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Dennis Reinhart
03-04-2011, 03:42 PM
Well Frank and his friend flew in to JIA yesterday we picked them up at the air port and he came here to pick his 04 Silver Birch up, we installed a Novi 1200 with a 3.3 pulley LTH Metco C/A Dynotech D/S Autometer Gages, and Ford Motor sport 4:10. He left here and will be a Bradenton this weekend.
Hi Dennis, The trip from your shop to northport went great, no issues,she runs smooth,first tank of gas was 19.3 miles per gallon.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/frank04a.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/franks04.jpg
We replaced the bad lug nut after the photo
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/franks04b.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/franks04d.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299278368-franks04e.jpg
Below is the new Aeromotive pump we will be including in all my kits as soon as they are available three of these can sustain a 1000 RWHP, I will be doing testing on these for Aeromotive.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/aeromotive.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/pumpinstalled.jpg
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MOTOWN
03-04-2011, 03:54 PM
nice mods, great looking silver birch:beer:
TooManyFords
03-05-2011, 04:48 AM
Just a suggestion. Lose the Speed part of the graph. nobody cares about this in a dyno pull. Expand the HP/Torque section to fill the gap. And where is the AFR graph?
Dennis Reinhart
03-05-2011, 05:11 AM
Just a suggestion. Lose the Speed part of the graph. nobody cares about this in a dyno pull. Expand the HP/Torque section to fill the gap. And where is the AFR graph?
Your up early, he has the sheet with the AF, it was a perfect 11.5 he wanted to see speed. and as you can see this pull is SAE, and what people care to see is RWHP and RWT, and I normally post AF
(Just a sugestion) it would be nice to see a track time for your car??
Hope to see you in Louisville and have a great weekend.:banana:
babbage
03-05-2011, 05:15 AM
Great job Dennis. New pump sounds impressive and it's a good brand name.
TooManyFords
03-05-2011, 05:17 AM
Your up early, he has the sheet with the AF, it was a perfect 11.5 he wanted to see speed. and as you can see this pull is SAE, and what people care to see is RWHP and RWT, and I normally post AF
(Just a sugestion) it would be nice to see a track time for your car??
Hope to see you in Louisville and have a great weekend.:banana:
Yeah, I've been getting up at 3:30am for the last 5 or so months working on the new software for a company. Feast or famine. As for the track time, I totally agree. Should have it in Louisville.
Cheers!
69marquis conv
03-05-2011, 07:19 AM
Very nice, but what happened to the original grille?
With that new pump do you still have to use the Boost A Pump; also would that pump eliminate the twin GT40 pumps that you have previously used.
Dennis Reinhart
03-05-2011, 07:57 AM
With that new pump do you still have to use the Boost A Pump; also would that pump eliminate the twin GT40 pumps that you have previously used.
I will know this next week after data logging and testing this in Demeco's Marauder, with dual pumps maybe not if you run a external relay and a larger guage wire from the battery to the FPDM
Dennis Reinhart
03-05-2011, 08:02 AM
Very nice, but what happened to the original grille?
I have no idea if this what he likes then thats fine with me.
Dennis youre on a roll!
What are the other 4 cars???
LANDY
03-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Looks good, I saw that car on the way south in 441 the other day.
Dennis, when you find out about the pump can you please make your own thread so we can take advantage without hijacking the thread.
Good for him about the 3.33 pulley.
Dennis Reinhart
03-05-2011, 02:46 PM
I have taken the V3 W/A off of Allan's car converted it to A/A and I am installing it with Metcos Kooks, Aeroforce Gauge and Boost Gauge new OP Gauge, 410's in Demecos's car and this car has the new Aeromotive pump in it. I will have data on this later this week.
Here is some shots on how to install the EV 111 PCV this is how it should be done on the Pro chargers as well.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299360610-dom.jpg
Here is where the EV111 goes, I use Fuel line and run it in the back to the brass adapter located on the intake, be sure to clamp all hoses
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299360754-domev111installed.jpg
Here is the Brass adapter
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299361507-dompsvbushing.jpg
Then I use 5/8 heater hose connect it to the OEM PCV this goes to the 4" intake pipe this keeps the PCV system intact and it functions as it was designed to.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299361573-domstockpsv.jpg
F8LBITEva
03-05-2011, 03:30 PM
sweet! Enjoy the new power bud.
Dennis Reinhart
03-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Here is Demeco's 03A it has 84 K on the clock, so I installed a Vortech V2 with a 3.6 pulley converted it to air to air, this is the test car for the new Aeromotive fuel pump, added the Ranger fuel filter, we are installing a Aeroforce guage and boost Guage and real oil pressure guage, 4:10 gears, deep trans pan, Metco cont arms, and YES kooks LTH, today I dynoed the car with stock exhaust so I can truly document before and after results, then we all can see how headers effects AF as well as RWHP.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299540668-demeco.jpg
It made 391/357 SAE at 9PSI on stock exhaust. Here is the dyno sheet and the AF has room to go leaner, his Maf counts are at 950 so he is close to pegging the Maf, so if it makes more I will have to add a Maf extender or go to a B3000 Maf.
Here is the Data log, if you look at the FP duty cycle it is at 80% if I add a simple wiring up grade it will lower it even more no BAP needed, FRP is 40 PSI IAT was about 90 Degrees I am very pleased with the fuel pump data this pump will be included in all my kits from this point forward.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299540699-demecodl.JPG
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299541551-pipes.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299541582-demeng.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299541667-demfull.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299543237-demeng1.jpg
CWright
03-07-2011, 05:39 PM
Looks good! Keep up the good work!:burnout::burnout::beer:
sailsmen
03-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Curios as to why the 3.6 pulley? Did the owner specify only 10psi max?
Dennis Reinhart
03-07-2011, 06:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znoFikn40O0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znoFikn40O0)
Dennis Reinhart
03-07-2011, 06:35 PM
Curios as to why the 3.6 pulley? Did the owner specify only 10psi max?
WEEEEELLLL it does have 85 k on the clock why not wait till the headers are installed and see the difference.
Dennis Reinhart
03-08-2011, 07:31 AM
Today it gets Metco C/A and the Kooks the back on the dyno and 4:10s.:burnout:
Dennis Reinhart
03-08-2011, 04:09 PM
Here is how the gears are installed you remove both axles examine them at the ends to see if they have bearing failure, tomorrow I will show how to set up a rear end the RIGHT way, along with this we removed the stock exhaust and installed my preference Kooks LTH and X pipe.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299625071-88car.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299625448-kookslth.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299625475-kookscolectors.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299625589-xpipekooks.jpg
Tomorrow will do Metco Control arms and put the car back on the dyno.
Dennis Reinhart
03-09-2011, 08:53 PM
I am going to do this in three parts, part one will be how to properly install 4:10 gears. First of all remove the rear wheels and the ABS sensors calipers and rotors, remove the rear diff cover. remove the locking pin from the pin that retains the axial with the C clips.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299625071-88car.jpg
Remember the shims beveled edge faces out always place the caps and races on the correct side left and right never mix them up
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299727297-BEVLEDEDGE-FACES-OUT.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299727515-410GEARS.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299727581-CARIERREMOVED.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299727611-CLEANWITHBRAKECLEAN.jpg
Then remove the pinion gear
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299727611-CLEANWITHBRAKECLEAN.jpg
Then press the old pinion bearing off
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299727933-PINIONBEARINGTOOL.jpg
This tool is what makes a 8.8 install perfect Rotunda tool
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299728109-ROTUNDATOOL.jpg
what you do next is determine what size shim goes behind the new pinion bearing
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299728210-PINIONDEPTH.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299728532-SETTINGPINIONDEPTH.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299728210-PINIONDEPTH.jpg
Once this is done you install the shim on the new pinion and install the bearing you them must set the new pinion preload Here is a easy tool once tightened there should be about 14" of drag with a " pound torque wrench.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299728532-SETTINGPINIONDEPTH.jpg
Next you set back lash with a dial indicator I run about .008
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299729029-CHECKINGBACKLASH8THOUSANDTH.jp g
Install new axial seals, and axial pin and retainer and c clips RTV on the cover plate gear oil and additive.
Dennis Reinhart
03-09-2011, 08:57 PM
Kooks are up next and Metcos
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299729332-THEBESTCONTARMS.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299729371-KOOKSANDXPIPE.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299729411-KOOKSTOOEMMUFLERS.jpg
Dennis Reinhart
03-09-2011, 09:11 PM
Now this car has the new Aeromotive pump and you will see the data logs and this pump does not need a BAP, but what I do is run a 10 guage wire from the battery to the trunk, I run a heavy duty relay so that the low current small guage OEM FP wires triggers the relay allowing larger current this will drop FP duty cycle.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299729696-TOOLSFORRELAYINSTALL.jpg
Here is the relay it is very easy to install it has 3 smaller guage wires the one in the center is not used the two others are the trigger wires one is ground the other goes to the out put of the inertia switch, this kills the power if the car is in a rear end collision.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299729845-CUTCENTERWIREOUT.jpg
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299730077-GROUNDFORRELAY.jpg
I use a new crimp splice that has a bad of solder in it when heated the cover shrinks and the solder melts making it a environmental seal,
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299730112-AIRCRAFTSOLDERSPLICES.jpg
The two large guage wires go to the battery and to the FPDM.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299730184-HEATSHRUNK.jpg
Dennis Reinhart
03-09-2011, 09:31 PM
Ok here is what I can prove, last week we had a lively post about headers, some saying a dyno tune is always needed for N/A or S/C, some say LTH are not worth the money well I disagree.
I will not argue this point the numbers are there, below is Demeco's car before headers 391 and 337, and after I made NO changes to timing or AF, the car gained both RWHP and RWT and the AF stayed the same 437/376 I think you can do the math.. The car was warm on the dyno just coming from the muffler shop. In the morning I will do another pull, I will bet a cold beer it makes 450RWHP and if it does I will dial it back.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299730908-DEMECOWITHKOOKSLTH.jpg
Look at the IAT the spark load and maf counts STFT show a 11.5 AF and yes it is dead on, at WOT the02's are off this is what the base fuel table controls. :beer::beer:
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299730726-DATALOG.jpg
Two down Three to go.
JoeBoomz
03-09-2011, 09:55 PM
Hi Dennis if you remember my Marauder has a V-2 (Dunlop Ford in Lethbridge Alberta) but I don't know the pulley size the original owner had put on the V-2 when he ordered the kit from you.
My car has stock exhaust - would it be in a similar 390 range currently? Can I expect similar results with my car with the same headers or is my configuration different?
sailsmen
03-09-2011, 10:07 PM
If I am reading this right
3.3"/10.98psi/453RWHP/399TQ
3.6"/10.02psi/438RWHP/377TQ
LANDY
03-09-2011, 10:12 PM
If I am reading this right
3.3"/10.98psi/453RWHP/399TQ
3.6"/10.02psi/438RWHP/377TQ I don't think he changed the s/c pulley
Dennis Reinhart
03-10-2011, 05:50 AM
I don't think he changed the s/c pulley
All I did was add headers, the car gained the power with just the headers no pulley change, thanks Landy. These are two separate cars the bottom one is car two the top one car one that had a 3.3.
Dennis Reinhart
03-10-2011, 05:52 AM
Hi Dennis if you remember my Marauder has a V-2 (Dunlop Ford in Lethbridge Alberta) but I don't know the pulley size the original owner had put on the V-2 when he ordered the kit from you.
My car has stock exhaust - would it be in a similar 390 range currently? Can I expect similar results with my car with the same headers or is my configuration different?
Yes if your car has lower miles you could go with headers and a smaller pulley, I posted this after all the talk about headers, here is the before and after proof, with data and dyno sheets and even in SAE LOL.
sailsmen
03-10-2011, 06:17 AM
If I am reading this right
3.3"/10.98psi/453RWHP/399TQ
3.6"/10.02psi/438RWHP/377TQ
I know it's 2 different Marauders, (453RWHP/399TQ are from post #1), I was comparing the 2 different pulley sizes and the different results. It appears the diff between a 3.3" pulley and a 3.6" pulley is .96psi and 15RWHP. I assume the timing on the 2 Marauders is similar and the primary difference is in pulley size.
We have seen many dyno comparisons on headers/exhaust combinations and very few if any on pulley sizes for a Cent.
Originally Posted by sailsmen
Curios as to why the 3.6 pulley? Did the owner specify only 10psi max?
Originally Posted by dennis
WEEEEELLLL it does have 85 k on the clock why not wait till the headers are installed and see the difference.
Dennis Reinhart
03-10-2011, 06:47 AM
Billy every car is different, no car has the same timing, every car is different some take more others do not, some make more power some do not, bottom line is the customer is happy and so am I. I posted this in your post that is why it shows edited.
sailsmen
03-10-2011, 07:03 AM
So we don't have any dyno comparisons on a Cent going with different pulley sizes?
That would be intersting info the next time a Cent changes a pulley size to do a before and after dyno.
Dennis Reinhart
03-10-2011, 08:00 AM
No Billy we did not, I started with a 3.3, but Landy can tell you because we did do a 3.6 them went to a 3.3, it is nice to see you posting more often.
blazen71
03-10-2011, 08:20 AM
Thanks Dennis for the pics and write-up on the exhaust and wiring!
MM2004
03-10-2011, 08:29 AM
Dennis,
Great write up!
Mike.
Dennis Reinhart
03-10-2011, 08:43 AM
LOL I just did a pull this morning and the car made 449.43 I said 450, actually it could make more the A/F is still low 11's will keep it safe.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299771757-Demeco449rwhp.jpg
Congratulations Demeco.
Dennis Reinhart
03-12-2011, 10:01 AM
The car is done runs perfect Demeco is picking it up in the morning here is the finishing touch I now have these in stock.
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299948383-demecoaeroforce.jpg
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