Marauder PCV valve oil separators.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I was asked to post something up about PCV systems, the Marauder has a unique design the PCV valve in our car is not a check valve, as older PCV valves were. Below is how the older PCV works

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299949787-pcv.jpg

PCV systems can be described as either open or closed. The two systems are quite similar. However, the closed system in use since 1968 is more effective at air pollution control. The systems differ in the manner in which fresh air enters the crankcase and excessive vapor is expelled.
Open PCV Systems

The open system draws fresh air though a vented oil filler cap, usually chrome plated in restored cars. This works fine as long as the vapor volume is minimal and when the engine is running. However, when the crankcase vapor becomes excessive - or when the engine is shut off - it is forced back through the vented oil filler cap and into the open atmosphere. The open PCV system, though successful at removing contaminated vapors from the crankcase, is not completely effective as a pollution control device.
Closed PCV Systems

The closed PCV system draws fresh air from the air filter housing. The oil filler cap in this system is NOT vented. Consequently, excess vapor will be carried back to the air filter housing and from there into the intake manifold. The closed system prevents vapor, whether normal or excessive, from reaching the open atmosphere. The closed system is very effective as an air pollution control device.
The PCV Valve - More Complicated Than You Think

The purpose of the PCV valve is to meter the flow of the vapor from the crankcase to the intake manifold. This is necessary in order to provide proper ventilation for the crankcase, while not upsetting the fuel/air mixture for combustion.
Blow-by gases and vapor should be removed at about the same rate they enter the crankcase. Since blow-by is minimal at idle and increases during high speed operation, the PCV valve must control the flow of vapor accordingly. The PCV valve is designed to compensate for the engine ventilation needs at varying engine speeds. It is operated by manifold vacuum, which increases or decreases as engine speeds and loads change.
For example, at low or idle engine speeds manifold vacuum is high. This pulls the plunger to the extreme forward position, or manifold end of the valve. Due to the shape of the plunger, vapor flow is reduced to a minimum. The low rate of the flow is adequate for ventilation purposes and will not upset the fuel/air mixture ratio.


The Marauder is designed totally different, there has been talk of oil separators in my opinion there not needed on a N/A Marauder, but it is not a bad idea, but you absolutely do not want to use a stock Marauder PCV valve in a centrifugal supercharger set up, here is how it works on a Marauder air is sucked out of the crank case by engine vacuum at the upper intake, on the passenger side of the engine through the PCV, now fresh air is sucked through the Maf and a tube comes off the bellows going the the TB on the drivers side and goes to the drivers side valve cover, this what they call a closed PCV system this is metered air so if you delete the PCV system it will have a effect on fuel economy, on High RWHP cars they can care less and they do remove it and run vents on both valve covers and or run a catch can, the purpose for that is to collect oil and keeping it from going all over the engine and exhaust.

If you install a Vortech every line attached to the intake will see boost, so at WOT you would be blowing boost in the crank case, that is why I reversed the PCV system on the Marauder, I run a EV111 PCV valve that is designed to blow closed under boost, this goes in on the drivers side, I route a Fuel line that will not collapse under vacuum, I connect that to the intake with a adapter that comes in my kit, I then run the OEM PCV to the intake of the SC keeping the PCV system intact.

Now here is a very simple oil separator I have been using for years, and it can be used on N/A cars as well as S/C cars this is very easy to install as well as clean. So today I put this together if there is a enterest for this I will do this as a group buy if not it makes for nice reading.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299951332-Marauderoilseperator.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299951446-marauderoilseperator1.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299951482-maraheroilseperator2.jpg

[babbage]

Nice simple clean design. I like it. How much are these going for?

[Dennis Reinhart]

Nice simple clean design. I like it. How much are these going for?


I am thinking 45.00 to 50.00 I need to see what I paid for these, I could sell for less I f I buy a bunch of these and thank you for your interest.

[Blackened300a]

So basically you could also use one of these in line water/oil separators like this one for $11?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NSYV58/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p= 486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003CLISZS&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0511SVAAXQG885Q26N4Y

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RMoK%2Bi9OL._SL500_AA300_.jp ghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yoxGwMkqL._AA300_.jpg

[JOEMERC]

Thats what he said.

[Fourth Horseman]

Dennis, with your Vortech A2A kit, would it be useful to put an oil separator on both sides of the system? I have one very similar to what you sell on my driver's side, and it catches quite a bit of oil. Wondering if I should put one on the other side as well.

[babbage]

Dennis, with your Vortech A2A kit, would it be useful to put an oil separator on both sides of the system? I have one very similar to what you sell on my driver's side, and it catches quite a bit of oil. Wondering if I should put one on the other side as well.

That's what I'm wanting - this looks like it would work great for the drivers side. I did see a little bit of oil on the tbody today, and I know it's not coming from the passenger side!

[sailsmen]

Dennis, with your Vortech A2A kit, would it be useful to put an oil separator on both sides of the system? I have one very similar to what you sell on my driver's side, and it catches quite a bit of oil. Wondering if I should put one on the other side as well.

% in 40K on my setup the separator is bone dry.

[fastblackmerc]

I think these have been proven not to work.

You can get a cheap oil separator at Lowe's or Home Depot.

You need either an oil catch can by 42 Draft Designs:

http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/products/catchcans.html

or one sold by a member here.

[sailsmen]

What does "these" refer to? The 2 separators posted above?

[fastblackmerc]

What does "these" refer to? The 2 separators posted above?

Yes, both.

[RocsMerc]

If I'm understanding the first post correctly, I believe it's main purpose is to close when the car is under boost on centrifical systems so the PVC system functions the way the factory intended and separating oil is just a secondary function. I wouldn't buy this to separate oil for my setup (soon to be Trilogy), but I can see how this would be beneficial in other setups.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis, with your Vortech A2A kit, would it be useful to put an oil separator on both sides of the system? I have one very similar to what you sell on my driver's side, and it catches quite a bit of oil. Wondering if I should put one on the other side as well.


You could if you wanted to, again all I am trying to do is give options

[Dennis Reinhart]

So basically you could also use one of these in line water/oil separators like this one for $11?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NSYV58/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p= 486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003CLISZS&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0511SVAAXQG885Q26N4Y

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RMoK%2Bi9OL._SL500_AA300_.jp ghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yoxGwMkqL._AA300_.jpg


First of all this is rude and inappropriate to post in any vendors forum a cheaper product, that any vendor is selling, you sure would not get away with it in the other vendors forums here, but I will leave your post just reframe from doing this again. If the roles were reversed I would not do this to you. The exact same thing happened about the traction control relay, this separator is cheaper it looks cheaper I use a high quality parker separator, so if you want to figure out how to make this cheap one fit the stock OEM hose then do that and sell it on your own.

[sailsmen]

Dennis is this the Parker model you are using?
10F Coalescing Filters – Miniature
Prep-Air II, 10F Series
1/8 , 1/4 – Basic 1/8 Body
Catalog 0700P-5/USA
Miniature 10F Series
For polycarbonate bowl see Caution on page A2.
SCFM = Standard cubic feet per minute at 90 PSIG inlet and 5 PSIG
pressure drop.
Accepts
1/8" Tubing
Automatic Drain
Features
• Removes liquid aerosols and sub-micron particles.
• Liquids gravitate to the bottom of the element
and will not re-enter the airstream.
• Oil free air for critical applications, such as
air gauging and pneumatic instrumentation
and controls.
• Interchangeable twist and
automatic pulse drains.
• Grade 6 element,
99.97 DOP efficiency.
• High Flow: Grade 6 Element
1/8" – 17 SCFM
1/4" – 20 SCFM
Grade 10 Element
1/8" – 19 SCFM
1/4" – 24 SCFM

Looking at the specs it appears that it works. The fact that a member reports oil in his indicates it works. I am curious as to what "proof" there is to the contrary???

[vkirkend]

Dennis, I'm told by my installer that the catch can and cobra PCV will be sufficient. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Dennis, I want one group buy or not.

[JBeezy]

I'm interested. Anything that will be of help

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis, I want one group buy or not.


Thanks call me tomorrow

[massacre]

First of all this is rude and inappropriate to post in any vendors forum a cheaper product, that any vendor is selling, you sure would not get away with it in the other vendors forums here, but I will leave your post just reframe from doing this again. If the roles were reversed I would not do this to you. The exact same thing happened about the traction control relay, this separator is cheaper it looks cheaper I use a high quality parker separator, so if you want to figure out how to make this cheap one fit the stock OEM hose then do that and sell it on your own.

As far as I can tell, you consider anyone who disagrees with anything you post to be "rude" and "inappropriate".

[Dennis Reinhart]

As far as I can tell, you consider anyone who disagrees with anything you post to be "rude" and "inappropriate".


Your wrong show me where this is allowed in other vendors forums, I have never seen any one post links to cheaper priced products a vendor sells on this site. Again this same thing was done weeks ago, I try and post good technical articles. I am constantly trying to come up with new ideas for our car. Now lets keep it on track. I hope every one had a good weekend.

[blazen71]

Dennis, do you keep the PCV valve intact on the pass. side? I have the same set-up you use, but the PCV vale on the pass. side is hollowed out. It is basically an elbow now.

[scruff]

I was asked to post something up about PCV systems, the Marauder has a unique design the PCV valve in our car is not a check valve, as older PCV valves were. Below is how the older PCV works

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299949787-pcv.jpg

PCV systems can be described as either open or closed. The two systems are quite similar. However, the closed system in use since 1968 is more effective at air pollution control. The systems differ in the manner in which fresh air enters the crankcase and excessive vapor is expelled.
Open PCV Systems

The open system draws fresh air though a vented oil filler cap, usually chrome plated in restored cars. This works fine as long as the vapor volume is minimal and when the engine is running. However, when the crankcase vapor becomes excessive - or when the engine is shut off - it is forced back through the vented oil filler cap and into the open atmosphere. The open PCV system, though successful at removing contaminated vapors from the crankcase, is not completely effective as a pollution control device.
Closed PCV Systems

The closed PCV system draws fresh air from the air filter housing. The oil filler cap in this system is NOT vented. Consequently, excess vapor will be carried back to the air filter housing and from there into the intake manifold. The closed system prevents vapor, whether normal or excessive, from reaching the open atmosphere. The closed system is very effective as an air pollution control device.
The PCV Valve - More Complicated Than You Think

The purpose of the PCV valve is to meter the flow of the vapor from the crankcase to the intake manifold. This is necessary in order to provide proper ventilation for the crankcase, while not upsetting the fuel/air mixture for combustion.
Blow-by gases and vapor should be removed at about the same rate they enter the crankcase. Since blow-by is minimal at idle and increases during high speed operation, the PCV valve must control the flow of vapor accordingly. The PCV valve is designed to compensate for the engine ventilation needs at varying engine speeds. It is operated by manifold vacuum, which increases or decreases as engine speeds and loads change.
For example, at low or idle engine speeds manifold vacuum is high. This pulls the plunger to the extreme forward position, or manifold end of the valve. Due to the shape of the plunger, vapor flow is reduced to a minimum. The low rate of the flow is adequate for ventilation purposes and will not upset the fuel/air mixture ratio.


The Marauder is designed totally different, there has been talk of oil separators in my opinion there not needed on a N/A Marauder, but it is not a bad idea, but you absolutely do not want to use a stock Marauder PCV valve in a centrifugal supercharger set up, here is how it works on a Marauder air is sucked out of the crank case by engine vacuum at the upper intake, on the passenger side of the engine through the PCV, now fresh air is sucked through the Maf and a tube comes off the bellows going the the TB on the drivers side and goes to the drivers side valve cover, this what they call a closed PCV system this is metered air so if you delete the PCV system it will have a effect on fuel economy, on High RWHP cars they can care less and they do remove it and run vents on both valve covers and or run a catch can, the purpose for that is to collect oil and keeping it from going all over the engine and exhaust.

If you install a Vortech every line attached to the intake will see boost, so at WOT you would be blowing boost in the crank case, that is why I reversed the PCV system on the Marauder, I run a EV111 PCV valve that is designed to blow closed under boost, this goes in on the drivers side, I route a Fuel line that will not collapse under vacuum, I connect that to the intake with a adapter that comes in my kit, I then run the OEM PCV to the intake of the SC keeping the PCV system intact.

Now here is a very simple oil separator I have been using for years, and it can be used on N/A cars as well as S/C cars this is very easy to install as well as clean. So today I put this together if there is a enterest for this I will do this as a group buy if not it makes for nice reading.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299951332-Marauderoilseperator.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299951446-marauderoilseperator1.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1299951482-maraheroilseperator2.jpg
so dennis would this same reverse pcv set up be used on a vortech set up on a 2 valve motor or is it kept OEM ?

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis, do you keep the PCV valve intact on the pass. side? I have the same set-up you use, but the PCV vale on the pass. side is hollowed out. It is basically an elbow now.


The Procagrger set up is wrong it does away with the PCV, system you need to look at my posts and it shows how to install the EV111 that goes in the drivers side and routes to the intake run the OEM PCV to the inlet of the S/C. Magindat and I found this out and we converted his.

[Dennis Reinhart]

so dennis would this same reverse pcv set up be used on a vortech set up on a 2 valve motor or is it kept OEM ?

This is very important on the newer cars with this type if PCV, I use a EV-111 I cut the hard plastic tubing off and use the OEM fitting and add PCV hose and this looks like OEM as well.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/EV11MODCV.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/08pcv.jpg

Vortech now uses this on all there newer kits for the Mustangs.

[Blackened300a]

So its better to wait for a middle man to order a manufactured item, then wait for it to be sent to the middle man only to then order it for double the price and wait again for the middle man to send it out?
If posting good technical ideas and helping us is in your best interest, why not point us out to a part number and take credit for a good idea instead of trying to cash in on it?
BTW I found the exact part you are using through a google search. Your asking price of $40-$50 plus your shipping costs and then wait for you to receive the item then mail it out to your customers is a costly major inconvenience.

[sailsmen]

People are stealing other peoples ideas and work, not paying a fair wage for their work. Maybe auto companies and tuners should form a union and collective bargain with consumers. Ohh wait that is illegal.:(
Cut out the Union Middle Man and go direct to the employee. Employee gets paid more, employer lowers cost while improving efficiency and rewards individual employee performance.

Good luck trying to order a part directly from Parker.

FYI on Amazon Parker 10F11ED 1/8" Body 1/4" Port Coalescer High Efficiency
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[Drewstang]

As far as I can tell, you consider anyone who disagrees with anything you post to be "rude" and "inappropriate".
Exactly what I was thinking. I can remember conversations about Centrifical vs Roots blowers getting ugly.

It also appears anytime a good product is made by a member its suddenly going to "blow engines" and cause the car to flip. Why would you be in such a rush and need to explain the catch can idea all of the sudden? The mod motors have been around since 92 and its always been a known issue on the 4V cars. Why the need to draw out an explanation if you are not trying to sway customers?

[massacre]

Your wrong show me where this is allowed in other vendors forums, I have never seen any one post links to cheaper priced products a vendor sells on this site. Again this same thing was done weeks ago, I try and post good technical articles. I am constantly trying to come up with new ideas for our car. Now lets keep it on track. I hope every one had a good weekend.


I am just making an observation.
As far as I can tell, you have pretty much ZERO competition from other vendors on this site. Just seems like you keep pressing an issue that just isn't really an issue.

And funny you should bring up tech articles, since you posted Jerry W's tech article about the modular Ford cooling system without giving him the credit for it. Any member here could have cut and pasted that article from TCCOA just like you did.
I don't want to get into a big thing about this, but like I said, it just seems you are pushing an issue that doesn't need to be pushed. It's not like you are broke and losing your house. You have a loyal following, and post up the builds that you do, on a regular basis. It doesn't seem like you are hurting for money, with regular work doing builds and tunes.

[Blackened300a]

FYI on Amazon Parker 10F11ED 1/8" Body 1/4" Port Coalescer High Efficiency
by Parker
Be the first to review this item | Like 1300072566 false 1 0 0 0 (0)
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Not the same one according the pic. The same exact Parker brand one used in the above pictures with the same petcock on the bottom costs $21 and its in stock.
http://www.airridefittings.com/store/images/14F_miniature.jpg

[Dennis Reinhart]

I want to thank the members for there support and for the orders placed this morning.:beer:

[scruff]

This is very important on the newer cars with this type if PCV, I use a EV-111 I cut the hard plastic tubing off and use the OEM fitting and add PCV hose and this looks like OEM as well.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/EV11MODCV.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/08pcv.jpg

Vortech now uses this on all there newer kits for the Mustangs.
Thanks for explaining this reguard,n the late model 2V PCV setup

[ctrlraven]

I like my custom made eBay, Lowes and Advance Autoparts one.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thanks for explaining this reguard,n the late model 2V PCV setup


You are more than welcome, I sold three today.:banana2:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank god I never advertised what Steeda sells them for, that is 74.95, I sold three more today:beer:

[cougar9150]

Dennis, with your Vortech A2A kit, would it be useful to put an oil separator on both sides of the system? I have one very similar to what you sell on my driver's side, and it catches quite a bit of oil. Wondering if I should put one on the other side as well.

How often do you need to drain it? I was looking at something similar to this after seeing the Steeda one on a buddies Mustang.

Until I get my truck up and running I put about 350-400 miles a week on my car in mostly city traffic. 32 miles take me 1-1.5 hours or more :(.

I don't want to be draining it every other day as I have heard some members say they capture quite a bit in their catch cans.

[MERCMAN]

Just installed mine today,, so easy a cave man could do it! Nice setup, easy to install, what more can you ask for?

[sailsmen]

In 40K miles I have never drained it or noticed anything in it.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Just installed mine today,, so easy a cave man could do it! Nice setup, easy to install, what more can you ask for?

Thank you Dan I have ordered ten more they will be ready next week, I have Addco sway bars in stock and Xcal 3 Proguards I can have PI converters shipped allmost the same day.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I got ten more in today, thanks every one for the sales

[Dennis Reinhart]

I got ten of these in today I am going to bring some to Louisville if any one would like to order a kit give me a call.