Auction Today: 1969 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler

[Canadasvt]

My boss is down here but he won't buy me this :(

http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCars.cfm?SaleCode=AM11&CarID=r138&fc=0#

[Mr. Man]

You boss is a big meanie :D

[rayjay]

Do you know how much it sold for?

[FastMerc]

Thats not any spoiler that is a Dan Gurney car! Some years ago I almost bought a Cale Yarbouroug spoiler

[Mercguy04]

CanadaSVT,
www.svtoa-toronto.ca (http://www.svtoa-toronto.ca/)
This engine assumble plant looks fantastic. I wonder if one of those engines would
be able to be installed a MM 04?
At 624 HP that is a lot of engine, but it sure could kick so a$$ no dough.
I would be interested in weather or not it would work in a MM. Or how much touble it would be to do so. I like what it looks like.
Another question would be, would it fit under a regular hood or would I need a cowl
hood?
Canada SVT, can you answer some of these questions. Do you work in the Plant?
and could we get an engine built you and your partner?
Thanks for any information you might be able to provide. I look forward to you reply
Best to all there in Canada from us here in the USA.
Russell

[69ranchero351c]

Thats not any spoiler that is a Dan Gurney car! Some years ago I almost bought a Cale Yarbouroug spoiler

i know where theres a cale yarbouroug sittin rottin into the ground mostly complete but no motor and he wont sell. he also has a talledaga in the garage behind it that just sits there.

[bugsyc]

I'm buying it...drop a 427 in,supercharge it,parachute and...wait a minute,I aint got the money....a guy can DREAM

[Canadasvt]

CanadaSVT,
www.svtoa-toronto.ca (http://www.svtoa-toronto.ca/)
This engine assumble plant looks fantastic. I wonder if one of those engines would
be able to be installed a MM 04?
At 624 HP that is a lot of engine, but it sure could kick so a$$ no dough.
I would be interested in weather or not it would work in a MM. Or how much touble it would be to do so. I like what it looks like.
Another question would be, would it fit under a regular hood or would I need a cowl
hood?
Canada SVT, can you answer some of these questions. Do you work in the Plant?
and could we get an engine built you and your partner?
Thanks for any information you might be able to provide. I look forward to you reply
Best to all there in Canada from us here in the USA.
Russell

Not sure which engine you are mentioning.

I work at Oakville Assembly Complex where we build the Ford Edge, Flex, Lincoln MKX and MKT.

[rayjay]

Not a Cyclone,but a guy I know around here has a 72 Torino CJ, but they went to the 351 that year. Its an ATX on the column and worst of all that burnt orange color. Last time I spoke to him he wanted $12.5k He rarely drives it.

[Got_1]

RM auctions is 30mins from me. Their showroom is very impressive.

[PhastPhil]

Nice car, but what's with the 390 engine ? Didn't these only come with the 351 Windsor ? Or was that only in the Aero version ?

[FastMerc]

i know where theres a cale yarbouroug sittin rottin into the ground mostly complete but no motor and he wont sell. he also has a talledaga in the garage behind it that just sits there.
Thats down right stupid! :bigcry:

[FastMerc]

Nice car, but what's with the 390 engine ? Didn't these only come with the 351 Windsor ? Or was that only in the Aero version ?
Because its a Gurney car!

[martyo]

I have always loved those cars.

What did it sell for?

[CycloneDGS69]

My boss is down here but he won't buy me this :(

http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCars.cfm?SaleCode=AM11&CarID=r138&fc=0#
I am James Meadows and that was my car. I restored it and can tell you guys everything about this very rare "cheater car". When Ford called out NASCAR to inspect the "fleet" they did not have the required 500 cars to meet NASCARs homologation rule. This rule said that if you wanted to race it you needed to make 500 for sale to the public but Ford was unable to get that many ready so they hid around 80 cars in the middle of the group so that when NASCAR came out they saw a sea of blue and red roof tops counted the cars 20 across and 25 deep thereby fooling NASCAR into thinking they had met the quota. Next year (1970) the rule changed and said you had to have 1 car for every dealership. So the reason there are some big block cars is b/c they snuck in the "W" nose cars which dont cary the special op vin tag but carry all the paint code designating it a DGS. This car is actually the lowest numbered known survivor and the build date Jan.17th. Which is why it is a "cheater car" the spoiler II's were all date code built in late Feb and March. Only 54 of the cheater cars are known to exist. Of those there are (As best I remember b/c I sold it in almost 10 yrs ago at a Dean Kruse Auction for 34K) only 4 known 390's and 3 428's. Mine had factory A/C which I was never able to find another one with ithat option. The car looks exacttly like I built it stock with the exception of the Torque Thrust wheels which I think made it look Bad A**. If this forum gets re-newed interest I will go into more detail about what else I did and what I paid as that story really is interesting as well. But I can assure you that this particular car is considerd part of the 500 Holmogated cars and is a Spoiler. It is also#'s matching. I feel honored to know it was part of an exclusive collection when sold and would love to know who that was. Also I re-did the interior and love the fact that the write up says that it looks like new. My guy did a great job on it and it required him locating 3 different types of material to get that look. any way there is more to the story and if the interest comes back I will go into more detail about what else I needed to do to get it back, what I bought it for and some other neat things that happened along the way of bringing it back to it former glory. I am from Texas and if you look at the pkates they are 1969 TX tags, so I will leave it at that and wait to see if anyone is interested in hearing more or has questions.:banana2:

[wickedmerc]

I am James Meadows and that was my car. I restored it and can tell you guys everything about this very rare "cheater car". When Ford called out NASCAR to inspect the "fleet" they did not have the required 500 cars to meet NASCARs homologation rule. This rule said that if you wanted to race it you needed to make 500 for sale to the public but Ford was unable to get that many ready so they hid around 80 cars in the middle of the group so that when NASCAR came out they saw a sea of blue and red roof tops counted the cars 20 across and 25 deep thereby fooling NASCAR into thinking they had met the quota. Next year (1970) the rule changed and said you had to have 1 car for every dealership. So the reason there are some big block cars is b/c they snuck in the "W" nose cars which dont cary the special op vin tag but carry all the paint code designating it a DGS. This car is actually the lowest numbered known survivor and the build date Jan.17th. Which is why it is a "cheater car" the spoiler II's were all date code built in late Feb and March. Only 54 of the cheater cars are known to exist. Of those there are (As best I remember b/c I sold it in almost 10 yrs ago at a Dean Kruse Auction for 34K) only 4 known 390's and 3 428's. Mine had factory A/C which I was never able to find another one with ithat option. The car looks exacttly like I built it stock with the exception of the Torque Thrust wheels which I think made it look Bad A**. If this forum gets re-newed interest I will go into more detail about what else I did and what I paid as that story really is interesting as well. But I can assure you that this particular car is considerd part of the 500 Holmogated cars and is a Spoiler. It is also#'s matching. I feel honored to know it was part of an exclusive collection when sold and would love to know who that was. Also I re-did the interior and love the fact that the write up says that it looks like new. My guy did a great job on it and it required him locating 3 different types of material to get that look. any way there is more to the story and if the interest comes back I will go into more detail about what else I needed to do to get it back, what I bought it for and some other neat things that happened along the way of bringing it back to it former glory. I am from Texas and if you look at the pkates they are 1969 TX tags, so I will leave it at that and wait to see if anyone is interested in hearing more or has questions.:banana2:

That was a real nice car. I agree, the addition of the American Racing rims was a nice touch. The sale price was impressive, to say the least! Congratulations!

I see in the description that the Spoiler came from a "prominent collection". While that car was very nice indeed, I wonder what other cars are in the collection? I dream of having a "collection" someday.

[Canadasvt]

I have always loved those cars.

What did it sell for?

sold for $33,000

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM11&CarID=r138&Currency=USD

[CycloneDGS69]

sold for $33,000

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM11&CarID=r138&Currency=USD
I actually got lucky with mine because I had a buyer who put down 4k and then tried to do some "creative" financing thru J.J. Best that caused his financing to fall thru. I held the car for 6 monthes before I told him he could come to the auction and it would be there for sale, never saw him again. So I got his deposit.

[CycloneDGS69]

The car ended up having the passanger side exhaust manifold break, so I took to a good friend who did a lot of the mechanical work to it for the repair. When I showed up the afternoon after he had gotten it the front end was sitting about 6" up and I new that the engine had come out . He was unable to replace it w/o taking the it out. So long story short it was rebuilt .30 over and crank turned .10. Now i did not know it at the time but the engine was called an Improved Performance 390. It came with a little bit of cam and the heads where different, but that is where the VIN was stamped and inorder for it to be proved then you have to pull a head or pull the engine, as you cant get a mirrior back there behind the firewall and head, Way too tight and the numbers are stamped, Brian thought this was odd and had a 3900 sitting on the floor so we cleaned of the same spot on the other motor and nothing was there. I took a piece of paper and traced it out to prove that it was numbers matching. The carb on this car is another interesting part I had a 3 Barrell on it Holley 730 or 765, It was an odd carb and was suppose to be part of the 390 IP desination it also had a duel point distributor. I got rid of it though and can honestlly say that the Mallory kit with the Infared Light is the way to go with any old muscle car as it just makes cold starts a whole lot easier, and it only cost 99.99 at the time. The lifter springs where heavier and the push rods where larger diameter for oil flow. I had never heard of this engine but it was specific to Mercury, because when Brian's dad started tearing it down and recording part numbers they did not match up with the standard Ford 390 for that year. The new owner should he read this need not worry about the exhaust manifold b/c we got one date code correct. The tranny was a C-6 and I never did a thing to it. I expect that the car has 15000 miles showing on the odometer now (just guessing) ,but it is acurate miles to the rebuild, As it was 4 miles from turning over when we started the rebuild. I actually had a buddy come over one night when I lived in Hockley TX with 5 gals. of AB gas 116, Now we cut it w/ 93 and the seats had been hardened to run unleaded after the build. Well we got on 290 at Zube Rd and began to open it up. When I got to 90mph I told Markus to start watching the gauges while I got in the middle of the highway. I still had over an inch of pedal left and he began to callout the speed. After we hit 100 the car seemed to squat down and really hug the highway. It was comfortable and we were sober. Markus began calling out the speed 105, 110, 115, 120 its pegged! i STILL HAD PEDAL LEFT! SO I FLOORED IT, We guesstimate that we hit somewhere around 130-35 as it took 20 seconds for the speedo to come off the peg. And we travelled 7.8 miles. There was a LOVES service station at the 2920 exit and we needed to put in fuel as it had used enough to be on empty, although the gauge was not always accurate. The car did not overheat and there were no problems. Except Markus wanted to do it again. I thought better and took the back roads home and put it in the barn.:bows:

[TFB]

Nice car, but what's with the 390 engine ? Didn't these only come with the 351 Windsor ? Or was that only in the Aero version ?

Correct the aero Spoiler II was only available with 351 4v(BBL carb) & column FMX automatic... The std Spoiler was avail with 351, 390 or 428CJ with or without ram air... Also were avail with three on the tree with the 351(a guy here local had one), and four speed or automatic with the other engines...

The car is legit, is registered in the 1994 Spoiler/Talladega Registry I have...

The 390 IP was used in all '69 Torino, Cyclone, Mustang, Cougar, it's rated at 320Hp, engine code "S" in the VIN... Was basically the same engine as the 335Hp '66-'68 390GT but used the funky Autolite 4bbl carb vs the 600CFM Holley on the earlier engines... Cam is same as 428CJ... Heads have the staggered bolt pattern for the exhaust manifolds but use same size 2.04 & 1.57 valves as the Galaxie, T-Bird, etc 390, ports are smaller than 428CJ heads... I had one in a 390 4-speed Torino GT... I also owned a SpoilerII, 428 CJ Torino GT, 428CJ Fairlane Cobra(still have it, owned since '73), a 428 SCJ Fairlane Cobra & SCJ Fairlane 500...

[CycloneDGS69]

Correct the aero Spoiler II was only available with 351 4v(BBL carb) & column FMX automatic... The std Spoiler was avail with 351, 390 or 428CJ with or without ram air... Also were avail with three on the tree with the 351(a guy here local had one), and four speed or automatic with the other engines...

The car is legit, is registered in the 1994 Spoiler/Talladega Registry I have...

The 390 IP was used in all '69 Torino, Cyclone, Mustang, Cougar, it's rated at 320Hp, engine code "S" in the VIN... Was basically the same engine as the 335Hp '66-'68 390GT but used the funky Autolite 4bbl carb vs the 600CFM Holley on the earlier engines... Cam is same as 428CJ... Heads have the staggered bolt pattern for the exhaust manifolds but use same size 2.04 & 1.57 valves as the Galaxie, T-Bird, etc 390, ports are smaller than 428CJ heads... I had one in a 390 4-speed Torino GT... I also owned a SpoilerII, 428 CJ Torino GT, 428CJ Fairlane Cobra(still have it, owned since '73), a 428 SCJ Fairlane Cobra & SCJ Fairlane 500...
You have the Mark Moses Book correct? I may be wrong but is there a car , Spoiler or II that has a lower production number? I believe that issue list a Dr. from Metarie LA as the owner? He actually drove it at the 1995 Winged Warrior Reunionor is it every 5 years?

[TFB]

Correct it's the Registry Mark Moses published, yes it's owner is listed as in Metairie LA...

There are two Spoilers listed with a lower VIN 548443 & 448, both Cales, lowest II is prototype 550118, first production model 563934... I'll have to do some digging but I believe I have some info on the pre-production Spoilers(which were yet to be called spoilers)... For six or seven years I kept a registry on 428CJ intermediates before I passed it on to Jon Huntley, interesting facts did spring up every once in awhile...

If I remember correctly there some painted red & white and available for comments, test drive, etc at a large dealer meeting in Atlanta... These were std Cyclones some white with red added, others were red cars with the lower repainted white, spoilers were still in the future... If I remember correctly some of those had VINs in the 537xxx range... Moses would not include these in the registry as they were not "true" Spoilers...

[CycloneDGS69]

Correct it's the Registry Mark Moses published, yes it's owner is listed as in Metairie LA...

There are two Spoilers listed with a lower VIN 548443 & 448, both Cales, lowest II is prototype 550118, first production model 563934... I'll have to do some digging but I believe I have some info on the pre-production Spoilers(which were yet to be called spoilers)... For six or seven years I kept a registry on 428CJ intermediates before I passed it on to Jon Huntley, interesting facts did spring up every once in awhile...

If I remember correctly there some painted red & white and available for comments, test drive, etc at a large dealer meeting in Atlanta... These were std Cyclones some white with red added, others were red cars with the lower repainted white, spoilers were still in the future... If I remember correctly some of those had VINs in the 537xxx range... Moses would not include these in the registry as they were not "true" Spoilers...
Ihag a Marti Report done and I believe i wasted my money on it as the records for these cars don;t really fall into the classifiable catagory. My said there where 1000 made yet I have not seen any of the Blue & white cars. I do see an occasional red & white but never blue& white. I tend to believe Moses's tist because it takes into acct. The cheater cars, You know the other thing about this car was that the engine was put in a mustang which also mess's with the count and the wasy things were allowed to be done, and counted, I new that the car I had was the lowest something, That being a DGS. It is also the 1st Big block I think. But In time I think the car is going to gain recognizion and value b/c of the cheater status. This angle is not really examined and to me with th e 390 and A/C it really is undervalued. There has never been a car of that stature and that was one on the things I tended to play up in shows. That and the fact that Petty was driving a Ford, caught peoples attention. The other thing was that people always thought it was a Dodge/Chrysler product. I won the Reilly Nostalgia Award at Fun Ford Weekend with it and that had to be the highlight of the awards it won. That award is only given out when a car is in the show that is really of importance to the judges. I was told that it is named for the guy who started Fun Ford Weekend. It was without a doubt the best car I ever owned. I bought it for 8800.00 and when I found out what it was I offered it back to Lawerence Marshall , he sold his dealership to Ray Childress a Houston Oiler and over the years he had rat holed a bunch of great cars. He turned me down, But the look on his face at the Kruse Auction was priceless, He even went so far as to tell me that "all anyone had to do was put Torque Thrust Wheels on their car to get 30k. I asked him if he was going to buy some for his cars and he just walked away. I would not be surprised if the car makes it way to Barrett Jackson in the next couple years I wanted to go there with it but jsut could not afford the cost of getting it there and then ending up in the outside auction. The fact it has made it the RM is pretty good .

[TFB]

Ford never kept any count of how many engines were produced totally, so saying count is skewed by the Mustangs(& Torinos & Cougars)having same engine available isn't so...

I'm not sure Marti has the info input in his database to always achieve the desired results, or maybe didn't know what to look for... The MX paint code ID's a DGS, period... No other Cyclone had that paint code... Along with the "S" engine code, would give the exact figure produced with the 390...

The B&W cars were rarer in the east & I've heard the DGS was supposed to be sold "West" of the Mississippi, but the one I mentioned here locally in VA Beach, with three on the tree was a DGS, so I dunno... May have been announced at the begnning of production then the idea dropped...

[jerrym3]

This thread makes me miss my old 68 Cyclone GT.

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h436/jvmarcone/68%20Cyclone/th_1968cyclone1.jpg (http://s1109.photobucket.com/albums/h436/jvmarcone/68%20Cyclone/?action=view&current=1968cyclone1.jpg)

[CycloneDGS69]

This thread makes me miss my old 68 Cyclone GT.

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h436/jvmarcone/68%20Cyclone/th_1968cyclone1.jpg (http://s1109.photobucket.com/albums/h436/jvmarcone/68%20Cyclone/?action=view&current=1968cyclone1.jpg)
You know I spent the most money restoring the grille, AND I need to look in storage but I bought a suppossed NIB OS all three panals for 125/headlights section X's2 and 400 for the middle section. It did not fit the headlight were different on the 68, So I spent 1500.00 doing the grille BBUTall my friends said it really did the car up and it was the most expensive single thing I did to that car INCLUDING the engine rebuild

[CycloneDGS69]

Correct the aero Spoiler II was only available with 351 4v(BBL carb) & column FMX automatic... The std Spoiler was avail with 351, 390 or 428CJ with or without ram air... Also were avail with three on the tree with the 351(a guy here local had one), and four speed or automatic with the other engines...

The car is legit, is registered in the 1994 Spoiler/Talladega Registry I have...

The 390 IP was used in all '69 Torino, Cyclone, Mustang, Cougar, it's rated at 320Hp, engine code "S" in the VIN... Was basically the same engine as the 335Hp '66-'68 390GT but used the funky Autolite 4bbl carb vs the 600CFM Holley on the earlier engines... Cam is same as 428CJ... Heads have the staggered bolt pattern for the exhaust manifolds but use same size 2.04 & 1.57 valves as the Galaxie, T-Bird, etc 390, ports are smaller than 428CJ heads... I had one in a 390 4-speed Torino GT... I also owned a SpoilerII, 428 CJ Torino GT, 428CJ Fairlane Cobra(still have it, owned since '73), a 428 SCJ Fairlane Cobra & SCJ Fairlane 500...
For some reason I am remember that I had to search far and wide for the correct carb and it was a 3 barrel holley it looked like a 4 barrel but no divider in the secondaries, aas I recall that car was also used for a brief period on Pontiacs that had a 428 does that make sense? I am going to google up that carb and see if I can get some part numbers. But I remember for sure it was called a 3 barrel made by holley. I have seen a CYS advertised for years now in St.louis for 38500 it is a 390 but I dont know the vin so I can't say for sure it qualifies has a "cheater car" but I have been looking for past auction results and I have not found any Spoiler, or II that has hit 30k. Is there anyway to find out who bought the car I used to own, or does RM keep that info classified?

[TFB]

AFAIK no production vehicle ever used the three bbl Holley, most certainly nothing from Ford... Orignal carb would have been the 4300 Autolite... I was running the streets when these cars were new, and saw the originals, not vehicles that were modified a half dozen times over... When I was looking for a used muscle car in '73, few were still original, I got lucky when I found my all original '69 Cobra... Original owner wasn't a gear head, just bought it cause he liked the car, was serviced by his dealer...

A good example is modified vs a all original Marauder on this forum, probably less than half are still near factory, mine certainly isn't...

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&va=4300+Autolite

As far as "cheater", many of the std Spoilers like yours were built and sold well before the production S-II saw light of day and would not have been available for inspection by NASCAR brass...

[CycloneDGS69]

AFAIK no production vehicle ever used the three bbl Holley, most certainly nothing from Ford... Orignal carb would have been the 4300 Autolite... I was running the streets when these cars were new, and saw the originals, not vehicles that were modified a half dozen times over... When I was looking for a used muscle car in '73, few were still original, I got lucky when I found my all original '69 Cobra... Original owner wasn't a gear head, just bought it cause he liked the car, was serviced by his dealer...

A good example is modified vs a all original Marauder on this forum, probably less than half are still near factory, mine certainly isn't...

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&va=4300+Autolite

As far as "cheater", many of the std Spoilers like yours were built and sold well before the production S-II saw light of day and would not have been available for inspection by NASCAR brass...
Well actully this car did not sell till August according to Marti. So I am only guessing that it got snuck into the line up based on the date of build and then the DSO shipping out to Oakland and it selling in Aug. I did find the 3 barrel Holly 3310 and it was being used on 427 SVO engines now I am only guessing about why we looked for that carb and put it on this Spoiler but it was what my mechanic said it came with, and since he is unavailalable to tell me more (he is part of AJ Foyts race team) I can't get him to tell me how he came up with us putting one on it. It could of been that it was a NASCAR thing and he felt it might add a little uniquness to it as opposed to it being the stock carb??? When he gets back to me I will know more. Anyway if you BING holley 3 barrel carb it definatlly is a real deal carb. I got lucky also on a jet boat that a lady had advetised as an air boat, It had a Predator carb on it, and her son play football for the 49ers, He bought her a new Caddy and told her to sell the boat so the caddy could go in the garage, Said it was aa 455 Olds. When I blew it up I found out it was a 425 b/c it had a steel crank and had about 5k in mods done to it. Boy was I sick. All I did was change the oil 6qts and of course it had a Moroso pan that sticked out full of oil but when I jumped on it all the oil went to the back and I spun the bearing thee blew it up. That Predator carb was what made me buy it though and it was a 1 barrel.

[CycloneDGS69]

Why do you think there are only 54 known W nose cars listed in the registry? That was another reason I figured it to be part of the cheater cars , but then there is Marti who reports more or less what you point out ? I just took the pie chart in the registry and figured by the date code and the sale date that the car must of been part of the NASCAR inspection day but I guess now that could be a stretch but the dates you have to admit make it possible. I know this much. I got so caught up in the auction that day I ended up buying the worst car I ever owned. Oh the irony. Going from the best car I ever owned to the worst all in the same day. :stupid:

[CycloneDGS69]

I had to put this separate. THE WORST CAR I EVER OWNED WAS A 1967 F/I ROLLS ROYCE. I bought it the same day I sold the DGS in the same auction about 30 cars after mine rolled through. Now don't get me wrong I never thought a Rolls would ever be parked in my drive way but auction fever can be a nasty prediciment. I was all excited knowing I had enough money to buy something and my dad has always had a thing for the RR. (you know why the Brits don't make computers? That have not figured out away to make'em leak oil.) But this Maroon Silver Shadow rolled on to the stage and me being part Aggie just started bidding on it. You if you did'nt know Texas A&M colors are maroon and I figured being close to College Station I could turn it for a quick profit, after all I just sold a 8800 car for 34k so I was an expert. Yes Sir. and at the very least I had a RR. Well I never had seen porceline fuses and this car had a little electrical problem,mind you I said a little. I got the car home know problems and called my GENUIS brother in-law over to help look at the electrical, afterall he install kitchen appliances and Home A/C heater units (although he had just burned down a house well the attic anyway) So he has the ability I thought to trace wires and get the horn and passanger seat working. So after explaining the problem and what I thought he could do to help I head off to NAPA for some old type glass fuses and to see if they could get the porceline wrap a wire around the top kind ordered for me. Well He in his infinate wisdom decided to wrap foil around the fuses that where blowing (Remember his awesome credidentials) when I got back from the parts run I saw the smoke from the gate, my gosh what had happend, Yeap he figured that he could trace it out by wrapping foil around the fuses instead of just sticking a nickle, or penny in the socket like any good shade tree mechanic does, forget the fact it was a Rolls, and well I will leave the rest to your imagination. I blew a fuse that day too. :mad2:

[CycloneDGS69]

AFAIK no production vehicle ever used the three bbl Holley, most certainly nothing from Ford... Orignal carb would have been the 4300 Autolite... I was running the streets when these cars were new, and saw the originals, not vehicles that were modified a half dozen times over... When I was looking for a used muscle car in '73, few were still original, I got lucky when I found my all original '69 Cobra... Original owner wasn't a gear head, just bought it cause he liked the car, was serviced by his dealer...

A good example is modified vs a all original Marauder on this forum, probably less than half are still near factory, mine certainly isn't...

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&va=4300+Autolite

As far as "cheater", many of the std Spoilers like yours were built and sold well before the production S-II saw light of day and would not have been available for inspection by NASCAR brass...
TFB would'nt it be cool if we could go back in time 1963ish and hook up some NO to moms stationwagon take it to the track and sneeky pete the poop outa that 55 black widow?

[TFB]

Why do you think there are only 54 known W nose cars listed in the registry? That was another reason I figured it to be part of the cheater cars , but then there is Marti who reports more or less what you point out ? I just took the pie chart in the registry and figured by the date code and the sale date that the car must of been part of the NASCAR inspection day but I guess now that could be a stretch but the dates you have to admit make it possible. I know this much. I got so caught up in the auction that day I ended up buying the worst car I ever owned. Oh the irony. Going from the best car I ever owned to the worst all in the same day. :stupid:

Back in '94 when the registry was published there was no i-net to exchange info, there are no doubt far more than 54 still out there... The DGS in Va Bch I mentioned and a local CYS that was junked aren't in the registry(I have the door tag from it)...

The Marti report is from Marti Auto Works in AZ, he has the rights to the Ford production records from '67 till up into the 90s...

http://www.martiauto.com/itemselection.cfm?item=REP-2&selecteditem=yes#image

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I did find the 3 barrel Holly 3310 and it was being used on 427 SVO engines now I am only guessing about why we looked for that carb and put it on this Spoiler but it was what my mechanic said it came with, and since he is unavailalable to tell me more (he is part of AJ Foyts race team) I can't get him to tell me how he came up with us putting one on it. It could of been that it was a NASCAR thing and he felt it might add a little uniquness to it as opposed to it being the stock carb???

The 3310 is a 750CFM four barrel carb, a good choice for a 390, probably chosen because the Autolite 4300 is basically a POS... The three bbl were basically race carbs smallest being 950Cfm(too much for a street engine)most factory manifolds had to be cut for the secondaries to function...

http://www.holley.com/0-3310C.asp

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Do you still have something you run 1/4 mile with? Where and how often? I am schedueled to tenitivlly go to W.VA in May for a irrigation job on a golf Course there. You know how things change but it is a 3month job and I'm sure I could find sometime to come out and work in your pit. it's a long way down the road but sure would like to meet you.

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I've raced once down in NC in the last two years & that was with the Marauder( I won), no hauler, no crew(maybe a buddy or nephew tagging along), I always drive it to the track... Pit work consists of checking the air in the tires and maybe a cool down(open hood), unless something breaks no work/maintenance is performed... When I was racing my 5.0 '88 T-Bird, was same except it has a soft/firm switch for the suspension that I had to flip...

I don't race my old Cobra Jet(at least not in 15 years)... Except for running a 1968 600CFM Holley 390GT carb(and you wondered how I knew about such LOL), it's still stock... The 600 is only on it because it has better street manners than the original 735 that is safely put away... Externally they are identical so unless I mention it's not orig, no one knows the difference...

I'll probably be in Lewisburg WV area sometime this spring/summer, I've been taking my mom to a alumni dinner for her HS the last few years, but currently the date is up in the air... Because the date isn't definite, she's saying "I ain't goin", but we'll see...

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My brother in law owns a W nose Cale Yarlborough, beautiful car.

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Beautiful car you had :beer: