CV/MM vs. Impala event back on, Dec. 13th at Atco, NJ.

[stumpy]

Come get your fastest timeslip and possibly a trophy at the Cronw Vic vs. Impala meet at Atco Raceway in Atco NJ. 08004. This is the event that was originally scheduled at Cecil County, but they decided to close early this year, probably snow related. Anyway, rather than cancel we are going to move to Atco, NJ. for this event. It's a great track and will probably allow us to get in more runs. In addition the cost is significantly less, $15! Come and join or just watch big beautiful 4drs battling it out.

There will be bracket racing and a special quick 8 race for those that qualify. In the quick 8 race only the CVs and MMs are allowed one power adder to compensate for the displacement advantage of the Impalas.

The gates open at 9:00am so be early to get in as many trials as possible. The trials and qualifying runs will go up until 12:00pm when the eliminations begin.

This should be a fun event with a lot of very fast times. Trophies will be awarded for the bracket, quick 8 and the fastest bolt on car. Hope to see you there!

Here is a link to Atco Raceway (http://www.atcorace.com/index2.shtml) and a link to Accuweather (http://wwwa.accuweather.com/adcbin/public/local_index.asp?zipcode=08004&partner=accuweather) for zip code 08004. Hope to see you there.

[BillyGman]

have helmet rentals there like they do at Raceway Park in E-town???

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
have helmet rentals there like they do at Raceway Park in E-town???

Yesir! They have helmet rentals almost identical to E-town.


Billy you really should come if for nothing more that to get some tips from some of the better drag racers that will be there. Karl Ellwein will be there and he's probably one of the nicest guy you'll ever meet and one hell of a drag racer. There will be ppl from all over the North East and some of them will crack you up and leave your sides splitting. Sure to be a good time so come on out Saturday.

BTW, I want a ride in your car to experience those 4.56s. If you ever get those tires to stick you'll mess your pants! :D

[BillyGman]

I plan on being there.I'm going to have to take off the snow tires that I just put on last week just in time for the snow storm. But I don't care, cuz I want to race!!!!....I'll look for your Black SS, and ofcourse as you know, I'll be in my Black Marauder. It's a bit louder now than it was when you saw me at E-town. So if you see me in the parking lot, then I'm sure you'll hear my car before you see it.
I want to check out that Black SS, and you're welcome to a ride in my car as well.:)

[stumpy]

Sound good Billy, see you there!


I'm sure you'll hear my car before you see it
Hmm, it'll be interesting to see an MM that you can hear over the 10 second Bracket racers with open exhaust. :lol:

[martyo]

Just switched around the work schedule so I will be there too.
The trick for me will be to best my 13.735 run. Please keep your fingers crossed!

Does anyone know whether there is fuel for sale at the track?

Also, is there a place for spectators to keep warm when we are doing our runs? Is there food at the track?

Answers, I need answers!!!

[stumpy]

Originally posted by martyo
Just switched around the work schedule so I will be there too.
The trick for me will be to best my 13.735 run. Please keep your fingers crossed!

Does anyone know whether there is fuel for sale at the track?

Also, is there a place for spectators to keep warm when we are doing our runs? Is there food at the track?

Answers, I need answers!!!


Yes to most of these ?s.

They do sell racing fuel, 104 and higher starting at ~5.00 a gallon. There's a fairly descent concession stand and a club, however, don't expect the club to be swinging or open.

As for keeping warm, not much chance of that unless you stay in the car. The wind was blowing straight into the stands last time and it was coooooold! But, you can drop spectators off before you run and pick them back up on your return from the run. Coolest thing about the track if you ask me.

Glad you can make it, it should be a great day for racing and you should definitely get your best timeslip of the year. Now try not to break out this time and you could win a trophy.

[martyo]

Stump: What time do you think you will arrive? BillyG and I will be leaving Westchester, NY at 7:00 a.m. which shoudl put us there at 9:00 a.m.

[stumpy]

I've got to change tires and then talk some smack with some of the knuckle heads that have been talking trash. The smack talk has been going on for over 3 weeks at the Impala site and it's really starting to get good. :flamer:

I'll keep an eye out for you and an ear out for Billy and come greet you. That is if you guys haven't already met up with a few Impala guys and have got your game faces on. :D

[martyo]

Originally posted by stumpy
That is if you guys haven't already met up with a few Impala guys and have got your game faces on. :D

Yeah, the game face. Ummmmmm, did I mention that my car is slow, very, very slow.....

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that Jet (John T.) may be there and his car is really, really, really slowwww....

Make sure those Impala guys know that and treat us right.

[stumpy]

Jet's coming, great! I left him a private mesage but he hasn't responded. He's got my phone # so if you need me have him call my cell.

Don't worry too much about those Impala guys. Most of em are real cool and they had better appreciate having some competition from fellow land barges.

Oh yea sure you're slow. Did I mention that the last time I raced they mistakenly sent the tow truck down to check on me before I even hit the traps?

[the fat bastid]

to go or not to go...hummm...
the only if is if i wanna get up at 7am(on a saturday) to make the 2 hour drive there...

whats the trip time you, marty?

[martyo]

Originally posted by the fat bastid
to go or not to go...hummm...
the only if is if i wanna get up at 7am(on a saturday) to make the 2 hour drive there...

whats the trip time you, marty?

Same as you Gavin. Billy The G-ster is meeting me at the foot of my neighborhood at 7:00 a.m. I better get some caffeine in me or its gonna be a long two hour drive!

Come along Gavin. Haven't seen ya in a while. It'll be a good time.

[stumpy]

and thanks for coming. I think the Impala guys appreciated having you there and several commented favorably about the excelent times you posted. It was great that we could get together in the spirit of competition and good clean fun.

Billy, I got to see you race Nabil in the quick 8 and that was an awesome burnout dude. Teach that to Jet and he might not swerve into the wall when he launches! :burnout:

[stumpy]

Originally posted by martyo
Yeah, the game face. Ummmmmm, did I mention that my car is slow, very, very slow.....


Ehem, you can go to hell for lying just as well as for stealing! :D

[JET]

Sorry I couldn't it make it. I'm really sorry. I had to watch my daughter, then work and then had a family christmas party at my mother's house.

Post what your times were

How many marauders?

How did you do Stump, Billy & Marty?

[BillyGman]

it was really great racing against all those Impala SS guys. Those guys are all good racers, and they all seemed to have excellent sportsmanship. As a result, I felt very welcome amongst you guys. I beat a couple of them, but one of them beat me pretty good. That was that "Napster" guy who beat me by .800 seconds in a heads up race in the first round of the "Great 8" competition. His car isn't N/A though. Is it?
Ofcourse w/that time of 13.002 you would've beaten me too. Nice run Dude.....BTW, since you were still racing when Marty and I left, did you break into the 12's??????

[BillyGman]

I was looking forward to seeing you there, as well as possibly getting a ride in your car. But maybe next time.

As usual, Marty ran some good times. I'll let him post them here. He ran his best time ever. But unlike Marty, his times were inconsistent for the first three runs. However, for some reason his car started hooking up good off the line during the last couple hours of the day, and he turned in some great times for his last 3 races.

As for me, I ran five 13.5's, and two 13.6's. My best time was 13.513 @101.35 MPH. I'm really a novice though when it comes to racing on the track, so it was a good experience for me. If you don't believe that, then all you have to do is consider my R/T's. My best R/T of the day was a lethargic .443, and my R/T for my best ET run of the day was an embarrassing .752

[martyo]

OK guys I am back (finally)> I stopped along the way home and took my sister and my nephew for dinner. All that racing made me hungry.

First of all, thanks to all of the Impala guys for hosting. You guys were great and it was nice to meet you all. We will have to do this again some time soon.

I ran my best and worse times ever! 10 runs in the day and man was I inconsistent. The good news was that my last couple of pases bested my previously personal best time. My best run for the day looked like this:

60' 1.921 (so thats what it feels like to finally hook up!)
E/T 13.580
Trap Speed: 100.40 mph

I will go to sleep a happy man tonight.

Congrats to BillyGMan who has earned the title of fastest N/A Marauder. In case you are curious, the "G" in his name stands for Gears as in 4.56 gears!

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
it was really great racing against all those Impala SS guys. Those guys are all good racers, and they all seemed to have excellent sportsmanship. As a result, I felt very welcome amongst you guys. I beat a couple of them, but one of them beat me pretty good. That was that "Napster" guy who beat me by .800 seconds in a heads up race in the first round of the "Great 8" competition. His car isn't N/A though. Is it?
Ofcourse w/that time of 13.002 you would've beaten me too. Nice run Dude.....BTW, since you were still racing when Marty and I left, did you break into the 12's??????

Napster :lol: :lol: :lol:

You mean Nabil don't you? The tall skinny guy driving the blue wail! He does have spray but he didn't use any today. He runs low 12s NA and gets into the 11s with juice.

As for me I never bested the 13.002 and that stinks. I know I could have had it on that run if I didn't have 3/4 of a tank of gas. Oh well, serves me right for not planning. I hope to go back soon with the bugs worked out in the new PCM and may be able to get into the 12.8s.

Sorry you couldn't make it Jet. You would have had a good time!

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
the "Great 8" competition.

It's called the "Quick 8" race. I'm not sure if you're delusional or just being funny. Now drop that crack pipe and kick it over here Mr. 'G'. :beatnik:

[BillyGman]

so I've inhaled a little too much smoke from the burnouts at the track today. Either that, or my novice status in the racing world is showing again. Yes, I meant the "Quick 8":D

I guess I misunderstood that guy when he told me his name. Both times that I asked him what his name was, he kinda mubbled it under his breath as if though he's taken a lot of redicule about his name being different. So i guess I didn't hear him very well.

Anyway, getting into the high 12's while being N/A is pretty impressive for a heavy car w/a small block in it. What kinda gears is he running?

And since Marty has brought up the 4.56 gear ratio in my Marauder, let me just ask that people would PULEEEEEZE stop insisting that 4.56 gears will hurt my quartermile times. I think that the 101.35 MPH trap speed that I ran today should put that theory to rest.

BTW, I meant to ask you guys if you think that I made a mistake at the track by NOT brake torqing my car at the starting line at all. Do you think that I could've turned some better ET's if I did that?

[BillyGman]

BTW, I meant to ask you guys if you think that I made a mistake at the track by NOT brake torqing my car at the starting line at all. Do you think that I could've turned some better ET's if I did that?

[jgc61sr2002]

Originally posted by BillyGman
BTW, I meant to ask you guys if you think that I made a mistake at the track by NOT brake torqing my car at the starting line at all. Do you think that I could've turned some better ET's if I did that? Billy - We used to power brake the car, which is the same as brake torqing. IMO this will give you a better ET. Too many RPM's will cause you to lose traction and increase your ET. After a couple of runs you will find the proper RPM at the start line.:D

[sailsmen]

I experimented with power braking and found the best ET was no power brake.The following was from my post in November;

"I made my first 1/4 mile runs in the MM today.

Best time14.554 @95.46 with a 2.172 60' and .434 R/T! The temp was 80* and the humidity 80%. They told me at the track in the cooler weather expect a .5 - .6 improvement.

Total of 4 runs.

The first I power braked to 2,000RPM and spun all the way thru 1st and into 2nd started going sideways so I backed off and got 16.808 @93.16.

The second run I held the brake lightly with the left foot and floored it and got the best time, 14.554.

The third run I power braked to 1,200 RPM and got 14.627 @94.97."

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
so I've inhaled a little too much smoke from the burnouts at the track today. Either that, or my novice status in the racing world is showing again. Yes, I meant the "Quick 8":D

I guess I misunderstood that guy when he told me his name. Both times that I asked him what his name was, he kinda mubbled it under his breath as if though he's taken a lot of redicule about his name being different. So i guess I didn't hear him very well.

Anyway, getting into the high 12's while being N/A is pretty impressive for a heavy car w/a small block in it. What kinda gears is he running?

And since Marty has brought up the 4.56 gear ratio in my Marauder, let me just ask that people would PULEEEEEZE stop insisting that 4.56 gears will hurt my quartermile times. I think that the 101.35 MPH trap speed that I ran today should put that theory to rest.

BTW, I meant to ask you guys if you think that I made a mistake at the track by NOT brake torqing my car at the starting line at all. Do you think that I could've turned some better ET's if I did that?

Hmm, I guess I owe you an apology Billy, here is Nabils aka "Nabster" sig.


Nabster

95 Police SS 350LT1/GM845/T56/4.56
11.67 @115 mph on Nov 30, 2003- 150 shot of NO2
Sponsored by: sixonthefloor.com

'91 Caprice SS Tow Wail 350LT1/4L60E/4.10s

CHAMPION: MIR Super Street Overall Aug. 15, 2003

CHAMPION: RAISSE Drag Day Rochester Int'l Aug 23, 2003

EAST COAST BABY!!


As you can see he has a T56 6 spd manual tranny with 4.56 gears. The 4.56 is a very low gear and is used more for racing and hauling than daily driving, so with your 4spd auto it's a big jump. But hey, if it works for you who cares what the others say.

As for power breaking, I launched at 2000 rpm on my 13.002 run and 2500 on the next run and lost .079. It really all depends upon where you make torque, the converter stall speed and most importantly if you have traction. With my 15" rims and tall side walls I'm able to launch hard, very hard actually, yet I plant the rear and the tires grab so I don't spin at all.

I've said this before to you, with 4.56 gears you should really skip getting DRs and go straight to Slicks!

[BillyGman]

I wanted to go w/atleast drag radials, but after just spending the $$ for the Kook's headers and exhaust, it wasn't in the budget this year. But even though I'd expect better times w/drag radials or better yet slicks, I was hooking up fairly well coming off the line yesterday. With all but one of the 5 runs that I made, I only felt the tires spinning for a split second during the launch.

So what are you gonna do w/your PCM???

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
With all but one of the 5 runs that I made, I only felt the tires spinning for a split second during the launch.
Hmm, if you're hooking up on street tires then DR's may be the answer. Unless there is just so much torque that you can't hook at WOT launch then slicks could slow you down.

So what are you gonna do w/your PCM???
I'll get an update from my programmer and try it again. However, I may have to get slicks myself now because when I did use the new PCM the increase in torque was insane and I'm not sure I'll still be able to hook on DRs. I'm practically breaking them loose with the old PCM.

BTW, I sure wish you had made the first round of eliminations. I cut a .020 light and had the buy run, but since you weren't there I had to race Fred and he tree'd me and beat me to the line with room to spare. If you were there you could have been his first victim and I could have possibly gotten someone easier on the second run.

You owe me big time dude! :uzi:

[BillyGman]

all this dragrace jargon has got me baffled:confused:

.....so what you mean is that his R/T was better than yours, right?

....and how do you figure that me and Fred would've been paired up? You mean if I was there, and luck went your way, and I just happened to be paired up against Fred. Right?

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
all this dragrace jargon has got me baffled:confused:

.....so what you mean is that his R/T was better than yours, right?
Yesir, I slept and cut a .270 while he also slept but got a .190 light. To top it off I dialed 13.06 and ran 13.10. So I gave him (.08 for the light and .04 in dial) .12 seconds. He dialed 12.8x so I had the jump but he caught me and was able to slow down and the very end to make sure he didn't break out. I lost the race by .06 mostly because of poor R/T and a bad dial.

....and how do you figure that me and Fred would've been paired up? You mean if I was there, and luck went your way, and I just happened to be paired up against Fred. Right?
Because Fred was the last car in line and if you had arrived in time you would have had to race him, not me. You do realize that if there is an odd number of racers then the guy with the best R/T gets a buy run. Well that was me, but instead there was an even number of cars so all I got was lane choice.

[BillyGman]

actually I didn't know that the guy w/the best R/T gets a by run if there's an odd # of racers. Okay, I got it now. Thanks for the explaination.......

remember that I'm a novice:)
NOT when it comes to building Hi-perf V8 cars, but when it comes to racing on the track. When you saw me at E-town about a month ago, that was only the second time that I was at the track(the first time was to watch the summer nationals), and it was the first time that I was ever there to race. So this time was only the second time for me.

[toomanytoyz]

Hey Guys! I finally made my way back over here... It was great to meet the guys that were there! Your cars all looked great and sounded awesome. A couple of you were running pretty quick, too! :D

I had a great time and got to bring home the runner up trophy in the brackets, too! I also posted a new best for my car (even after adding ~100lbs of stereo equipment since my last runs) with a 14.17 @ 99.88mph. Not bad for 4900lbs, eh? :)

Oh, and Billy, I drove down on my snows... :) All the way from NH! Good thing too, because if I was on my summer tires, I would have been screwed on the trip home! Luckily, a friend let me borrow some drag radials. I don't think I would have hooked on those skinny snows!

Hope to see you guys again sometime, hopefully in warmer weather...

My trip back to NH was ok, I left in the AM Sunday. I thought that storm was supposed to come early afternoon??? It showed up at 7am where I was. I had to do 70 in the snow up until just south of Hartford to outrun it. Even run rally style on a highway in a land barge before??? :D Heh heh.

Oh, here's a link to pics. Sorry if they are slightly Impala favored... ;)

http://www.uniquekind.net/CaddyPage/photos/popup/photoalbum.asp

[BillyGman]

it was great racing against you guys, cuz many of you know a lot more than I do about racing, and so it was a learning experience for me. And a pleasant one at that since all of you guys have real cool attitudes towards your fellow racers.

Thanks for having us Marauder owners around. Getting into the low 14's w/a monster of a car like yours is very impressive. That's one of the things that I like about going to the track to race........I always see all kinds of cars. Even ones that I never thought that anybody would be able to race. Thanks for the pics. I wish that I had brought a camera w/me.

[stumpy]

You got a nice burnout pic in there Billy!

[toomanytoyz]

Originally posted by stumpy
You got a nice burnout pic in there Billy!

Yeah, and there's one in there of me launching HARD but one of the damn officials is in the way!!! Grrrr.... :mad2:

[BillyGman]

Originally posted by stumpy
You got a nice burnout pic in there Billy!

Glen, that's what I was hoping for, but I just looked at every pic of all four pages that he has, and I didn't see any of a Marauder doing a burnout.:confused:

....if I've missed it, then please help me out....

[BillyGman]

I just found it on page two(pic #032). I just was beginning the burnout in the right lane while Nabster was looking on:D :D

Thanks.......

[stumpy]

Originally posted by BillyGman
I just found it on page two(pic #032). I just was beginning the burnout in the right lane while Nabster was looking on:D :D

Thanks.......
It's there, check out pic #32.

Also, here's a nice launch pic Atco #014 (http://www.davemilcarek.com/121303/pages/12-13-R3%20014.htm) taken by the photographer at the track. For the complete set with some nice picks of all of us check out the gallery for that Saturday and order one if you like www.davemilcarek.com (http://www.davemilcarek.com/121303/index.htm). You've got a nice launch in there too Bill Atco #030 (http://www.davemilcarek.com/121303/pages/12-13-R1%20030.htm) .

[BillyGman]

I didn't even know those were taken...thanks again Glen....