Cobra SWAP

[TUXrauder]

Okay guys, be gentle on the comments, just starting to get excited and trying to make sure all my ducks are in a row...

Cobra reman Long block swap out.

so far, I have read that I need is:

Flex Plate Flywheel....

whatever gaskets to finish swapping for complete assembly...

will everything just bolt up, hook up, plug in?

WHAT ELSE????

Also, any bets on how long I will go before I am out here asking on how easy it is to install SC???

roger

[MOTOWN]

welcome bud!:wave: ok your screen name is my catch phrase, and we have the same name! go figure

[TUXrauder]

Thanks motown, I a mean bud.... or is it bud 7 too?
been here since bought MM but this decision has went full circle, wanted a stroker solution, but just not feeling comfortable with setup since will be my everyday driver...

[SC Cheesehead]

You'll want to go with a different front skirt, as the frame will require notching if you use the Cobra unit in a MM.

Better off using the MM skirt and getting tensioner and alternator mounting brackets from gortch.

Also, battery will need to be relocated from PS to DS, or else to the trunk.

If you're going to S/C the car, make sure you've got at least 39 lb injectors, and you'll have to upgrade your fuel pumping system with a minimum of a GT fuel pump and a KB Boost-a-pump.

[MOTOWN]

Thanks motown, I a mean bud.... or is it bud 7 too?
been here since bought MM but this decision has went full circle, wanted a stroker solution, but just not feeling comfortable with setup since will be my everyday driver...

no just bud, bud!

sounds like a great project you have going! pic?
:beer:

[TUXrauder]

SC Cheesehead,
thanks for input. Thinking about reloating battery in truck (Just removes issue for any mods in future). I pm'ed Gortch on the brackets and all, hopefully can keep mm skirt. Assuming injectors AND fuel pump only needed when SC happens?
Pics, will take camera (I am terrible about it remembering camera). anyone have dimensions and exact location of where need notch?
can get that done next week.
Bud...

[RacerX]

Also, any bets on how long I will go before I am out here asking on how easy it is to install SC???
roger
No bets, you're already interested! :D

[TUXrauder]

So word is, swap out timing cover with MM cover and wont need to notch frame (RacerX input).
thanks again for input...
rog

[sailsmen]

Swap out the timing cover (front skirt) and oil pan from the MM to the Cobra LB.
Do not notch the frame!:eek:

[ImpalaSlayer]

SC Cheesehead,
thanks for input. Thinking about reloating battery in truck (Just removes issue for any mods in future). I pm'ed Gortch on the brackets and all, hopefully can keep mm skirt. Assuming injectors AND fuel pump only needed when SC happens?
Pics, will take camera (I am terrible about it remembering camera). anyone have dimensions and exact location of where need notch?
can get that done next week.
Bud...

if you keep the cobra timing cover, the brackets terry sells will be useless to you. use the mm cover and terrys brackets, much better set up

[TUXrauder]

Swap out the timing cover (front skirt) and oil pan from the MM to the Cobra LB.
Do not notch the frame!:eek:
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Thanks sailsman....

[TUXrauder]

Thanks Impala slayer....

NOW THE EXCITMENT IS BUILDING!!!!!!!

had this car since late march, just looking at it...

[RR|Suki]

Seems like notching the frame is 1: cheaper 2: easier. It's a boxed frame in the first place, if you notch it and weld an inverted piece back in it's really not a big deal. . . but that's just me.

[RacerX]

Seems like notching the frame is 1: cheaper 2: easier. It's a boxed frame in the first place, if you notch it and weld an inverted piece back in it's really not a big deal. . . but that's just me.
Bet I can swap a timing cover faster than you can do that! (engine out of vehicle of course!) :D Cheaper? Just need Right Stuff rtv...

[TUXrauder]

RacerX,
you won't take my bet, but your throwing your own bets out here????
WTH?

[RacerX]

Roger, get a new front timing cover seal for the mm cover too. They're around $10. You can even leave the valve covers on to swap covers. Take the three gaskets off the Cobra cover very carefully. It's a reman so those will be new and they are reusable/very durable. Careful with the valve cover gaskets too if you leave those on when removing the tc.

[RR|Suki]

Bet I can swap a timing cover faster than you can do that! (engine out of vehicle of course!) :D Cheaper? Just need Right Stuff rtv...

ummm if he swaps the timing cover he'll need to swap all the front dress stuff to the brackets made for the marauder, and buy those brackets. If you think you can start with a full dressed motor pull the crank pulley and all the front stuff on the cobra, reinstall the new cover and install all the new front dress stuff and crank pulleys in less time than I can get a muscle car guy down the street to put a little notch in the frame more power to you :lol:

[RacerX]

??? If I had all the front dress MM parts already and my airtools You'd just be arriving at your muscle car guy's house. Done it already, don't know why others have a hard time. Got the t-shirt. Well, good luck Roger! There's many ways to get to the same place and one thing we can all agree on is that at times we disagree on best ways to get to the end result.

[RR|Suki]

whatever you say man, unless you are running the crank pulley bolt off with the air gun, then the pulley just falls off in your hand (mine sure didn't), and then just pressing it back on again with the gun instead of the tool, that part alone will will take longer than notching the frame. Not to mention whatever the cost is currently for the brackets to make the eaton work with the Marauder cover. but yeah you're right

[RacerX]

Poof! C'mon spring time!!! :)

[RR|Suki]

You're an a** at times. Esp. if you don't have a $15.00 puller which means you don't know how to use it quickly anyway...

lol get mad if you like superstar, I just call it like it is

You claim to be able to go from this:
http://www.proweldperformanceparts.co m/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/2004Cobra.jpg
to this:
http://home.comcast.net/~downloads1/MB/build%20(100).jpg
(with the cam covers on of course)
and back again (with the marauder stuff needed instead naturally), before a little notch can be put in the frame. . . oh and cheaper cuz apparently all the new brackets are free

All I'm doing is calling BS, cry some more.

PS VT had a motor in the car when I bought it, that motor died long ago, and I did have the current motor built by them, but at the time they didn't do installs, and I've never even been to lidio's shop, all my work since I had to get a new motor done by me in my apartment parking lot, or in the back of a budy of mine's shop when he has a space I can capture so try harder :lol:

[RacerX]

There's NO supercharger on it. :D Allright, I'm not going to be an ass myself, you misunderstood. That's all. I shouldn't be calling names, that's not cool.

[RR|Suki]

If you notice, that's why I said earlier if you think taking off all the cobra dressing then putting on all the Marauder stuff is faster you are nuts. If the thing comes with 0 brackets from the cobra then that is a different deal as far as cost if those need to be re bought anyway.
That aside, even without the blower I still maintain the notch needed would be done before the front cover swap would be done.

[RacerX]

Cool, two ways to go. Just personally don't like taking notches out of things if it's not absolutely necessary. Maybe I'm jumping to conlusions on how bad it is in my head. Do you happen to have pics of the job? Thanks. Only time we stop learning is when we're six feet under.

[RR|Suki]

Nope, guy down the way from me has his done that way, but I've never taken a picture of it, it's like 4 cuts. And surely if you don't have to cut, why bother, if it was a dressed motor though I'd never swap to the Marauder stuff, but I'm cheap. Seems like Reinheart (sp) had a picture of what it looks like in his section, not sure. I could take a picture in the spring but I'm sure I'll forget by then.

[RR|Suki]

Turns out there really was a pic of how it looks on here
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/ALTNOTCH.jpg

[RacerX]

Ahhh... Now it that the 03/04 Cobra oil cooler behind there? Cool. Yeah, definitely not full dress. That's why he's worried about it being a dog with 8:1cr and no sc.

[RR|Suki]

Ahhh... Now it that the 03/04 Cobra oil cooler behind there? Cool. Yeah, definitely not full dress. That's why he's worried about it being a dog with 8:1cr and no sc.

That's actually the main reason why I thought it must be complete

[TUXrauder]

guys, thanks so much for your enthusism....
Summary is, I am buying a Cobra Long Block, gonna put my stuff on it, swapping out Timing cover, valve covers, new brackets, hoping to not have to notch frame (I live in Country, 30 miles to closest shop unless pay more to come to me). Also need to purchase the flex plate.

Just an FYI, found a Ford reman. in KC, MO for $3,150 + $1,050 Core (prices jumped the first of year).
they also have MM reman motors for $2,650 + $1050 core....

Hoping to do this entire swap for under $5K (Labor is paid in the form of 12oz. at a time....

thanks again everybody,

roger

[Joe Walsh]

If you want to run a complete Cobra engine in, PM 'Tom Doan' on this site....he did a complete Cobra engine swap in his Marauder.
I know that he had posted a thread about his engine swap with photos.

.....just found the thread: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25258


BTW: I've driven it and it pulls like a freight train!

[Dennis Reinhart]

You'll want to go with a different front skirt, as the frame will require notching if you use the Cobra unit in a MM.

Better off using the MM skirt and getting tensioner and alternator mounting brackets from gortch.

Also, battery will need to be relocated from PS to DS, or else to the trunk.

If you're going to S/C the car, make sure you've got at least 39 lb injectors, and you'll have to upgrade your fuel pumping system with a minimum of a GT fuel pump and a KB Boost-a-pump.


I did not read he was doing a Eaton swap, I read cobra engine swap I am doing three of them right now, and you do not have to relocate the battery. It is very easy swap, the oil pan oil pick up tube front timing cover valve covers and add a 8 bolt flex plate 10.5 converter bolt patern turn off the knock sensors and hit the key.

[SC Cheesehead]

I did not read he was doing a Eaton swap, I read cobra engine swap I am doing three of them right now, and you do not have to relocate the battery. It is very easy swap, the oil pan oil pick up tube front timing cover valve covers and add a 8 bolt flex plate 10.5 converter bolt patern turn off the knock sensors and hit the key.

Good point, Dennis. Mentally, I just connected Cobra with S/C, but if it's just the block and N/A, wouldn't be an issue.

[ImpalaSlayer]

running a N/a cobra motor is going to suck huge anus. the already slow car will probably run like 17s

you want a blower with your cobra engine. you are on the right track, swap the timing covers, you will thank me (and others).

[TUXrauder]

ImpalaSlayer said:
running a N/a cobra motor is going to suck huge anus. the already slow car will probably run like 17s



I just need the "ImpalaSlayer Financing" department to finish with that SC install TODAY!!!!!
Please send me the proper Phone # with extensions please, and thank you...

Soon as can goes vrom (should have multiple "oo"s like Vrooooomm, but will after SC install) it goes to paint shop.
Hoping for a SC summer project, this project took 9 months to save for.

Again, thanks for everyones input,

Roger

[ImpalaSlayer]

ImpalaSlayer said:
running a N/a cobra motor is going to suck huge anus. the already slow car will probably run like 17s



I just need the "ImpalaSlayer Financing" department to finish with that SC install TODAY!!!!!
Please send me the proper Phone # with extensions please, and thank you...

Soon as can goes vrom (should have multiple "oo"s like Vrooooomm, but will after SC install) it goes to paint shop.
Hoping for a SC summer project, this project took 9 months to save for.

Again, thanks for everyones input,

Roger

the only good thing i can see about leaving the blower off for now and putting it on later is it will feel as though you are in a rocket vs a gocart

[TUXrauder]

the only good thing i can see about leaving the blower off for now and putting it on later is it will feel as though you are in a rocket vs a gocart

ImpalaSlayer.... Phone #???
Heck, just Pm me your Credit Card... done deal!:cool:

[ImpalaSlayer]

ImpalaSlayer.... Phone #???
Heck, just Pm me your Credit Card... done deal!:cool:

you annoy me enough here, not giving you my number! :P

[sailsmen]

The Cobra Long Block nor do other Long Blocks come with brackets or acceesories.

Pics of Cobra Long Block;
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40298&highlight=regeneration

[ImpalaSlayer]

The Cobra Long Block nor do other Long Blocks come with brackets or acceesories.

Pics of Cobra Long Block;
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40298&highlight=regeneration

LOL at noob me

[Dennis Reinhart]

welcome bud!:wave: ok your screen name is my catch phrase, and we have the same name! go figure


I am on my sixth one now it is very easy.