3500 TC to much?

[DTRMiguel]

Hey guys i have a 3500 triple disk stall convertor would this be to much for a daily driver? If so what could the side affects be?

[fastblackmerc]

I have one from PI and have been using it in my DD for over 5 years. The only down side is a small amount of HP loss, otherwise drives great!

[DTRMiguel]

So the purpose of the TC is to get you out of the hole better??? I have 410 already :confused:


I have one from PI and have been using it in my DD for over 5 years. The only down side is a small amount of HP loss, otherwise drives great!

[Pops]

You have it right Mike.

[DTRMiguel]

So will i loose power throught the entire power band or just on the top end?


You have it right Mike.

[babbage]

So the purpose of the TC is to get you out of the hole better??? I have 410 already :confused:

Yes. That's why I went with 3.73 -- I have a high stall converter.

I think 3500 is a bit high. The TC will stall higher when you engine makes more power - I'd go with 3000~3200 - It's a personal preference.

You should also get a trans oil cooler with aftermarket TC - they make a lot more heat.

[ImpalaSlayer]

put it this way, i dont like how mine drove and neither does the new owner. takes more throttle to get the car to move

[2,4shofast]

put it this way, i dont like how mine drove and neither does the new owner. takes more throttle to get the car to move

Do you think a 2700 would work better or still too much?

[ImpalaSlayer]

Do you think a 2700 would work better or still too much?

im really not sure. i liked Rexs car with the stock stall and boost, was really a nice driving car

[2,4shofast]

im really not sure. i liked Rexs car with the stock stall and boost, was really a nice driving car

Good info thanks bro.

[SC Cheesehead]

im really not sure. i liked Rexs car with the stock stall and boost, was really a nice driving car

Rex likes his car with the stock stall and boost as well... ;) -----> :D

Very responsive the way it's set up, I love it! :up:

[2,4shofast]

Are you running 4.10's? How much boost, 12-15?

[BODYMAN]

They can tune it with the 3500 for fairly good driveability but it is a tad high but should work OK. For sure get a trans cooler as that stall is gonna heat the tranny up quick. I have a 3200 in my 03 and with the tune it has You dont harldy notice it. But like Dave said it does seem to take a little more throttle to get the beast moving

[BODYMAN]

im really not sure. i liked Rexs car with the stock stall and boost, was really a nice driving car

Iam with you on this. I like the way the stock performs. I to am going to leave stock size on stall when we do my 04. But when the tranny implodes Ill probably go to a aftermarket but same size as OE

[LANDY]

For n/a and centrifugal the 3500 is perfect, its all in the tune.
For a roots style blower a 2400 stall tripple disc would be ideal.

[HoleyMoley64]

3500 will be a bit much for a stock car. somewhere nearer 3000 would be a nice addition to your car, especially in combination with the added gearing. Unless you talk to the company who made it to find out what it will stall at with your power level you wont know exactly what you have. In case you didnt know, converters do not stall at the 'advertised' speed. They stall in a range, all based on engine torque production and the resistance of the car to motion (weight, gearing, rolling resistance, etc).

[CameronVic]

I have a 3500 Edge Racing converter. $650 delivered to my front door. The only thing I noticed, (besides being the the 13's NA and 12's on the spray) was about a 1.7 loss in mpg. I went from 17.9 Mixed city and highway to 16.1. And like Babbs said, you should get an additional trans cool.

[cougar9150]

I DD mine everyday 32 miles each way in city traffic. Really it's in the tune on how your car will react. Mine idles fine off the line, gets up and goes like stock or fully unleashes the fury when I floor the go pedal to the point where I can almost spin it into 3rd.

On my first 2 tunes I felt the same way others have described above. Once I finally broke down and went to a local tuner for a Dyno session I was much happier. We worked out the idle RPMs, up/down shift points, and TC lockup to the point where it's great now and I love it. Feels nearly stock until I get into it.... but I am currently N/A going Centri so it work with the setup I do and will have in the future. If I was going Roots style I would stay below 3k and stick to 3.55s or 3.73s.

Still have some minor tweaks needed to make me 100% happy but is 1000% better than it was prior to the tune session at Ramsey's. Wouldn't go back to stock if someone gave me a TC and wanted to pay for the install...

[vkirkend]

put it this way, i dont like how mine drove and neither does the new owner. takes more throttle to get the car to move

What he said..... Mine will be coming out in the future. You don't need it with a roots type blower. I would recommend a lower stall with a centri or N/A....

[HoleyMoley64]

I have a 3500 Edge Racing converter. $650 delivered to my front door. The only thing I noticed, (besides being the the 13's NA and 12's on the spray) was about a 1.7 loss in mpg. I went from 17.9 Mixed city and highway to 16.1. And like Babbs said, you should get an additional trans cool.

Have any highway mpg numbers before and after?


We worked out the ... TC lockup to the point where it's great now..

Mind sharing what parameters the TC lockup is engaged?

[ntd]

My car is my summer DD I have a Circle D 3500 stall(at my power level it does stall right @3500) I think it is perfect for where I'm at now with my setup. When the new engine goes in I will send it out to have the stall lowered. For the part throttle lazyness that can be corrected in the tune by locking the converter sooner

[BODYMAN]

For n/a and centrifugal the 3500 is perfect, its all in the tune.
For a roots style blower a 2400 stall tripple disc would be ideal.


Agree 100%
:beer:

[cougar9150]

Mind sharing what parameters the TC lockup is engaged?

Going back there in a couple weeks for another session and some more tweaks. I'll share the final setup once I get it done.

Currently have no lockup in 3rd (worse gas mileage) and believe it locks up in 4th around 2200 rpm or 45mph. Biggest change I noticed was from the TC unlock and downshift points. That made the biggest difference in the way the car drove and it's mannerisms around town. No more of the surging of the TC locking up then unlocking for 2 second and locking back up again. I think I have it remian locked until I get down to 35 mph, then every downshift about 8-12 mph below the set upshift point.

Like I said I'll get and share the info when I go back in a few weeks for our next session.

[ctrlraven]

I've had mine in with 3.55 gears and 4.10 NA for over 80k miles now. It does take a little more to get going.

If you put a PC on when you hit full boost it's going to feel like a good swift kick in the azz.

PI's converter has a 2.3x torque multiplier and stock is 1.9x. This the torque multiplier increase some have said it felt like a good 50 hp increase. I knocked almost half a second of my 1/4 mile so it must do something good. I daily drove mine for 4 years, 2-3 I had the converter installed. If tuned properly the only problem I noticed was not staying out of the throttle on the highway. lol

[BODYMAN]

I agree Bird Man dont wanaa hit right at full boost just slightly under.

[Motorhead350]

For n/a and centrifugal the 3500 is perfect, its all in the tune.

Maybe that's why I like it so much. I never got why some dislike it. I love it! 1/4 throttle and the tires are smokin'!

[sailsmen]

N/A I had 3,000 for 20K and S/C for 100K. With the correct tune you will not notice it except in reverse and I did not by a car to go in reverse.

[Motorhead350]

I did not by a car to go in reverse.

I do. I need it more than the power.

:lol:

[CameronVic]

Have any highway mpg numbers before and after?



Mind sharing what parameters the TC lockup is engaged?I get the same as before because it's a locking TC. Just under 21 MPG at 79 MPH. I don't know what I get at any other MPH on the highway.... because I only do 79 MPH.

Idk, whatever the tuner did. lol. I know it will stay unlocked through 1st and 2nd. Once it hits third, if I get all the way off it, it will lock, then stay locked as long as I lightly get back into it.

[napolitano]

Bottom line, stall will drive like@%&#$ if you have the wrong tune. Right tune right stall, drives good.