught that was not funny, and that previously you have stated disparaging Conservatives is a joke. Apparently it is funny to disparage Conservatives for what they believe but it is not funny to disparage you for what you believe?:lol:

Where was it stated you should read tea leaves? Wow, what I posted is apparently true.

Also a fair point, I find her views a little out there, but should definitely respect those that agree with her :beer:

[CBT]

Also a fair point, I find her views a little out there, but should definitely respect those that agree with her :beer:

She's got to be bordeline mentally retarded. How she is still relevant, to me, is mind boggling. Unless she just plays dumb when the cameras are on, I stand by my first sentence. I think she, like all politicians, should open a book instead of their mouths whenever they feel compelled to speak. That way, they might learn something and we wouldn't have to suffer hearing them. I'd like to see a reality show that revolved around politicians, so we could see how completely how far removed from this planet they are in their everyday lives. Or a Survivor type show where no one survives.

[secretservice]

Sarah Palin has a show about her and her family living in Alaska... They all survive though.

[Haggis]

She's got to be bordeline mentally retarded. How she is still relevant, to me, is mind boggling. Unless she just plays dumb when the cameras are on, I stand by my first sentence. I think she, like all politicians, should open a book instead of their mouths whenever they feel compelled to speak. That way, they might learn something and we wouldn't have to suffer hearing them. I'd like to see a reality show that revolved around politicians, so we could see how completely how far removed from this planet they are in their everyday lives. Or a Survivor type show where no one survives.

Watch C-span.

[CBT]

Sarah Palin has a show about her and her family living in Alaska... They all survive though.
Eh, I havn't seen it. I don't watch tragedies.

[LIGHTNIN1]

It is hard to figure why an unelectable candidate in the state of Delaware draws so much attention. On top of that she is double digits behind in the polls. Can it be that people are scared of her? Never before have I even known who was running for office in Delaware. Lets see, Olbermann and Maddow devote their whole programs to her, Obama campaigns for her opponent, all the media focus on her, for a political race in Delaware? Why? No logic here. They should be focusing on her radical opponent. He is a real piece of work.

[sailsmen]

Anderson Cooper explains it;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogjIkUJk4Zw

What is very % in that some of the videos the laughter at O'Donnel is very pronounced, extremely so. Yet the other portions of the different vidoes are the same in volume. Why? Could it be some were altered? If so which ones?

[sailsmen]

If you don't want to awnser the question, don't.

Thought I was asking the question?:confused:

[tbone]

It is hard to figure why an unelectable candidate in the state of Delaware draws so much attention. On top of that she is double digits behind in the polls. Can it be that people are scared of her? Never before have I even known who was running for office in Delaware. Lets see, Olbermann and Maddow devote their whole programs to her, Obama campaigns for her opponent, all the media focus on her, for a political race in Delaware? Why? No logic here. They should be focusing on her radical opponent. He is a real piece of work.

Olbermann and Maddow? Who are they? Nobody watches their idiotic propoganda!

[LIGHTNIN1]

Olbermann and Maddow? Who are they? Nobody watches their idiotic propoganda!

They have two viewers I've heard.

[tbone]

A fat ass and a lesbian. Respect!

[LIGHTNIN1]

:rofl::laugh::laugh:
A fat ass and a lesbian. Respect!


You got it.

[CBT]

A fat ass and a lesbian. Respect!

What happened?!
22976

[LIGHTNIN1]

What happened?!
22976

Age and choices don't treat us the same.

[sailsmen]

Jimmy McMillian the Rent is 2 High. I like the guy and think we need more people like him. Yes, I am serious.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Rent-Is-Too-Damn-High-Candidate-Doesnt-Pay-Rent-105346278.html

[Jeronimojc]

What happened?!
22976


Looks like she became a dem

[tbone]

What happened?!
22976

Now she looks like the kid from "The Wonder Years"!:confused:

[CBT]

now she looks like the kid from "the wonder years"!:confused:
lmao !!!!

[LIGHTNIN1]

:rofl:
Now she looks like the kid from "The Wonder Years"!:confused:


Now Now. Lets not put down the kid from Wonder years.

[tbone]

"It" IS the kid from "The Wonder Years"!

[LIGHTNIN1]

"It" IS the kid from "The Wonder Years"!

The only problem I have with that analogy is the intelligence part. The kid on THE WONDER YEARS wasn't STUPID. Explain what I did not pick up.;)

[kernie]

I hear Sarah Palin likes O'Donnel,

Palin-O'Donnel ticket!

Yee-Haw!!!!!

[Leadfoot281]

I hear Sarah Palin likes O'Donnel,

Palin-O'Donnel ticket!

Yee-Haw!!!!!


That would be waaaay too liberal for me.

[tbone]

Oblamer-Biteme ticket. How's that hope and change working out for ya!

[CBT]

I hear Sarah Palin likes O'Donnel,

Palin-O'Donnel ticket!

Yee-Haw!!!!!

Palin and Palin-Lite. No thanks.

[kernie]

Oblamer-Biteme ticket. How's that hope and change working out for ya!
You wany change? How about this,

1} Outlaw politicians and political parties from fundraising, the government has lotsa money, let it pay its self.

2} Outlaw lobbyists, who needs-em, if no-one can have them, no-one will miss them.

3} Outlaw the greedy, self-serving, cruel insurance industry from healthcare, other than perhaps fringe things like longterm disability insurance, who needs them. Who invited them to the party anyway, {hint-I am not a crook}

That's a start, if anyone wants to add to the list, feel free.

[CBT]

You wany change? How about this,

1} Outlaw politicians and political parties from fundraising, the government has lotsa money, let it pay its self.

2} Outlaw lobbyists, who needs-em, if no-one can have them, no-one will miss them.

3} Outlaw the greedy, self-serving, cruel insurance industry from healthcare, other than perhaps fringe things like longterm disability insurance, who needs them. Who invited them to the party anyway, {hint-I am not a crook}

That's a start, if anyone wants to add to the list, feel free.

4.) Double the amount of Congressmen/women and Senators, and limit the terms to two year increments. The current number we have was based on the ratio of respresentatives to the population.....at the time the Federalist Papers were written! More politicians would make it harder to bribe them. Plus, they would all be up for re-election every two years.
5.) Make them stop voting themsleves pay raises.
6.) Take away the retirements system they have put themselves in. They are supposed to be helping us, not setting themselves up for a fantastic retirement.

I'm sure I can think of more.

[Haggis]

What happened?!
22976

She discoverd p***y.

[chicago_cop]

To each their own, we have a wide spread of various political beliefs on this forum, but stupid is stupid no matter what party platform you are on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/christine-odonnell-church-and-state_n_767910.html

This has been the subject of controversy. The Supreme Court has said "The Constitution is What We Say it Is" Not always common sense. The First Ammendment says the Govt. shall not force any religion on anyone, Nor prohibit religion. They leave the last part out. She was somewhat right in asking that question, but was out of her league to defend the meaning. 29 signers of the Constitution were Ministers. It was never intended to mean what the courts have decided. Teaching Evolution has never been proven as provable science. How did something come from nothing and then explode. If we came from Apes why are there still Apes. Not one such being as the missing link been found . All of them have been disqualified. When this is questioned they make that person look stupid. 2 seconds after your dead you will find out.

[prchrman]

Huffing - ton Post, what a completely appropriate name for that rag.

[kernie]

This has been the subject of controversy. The Supreme Court has said "The Constitution is What We Say it Is" Not always common sense. The First Ammendment says the Govt. shall not force any religion on anyone, Nor prohibit religion. They leave the last part out. She was somewhat right in asking that question, but was out of her league to defend the meaning. 29 signers of the Constitution were Ministers. It was never intended to mean what the courts have decided. Teaching Evolution has never been proven as provable science. How did something come from nothing and then explode. If we came from Apes why are there still Apes. Not one such being as the missing link been found . All of them have been disqualified. When this is questioned they make that person look stupid. 2 seconds after your dead you will find out.
Right on!

It's the guys who are still alive and pretend to know the awnser to that mystery that bug me.

[PonyUP]

This has been the subject of controversy. The Supreme Court has said "The Constitution is What We Say it Is" Not always common sense. The First Ammendment says the Govt. shall not force any religion on anyone, Nor prohibit religion. They leave the last part out. She was somewhat right in asking that question, but was out of her league to defend the meaning. 29 signers of the Constitution were Ministers. It was never intended to mean what the courts have decided. Teaching Evolution has never been proven as provable science. How did something come from nothing and then explode. If we came from Apes why are there still Apes. Not one such being as the missing link been found . All of them have been disqualified. When this is questioned they make that person look stupid. 2 seconds after your dead you will find out.

Agreed, that neither theory has been proven, though there is more scientific evidence in the realm of evolution, but that doesn't make it correct. The key is when these things are taught in school, what needs to be taught is the science around them and as there is no proven conclusion it should not be predicated as fact. However that also holds true to the theory of intelligent design. for if it is strange to believe that something came from nothing and then exploded, it is also strange that God took 6 days and just thought the idea of man up. It is natural to question where we come from, where we run into a confusing area is when we present theories (Evolution) or belief (Creationism) as fact. These are the things that cause controversy.

Just my opinion. :beer:

[MrBluGruv]

Agreed, that neither theory has been proven, though there is more scientific evidence in the realm of evolution, but that doesn't make it correct. The key is when these things are taught in school, what needs to be taught is the science around them and as there is no proven conclusion it should not be predicated as fact. However that also holds true to the theory of intelligent design. for if it is strange to believe that something came from nothing and then exploded, it is also strange that God took 6 days and just thought the idea of man up. It is natural to question where we come from, where we run into a confusing area is when we present theories (Evolution) or belief (Creationism) as fact. These are the things that cause controversy.

Just my opinion. :beer:



That sure does create a lot of speculation as to whether or not evolutionists are trying to keep creationism out because of science, or because they just don't want/like religion. If creationism is belief and evolution is theory, but neither are solidly founded and both know they have limits in the truth of their perspective, then would creationism also not be theory and evolution not belief?


I personally think both sides are always going to be out to make sure the other isn't taught, but I think at this point in time those that believe in evolution are simply winning that fight, whether they are right or not.

A far more personal, subjective belief of mine is that the majority of those fighting on both sides of this argument aren't seeking mutually separate co-existence, but rather the eradication of the others' ideals altogether.

[PonyUP]

That sure does create a lot of speculation as to whether or not evolutionists are trying to keep creationism out because of science, or because they just don't want/like religion. If creationism is belief and evolution is theory, but neither are solidly founded and both know they have limits in the truth of their perspective, then would creationism also not be theory and evolution not belief?


I personally think both sides are always going to be out to make sure the other isn't taught, but I think at this point in time those that believe in evolution are simply winning that fight, whether they are right or not.

A far more personal, subjective belief of mine is that the majority of those fighting on both sides of this argument aren't seeking mutually separate co-existence, but rather the eradication of the others' ideals altogether.

You can call them both a believe or theory. I think the only real difference is that there is more scientific support towards evolution to a point. The missing link being the huge, well for lack of a better term missing link. But we need to teach only the science part and leave the reach over the link or into creationism up to each individual. Scientology believes we were created by aliens. They are free to beliwve that and I respect that belief, but I don't want it taught in school. My only challenge is that because creationism is largely based on believe and faith, it shouldn't be taught in schools. For if we teach one religious theory, you have to teach them all or we are not really living in a free society. A countries freedom can not only exist when it agrees in many beliefs, true freedom is to allow the view of the beliefs that are not in the majority.

In the end, none of us knows or can prove how we came to existence or where we go following death. I have studied Catholism, Lutheranism, Protestant, Hindu, and Baptist. I grew up with a Mother that was addicted to her catholic faith, and as I was forced to go to Church I began to have a bitter taste. Not wanting to dismiss it out of hand, I spent a number of years searching for what I believe in. The one thing I have found is that religious beliefs vary a great deal, and every religion believes they are the true saved religion and their path is the only righteous path. I submit that it doesn't matter what you believe, but rather that you believe. Since none of us know the answers, we owe it to ourselves, and only ourselves to be the best possible humans we can be. Tolerant of all faiths, races, beliefs. Because a society can only truly be free when everyone is recognized.

[MrBluGruv]

You can call them both a believe or theory. I think the only real difference is that there is more scientific support towards evolution to a point. The missing link being the huge, well for lack of a better term missing link. But we need to teach only the science part and leave the reach over the link or into creationism up to each individual. Scientology believes we were created by aliens. They are free to beliwve that and I respect that belief, but I don't want it taught in school. My only challenge is that because creationism is largely based on believe and faith, it shouldn't be taught in schools. For if we teach one religious theory, you have to teach them all or we are not really living in a free society. A countries freedom can not only exist when it agrees in many beliefs, true freedom is to allow the view of the beliefs that are not in the majority.

In the end, none of us knows or can prove how we came to existence or where we go following death. I have studied Catholism, Lutheranism, Protestant, Hindu, and Baptist. I grew up with a Mother that was addicted to her catholic faith, and as I was forced to go to Church I began to have a bitter taste. Not wanting to dismiss it out of hand, I spent a number of years searching for what I believe in. The one thing I have found is that religious beliefs vary a great deal, and every religion believes they are the true saved religion and their path is the only righteous path. I submit that it doesn't matter what you believe, but rather that you believe. Since none of us know the answers, we owe it to ourselves, and only ourselves to be the best possible humans we can be. Tolerant of all faiths, races, beliefs. Because a society can only truly be free when everyone is recognized.



Now that is a mentality I can toast to. :beer:

Except one thing:
I absolutely cannot respect scientology. :P I'm sorry, I'm a very VERY tolerant person, so long as your belief system doesn't interfere with my human and constitutional rights, but Scientology is a made-up faith, cult actually more accurately describes it. To give credibility to scientology, in my mind, is to give credibility to cases like a Jonestown. It's just way too out there and fishy, even for an open-minded individual.

[PonyUP]

Now that is a mentality I can toast to. :beer:

Except one thing:
I absolutely cannot respect scientology. :P I'm sorry, I'm a very VERY tolerant person, so long as your belief system doesn't interfere with my human and constitutional rights, but Scientology is a made-up faith, cult actually more accurately describes it. To give credibility to scientology, in my mind, is to give credibility to cases like a Jonestown. It's just way too out there and fishy, even for an open-minded individual.

:beer: I couldn't agree more, and thus the slippery slope. For once we allow one institution of religion in to school or government as a policy, it opens the door for all religions. But Scientology??? that's one I just can't understand, but it has sold a lot of books :D

[duhtroll]

Logically, believing that Noah got all those animals in the ark, Mary gave birth as a virgin, etc. is just as outlandish as being created by aliens.

Almost every aspect of Xtianity comes from a previous, pagan religion. I find it funny when anyone from any religion preaches or exemplifies intolerance of other faiths.

But then again, if every single human being woke up one morning the same color, faith, sexual orientation and income level, we would find something new to fight about by noon.

Humans generally don't like those who are different than they are.


:beer: I couldn't agree more, and thus the slippery slope. For once we allow one institution of religion in to school or government as a policy, it opens the door for all religions. But Scientology??? that's one I just can't understand, but it has sold a lot of books :D

[CBT]

Logically, believing that Noah got all those animals in the ark, Mary gave birth as a virgin, etc. is just as outlandish as being created by aliens.

Virgin was a description given to young women at that time, it didn't necessarily mean intercourse didn't happen.

I agree about the fighting. If anyone has ever had kids and given them both the same toy, they will still fight over them.

[PonyUP]

Virgin was a description given to young women at that time, it didn't necessarily mean intercourse didn't happen.

I agree about the fighting. If anyone has ever had kids and given them both the same toy, they will still fight over them.


Sure, look at the way you and Bob fight over Joe :lol:

[CBT]

Sure, look at the way you and Bob fight over Joe :lol:

He's worth fighting for :lovies:

[kernie]

Logically, believing that Noah got all those animals in the ark, Mary gave birth as a virgin, etc. is just as outlandish as being created by aliens.

Almost every aspect of Xtianity comes from a previous, pagan religion. I find it funny when anyone from any religion preaches or exemplifies intolerance of other faiths.

But then again, if every single human being woke up one morning the same color, faith, sexual orientation and income level, we would find something new to fight about by noon.

Humans generally don't like those who are different than they are.

Ha, i think it was Bill Mayer who quipped after mocking scientology,loosely, imagine if someone ttoday ried to sell cristianity if no-one had heard of it before, he would have been mocked big time, think about it, it's very true.

I certainly do believe there are superior beings out there in the universe, anyone who thinks we are alone and are the centre of the universe, well the catholic church from 500 years ago are looking for you to be thier spokesman.

I think we are just some spoiled kids pets.

[CBT]

Ha, i think it was Bill Mayer who quipped after mocking scientology,loosely, imagine if someone ttoday ried to sell cristianity if no-one had heard of it before, he would have been mocked big time, think about it, it's very true.

I certainly do believe there are superior beings out there in the universe, anyone who thinks we are alone and are the centre of the universe, well the catholic church from 500 years ago are looking for you to be thier spokesman.

I think we are just some spoiled kids pets.

I rented his documentary on religion off of Netflix a while back. I thought it was very good.

[duhtroll]

In Mary's case, it did.

Christ was supposedly formed from the Holy Spirit which, last I checked, was not anatomically correct.



Virgin was a description given to young women at that time, it didn't necessarily mean intercourse didn't happen.

[MM03MOK]

Is it really necessary to be dicussing this on a car forum, even though it's in the lounge? You guys need to find another website to banter this stuff around.