What's a lidio tune and 4.10's worth in the 1/4 mile

[JBeezy]

Just curios as this is all I plan on having for a while plus maybe a CAI. Wasn't sure which forum to post this in

[a_d_a_m]

I'm gonna say low 14s.

[ntd]

Just curios as this is all I plan on having for a while plus maybe a CAI. Wasn't sure which forum to post this in

I got 14.59 at 94.41 with a Lidio tuned, Ford Racing 4.10's, J-mod, Magnaflow Mufflers, Rear Cats Removed. I spun off the line due water on the track so I think low 14's easily see my 1st vid

[mrjones]

With Lidios 93, 4.10s, and a JLT, my best has been a 14.2. And btw, I'm not a small guy.

[BLACK SHEEP]

And with the DR tune? Just for comparison?

[fastblackmerc]

Your track times depend on alot of things........

Track condition

Temperature

Humidity

Tire pressure

Reaction time

etc.

[SC Cheesehead]

And with the DR tune? Just for comparison?


Don't know as if anyone's run both a Lidio and a DR tun in their car to do a direct comparision.


Bone stock my car ran low 15's, with 4.10's, CAI, U/D pulleys, and a DR tune I ran mid 14's.

Same set up with a Zack tune knocked off another tenth.

[JBeezy]

I was wondering just what it would take to run high 13's or a 14 flat? That's about what I've seen a stock dodge charger run, well he claims he has a tune. Would love to b able to knock a buddy of mine off at any given time

[prchrman]

I was wondering just what it would take to run high 13's or a 14 flat? That's about what I've seen a stock dodge charger run, well he claims he has a tune. Would love to b able to knock a buddy of mine off at any given time

Will probably need more than CAI, tune and 4.10s to get there. I have looked at timeslips and the details and most also needed TC and exhaust work to get where you want to go. Some show high 13's with the big 3 mods but not many.

Also it looks like DR and Lidio's tunes are dispersed pretty evenly among the timeslips per 1/4 times.

[kirk]

I ran extensive testing on mine at Milan a few years back. It ran 15.70 bone stock and 15.16 with the Lidio tune alone.

[JBeezy]

I ran extensive testing on mine at Milan a few years back. It ran 15.70 bone stock and 15.16 with the Lidio tune alone.

That 15.7 is about what my stock Impala SS ran some years back

[sailsmen]

Trippletransam ran either a 14.5 or 14.2 completely stock in cool Canadian Air.

I ran 14.2 with DR tune, 4:10, Denso and UD pullies.

14.2 puts you faster than most stock Muscle Cars. Most of the fastest stock Muscle Cars ran in the low 13's.

Temp and Humidity can add .7 to your fastest run. Elevation is a factor that NHRA has a formula for tracks over ~900'. If you want to run a 14.0 on any given day your fastest time needs to be at least a 13.3.

There are too many variables at the track to compare a DR tune to a Lidio tune. You maybe able to on a eddy current dyno set up to duplicate the street.

I have compared different tunes back to back, however in the time it takes to reload a tune enough variables varied enough to offset any difference in the particular tunes I was comparing.

[TFB]

Your track times depend on alot of things........

Track condition

Temperature

Humidity

Tire pressure

Reaction time

etc.

Reaction time has nothing to do with the ET, timing starts when the tire rolls out of the beam...

Five seconds or .005, ET is same...

[SC Cheesehead]

Trippletransam ran either a 14.5 or 14.2 completely stock in cool Canadian Air.

I ran 14.2 with DR tune, 4:10, Denso and UD pullies.

14.2 puts you faster than most stock Muscle Cars. Most of the fastest stock Muscle Cars ran in the low 13's.

Temp and Humidity can add .7 to your fastest run. Elevation is a factor that NHRA has a formula for tracks over ~900'. If you want to run a 14.0 on any given day your fastest time needs to be at least a 13.3.

There are too many variables at the track to compare a DR tune to a Lidio tune. You maybe able to on a eddy current dyno set up to duplicate the street.

I have compared different tunes back to back, however in the time it takes to reload a tune enough variables varied enough to offset any difference in the particular tunes I was comparing.

Exactly. And therein lies the challenge of apples to apples comparision between tunes; nothing esle stays constant.

[jstevens]

If you want to hit 13's you may want to consider an 80 or 100 shot.

[JBeezy]

If you want to hit 13's you may want to consider an 80 or 100 shot.

That's what my buddy said. I have 2 nitrous kits in my shop but I couldn't bring myself to spray my car. I guess I'll have to settle for mid 14's per say. I'm not going to the track either to test it out. All the homework has been done. Thanks all

[Constable]

My '03:

- Stock = 15.1x
+ DR tune, 4.10's, K&N filter = 14.2x
+ Kooks LT's = 13.7x

I added a torque converter and a DR built tranny, but could never get the car to launch right after that. I had it re-tuned and picked up a lot of missing power. I went 13.6x with considerable tire spin. There was easily 4 tenths left in it if I could have got off the line right. Needed drag radials or some type of stickies. If I had it to do over again, I'd skip the trans work and TC. I'd add a 75-100 shot of spray and a set of sticky tires...

[JBeezy]

My '03:

- Stock = 15.1x
+ DR tune, 4.10's, K&N filter = 14.2x
+ Kooks LT's = 13.7x

I added a torque converter and a DR built tranny, but could never get the car to launch right after that. I had it re-tuned and picked up a lot of missing power. I went 13.6x with considerable tire spin. There was easily 4 tenths left in it if I could have got off the line right. Needed drag radials or some type of stickies. If I had it to do over again, I'd skip the trans work and TC. I'd add a 75-100 shot of spray and a set of sticky tires...

When I was spraying my mustang I had zero problems with it. Just can't bring myself to spray the MM

[1 Bad Merc]

Most of the guys that were running low 14's and high 13's used a 3000 or 3500 stall TC, 4.10's, UD'S and a good tune. Trans' had the j-mod done to them. Look at some of Barry's old posts as he was the fastest N/A back in the day. I know he played around with his' tune and adjusted different parameters at MV II (weather was real hot) and his' car was very quick. He also had some sticky tires on their also to help his' 60ft time.

Our cars (without a supercharger) dont leave out of the hole real well so you need the above addons to get our heavy cars moving. Once the car get's up it takes off.

[JBeezy]

Maybe I'd consider a TC if/when I ever get the tranny rebuilt or pulled out for some reason

I remember putting a C4 in my supercharged mustang temporary. It had a 3000 stall in it. Boy was that fun with the B&M Rachet shifter. 12psi. FTW!!!

[tbone]

14.308@96mph

[En4cer71]

Anyone have dyno numbers with these 3 mods alone?

[LANDY]

My previous mm with Cai, kooks, is pulleys, php intake spacer, 4.10s, and a dyno tune from Dennis.
293rwhp 308rwtq.
In 50* weather I was pulling constant 13.80s with good traction.
In 90* weather same mods the fastest was 14.1

[JBeezy]

Received my xcal1 today with lidio tunes for 3.55's and 4.10's. Waiting on a set of 4.10's from a buddy of mine. Can't wait to get the tune installed. It's raining so I won't even pull it out the shop or put the tune in tonight.

I guess no more 89 octane for the highway anymore. Yea yea, I used 89 when I took road trips. No hard accelerating, just cruise control set at 75mph, lol. No pinging at all

[SID210SA]

My 04 SB:

Stock: 15.6 @ 91MPH
Lidio Tune and JLT CAI: 14.6 @ 95MPH

Both times at the same track and run about 65-70 degrees.

[chader]

if you are just looking for a low time slip, it is easie to drive your car to a track with low elavation. that will make more of a differance then any tune..imo.

[Taemian]

if you are just looking for a low time slip, it is easie to drive your car to a track with low elavation. that will make more of a differance then any tune..imo.

Not always. We're at 70ft above sea level, but our Street Legal Fridays suck. Track prep is ok, but after all the imports and street tire'd rods chew up the starting line, there's not much traction left. I've never got lower than 1.9 in the 60', and Dave with the Nitto 05s got a 1.8 best....and still managed a 12.02. Track prep rules all.

[Seneca]

14.8 stock with 5k miles on the car then 14.5 with 10k miles 410s jlt and lideo tune. all runs made in the fall in very cools temps.

[sailsmen]

if you are just looking for a low time slip, it is easie to drive your car to a track with low elavation. that will make more of a differance then any tune..imo.

Low elevation usually means high humidity which means less power.

[babbage]

I ran a 14.5 with CAI and a Tune.

Ran 14.02 with PI ~3000 TC, 3.73, Accufab, EMP pump, tune, 180 stat, spacer, GMS ropes. (stock exhaust)

I'm faster than most N/A Marauders with 4.10's, yet I have 3.73's :grad:

With the addition converter/newer trans/gears I dropped half a second. Now I have SW LT's on the way, then with dyno tune I should be 13.4ish perhaps ;)

[LANDY]

I agree, Track prep play a big role, specially on high HP cars. I went to the Track today and on all four passes I spun and got 1.9 on the 60'. They cleaned the track twice but they never layed vht in it.

[freakstatus]

14.46. No 4.10's.

[sailsmen]

Chip, 4:10 Gears, Under Drive Pullies, PI Torque Convertor, Cobra Exhaust – 13.74 @ 98.33.

Several with 4:10, Chip, PI Convertor and Headers have run 13.4-13.5. I don't know of anyone with 3.73 who has matched or beat this time with these mods. If you do please post up.

[JBeezy]

What's this intake spacer I keep reading about? What is it's function? Torque?

[SC Cheesehead]

What's this intake spacer I keep reading about? What is it's function? Torque?

Save you money.

Lots bigger bang fro your buck elsewhere.

[MOTOWN]

i got mines off ebay for $80 bucks! very pleased with the difference!

[Fosters]

What's this intake spacer I keep reading about? What is it's function? Torque?

I put one on the mach, didn't do anything on the dyno; except shift the powerband lower by about 50 rpm. It made the shaker taller though. If I could find the original intake bolts, I'd take it off.

[JBeezy]

What's a good torque convertor to get for my car? Don't think I'll do this but it's a thought.

I have cold air, 4.10's and a Lidio Tune in my car now.

Just wondering what drivability would be like with a higher stall?

[SC Cheesehead]

What's a good torque convertor to get for my car? Don't think I'll do this but it's a thought.

I have cold air, 4.10's and a Lidio Tune in my car now.

Just wondering what drivability would be like with a higher stall?

What are your goals for the car's performance? Is it primarily a DD or do you race it often? Do you live in a real hilly area? Do you do a lot of city driving? Response under light throttle is going to be sluggish with a higher stall converter, as you're going to have to rev the engine higher to get the car moving.

[ctrlraven]

What's a good torque convertor to get for my car? Don't think I'll do this but it's a thought.

I have cold air, 4.10's and a Lidio Tune in my car now.

Just wondering what drivability would be like with a higher stall?
Circle D would be my choice if I have to replace my PI 3500 triple disc converter. There really isn't any drive-ability problems IF the tune has been corrected for the stall converter. 2800-3000 is good for all around street car, when you start to go higher than that then you give up just a hair of drive-ability if racing is what the goal is.

I went 14.19 on Zack's tune, JLT, rear cats deleted, plugs, gms coil connectors and 255/55-18 tires on the rear with 3.55 gears. Installed a 3500 stall converter and went 13.72 with 3.55 gears on 255/50-16 drag radials (3.89 effective rear gear). Did my exhaust, underdrive pulleys, 4.10 gears and dyno tune and best I could get was 13.63 cause something was really wrong with the trans parameters.

[MrBluGruv]

I'll still stand by supercharging being the best route to take. N/A builds are definitely possible, but unless you're just looking for a fun boulevard cruiser (mild n/a is perfect for that) or REALLY want to get down and dirty with things (full-on n/a build), just finance for a trilogy kit and be done with it. PLENTY fast and PLENTY fun, plus the whine of a PD blower.

[JBeezy]

I love it for what it is. Just want some extra without going overboard. Right now it will never see the drag strip unless I'm called out by something in my class. When I am called out I want to be ready

Would love a supercharger but don't want the problems that come with it. My last mustang was supercharged and poppin headgaskets like nobodies business. Tuned with a burnt chip and all. I guess it was the heat or too much boost. Could have been a number of factors. Just going to stay N/A and have fun

[SC Cheesehead]

I love it for what it is. Just want some extra without going overboard. Right now it will never see the drag strip unless I'm called out by something in my class. When I am called out I want to be ready

Would love a supercharger but don't want the problems that come with it. My last mustang was supercharged and poppin headgaskets like nobodies business. Tuned with a burnt chip and all. I guess it was the heat or too much boost. Could have been a number of factors. Just going to stay N/A and have fun

Tell Marauderjack that; 200,000+ miles with a S/C... ;)

CBT's doing an Eaton swap on his car with over 100K on the clock, I did mine at 60K and no issues to date, the thing runs like a Swiss watch. Then there's all the Trilogy guys that have run S/C'd without issues many going on 9 years, so what are "the problems that come with supercharging? :confused: ----> :cool4:

I'd say unless you're running crazy boost and a real aggressive tune, a S/C'd car is going to be as reliable as N/A, and what's not to love about 400+ rwhp? I guarantee, get you a blower and "when you are called out, you will be ready." :D

That said, N/A is still fun, enjoy!

[MrBluGruv]

Sounds to me like some part of your supercharger setup wasn't setup/built properly. You either ran more boost than the engine itself could handle, ran a tune that was too aggressive, or simply didn't install proper support in the realm of cooling or otherwise. Even other Mustang owners run s/c without problems.

The beauty of the Trilogy kit too is that you don't have those problems. You literally get a bolt-on kit with EVERYTHING you need except a tune that is specifically catered to your MM (although you'll get one that will allow it to limp to a proper tuner.) For all the money I spent myself on n/a mods, I wish I would've just gone Trilogy.

[JBeezy]

I think it was the aggressive tune to be honest. How much would a trilogy kit cost and someone said something about financing a kit. What's that about.

[SC Cheesehead]

I think it was the aggressive tune to be honest. How much would a trilogy kit cost and someone said something about financing a kit. What's that about.

Guspech750 priced one recently, IIRC, $7,600 shipped.

Trilogy used to (and maybe still does) offer a layaway plan. You set up weekly/monthly payments, when you get the thing paid for, Trilogy ships you the kit.

[MMarauder03]

If you want to hit 13's you may want to consider an 80 or 100 shot.

low low 13's on 100 shot if not high 12's. Which is what he asked for I guess :D

[LANDY]

Cheap horsepower one word: Nitrous

[ctrlraven]

Cheap horsepower one word: Nitrous
Also can only use it at the track. It's nice to have the power (built NA or s/c) on command via go fast pedal.

[SC Cheesehead]

Also can only use it at the track. It's nice to have the power (built NA or s/c) on command via go fast pedal.

Yup! :burnout:

[MrBluGruv]

I think it was the aggressive tune to be honest. How much would a trilogy kit cost and someone said something about financing a kit. What's that about.

The key component here is the headache factor. So long as you can get a shop that can tune your S/C setup well, you should essentially have zero headaches when everything is up and running, at least not any more so than you would have with the car from the factory. When you're doing your own build, n/a or s/c, there can be a LOT of headaches unless you are extremely experienced or seriously don't care about your car being out of commission for various periods of time.

IMO, $7600 is the price you would pay to have high HP without headaches.

[LANDY]

[QUOTE=ctrlraven;1
065069]Also can only use it at the track. [l/QUOTE]
Not exactly, I'm planning to use mine on the street, on the TPS.

[JBeezy]

My speedo is 10mph too fast.

[MMarauder03]

My speedo is 10mph too fast.

Then slow down... cars have brakes :P

[JBeezy]

No, since I loaded the 4.10 lidio tune and installed the 4.10's it's too fast. I checked it vs my gps last night. How can I get this corrected. I have the xcal1

[Blackened300a]

No, since I loaded the 4.10 lidio tune and installed the 4.10's it's too fast. I checked it vs my gps last night. How can I get this corrected. I have the xcal1

Did you change the size of your rear tires? Or are you sure they actually installed the 4.10 ring and pinion? Contact Lidio, maybe he didnt set it up for 4.10s in the tune.

[JBeezy]

I'm very sure. Myself and my buddy installed the gears. I loaded the tune right after. It was dead on with the 3.55 tune

No change in tire size. Just swapped gears and loaded tune for 4.10's

[ctrlraven]

Talk to Lidio then if you got the tune from him.

[JBeezy]

That's the only thing. I bought it from another member here that bought it from lidio. I thing he went S/C'd and didn't need it. Either way I'd like to straighten it out

[SC Cheesehead]

That's the only thing. I bought it from another member here that bought it from lidio. I thing he went S/C'd and didn't need it. Either way I'd like to straighten it out

IIRC, if you bought it from another owner, and he downloaded the tune to his car, then the tuner is married to his VIN. Also, the PCM codes were different between '03 and '04, is the seller's car is a different model year than yours?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-65140.html

[JBeezy]

He never loaded it. The tune for the 3.55's worked great and so is the tune for 4.10's. Only problem is my speedo is off. I'm thinking lidio just mistakenly did not correct the speedo. Tranny shifts great. All else is well

[SC Cheesehead]

He never loaded it. The tune for the 3.55's worked great and so is the tune for 4.10's. Only problem is my speedo is off. I'm thinking lidio just mistakenly did not correct the speedo. Tranny shifts great. All else is well

Gotcha. Then it's prolly a programming issue that Lidio can correct. Like the other poster said, give Lidio a holler; he should be able to get you squared away in short order.

[JBeezy]

Any contact info for him. Heard he's kind of hard to catch up with being so busy

[SC Cheesehead]

Any contact info for him. Heard he's kind of hard to catch up with being so busy


Check out his website for contact info:

http://www.alternativeauto.com/

[ctrlraven]

Any contact info for him. Heard he's kind of hard to catch up with being so busy
http://www.alternativeauto.com/

Alternative Auto Performance
51945 Gratiot Ave, Chesterfield Twp., Michigan 48051
Phone: 586.949.7505 - Fax: 586.949.7501

Info is right on their webpage.

[JBeezy]

Thanks.........

[Fosters]

I love it for what it is. Just want some extra without going overboard. Right now it will never see the drag strip unless I'm called out by something in my class. When I am called out I want to be ready

Would love a supercharger but don't want the problems that come with it. My last mustang was supercharged and poppin headgaskets like nobodies business. Tuned with a burnt chip and all. I guess it was the heat or too much boost. Could have been a number of factors. Just going to stay N/A and have fun

Based on the bolded part, I think you're best off with a nitrous kit. Nitrous likes compression a lot more than superchargers do, it's not overboard if it's not on, and it comes with its own cooling. A 100 wet shot, colder plugs and a tune for it; a digital rpm switch, fuel pressure safety switch and wot switch, and it'll be as safe as can be.

I went the NA route with my mach1, and it wasn't pretty. I could have had a built shortblock and a supercharger for the amt of money it took to get it in the low 12s. Granted, those two things (shortblock + blower) added to how the car sits now would probably make me skip 11s altogether, and there's no worries about breaking anything right now, but still... The biggest speed gain in the mustang wasn't from the n/a power, was mostly from weight dropped. With a marauder, that's a helluva lot harder to do...

[Micahdogg]

I'm interested to know what rpm you guys with 4.10's are crossing through the traps at?

[Blackened300a]

I'm interested to know what rpm you guys with 4.10's are crossing through the traps at?

RPMs, Im not sure of, but I could run over 125mph in 3rd with the 4.10s before hitting the redline.

[na svt]

Guspech750 priced one recently, IIRC, $7,600 shipped.
That's ridiculous.