Trilogy twin screw

[DOOM]

Guys whay type of power is the trilogy twin screw really capable of putting down in our cars?

The reason for this question is simple. Most of the guys running the trilogy twin screws are still on their STOCK BLOCKS with the the exception of one person that i know of personally (2ndMarylandRebel) and i know he's making over 500RWHP on a 5.0 stroker.

Another member and myself were entertaining the idea. :hmmm: :D

Would 550 - 600 be a possibility?

Just dont know too much about this blower and trying to learn more! :help:



Please dont turn this thread into a trilogy vs. vortech vs. eaton swap debate! :argue:

[LANDY]

Rick n Miami is running A twin screw on a built motor running 10's.

[SC Cheesehead]

Jake, fire off a PM to frdwrnch, he was originally thinking about going the twin screw route on his first MM, and IIRC, he has some good info on the twin screws and their capability.

Just curious, have you considered a Whipple. FordNut's putting out 750 hp with his. Just sayin'.

[DOOM]

Thanks for the response Rex!

I wouldn't want to do the whipple simply because it would involve changing my hood! And I want to keep my SLEEPER look!

[MOTOWN]

isnt there a whipple that takes your trillogy intake, that fits under the stock hood?

[Spectragod]

Thanks for the response Rex!

I wouldn't want to do the whipple simply because it would involve changing my hood! And I want to keep my SLEEPER look!

+1, of course, but if you had a DTR, the hood wouldn't matter, because everyone knows a DTR is a dog, just sayin'.....

As far as power, my tuner left mine @ 472, he thought that was a "safe" tune, violent is more like it, but whatever. He said he could get much more out of it (how much, who knows?) before the thing took a catostrophic turn for the worse. I know this, at 6500 RPMS, it was still making power, it hadn't fallen off.

Ricks car on the other hand..... stroker motor, he is making huge power and it is still very streetable.

I say if you don't mind blowing one up, go for it, see what it will do on a stock block, I'll do a tad more when I change motors as I don't want to clean up the carnage. I personally think anything much past 500 is the limit on a stock motor.

[Mr. Man]

I thought you had a terminator block? So what are you worried about?:dunno:

[ImpalaSlayer]

isnt there a whipple that takes your trillogy intake, that fits under the stock hood?

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[jstevens]

Check out Mike Z and Dave P. They both have a regular set up but are turning some decent numbers.

Wait, I take that back. I believe Mike Z built his and Dave may be on the stock block.

[DOOM]

I thought you had a terminator block? So what are you worried about?:dunno:

I have an 04 cobra block! :up:

I'm not worried about anything!
Read my first post! I want to know what the blower is capable of making NOT if my car capable of handling it.

[DOOM]

I say if you don't mind blowing one up, go for it, see what it will do on a stock block, I'll do a tad more when I change motors as I don't want to clean up the carnage. I personally think anything much past 500 is the limit on a stock motor.

I have been running a built cobra block since sept. of 09!

The motor ISNT an issue for me.

Although according to some morons & haters here I blow up a motor EVERY YEAR!!! :shake: get a life losers! :flamer:

[NATEHAWK]

I just need a parts list and if there is any fab work etc to swap my trilogy eaton out with a twin screw plain and simple. Block is a aluminator so I'm good on that end.

[sailsmen]

"Lidio pulled 536.8 hp and 538.8 ft lbs out of mine on 8/11/2009. I had just installed the Lyshlom and had the snout modified to accept a cobra style pulley w/a 3.0 cog producing 13.7 lbs of boost. I was rather disappointed to find that on the second run it falls way off to only 513.5 hp with 534.7 ft lbs. __________________
302 c.i.Forged STROKER w/ported street heat heads by Lidio, Trilogy#156 w/a 2.8 pulley=14.5 lbs boost, MM Methanol #1, 6 gallon Meth fuel cell in trunk,SCT 90MM MAF, Powder Coated Timming Chain & Valve Covers, GT Coil Covers, Addco sway bars, 4:10 gear.Uranium Warp Drive Mosler Diff Girdle, Trans Rear Lube Mod, Aluminum Metal Mtrix DS. FMS Trans Pan K&N Aircharger,Garmin NUVI,Wheelan 75w Strobes.Wig-Wag Headlamps. Bradshaw Bros transmission ,Triple disc 3ooo stall. Super Duty trans cooler."

Several other have shown similar numbers.

[DOOM]

Block is a aluminator so I'm good on that end.

Tell em' 5 more times Nate!

That's about how many time it's going to take before they get it! :shake:

[twin03]

I have been running a built cobra block since sept. of 09!

The motor ISNT an issue for me.

Although according to some morons & haters here I blow up a motor EVERY YEAR!!! :shake: get a life losers! :flamer:
LOL...I heard that too from a little birdie..:burnout:

[SC Cheesehead]

LOL...I heard that too from a little birdie..:burnout:

Me, too, but I don't bug him about it much; you know how sensitive Doomie can be... ;)

[DOOM]

LOL...I heard that too from a little birdie..:burnout:

:lol: :high5:

Pinball & Jim Carey.

[DOOM]

Me, too, but I don't bug him about it much; you know how sensitive Doomie can be... ;)

Well Rex I guess you would be a lil sensative too if you had a few losers with no life starting rumors about you. Just haters that don't know s#¡t and can't stand to see my shine! :coolman:

I'll tell you the story in Kentucky over some ribs.

[SC Cheesehead]

Well Rex I guess you would be a lil sensative too if you had a few losers with no life starting rumors about you. Just haters that don't know s#¡t and can't stand to see my shine! :coolman:

I'll tell you the story in Kentucky over some ribs.

Okie dokie, I got one to share with you as well.

Hey, my wife wants to know if you've saved up enough money yet to fix your exhaust system... ;)

[RacerX]

I bet you could squeeze more out by porting/polishing the sc, tb, tb intake plenum. Porting the lower intake plenum. Port matching said lower intake and I do know that Trilogy superchargers have been Steg/Posi ported for more flow and lower temps to make good hp and tq gains. Dragon single blade TB?

[SC Cheesehead]

I bet you could squeeze more out by porting the lower intake plenum. Port matching said lower intake and I do know that Trilogy superchargers have been Steg/Posi ported for more flow and lower temps to make good hp and tq gains.

IIRC, Jake's already got his Trilogy ported.

[Drewstang]

Sounds like Doom's getting nervous.................. :D

[DOOM]

Hey, my wife wants to know if you've saved up enough money yet to fix your exhaust system... ;)

Whats wrong with it??? :dunno: :confused:




:D

[SC Cheesehead]

Whats wrong with it??? :dunno: :confused:




:D

Same question I asked, been hearing about it ever since...:(

Let's just say it's a bit loud for her tastes... ;)

[DOOM]

I bet you could squeeze more out by porting/polishing the sc, tb, tb intake plenum. Porting the lower intake plenum. Port matching said lower intake and I do know that Trilogy superchargers have been Steg/Posi ported for more flow and lower temps to make good hp and tq gains. Dragon single blade TB?

Read post #1 bro.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66712&highlight=500+club




Maybe i should post this 5 more times. :hmmm:

[RacerX]

Bet it isn't as loud as mine was when I took a trip around my neighborhood with the new engine... with frpp shorties... and.... nothing else! :D I realized recently that this little trip blew all the shielding off the firewall!!!

[SC Cheesehead]

Bet it isn't as loud as mine was when I took a trip around my neighborhood with the new engine... with frpp shorties... and.... nothing else! :D I realized recently that this little trip blew all the shielding off the firewall!!!


Don't think my wife you like your car either... ;) -----> :D

[DOOM]

Sounds like Doom's getting nervous.................. :D

NEVER!!!
Youre the one playing catch up! :D :burnout:

[SC Cheesehead]

Sounds like Doom's getting nervous.................. :D


NEVER!!!
Youre the one playing catch up! :D :burnout:

Oh, yeah, I heard Pops is getting ready to roll out the GM. Connect the dots and it all starts making sense... http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSm9_KQ9ouLZ YAsVHSTzc-noTi3_CUoORXwvm6HvOdnXPRQ-63K&t=1

[sailsmen]

Read post #1 bro.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66712&highlight=500+club




Maybe i should post this 5 more times. :hmmm:

Please put your mods in your sig and you won't have to post it 5 more times.;)

[RacerX]

Hey! Ask TAF!!!!! :D


http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/TAFGrand/Trilogy%20Twin%20Screw%20004/DSC05324.jpg?

[DOOM]

Hey! Ask TAF!!!!! :D


http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/TAFGrand/Trilogy%20Twin%20Screw%20004/DSC05324.jpg?

That's beautiful!

Hopefully he will chime in!

[Mr. Man]

I only asked because in your first post you went to the trouble of asking about the stock block. Don't yell at me because your knickers are in a wad:shake::razz:

[DOOM]

I only asked because in your first post you went to the trouble of asking about the stock block. Don't yell at me because your knickers are in a wad:shake::razz:

No worries muffin man. :beer:
No yelling was directed your way.

The reason I mentioned "stock block" is because the majority of the guys running trilogy twin screws are still on stock motors. And you can't see the full potential of this blower that way!

That's why I asked if 550 - 600 was a realistic number with this blower. (obviously not on a stock motor).

[justbob]

It really shouldn't be too hard to compute. Whats the liter size of the Lysholm?

I never could understand the reasoning behind going with the Lysholm on a stock block without planning on a forged motor myself.:dunno: I mean really, I still have two upper pullies I could drop, a lower pulley I could add and headers as well? Thats WAY more than enough to window the block..

Sorry for the hijack Jake.:)

[DOOM]

I agree with you bob!

That's the reason for the thread!

Bottom line: If I slap this sum b¡tc# on my car what type of power is it gonna make?

TAF is no longer here and 2ndMarylandRebel doesn't post up much at all anymore. So I'm just looking fo some info.

[Blown3.8]

Its fairly easy to make 600 with a 2.3 whipple. Problem with the trilogy kit is the blower inlet. But I would think 550 should be obtainable. Rick in Miami has a recent post talking about the inlet restrictions.

[NATEHAWK]

The trilogy inlet is choking the entire system. Eaton swaps actually offer alot more flexibility for future blower upgrades.

[kariamack]

I thought Trilogy doesn't make a twin screw anymore ?

[DOOM]

I thought Trilogy doesn't make a twin screw anymore ?

Doesn't mean you still can't get one. ;)

[Spectragod]

It really shouldn't be too hard to compute. Whats the liter size of the Lysholm?

I never could understand the reasoning behind going with the Lysholm on a stock block without planning on a forged motor myself.:dunno: I mean really, I still have two upper pullies I could drop, a lower pulley I could add and headers as well? Thats WAY more than enough to window the block..

Sorry for the hijack Jake.:)

The Lysholm is a 2.3.

As far as putting one on a stock block, when I bought mine, the money was almost the same, about 1k difference, it would have cost way more than that to bump up to a TS after the fact.

Forged motor..... in the works, I guess I'll see what kind of #'s I get out of mine. No matter the cost, it is still cheaper than hookers and cocaine. :eek: :lol:

[2,4shofast]

Doesn't mean you still can't get one. ;)

Damn, I was hoping they were available again! :beer:

[Mr. Man]

Doomie I don't know if this info helps or not but it tells about putting a twin on a '03-4 Cobra block:)

http://www.lysholm.us/cobra_03-04.php

[BODYMAN]

well I beleive the trilogy Twin Screw is a 2.3 ltre (correct me if Iam wrong) Iam putting a Whipple 2.3 in my 04 Sb with a Alluminator and expecting to see 5's to the rear and with a alluminator. Zack and Fordnut are both in the 7's with a 3.4 ltre Whipple but wont fit under OE hood hence why Iam doing a 2.3 around 17-18lbs boost. For sure a big diff between that and stage5 ported Eaton. Although I have always been curious what pulley the Trilogy Twin is running to keep boost to a minimum. I know on MMC Jerry was Talking about it and said they had to de-tune the TS for stock MM's

[CBT]

So it looks like you can still order one.

[BODYMAN]

The trilogy inlet is choking the entire system. Eaton swaps actually offer alot more flexibility for future blower upgrades.

+1 for sure the #1 reason Iam doing a Eaton for the future flexibility to change to diff blower. It is what intrigued me about the Eaton swaps (options,options,options) When I started to collect the parts for the swap I came accross a helluva deal on a 2.3 Whipple and was able to still use a bunch of stuff I had already accuired.

[stryker]

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[SC Cheesehead]

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What is your question?

[BODYMAN]

I was gonna ask the same Rex?

[DOOM]

well I beleive the trilogy Twin Screw is a 2.3 ltre (correct me if Iam wrong) Iam putting a Whipple 2.3 in my 04 Sb with a Alluminator and expecting to see 5's to the rear and with a alluminator. Zack and Fordnut are both in the 7's with a 3.4 ltre Whipple but wont fit under OE hood hence why Iam doing a 2.3 around 17-18lbs boost. For sure a big diff between that and stage5 ported Eaton. Although I have always been curious what pulley the Trilogy Twin is running to keep boost to a minimum. I know on MMC Jerry was Talking about it and said they had to de-tune the TS for stock MM's

Im already seeing 5's with the setup i have now.

I thought that even with the 2.3 whipple you had to change the stock hood? :confused:

[SC Cheesehead]

Im already seeing 5's with the setup i have now.

I thought that even with the 2.3 whipple you had to change the stock hood? :confused:

Don't think so. PM FordNut, he's got one on his car, and I don't think he's had to chnge his hood. Also he's pushing 750 hp to the rear wheels; heck you may even beat Pops with a set-up like that... ;)

[LANDY]

Brian has a 3.4 liter and he has a cowl hood

[Pops]

Don't think so. PM FordNut, he's got one on his car, and I don't think he's had to chnge his hood. Also he's pushing 750 hp to the rear wheels; heck you may even beat Pops with a set-up like that... ;)

DId I hear my name!:) I don,t think so!!!!!!:beer:

[BODYMAN]

Yep anything over a 2.3 and the hood goes I was gonna go with a 3.4 but opted out as I wanted to stay oem on the hood.

[BODYMAN]

Im already seeing 5's with the setup i have now.

I thought that even with the 2.3 whipple you had to change the stock hood? :confused:

Doom, in talking with Zack today he even said somewere around 5ish and I plan to run 17-18lbs boost on my 2.3 but that is with a lower comp Alluminator 8.5:1 not a 10.1 motor. Ill see for sure in the next month. You have a Cobra Lwr so youre 8:5.1 to correct? Also with Fordnut I beleive he is around 9.2 on comp thats gonna make a diff. Either way the Twin Screw is gonna work more efficiently I would think less heat build up to?

[SC Cheesehead]

DId I hear my name!:) I don,t think so!!!!!!:beer:

The silence is deafening, Pops. Either Doomie didn't hear you, or he's just plain skeered to speak up... ;)

[Pops]

He said he wanted to keep this thread on track Rex!:) You have not seen the PMs I have sent him!;) He was laughing at them!!!!!:bigcry:

[DOOM]

Doom, in talking with Zack today he even said somewere around 5ish and I plan to run 17-18lbs boost on my 2.3 but that is with a lower comp Alluminator 8.5:1 not a 10.1 motor. Ill see for sure in the next month. You have a Cobra Lwr so youre 8:5.1 to correct? Also with Fordnut I beleive he is around 9.2 on comp thats gonna make a diff. Either way the Twin Screw is gonna work more efficiently I would think less heat build up to?

Thank you! This is very good info!

I didn't know that the 2.3 whipple would fit on our cars without hood modification, nor did I know that the twin screw was a 2.3.

So is the main diffrences between the twin screw & whipple is just the inlet setups?

Oh and yes I'm on a 8:5.1 comp cobra block. :D

[Blown3.8]

I believe the trilogy is using the older rotor/case? setup since its a Lysholm. If you got a gen 2 whipple it will make more boost with the same pulley size. Both are 2.3l blowers, Whipple updated the rotors/case? in the gen 2, aka AX series.

There's a million of them FS on the mustang boards since everyone wants the latest and greatest 2.9 whipple.

[DOOM]

Thanks chris!

[SC Cheesehead]

I believe the trilogy is using the older rotor/case? setup since its a Lysholm. If you got a gen 2 whipple it will make more boost with the same pulley size. Both are 2.3l blowers, Whipple updated the rotors/case? in the gen 2, aka AX series.

There's a million of them FS on the mustang boards since everyone wants the latest and greatest 2.9 whipple.

Chris, the Whipple is PS inlet, correct? If so, Jake would have to do a component relocation much like that required for an Eaton swap, wouldn't he?

[DOOM]

Chris, the Whipple is PS inlet, correct? If so, Jake would have to do a component relocation much like that required for an Eaton swap, wouldn't he?

Thats the other side of the coin rex!

Would it be cheaper to get the blower from LYSHOLM and go from there or get the whipple and go that route?

Question:
If you already have a trilogy kit and decide to go "LYSHOLM" twin screw what exactly is involved? I was told that its not as simple as just switching blowers. So can anyone who has done a twin screw upgrade from the standard trilogy please chime in on what exactly is involved with this upgrade. Or anyone eles who knows. Is there anything else that needs to be changed besides the blower??? :help:

[fastblackmerc]

Thats the other side of the coin rex!

Would it be cheaper to get the blower from LYSHOLM and go from there or get the whipple and go that route?

Question:
If you already have a trilogy kit and decide to go "LYSHOLM" twin screw what exactly is involved? I was told that its not as simple as just switching blowers. So can anyone who has done a twin screw upgrade from the standard trilogy please chime in on what exactly is involved with this upgrade. Or anyone eles who knows. Is there anything else that needs to be changed besides the blower??? :help:

Dennis would know.... not the DR Dennis.

[Blown3.8]

The 180* elbow that connects the flat inlet with "trilogy motorsports" to the back of the blower is different. I believe the inlet on the lysholm and the whipple is the same but don't quote me on that.

Yes with the mustang whipple you will have to go to the pass side, which works out anyway cause the wiper cowl juts out on the driver side.

You will have to figure something out for the EGR valve on the mustang setup if you want/need to keep it. Don't think this is a problem for you Jake.

Easiest thing to do is get the mustang kit and the metco lower and have at it.

[DOOM]

You will have to figure something out for the EGR valve on the mustang setup if you want/need to keep it. Don't think this is a problem for you Jake.

Whats an EGR valve? ;) :D

[BODYMAN]

EGR-Exhaust gas recirculation purpose lowering emmisions;). Heck Doom sell the Trilogy kit and do a Eaton swap with a 2.3 Whipple like Blown3.8 stated they are always for sale on Stang forums. I dont know that muchabout Trilogys but what is the mounting on the Lwr Intake meaning were blower goes is it the same as another Ford product or is it fabbed just for a MM? Ive I have always assumed there wasnt another blower that could be swapped. Never asked

[BODYMAN]

Do they Chrome Whipples?? HE,HE

[BODYMAN]

Thank you! This is very good info!

I didn't know that the 2.3 whipple would fit on our cars without hood modification, nor did I know that the twin screw was a 2.3.

So is the main diffrences between the twin screw & whipple is just the inlet setups?

Oh and yes I'm on a 8:5.1 comp cobra block. :D


No prob, yeah the compression gets you. I should have some solid #'s in next month or so. I plan on running 18lbs boost with a 8.5:1 Alluminator be curious to see what she lays down. I see others with with same comp & boost and it seemed to me they were all around 550-580. Seems to me to the Whipple has a solider A/F when making power VS a Eaton overall

[Blown3.8]

The trilogy blower plate is custom for the marauder. It sets the blower lower and back for hood clearance. It bolts right to a cobra lower intake all you have to do is grind the 2 nipples on the left rear of the lower intake.

If you want a mustang blower with the trilogy stuff you should also get a new IC from a cobra as the trilogy one has extra holes that need to be sealed. Just sell the trilogy IC with the eaton.

[sailsmen]

Why did Trilogy stop selling the Twin Screw???:confused:

[Bradley G]

small market

Why did Trilogy stop selling the Twin Screw???:confused:

[Spectragod]

The trilogy blower plate is custom for the marauder. It sets the blower lower and back for hood clearance. It bolts right to a cobra lower intake all you have to do is grind the 2 nipples on the left rear of the lower intake.

If you want a mustang blower with the trilogy stuff you should also get a new IC from a cobra as the trilogy one has extra holes that need to be sealed. Just sell the trilogy IC with the eaton.

Ding ding ding, there's the answer. I am not 100% sure on the IC, but the blower plates are for certain different.

FWIW, I was on the phone with Lidio today, we had the forged motor chat and what he has put together with recent TS's, forged stroker motor and Crower cams, most have been running low boost 12-13lbs and hit 580. As with anything, every motor will tune different and have different results.

Since mine doesn't hit the track...... I guess it doesn't much matter, I just want power and no extra windows in my block. It does give me an additional option as opposed to a Aluminator.

[LANDY]

here you go Doomie
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q350/wohpony/photo4.jpg

[SC Cheesehead]

here you go Doomie
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q350/wohpony/photo4.jpg

:drool:
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[DOOM]

here you go Doomie
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q350/wohpony/photo4.jpg

BOING!!!! :banana2:


But the inlet is on the wrong side! :depress:

[NATEHAWK]

I'm really thinking about pulling the trigger on this. Since my battery is in the trunk that's no issue for me as well Aluminator already in. I already have a 4# crank pulley setup. So all I would need is the 2.3 whipple, Cobra Inner Cooler yes or no?, Plug the EGR, accelerator cable brackets, cobra inlet and intake, and a good tune? Anything else????

[BODYMAN]

The trilogy blower plate is custom for the marauder. It sets the blower lower and back for hood clearance. It bolts right to a cobra lower intake all you have to do is grind the 2 nipples on the left rear of the lower intake.

If you want a mustang blower with the trilogy stuff you should also get a new IC from a cobra as the trilogy one has extra holes that need to be sealed. Just sell the trilogy IC with the eaton.

Now I Know Thanks Chris! So upgrading the blower isnt really a big deal. I would think its a 03 Intercooler if it rests in a Cobra lower

[Blown3.8]

Get this from a 03-04 cobra, blower with plate, IC, You can get the lower intake too then you can use the nice ford gasket to seal the blower to the lower and not fool with silicone. Then sell your trilogy blower and plate, IC and lower intake and the crank pulley.

You will also need the metco hub and ring for a cobra.

[hotford]

jerry modifies the base plate for the 2.3 as he does for his Magnuson 1.7 that is used on the trilogy kits.ask lidio he know the difference as he's install several kits and may know what changes are needed.But this all may be pointless unless jerry gives some info on what is modified to run the twin screw.too bad there aren't still avalable....(Come on jerry build it and they will come....)DOOM if ya can get a 2.3 twin screw you"ll be one more step in the right direction.

[NATEHAWK]

Get this from a 03-04 cobra, blower with plate, IC, You can get the lower intake too then you can use the nice ford gasket to seal the blower to the lower and not fool with silicone. Then sell your trilogy blower and plate, IC and lower intake and the crank pulley.

You will also need the metco hub and ring for a cobra.

This all does sound good....I wonder on my behalf will it be really worth it..Im just bout over 500hp now and i have a 3.0 upper and 4lb lower..if i go to a 2.8 upper that will probably have me well into the 500's

[Blown3.8]

This all does sound good....I wonder on my behalf will it be really worth it..Im just bout over 500hp now and i have a 3.0 upper and 4lb lower..if i go to a 2.8 upper that will probably have me well into the 500's

But you could have 600 with a whipple.;)

How much boost are you making now? You may have to add more octane if you add too much more boost on your high comp.

[NATEHAWK]

But you could have 600 with a whipple.;)

How much boost are you making now? You may have to add more octane if you add too much more boost on your high comp.

I'm at about 17lbs of boost. Im thinking about running my methanol injection too but just not tune for it so if I run low I'm not screwed. Just use it to take advantage of the cooler intake air temps which should render more HP. Where I stand now not too much more I can do but upgrade the blower.

[sailsmen]

W/ Meth you have to tune for it or your car will bog due to running too rich. Meth adds "fuel". Meth lowers temps and raises octane.
Just make sure your IAT is after the Meth or your PCM will not see the lower temps.

[BODYMAN]

W/ Meth you have to tune for it or your car will bog due to running too rich. Meth adds "fuel". Meth lowers temps and raises octane.
Just make sure your IAT is after the Meth or your PCM will not see the lower temps.

:beatnik: A definite I myself aint doing meth inj just plan on running a KC(killer Chiller) kit to lwr IT's. I got friends with Cobra's & Lightning's using it with great results!!

[N40GL]

... with the the exception of one person that i know of personally ...

Add me to the data bank:

Cobra Long Block* + Marauder Heads + Vortech T2SQ@14PSI + Art Carr Street/Strip Extreme + 4.10's = 476 RWHP (on Dennis' dyno)

* from the FoMoCo Motorsports Catalog, circa 2005/2006

[NATEHAWK]

W/ Meth you have to tune for it or your car will bog due to running too rich. Meth adds "fuel". Meth lowers temps and raises octane.
Just make sure your IAT is after the Meth or your PCM will not see the lower temps.

I have the IAT2 installed on the plate so that part I'm good with. But like Blown3.8 said I have a 10:1 compression aluminator. May have to run higher octane to offset the higher boost levels. We will see. I'm going in for a retune in a week or so.

I won't use the meth cause I never wanna be in a situation where I'm all out and my car go lean looking for boost juice lol.

[sailsmen]

You would have to really ignore things to run out of Meth. I use my WW Tank with a small jet. Only my race tune uses Meth.

For my set up having Meth on a street tune does not make any sense. WOT in first at any speed just spins the tires.

[jflave]

But you could have 600 with a whipple.;)

How much boost are you making now? You may have to add more octane if you add too much more boost on your high comp.
Add more octane, are you talking about 100*/103* or more than that??:dunno: Thanks

[LANDY]

I use 110 octane when I to to the Track. It might be overkill but its also peace of mind

[BODYMAN]

I'm at about 17lbs of boost. Im thinking about running my methanol injection too but just not tune for it so if I run low I'm not screwed. Just use it to take advantage of the cooler intake air temps which should render more HP. Where I stand now not too much more I can do but upgrade the blower.

Meth is good for a rce tune but like Sailsmen said street I wouldnt run it. so nate youre on a 10.1 motor (forged) running 17lbs now? I dont like pushing things to a extreme. someone correct me if Iam wrong upgrading to a Whipple probably wont render alot more HP but blower not working as hard should make for less heat and on youre dyno how does youre A/F look? seems to me the eatons get very turbelent at high boost were the Whipple should climb alot smoother on A/F hence easier on the motor. I got a good friend w/ a 04 Termi W/stage5 port and seeing his dyno compared to say fordnut's he posted there is a big diff A/F brians climbs smooth were my buddys it is tubulent & choppy on the graph at higher R's

[Blown3.8]

NAte, If you are running around with that much boost and no meth, If you tuned for the meth you should be over 500. Your timing has to be low with that boost and no race fuel or meth.

The bigger blower will make more HP no doubt. They flow more air at equal boost. I had a m90 on my tbird spinning the crap out of it at 19psi and could run 12.0's. I swaped a 2.0 AR(same thing as a KB) pushing the same 19psi untuned in warmer weather and ran 11.7's tuned it up some, added more boost 24psi, cause it was capable and ran quite a bit faster.

JFlave, yeah like race gas all the time. But if he is not on the meth yet he should be ok adding boost and just turning on the meth. I thought Nate was already running the meth all the time, I would with that boost and compression.

The nice thing about meth is you only use it when you need it ie, in boost. I have the 7qt meth tank in my trunk and it lasts forever. I've had a 5 gallon tank of meth I bought at the race track 3 years ago, prolly still has a gallon and half left in it. I don't run the car on the street tho, but even then Most the time you're spinning tires if the meth is coming on.

With my eaton my IATs would be 150's with the meth at 19psi, with my 2.0 AR at 24psi and meth they are 135. I run race fuel and meth at the 24psi boost level on my 8.5:1 motor, But my heads are no where near what the 4v'ers are.

If you want to know what my car ran last year I'll let you do some digging. It won't be hard.:)

[BODYMAN]

Chris I agree he must not have much timing considering boost # & comp ratio. What if he added a Whipple and swapped over to E-85 Instead of meth? Seems to me it would be close on octane# that way? I personally pondered for a while to go 10.1 or 8:5.1 chose the 8:5.1 due to this and other reasons like say bad gas etc. I also wanted the ability to take my car on road trips and west of KC,MO you can only get 91. I plan to run 18lbs boost but know Iam going to loose some HP with the lower comp. Nothing worse then having 7-8k in a build and wathcing it go boom.

[Blown3.8]

E85 would be sweet. The stang guys are making great numbers on it. Takes a few more bucks to go that way. More pumps and bigger injectors.

I think maybe 2 of them new aero 340 pumps and 2 or duel BAP would be enough pump then 80#injectors if not alittle bigger.

[Blown3.8]

I'm planning on jumping on the popcorn wagon.

[joemama]

I got 519rwhp and 485tq on a TS with a Snow performance methanol injection kit. JJ (Joseph Jones) at Woodbine Performance dyno tuned mine. He is 'The Man' when it comes to 4.6 tuning. Owns a world record on a stock NA Mustang 302 block (10.28!).

I have fully stock internals too....111,000 on the clock. :banana2:

[ctrlraven]

I got 519rwhp and 485tq on a TS with a Snow performance methanol injection kit. JJ (Joseph Jones) at Woodbine Performance dyno tuned mine. He is 'The Man' when it comes to 4.6 tuning. Owns a world record on a stock NA Mustang 302 block (10.28!).

I have fully stock internals too....111,000 on the clock. :banana2:
I will be using JJ to tune my car once my new motor is in. Did you just have a dyno tune or a full complete dyno tune with trans tuning as well?

[Jokerzl]

I got 519rwhp and 485tq on a TS with a Snow performance methanol injection kit. JJ (Joseph Jones) at Woodbine Performance dyno tuned mine. He is 'The Man' when it comes to 4.6 tuning. Owns a world record on a stock NA Mustang 302 block (10.28!).

I have fully stock internals too....111,000 on the clock. :banana2:


Jj is my man


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[Guittard22]

I have an 04 cobra block! :up:

I'm not worried about anything!
Read my first post! I want to know what the blower is capable of making NOT if my car capable of handling it.



Jake I remember way back when on reading a few posts that another member was thinking about selling you his twin screw blower ? Did that not happen or he changed his mind ? ... As I recall I still called 1st dibs on your blower if you sold it !

Good to see you post up again it's been to dam long !

[RubberCtyRauder]

Jake I remember way back when on reading a few posts that another member was thinking about selling you his twin screw blower ? Did that not happen or he changed his mind ? ... As I recall I still called 1st dibs on your blower if you sold it !

Good to see you post up again it's been to dam long !


That post was Feb.2011 FYI. I beleive Jake is still MIA from the MM.net forums, although I suspect he stops in and reads them.