eaton information

[russell072009]

i'm interested in installing the cobra eaton. i had no problem finding all the information on how to and parts needed. are there any good pictures of this system? i'm really interested to see what was used for an intake tube and where the battery is relocated to. i want this to look all factory when it's done.

[CBT]

i'm interested in installing the cobra eaton. i had no problem finding all the information on how to and parts needed. are there any good pictures of this system? i'm really interested to see what was used for an intake tube and where the battery is relocated to. i want this to look all factory when it's done.

There are like a billion pics of this set up. If any members near you have done this, just check out their car.

[Bradley G]

The factory had a special option, where you wear the battery on your lap. :P

[russell072009]

i've looked. i can find pictures of it but nothing that really shows what i want to see.

[CBT]

i've looked. i can find pictures of it but nothing that really shows what i want to see.

What in particular do you want to see? Scope out members gallery pics. First 'member' (hee hee) that comes to mind is Zack, I think he has tons of step by step pics for all kinds of crazy stuff. Swordfish is currently doing an Eaton swap, he has some pics.

[russell072009]

i'm really interested in how the battery tray mounts, where people put the water pump for the exchanger, what people do for intake tubes. that kind of stuff.

[Zack]

i'm really interested in how the battery tray mounts, where people put the water pump for the exchanger, what people do for intake tubes. that kind of stuff.

This project requires the use of your brain, creativity and inventing.

If you feel you dont have all 3 of these requirements, buy a Trilogy.

[russell072009]

i have no problem using my brain believe me. i'm just curious to see what others have done so i can at least have an idea of what will be involved and what needs to be fabricated. once i know that i'll be able to judge if this is something i can complete myself or not.

[Zack]

Search my name (Zack) Impalaslayer, swordfish and jdenning002 for good picture references

[SC Cheesehead]

Search my name (Zack) Impalaslayer, swordfish and jdenning002 for good picture references

+1 on swordfish, I think he took a number of detailed photos of his install.

[ImpalaSlayer]

ill have a whole bunch of pics coming soon

[russell072009]

i found swordfish's pics. they were a bit more helpful.
on another note i was looking in to just throwing in a cobra power plant. apparently there is an issue with frame contact from the alternator. i've found a thread on a vic forum that had pics at one point but not anymore. anyone know of someone that has done that and has pics of the section of frame that needs to be adjusted? all in all between the adapters, pulley kits, coolant crossovers and a backward alternator i'm wondering if it would be more efficient to just do the notch and find a radiator that fits with hoses reversed.

[Zack]

i found swordfish's pics. they were a bit more helpful.
on another note i was looking in to just throwing in a cobra power plant. apparently there is an issue with frame contact from the alternator. i've found a thread on a vic forum that had pics at one point but not anymore. anyone know of someone that has done that and has pics of the section of frame that needs to be adjusted? all in all between the adapters, pulley kits, coolant crossovers and a backward alternator i'm wondering if it would be more efficient to just do the notch and find a radiator that fits with hoses reversed.

You can make brackets to flip the Cobra alternator backwards, thats been done as well.

You will not find anything easier that the way everyone here has done it.

[russell072009]

will it damage an alternator spinning backwards? i realize it's just coils and magnets but it's something i never thought about. my main reason behind thinking about using the strait cobra motor is one belt and all parts are cobra not custom or swapped.

[Zack]

will it damage an alternator spinning backwards? i realize it's just coils and magnets but it's something i never thought about. my main reason behind thinking about using the strait cobra motor is one belt and all parts are cobra not custom or swapped.

There are 230 Marauders on the road with backwards alternators with no issue.

1 belt on a Cobra? What Cobra are you referring to? LOL

[CBT]

will it damage an alternator spinning backwards? i realize it's just coils and magnets but it's something i never thought about. my main reason behind thinking about using the strait cobra motor is one belt and all parts are cobra not custom or swapped.

TFB, tell that story about you telling someone why the alternator was backwards :lol:

[russell072009]

from the pictures i've seen it looks like 1 belt. apparently they have 2.

[RocsMerc]

Don't forget to swap the clutched alternator pulley for a regular one before you make it spin in reverse or else the pulley will just freewheel.

[russell072009]

you know what forget i asked anything

[RocsMerc]

you know what forget i asked anything

Did I insult you somehow? :confused: I was just trying to be helpful. Did you some how read sarcasm in my words? I'm being completely serious. The stock marauder alternator pulley is clutched so it freewheels when spun backwards. Here's the part number from the Eaton swap thread for the pulley you'll need.

Alternator Pulley F5AZ-10344-A, Motorcraft GP-712

[fastblackmerc]

TFB, tell that story about you telling someone why the alternator was backwards :lol:

Does it suck energy out of the battery? Will your lights implode?

[russell072009]

Did I insult you somehow? :confused: I was just trying to be helpful. Did you some how read sarcasm in my words? I'm being completely serious. The stock marauder alternator pulley is clutched so it freewheels when spun backwards. Here's the part number from the Eaton swap thread for the pulley you'll need.

Alternator Pulley F5AZ-10344-A, Motorcraft GP-712

no you did not. that was very helpful, thank you.

[FordNut]

will it damage an alternator spinning backwards? i realize it's just coils and magnets but it's something i never thought about. my main reason behind thinking about using the strait cobra motor is one belt and all parts are cobra not custom or swapped.

One belt is the Kenne Bell setup for '99-'01 Cobra and centrifugal blowers. The '03-'04 Cobra, the Trilogy, and the Eaton conversion use two belts, which is much more reliable than the single belt setup.

[TFB]

TFB, tell that story about you telling someone why the alternator was backwards :lol:
I told a couple friends it had to be mounted backwards so the current would flow to the driver side where the battery is relocated...


Does it suck energy out of the battery? Will your lights implode?
That's what would happen when the battery was moved to the driver side and and alternator was still spinning in the normal clockwise direction... http://members.cox.net/turbocoupe50/toothless.gif

[CBT]

I told a couple friends it had to be mounted backwards so the current would flow to the driver side where the battery is relocated...


That's what would happen when the battery was moved to the driver side and and alternator was still spinning in the normal clockwise direction...

Classic! :beer:

[Dennis Reinhart]

I am all for any super charger for our car, I have been posting here for years, yes I like Vortech, I run a Novi 2200 at 17 PSI on a built motor and on 93 octane it made 575 today this is not a race gas tune and I did not use the 75 shot of N20. I have installed Vortech's, Pro chargers, I have tuned Trilogy's, I have hundreds of hours on a dyno, I post my dyno sheets and data logs and I think this Eaton conversion is a great idea, I have never done one yet.Now here is what I would like to know, first of all what is the average cost for this conversion, second what is the average RWHP on a stock motor and at what boost, I have dyno 'ed many 03 Cobras these cars have good rods good pistons, steel crank, the average stock Cobra with NO tuning make about 360 RWHP at about 10 PSI, now this is a car with a manual transmission, take this same car and add a 4R70W and the car will lose 20% due to the automatic, now take a 03 Cobra add a smaller pulley and a CAK and these cars will make 400 plus again subtract 20% and that is what would be what you would have in a marauder, take the Eaton off and send it to stagmyer and have it ported the car will make about 460 plus, again this with manual transmission, from looking at the #'s here, these cars that are making 450 RWHP I take are with built motors since 450 to the tires is about 540 to the crank, I will post three dyno sheets all sheets are SAE smoothing set to five, two are Trilogy's without of the box tune's one is a stock 03 Cobra with a CAK and a 4 pound pulley making 13 PSI. It would be nice to see some dyno sheets and data on these conversions. As I said I am running a Novi 2200 here is what the car made Thursday on pump gas.

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[ImpalaSlayer]

You need to pay more attention Dennis, my dyno chart has been posted numerous times. The first time being in my thread as I finshed the car. Ill have another dyno chart within a month, ill be sure to post all stats on the run.

[Zack]

I am all for any super charger for our car, I have been posting here for years, yes I like Vortech, I run a Novi 2200 at 17 PSI on a built motor and on 93 octane it made 575 today this is not a race gas tune and I did not use the 75 shot of N20. I have installed Vortech's, Pro chargers, I have tuned Trilogy's, I have hundreds of hours on a dyno, I post my dyno sheets and data logs and I think this Eaton conversion is a great idea, I have never done one yet.Now here is what I would like to know, first of all what is the average cost for this conversion, second what is the average RWHP on a stock motor and at what boost, I have dyno 'ed many 03 Cobras these cars have good rods good pistons, steel crank, the average stock Cobra with NO tuning make about 360 RWHP at about 10 PSI, now this is a car with a manual transmission, take this same car and add a 4R70W and the car will lose 20% due to the automatic, now take a 03 Cobra add a smaller pulley and a CAK and these cars will make 400 plus again subtract 20% and that is what would be what you would have in a marauder, take the Eaton off and send it to stagmyer and have it ported the car will make about 460 plus, again this with manual transmission, from looking at the #'s here, these cars that are making 450 RWHP I take are with built motors since 450 to the tires is about 540 to the crank, I will post three dyno sheets all sheets are SAE smoothing set to five, two are Trilogy's without of the box tunes's one is a stock 03 Cobra with a CAK and a 4 pound pulley making 13 PSI. It would be nice to see some dyno sheets and data on these conversions.

What a completely useless post and waste of bandwith.
Thats my opinion and I respect yours.
Hope everyone has a great weekend. :beer:

..oh and you have Ken Bell in your Signature. Its spelled wrong in case you dont know whos products you are selling

[russell072009]

how much boost/HP can our stock internals handle and for how long? i know cobras have hardened internals as do most factory turbo or supercharged engines to handle the stress over time. wondering if it would be worth it to get a cobra short block or replace the internals in mine. i figure if i'm going to spend the money to do this i at least want it to last. that is the main reason i'm considering the complete cobra swap.

[Zack]

how much boost/HP can our stock internals handle and for how long? i know cobras have hardened internals as do most factory turbo or supercharged engines to handle the stress over time. wondering if it would be worth it to get a cobra short block or replace the internals in mine. i figure if i'm going to spend the money to do this i at least want it to last. that is the main reason i'm considering the complete cobra swap.

With 10psi you will make about 430rwhp and it will last forever.

Ive made 520 on stock engines and never had a problem.

Engines dont usually fail from too much power. Its detonation or leaning out that kills them 99.9% of the time

[SC Cheesehead]

With 10psi you will make about 430rwhp and it will last forever.

Ive made 520 on stock engines and never had a problem.

Engines dont usually fail from too much power. Its detonation or leaning out that kills them 99.9% of the time

^^^^^ True, that. ^^^^^

[TFB]

Since I bought mine with the Eaton already installed, I sort of feel like the little kid looking through the fence at the other kids on the playground... I've always built my own stuff, this is a first for me, have to rely on what others who built & know and the car have to say... I don't have the dyno sheet but Zack did the install(excellent job I may add, my car friends have all been impressed)justbob & Zack were there for the tuning, so I have no doubt about the figures...

[russell072009]

so there would be no benefit at all to going with hardened internals?

[Pops]

Long term yes, plus you can turn the wick up more if you desire.

[ImpalaSlayer]

so there would be no benefit at all to going with hardened internals?
i was like you at first, but after thrashing my car for a year it runs good as new. as long as you get a good tune you should have any trouble

[ImpalaSlayer]

What a completely useless post and waste of bandwith.
Thats my opinion and I respect yours.
Hope everyone has a great weekend. :beer:

..oh and you have Ken Bell in your Signature. Its spelled wrong in case you dont know whos products you are selling


you will have a bill sent to you for a new key board very shortly sir :rofl:

[russell072009]

Long term yes, plus you can turn the wick up more if you desire.

that's what i asked in the first place

[russell072009]

here's the deal.
1 i will not be doing this to a marauder. i will be doing it to a vic i know there is more involved going that route don't worry about that.
2 if i'm going to invest that much time and money in to a vehicle i want it to last.... for years
3 if it costs a bit more for that piece of mind so be it
4 i'm only doing this once

[FordNut]

here's the deal.
1 i will not be doing this to a marauder. i will be doing it to a vic i know there is more involved going that route don't worry about that.
2 if i'm going to invest that much time and money in to a vehicle i want it to last.... for years
3 if it costs a bit more for that piece of mind so be it
4 i'm only doing this once

Since you've got to swap the engine anyway, might as well put in one with forged/bilet internals.

[Pops]

Since you've got to swap the engine anyway, might as well put in one with forged/bilet internals.

I agree! :)

[russell072009]

its looking like i would be better off getting the cobra engine and figuring out how to handle the alternator rather then changing guts in a salvage marauder engine.

back to the first question
the battery tray listed in the swap post, is that a direct bolt in or will i need to fab brackets to mount it?

[Zack]

Depends which battery tray you use.

Either one will take about 30 minutes to mount. You can use at least one factory hole on the battery tray

[FordNut]

its looking like i would be better off getting the cobra engine and figuring out how to handle the alternator rather then changing guts in a salvage marauder engine.

back to the first question
the battery tray listed in the swap post, is that a direct bolt in or will i need to fab brackets to mount it?

Get the Cobra engine, swap the timing cover to the Marauder type, and use the brackets like the rest of the Eaton conversions. Or keep the Cobra timing cover and do the engineering to figure out a custom alternator mount.

You didn't say what year CV. The suspension changed in '03 to the current design like the Marauder has, so there are differences in the crossmember and probably the frame if you have an earlier model.

[russell072009]

vic will be 04. that way i have my marauder as a road map for the changes needed to fit a dohc.

[Zack]

If you have a running engine in the vic just buy a Tork Tech kit and call it a day.
www.torktech.com

[Krytin]

If you have a running engine in the vic just buy a Tork Tech kit and call it a day.
www.torktech.com (http://www.torktech.com)

That might be nice for my '04 LX Sport!

[TAKEDOWN]

That might be nice for my '04 LX Sport!

Ahhh... Maybe one day and many m00ns from now I'll put it on my everyday 04 CVPI! Now that would be :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Get the Cobra engine, swap the timing cover to the Marauder type, and use the brackets like the rest of the Eaton conversions. Or keep the Cobra timing cover and do the engineering to figure out a custom alternator mount.

You didn't say what year CV. The suspension changed in '03 to the current design like the Marauder has, so there are differences in the crossmember and probably the frame if you have an earlier model.


thats what id do, swap covers