Teen drivers!!!!

[merkathomas]

Never seen anybody try to turn left in the far right lane til today...at the expense of my hood an bumper an front doors...if I could post a pic I would post the devastationw...marauder out of comission maybe for good

[gdsqdcr]

Sorry to hear ....

Hopefully no on was hurt Nd hopefully the Marauder can be repaired

[ImpalaSlayer]

people really are ****in stupid. drivers licenses need to be harder to acquire

[Big Black Beast]

Glad you're ok. Good luck, hope they don't total it. Post pics.

[guspech750]

I hoped you bitched slapped the butthole with a tire iron.

[F8LBITEva]

damn sorry to hear. I just heard a 17 year old killed a guy I used to work with on Monday after he T boned him in the driver's door. Im all for raising the license age limit to 18 years old. With all the gadgets that come on cars and combined with cell phones its no wonder these kids get into wrecks all the time.

[merkathomas]

Anybody know wat the price is for a front bumper, hood, side panels, radiator, headlights, basically a whole front end

[Peter]

Anybody know wat the price is for a front bumper, hood, side panels, radiator, headlights, basically a whole front end
http://www.teamfordparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocat or&siteid=214270&chapter=&sectionids=0,2295&groupid=2296&subgroupid=2297&componentid=27491&make=23&model=Marauder&year=2003&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

http://www.teamfordparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocat or&siteid=214270&chapter=&sectionids=0,2295&groupid=2304&subgroupid=2305&make=23&model=Marauder&year=2003&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

http://www.teamfordparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocat or&siteid=214270&chapter=&sectionids=0,2295&groupid=52105&subgroupid=10112&componentid=27491&make=23&model=Marauder&year=2003&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

http://www.teamfordparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocat or&siteid=214270&chapter=&sectionids=0,2276&groupid=51817&subgroupid=2278&make=23&model=Marauder&year=2003&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

http://www.teamfordparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocat or&siteid=214270&chapter=&sectionids=0,8601&groupid=3294&subgroupid=2292&componentid=27491&make=23&model=Marauder&year=2003&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

http://www.teamfordparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocat or&siteid=214270&chapter=&sectionids=0,2399&groupid=51836&subgroupid=2399&make=23&model=Marauder&year=2003&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

[MrBluGruv]

With all the gadgets that come on cars and combined with cell phones its no wonder these kids get into wrecks all the time.

Not to mention even 4-cyl cars are getting pretty freakin' quick nowadays. Entry level cars are in the 14s in some cases, and even that's a bit much for a new driver.

[duhtroll]

Here's the kicker. Parents will never vote for taking longer to get DLs. They want freedom from driving kids everywhere so good luck on that one.

[Bigdogjim]

Was anyone injured? Did you get yourself checked out?

Did you talk the the body shop yet?

Get a copy of the police report.

Keep us posted.

[merkathomas]

Yeah I'm at the hospital getting checked up...it got towed to a friend from high school body shop

[merkathomas]

Maybe they will total it out

[TAKEDOWN]

Unfortunately I see it all the time out here, hopefully your car can be fixed, but more important is that you're here to tell us the story!

[myrodr]

i dont blame the new drivers. part of the problem is they dont drive till they are 16. my dad let me drive on back roads when i was 13. my daughter was 10 when she learned to drive my 88 mustang 5 spd 4 :10 gears @16 she is a better driver than most 20 year olds.

[thathotrodlincn]

In my opinion, part of the problem is in the "driver's education" programs. For the mosr part, they do not teach how to drive - no highway courtesy, no emergency techniques, no common sence. Yet,the parents abrogate their rexponsibilities to these programs because they are too involved in other thisngs, not the least of which is making a living. If children are the equation, the parents MUST be involved, and take responsibility for their offspring.

[PurdueRifleman]

In my opinion, part of the problem is in the "driver's education" programs. For the mosr part, they do not teach how to drive - no highway courtesy, no emergency techniques, no common sence. Yet,the parents abrogate their rexponsibilities to these programs because they are too involved in other thisngs, not the least of which is making a living. If children are the equation, the parents MUST be involved, and take responsibility for their offspring.


Seriously. My driver's education class in HS was a joke. We didn't even have the road carnage videos.

[RoyLPita]

Sorry to see this. Keep us posted on anything new.

[kernie]

In my opinion, part of the problem is in the "driver's education" programs. For the mosr part, they do not teach how to drive - no highway courtesy, no emergency techniques, no common sence. Yet,the parents abrogate their rexponsibilities to these programs because they are too involved in other thisngs, not the least of which is making a living. If children are the equation, the parents MUST be involved, and take responsibility for their offspring.


Seriously. My driver's education class in HS was a joke. We didn't even have the road carnage videos.
I remember my "drivers education", there wasn't any, and anyone middle-aged or older i'm sure would agree. But....everything today is bad, you know.

:beer:

[Bluerauder]

Never seen anybody try to turn left in the far right lane til today...at the expense of my hood an bumper an front doors...

Sorry to hear this and see the damage to your Marauder. :(

I don't think that the problem is limited to "teenage drivers". Certainly many of them do not have the driving experience or stick time behind the wheel. However, the idiotic lane changes and such afflict all age groups. For many people, driving is a secondary activity and often takes a backseat to "whatever" else is on their mind at the time. This is why you see so many people wait until the last minute to take an interstate exit often crossing 2 lanes to get there. There's just not an awareness of what is going on around them.

Driver's Education classes on deals with the "mechanics" of driving. The anticipation and awareness aspects are learned. Kids that pay attention to their parents driving skills when they are young tend to pick up what they see .... the good and even the bad stuff. If they can recognize "the bad", they will become better drivers.

[PonyUP]

We're always going to have idiot drivers. Idiots texting while driving, talking on the phone, doing their make-up, eating, reading newspapers. We live in a multi-tasking society and that same society is filled with a large amount of morons, which doesn't make for a good combination.

I will say this though, I think raising the driving age to 18 can help. It's not a solution, but as an early teenager you are too easily distracted and haven't learned to respect the power you have behind the wheel. What very few teenagers realize is that a faulty decision behind the wheel can cost someone else there life. A person may never be able to emotional recover from something like that, but I know a 16 year old does not have the capability to even fathom dealing with something like that.

My Drivers Ed program was a summer program where we did do highway driving and defensive driving which greatly helped. But at 16, I don't think anyone should have a drivers license, as inconvenient as it is for adults, I think those 2 years make a huge diference in maturity and respect for others and the vehicle. Just my opinion

[guspech750]

I remember in our drivers ed class in high school. They taught us defensive driving. We even had driving simulators that put us in situations and we would have to react to avoid an accident. They taught us about courtesy, took us on the highway and major roads. We had lots of behind the wheel time and classroom time. I remember one of our teachers was so confident in his students that some even got to practice driving the teachers Pontiac GTA Trans Am. Unfortunately for me. I was not in his class:(

I also think that so many teens see so many adults driving so bad that they too learn bad habbits just from observation.

[PurdueRifleman]

I remember my "drivers education", there wasn't any, and anyone middle-aged or older i'm sure would agree. But....everything today is bad, you know.

:beer:

Eh, I guess like Billy Joel said, "The good ol' days weren't always good and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems," but the high school in the small town just east of where I went to school was still showing them ca. 2002.

[Ralph Sr.]

i agree with thathotrodlincn/bluerauder, posts ! i also think all new drivers go to driving school !!!! reason for this is b/c your giving someone a drivers license ,with no experience .. so they get out there, start to push/go fast /race, etc.. they do not know what to do in any of these sitations !! ralph sr./rkvette- did you guys know if you buy a new zr1 corvette , gm pays for you to go to a driving school.. my son did this at ron fellows school, near las vegas.. it does help so you know what car is going to do rather than finding out the hard way !!.

[kernie]

i agree with thathotrodlincn/bluerauder, posts ! i also think all new drivers go to driving school !!!! reason for this is b/c your giving someone a drivers license ,with no experience .. so they get out there, start to push/go fast /race, etc.. they do not know what to do in any of these sitations !! ralph sr./rkvette- did you guys know if you buy a new zr1 corvette , gm pays for you to go to a driving school.. my son did this at ron fellows school, near las vegas.. it does help so you know what car is going to do rather than finding out the hard way !!.

Wow! That is a good idea.

The more training the better for sure, skid school too.

:beer:

[rayjay]

NYS is getting very strict on the requirements for new drivers and how many people they can have in the car with them when they are driving. My youngest daughter will NOT be getting her license until she completes drivers ed, a seperate summer course we have to pay for, and I DEEM she is ready. I don't want a dead kid. I buried a brother, I won't be burying a child. I already did this with my other two older children. Only one accident between them, totally not at fault. As far as post #1 of this thread, yes I have seen that done and written tickets for it. Abject stupidity behind the wheel. At least one of the people I wrote LOST his license for that bone head move. Probabtion period violation. Too stupid to be driving.

[dakslim]

My HS had drivers training and drivers ed. They also showed the carnage videos. The local Chrysler dealer, I think, donated a Dodge for training. Schools today have no budget for such items which is too bad.

[kernie]

My HS had riders training and riders ed. They also showed the cavalry pictures. The local livery stable, I think, donated an old hag for training. Schools today have no budget for such items which is too bad.

There fixed it for ya! :D

[ImpalaSlayer]

guess im lucky, ive been driving things since i can remember. taking them apart and modding them too :P

[Motorhead350]

Don't blame it on their age, blame it on their skill or lack of skill as a driver.

[Egon Spengler]

Don't blame it on their age, blame it on their skill or lack of skill as a driver.
due... to... their... age!!!

[duhtroll]

No, it is their age.

Kids actually lose up to several IQ points while their brains rewire themselves from childhood to adulthood, at which point we hope they regain them. It is where the "kids think they are invincible" thing comes from. The last part of their brain to develop is the part that includes the center for reason. It is also why they fail to think long term.

Granted, that is a generalization and everyone is an individual. But generally, driving skill is more about maturity than actual physical dexterity controlling the car.

In short, there are some very skilled, yet stupid drivers.


Don't blame it on their age, blame it on their skill or lack of skill as a driver.

[88LTDCV351]

My high school did not have a drivers ed or anything like that. However, when my Dad taught me how to drive, he was mean. So that helped a lot in me learning to drive right. And he has always been the safest driver I know. It was about driving from A to B safely and all that with him. He was a good example. And when you ran a red light or something because you weren't paying attention, he would make you feel ashamed by screaming at you so you never do it again. So I think example and good parenting has a lot to do with it.

[merkathomas]

Well....thank u teen driver wearing skinny jeans learn how to drive u pile of ****

[MrBluGruv]

It was about driving from A to B safely and all that with him. He was a good example.

I actually think that that mentality is why people are such terrible drivers any more. That's not saying that he was a bad one though, obviously you feel he was and those good driving habits were passed on to you.

I think that in looking at it purely as a get from point A to point B task, it removes some of the seriousness of operating a motor vehicle from peoples' minds.

I'll admit though I can offer no real alternative though, cause clearly we can see that simply telling people to take driving more seriously isn't particularly having the desired effect.

[ImpalaSlayer]

buy it back?

[merkathomas]

How much u think it would cost to buy it back

[RR|Suki]

How much u think it would cost to buy it back

If the insurance company is telling you it is totaled, they can let you know how much to buy it back

[ImpalaSlayer]

if you have the means to part it out do so. or even better if you have the means to fix it. all depends how mucht hey are offering you to buy it back. maybe post it here too, some one may wana buy it from them

[merkathomas]

I haven't talked to my insurance I just left the body shop...they said the front end is done an something bout the core being ruined

[Blk Mamba]

A lot of times, I think age is a big contributor to our cars being totaled, not necessarily the amount of damage. Buy it and fix it.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

That didn't look totaled to me.

[BODYMAN]

got any pics? know it just happened. Hope youre OK! Usuall buy back amount is around 10-20% of ACV. But it does vary from co. to co. How many miles were on it? I would be possibly interested in buying from you if you can retain it for salvage amount if it isnt to bad and give you some money for youre time! Just a thought. Primarily though is you hope youre doing fine.

[merkathomas]

Wat is the core that they are talking about?

[BODYMAN]

Wat is the core that they are talking about?

I would say he is refering to the Core support/Radiator supt same thing it is youre frt inner structure holds lamp mtg panel rad,cond all that in place. But in 25 yrs never heard anyone say just core?

[merkathomas]

He said core support I tried to look it up only using "core" not "core support"...does a ruined core support always total a car?

[ImpalaSlayer]

He said core support I tried to look it up only using "core" not "core support"...does a ruined core support always total a car?

no not at all.

[LANDY]

sorry about that, hope your ok.
buy it back!

[Crown Vicman]

Glad you didn't get hurt. Its amazing at how many of these cars are being wrecked. I went to a bank out of town a few weeks back and spoke to an accountant that (once) owned a marauder. He said he let his friend borrow it and it got totaled out.

[dohc324ci]

Sorry to hear; glad everyone is okay.

[Blk Mamba]

It seems like one a week, since I got here, are totaled, they get rarer every day.

[DOOM]

Well....thank u teen driver wearing skinny jeans learn how to drive u pile of ****

Since nobody else asked.

What happened? :confused:

[Cobra25]

Remember what ever price the insurance company gives you for a buy back you can still bargain with them to lower the price in some case's.

[Bluerauder]

Since nobody else asked.

What happened? :confused:

Because he posted it here with pics several days ago >>>> http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67507

Gotta keep up DOOM. ;)

[BODYMAN]

He said core support I tried to look it up only using "core" not "core support"...does a ruined core support always total a car?

core supports get replaced all the time no big deal there. Its just a parts & labor thing vs value is where the TTL comes in to play. Alot of nice cars get totaled that way.

[DEFYANT]

No, it is their age.

Kids actually lose up to several IQ points while their brains rewire themselves from childhood to adulthood, at which point we hope they regain them. It is where the "kids think they are invincible" thing comes from. The last part of their brain to develop is the part that includes the center for reason. It is also why they fail to think long term.

Granted, that is a generalization and everyone is an individual. But generally, driving skill is more about maturity than actual physical dexterity controlling the car.

In short, there are some very skilled, yet stupid drivers.

Well that explains a lot! Great post.

[Motorhead350]

Children should get a drivers license so they will become better teen drivers.

[omaharacer]

Anybody know wat the price is for a front bumper, hood, side panels, radiator, headlights, basically a whole front end
LOL, you have it easy. Well, not really, basically same as mine, possibly less damage.
Junk-yard U-Pull is cheapest, if you can find the parts. Otherwise this is a good estimate on what you might pay for the cheapest stuff:
Headlight - $68 (eBay aftermarket)
Grill - $190
Header panel - $186 (eBay aftermarket)
Radiator support - $89 (eBay aftermarket)
Fog Light - $40 (Mazda MPV/Miata/Monterey is SAME)
Fender - $113 (eBay aftermarket)
Hood - $164 (eBay aftermarket)
Battery tray - $20 (this board classifieds)
Radiator (if needed) - $63 (eBay aftermarket)
A/C Condenser (if needed) - $110 (rockauto.com)
Energy absorber pad (behind bumper) - $33 Right side (teamfordparts.com or tituswillfordparts.com)
Bumper cover - $1,115 (new OEM - tituswillfordparts.com) or aftermarket - $500 eBay

Maybe $1,500+paint on the low end. Over $2,000 on the high end.

[PonyUP]

Children should get a drivers license so they will become better teen drivers.

Yes that's a great idea because we all know the younger you are the more patient and mature you are, so of course putting them in a 4000lb vehicle that can kill is a good idea. Why don't we just let video games teach them driving

[yjmud]

That isn't that bad
check out my pics hit a deer

[jaywish]

It may be totaled due to $ damage but it looks like a fairly light hit.

[Vortex]

There are mexican bodyshops all over Dallas that could fix that front clip pretty easy I bet. Looks like you need almost an entire front clip and a radiator, as well as some hammering of the radiator supports plus paint. Id guess at maybe 4-5k worth of work (but Im no expert, just basing it on past experiences.) That plus the cost of buying from the insurance company; well, maybe better off finding another one.

[CBT]

Sucks, man. Mebbe you can buy it back on the cheap and part it out or use it for spare parts for your next Marauder.

[BODYMAN]

That hit is the type all techs in a shop want. Per labor hours Body and Paint is approx 30-35 hrs gob and can nock it out in a week along with working on 4 or so other jobs at same time. That is a very simple repair in a capable persons hands it is about a week or so from start to finish as long as dont get stuck waiting on any additional parts found upon teardown. You really should find out what the buyback$ is and get it fixed due to so many TTL'S anymore alot of good shop are begging for more business you can wheel and deal with a shop on price. I have given a cust alot back before just to get the job.

[jaywish]

I think these estimates of between $3,000 to $5,000 are pretty good. Alot depends on who will be doing the work for you, how much you can do yourself. And how much hidden damage there is (if any). If you just go full boat on oem and full labor rates the estimate would be much higher.

Try to buy as many used OEM clean parts as you can before going aftermarket. If you do go aftermarket try and get parts certified to fit.

If you had any mechanical problems with major components at the time of the accident, let it go or part it out.

I have a question. If the insurance company totals the car and you "buy it back" does it get a branded title?

Jay

[BODYMAN]

est is 3000 range are light no matter what parts you use. AS elaborated by others go lkq and scavenge for any good oem stuff you can find. Asfor title3 status that varies from state to state In MO it used to be you kept it and titlae stayed clear but it was reported to NICB(national Ins crime bureau) for the reason someone cant keep it sell it and new owner ins then claim the prior damages as new. That has changed once veh is at 75% it is a ttl no matter how keep it or not.