Head Work - At Zack's

[kmastl]

That's what she said...

Okay, here is the progress of my car at zacks
http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57126

I am getting a passenger's side head from a guy in SC. Both that one and my drivers side one will be worked at a machine shop.

Also going in are these 1998 cobra intake cams..
Thanks musclemerc for the part #'s
Hoping to get the acclaimed 20 wrhp gain
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9278/photo1ve.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/photo1ve.jpg/)

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Also getting an experimental Zack cooling mod.. :banana2:

[Motorhead350]

Hurry up so he can work on my wreck. hahaha

Good luck man!

[RacerX]

Nice. Thought you were using the heads in the pic for a sec!

Proper Timesert installation BTW: http://www.modularheadshop.com/Articles/timesert.htm

[LANDY]

Wow that looked rough, you should warn other people about the dealer or at least let the service manager of the dealership know so he can take care of businesses inside his place.
good deal about the fix I would like to see the HP difference after the came go in.

[musclemerc]

Good Job!!! Glad I can help you out.

Good thing they came with the bolts... The 03 cam bolts will not work so you needed those
Zack will have you running in no time. Remember 4* advance on the intake cams

[massacre]

^^^^ +1

I advanced my intake cams 4 degrees also

[BUCKWHEAT]

Great, when you git 'er together, lets hit the track & go nose to nose. Oh, wait. The locall track went bankrupt.

I guess we will have to use the "private" track near your place!

Regards,
John

[FormulaMarauder]

I find it amazing that the moderators here are keeping Zack from this board. All combined, he probably has forgotten more about our cars then they know. The fact that he can't post here is a huge, huge, hit to the MM enthusiast community.

I'm not stirring the pot here, I just wish they would rethink their decisions. I've seriously learned most everything about my car and the possiblilities it has by just browsing through his posts. I never met him, but he has helped me countless times.
I don't care if he is an asshat or church saint, this forum is about the cars. If someones feelings gets hurt, or if it gets to a personal level, it shouldn't matter. That's what moderators and the "edit" button are for.

Good luck w/the build, I'm guessing the cams and the headwork if internally and externally honed, will yield more than 20rwph. Keep us updated will ya?

[musclemerc]

Well said...

[MMBLUE]

I 2nd that.

[kmastl]

UPDATE
The car is back from Zack's. Everything worked out. I also have the new Zack cooling mod, along with a new passenger side head, and 98 cobra cams (advanced 4 Deg).

I would like to thank everyone that helped me out. Including but now limited to: Musclemerc, RacerX, BODYMAN and Zack.

Washed it up today
http://i51.tinypic.com/auul5.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/9k5kxj.jpg

[MOTOWN]

is there a noticeble difference with the new cams?

[LANDY]

nice, when is dyno day?

[kmastl]

Other than the rough idle and needing a re-tune. I can definitely feel a little more pick up. Also the exhaust note seems slightly louder and a little lopey on a cold start.

Coming from the man himself:
"The car is finally done, omg.

Never has a car kicked my ass like this one.
Ended up Installing 98 Cobra Cams advanced 4 degrees using Cloyed HP-9 Gears.

Ive driven probably close to one hundred Marauders over the years.....this is hands down the fastest NA Marauder Ive had the pleasure to drive."

In the next few weeks I am going to get a 3 muffler setup like babbage's and a dyno tune.


is there a noticeble difference with the new cams?

[MOTOWN]

sounds like a good deal! i wondered if it was a worth while mod, glad you got it back together.

[knine]

You had the best man on the job. :2thumbs:

[Mike]

You had the best man on the job. :2thumbs:

^^Without a doubt^^^ :bows: :bows: :bows:

[musclemerc]

Other than the rough idle and needing a re-tune. I can definitely feel a little more pick up. Also the exhaust note seems slightly louder and a little lopey on a cold start.

Coming from the man himself:
"The car is finally done, omg.

Never has a car kicked my ass like this one.
Ended up Installing 98 Cobra Cams advanced 4 degrees using Cloyed HP-9 Gears.

Ive driven probably close to one hundred Marauders over the years.....this is hands down the fastest NA Marauder Ive had the pleasure to drive."

In the next few weeks I am going to get a 3 muffler setup like babbage's and a dyno tune.


Good to hear everything worked out for you and the Merc. :burnout:

[RacerX]

Awesome! :D Wish Zack was near so he could take mine for a spin! ;)

[massacre]

Ended up Installing 98 Cobra Cams advanced 4 degrees using Cloyed HP-9 Gears.

4 degees from what?

[babbage]

Other than the rough idle and needing a re-tune. I can definitely feel a little more pick up. Also the exhaust note seems slightly louder and a little lopey on a cold start.

Coming from the man himself:
"The car is finally done, omg.

Never has a car kicked my ass like this one.
Ended up Installing 98 Cobra Cams advanced 4 degrees using Cloyed HP-9 Gears.

Ive driven probably close to one hundred Marauders over the years.....this is hands down the fastest NA Marauder Ive had the pleasure to drive."

In the next few weeks I am going to get a 3 muffler setup like babbage's and a dyno tune.

Glad you got her back - dyno tune should be the icing on the cake!
Good luck with the exhaust - pm me if you want partnumbers for what I used on the 3 muffler setup (one is really an X pipe)

[massacre]

I repeat......
4 degrees from what?

[RacerX]

Yeah, some of us know... I'll have to see if I can borrow your eyes and tools when I start my stroker...

[BODYMAN]

I find it amazing that the moderators here are keeping Zack from this board. All combined, he probably has forgotten more about our cars then they know. The fact that he can't post here is a huge, huge, hit to the MM enthusiast community.

I'm not stirring the pot here, I just wish they would rethink their decisions. I've seriously learned most everything about my car and the possiblilities it has by just browsing through his posts. I never met him, but he has helped me countless times.
I don't care if he is an asshat or church saint, this forum is about the cars. If someones feelings gets hurt, or if it gets to a personal level, it shouldn't matter. That's what moderators and the "edit" button are for.

Good luck w/the build, I'm guessing the cams and the headwork if internally and externally honed, will yield more than 20rwph. Keep us updated will ya?

+1 on Zack more knowledge there they you can beleive.

[musclemerc]

4 degees from what?


I repeat......
4 degrees from what?

Massacre, you know the answer to this question, remember the thread on Mach1registry.org?

He did a dot-to-dot install with a 4* advance. I know the right way to do it is with a degree wheel, but as we discussed the 03~04 HP tolerence's are alot closer than earlier DOHC's. I guess we gotta wait on new dyno number's to see his gains :beer::beer:

[BODYMAN]

UPDATE
The car is back from Zack's. Everything worked out. I also have the new Zack cooling mod, along with a new passenger side head, and 98 cobra cams (advanced 4 Deg).

I would like to thank everyone that helped me out. Including but now limited to: Musclemerc, RacerX, BODYMAN and Zack.

Washed it up today
http://i51.tinypic.com/auul5.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/9k5kxj.jpg


Glad it worked out Ken! and a big thanks to you for taking mine to him for me that was a huge help to me also. It was a pleasure meeting U also.:beer:

[massacre]

Yeah, some of us know...

That is my point......

Oh yeah, he's the best in the business, supposedly......:shake:

How can you possibly advance camshafts when you don't even know what you're advancing from?

You HAVE TO degree the cams first to make sure that they are the same bank to bank, and have the correct CL. Then, AND ONLY THEN can you make any adjustments.

at least to do it right, and actually know what you actually changed.

Let's say the stock cams were 2 degrees retarded from the factory(and endless research shows that this likely is the case, mine were actually 4 degrees off), now your 2 degree "advance" is actually only 2 degrees advanced(or in my case, "advancing" them in this way would just bring me right back to stock 114).
You have to get both banks to 114 ILCL, then advance the intake cams so that you get 110(for 4 degrees advance) on both sides.

Anything else is amature-ish at best, and I am using a euphemism here.

[massacre]

Massacre, you know the answer to this question, remember the thread on Mach1registry.org?

He did a dot-to-dot install with a 4* advance. I know the right way to do it is with a degree wheel, but as we discussed the 03~04 HP tolerence's are alot closer than earlier DOHC's. I guess we gotta wait on new dyno number's to see his gains :beer::beer:


Actually, he never answered my question, because he has absolutely no idea.
How do you know it is "dot-to-dot"? He didn't measure it, so how do you know?
And when you say "dot-to-dot"(an expression I have never heard in the modular world until fairly recently, and it is kind of silly), do mean 114 degree centerline?

I have '03 Terminator heads and they were 4 degrees off from the factory.
And that was measured with quality precision tools. So there goes your wasted hope on the '03+ stuff being dead nuts from the factory.
My '94 B-heads were only 2 degrees off. So again, not always.

^^^^ this is the reason why Zack has such a big following here, but has been perma-banned from all the big sites, I finally figured it out:

You guys just aren't as knowledgeable about matters such as this, and you just blindly trust that he advanced your cams 4 degrees, but I just proved to you that he has no idea what advancements he actually made, since he did not get any baseline first.
Me?
The minute I saw that he was installing adj. cam gears on my motor without degreeing them first, I would have told him to put the car back together, and taken it to a shop that would do it right.

But if you don't know what "right" is, how do you know?

You guys can hate if you want, but do some research on cam degreeing, and you'll see that I'm right, like me or not.

[BODYMAN]

Zack & I discussed cams on my build and he agreed 100% we wouldnt do them with out degreeing at a machine shop.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

LoL massacre...how many MM supercharger installs and motor tear downs have YOU done? Better yet, how many total MMs have you driven, period?

[massacre]

Zack & I discussed cams on my build and he agreed 100% we wouldnt do them with out degreeing at a machine shop.

You don't have to degree cams at a machine shop.
I did my first ones with hand tools, in an unheated garage, in the winter, before reliable adjustable cam gears were even on the market.

I just wish Zack would buy the proper tools and learn how to degree cams.
It would benefit him, and anyone who brings their cars to him.

Why don't you guys take up a collection and buy him some for his birthday, or something?

I can make up a decent tool list if you're interested.....

[CBT]

You don't have to degree cams at a machine shop.
I did my first ones with hand tools, in an unheated garage, in the winter, before reliable adjustable cam gears were even on the market.

I just wish Zack would buy the proper tools and learn how to degree cams.
It would benefit him, and anyone who brings their cars to him.

Why don't you guys take up a collection and buy him some for his birthday, or something?

I can make up a decent tool list if you're interested.....

I can things of 3 tools right now that should go on it.....

[musclemerc]

LoL massacre...how many MM supercharger installs and motor tear downs have YOU done? Better yet, how many total MMs have you driven, period?

Actually he's VERY knowlegable and has alot under his belt. He has'nt been very active in discussion in the past few year's here, but believe me, he know's his DOHC's


That is my point......

Oh yeah, he's the best in the business, supposedly......:shake:

How can you possibly advance camshafts when you don't even know what you're advancing from?

You HAVE TO degree the cams first to make sure that they are the same bank to bank, and have the correct CL. Then, AND ONLY THEN can you make any adjustments.

at least to do it right, and actually know what you actually changed.

Let's say the stock cams were 2 degrees retarded from the factory(and endless research shows that this likely is the case, mine were actually 4 degrees off), now your 2 degree "advance" is actually only 2 degrees advanced(or in my case, "advancing" them in this way would just bring me right back to stock 114).
You have to get both banks to 114 ILCL, then advance the intake cams so that you get 110(for 4 degrees advance) on both sides.

Anything else is amature-ish at best, and I am using a euphemism here.

I completely agree with you on the degree'ing, but there heve been many gains posted on non-degreed cam swaps, yes alot of power is left on the garage floor by not degreeing them but gains are still there.... Either way.

[Smalldogg/03mm]

Great, when you git 'er together, lets hit the track & go nose to nose. Oh, wait. The locall track went bankrupt.

I guess we will have to use the "private" track near your place!

Regards,
John

No u guy may be able to go I here moroso investment partners, a group that owns Palm beach, Fla. International raceway.. If they buy it will be way better ran.. Sorry for off sub...

[RacerX]

"Dot To Dot" is NOT the best way to realize full potential of any engine, but, will not hurt anything. That expression is actually a Ford, Lincoln, Mercury term and is a strict adherance to the FLM engine service instructions. Degreeing IS recommended, but, not a necessity. I agree with you Rob on the fact that degreeing is smart and easy enough with the tools. Will you lose a few ponies by not doing it, probably. Will you hurt the engine by not degreeing? No. 4 degrees really isn't that much. You can advance about 10 degrees before having to start to worry about PTV. Rob is a really good guy btw, just anal! Which, if he were building my engine, I would want! :D :beer:

[massacre]

LoL massacre...how many MM supercharger installs and motor tear downs have YOU done? Better yet, how many total MMs have you driven, period?


This thread is about cam timing.
Supercharger installs and motor teardowns have NOTHING to do with what we're discussing here.
Please take your blind nutswinging to another, more appropriate thread.

Don't make this mistake:

Don't just assume that because you don't know what I'm up to, that it means for a second that I don't know what I'm doing.

And I've done more blower installs and motor teardowns/rebuilds than I care to count. How about turbos? Do those count? Single? Twin? BB strokers? 5.4?
So now you're asking me for a resume'? bwahahahaha

I am not an attention whore. I am not someone who comes on the internet and plasters up "look what I can do" posts every time they do something new to their car, or someone else's car.
In fact I go out of my way to be a subtle pimp. I hide everything. I paint everything black. Looking at my car, I try to attract the LEAST amount of attention possible.

It's funny, in one of his very rude PMs to me on Mach1registry(apparently the only site he hasn't been banned from), Zack said(and this is copied/pasted):
You've been building some sort of project for years and never told the public about it. As far as Im concerned it doesnt exist.

^^^ THIS is the combination of ignorance/arrogance that should be illegal.
So just because HE doesn't know about my car, it doesn't exist?
Get the F over yourself, please.....:shake:

So, on topic:

Stock intake lobe centerline should be 114 degrees, stock, on both sides, with TDC on the crankshaft verified.
Only then can you be sure that you are actually advancing the cams the proper amount.
Look- we're only talking a couple of degrees here, that's true.....
but when 4 degrees means so much, a degree or two can make a big difference.

[massacre]

I can things of 3 tools right now that should go on it.....

Please feel free to post up, CBT.

[massacre]

I completely agree with you on the degree'ing, but there heve been many gains posted on non-degreed cam swaps, yes alot of power is left on the garage floor by not degreeing them but gains are still there.... Either way.

Think of it like this:

4 degrees = ~20RWHP.

So let's say for every degree you are off, it costs you 5 RWHP. And with the 4V, since the intake cam is driven by the exhaust cam, if the exhaust cam is off 1 degree, and the intake cam is off 1 degree, now you're off 2 degrees, and that just cost you 1/2 of your potential HP gain.

While you're down there, while you've got everything apart, why does it not make sense that if you're going through the time and expense to try and get the best bang for your buck, get the most HP/$$$ why you wouldn't want to make sure you got every degree(and HP) that you paid for?

[BODYMAN]

No u guy may be able to go I here moroso investment partners, a group that owns Palm beach, Fla. International raceway.. If they buy it will be way better ran.. Sorry for off sub...

Well off subject also Smalldog I know something but cant say. all Ill say is theres gonna be something out my way Ive even been talking to the one of the guys about helping them in tech. As soon as they say its ok I will post up about it. Being GIR was over hour that kept me from going. This looks like bits gonna be right in my backyard. Its the old bunch from MAR.

[kmastl]

I am the owner of the car and the one who made all decisions on what was done to it.
After reading posts from NA SVT and consulting with Zack, I could not afford the 8 Hours of labor required to degree the cams. (and that amount of time was quoted by NA SVT for an experienced cam degreeing tech with the engine still in the car)

This is a $150 mod that is proven to make power, regardless of degreeing.
The car runs good and Im happy with it.

[massacre]

I am very glad that you are happy with your car.

I'm sorry that you couldn't afford the degreeing, I degree cams for my friends all the time, for free. Guess I forgot some people charge for that..lol.

I'm sure your car will run great, and prob. pick up some HP.
But for $150 (did that include Zack's labor to install them)?
would you rather have a ~5 HP gain, or a ~20 HP gain?

Like I said, you guys should all pitch in and get Zack some nice tools to degree cams.
It will only benefit you(his customers) in the long run.

[kmastl]

I am very glad that you are happy with your car.

I'm sorry that you couldn't afford the degreeing, I degree cams for my friends all the time, for free. Guess I forgot some people charge for that..lol.

I'm sure your car will run great, and prob. pick up some HP.
But for $150 (did that include Zack's labor to install them)?
would you rather have a ~5 HP gain, or a ~20 HP gain?

Like I said, you guys should all pitch in and get Zack some nice tools to degree cams.
It will only benefit you(his customers) in the long run.

I shouldn't say not afford it as much as chose against it.
Zack didn't change me anything extra to install these since the heads were already taken off the car to go to the machine shop to be redone.

[massacre]

^^^ Cool deal.

I'm definitely not disrespecting your car.
I hope you make the 20RWHP, man, really I do.
I'm more against the method than anything(meaning the improper method).
And yes, I can be anal about things, but when you're trying to get things perfect, you gotta be that way.

Only thing is, dyno sheet isn't going to show degreed/non-degreed results only, since the heads went to the machine shop as well.

Either way, glad to hear it all worked out.

[kmastl]

^^^ Cool deal.

I'm definitely not disrespecting your car.
I hope you make the 20RWHP, man, really I do.
I'm more against the method than anything(meaning the improper method).
And yes, I can be anal about things, but when you're trying to get things perfect, you gotta be that way.

Only thing is, dyno sheet isn't going to show degreed/non-degreed results only, since the heads went to the machine shop as well.

Either way, glad to hear it all worked out.

Agreed also since my last dyno visit i have had the tranny rebuilt and rear end rebuit.

To get the most accurate results of the gains of these cams or any mod its best to keep all other things constant. Definately not the case since I have had nearly the entire powertrain rebuilt and 4.10s installed.

[massacre]

I have had nearly the entire powertrain rebuilt and 4.10s installed.


Hey, there's nothing wrong with that! ^^^^^
Good luck, man. Your car is gonna rip. I'm sure you'll be more than happy with it. :beer:

[Rocknthehawk]

LoL massacre...how many MM supercharger installs and motor tear downs have YOU done? Better yet, how many total MMs have you driven, period?

:lol:

way to make yourself look like a fool.

+1 on respect for massacre

[MMBLUE]

I 2nd that.

[MOTOWN]

hell i third it! massacre actually knows what he is talking about, i love the "subtle" approach, if you realy know your sh**t no need to hollar look at me to every site you get banned from.

[babbage]

Main point is I think that his car is fixed and has better parts than before and some advance in the timing. To Degree would be better but more costly..

NA SVT is Nick at Modular Head Shop - would have been good to let him set it up. ($$$) I'd like to send a brandy new Aluminator to MHS for a head port and some advanced cams.

[musclemerc]

Sorry but NA SVT is Todd, he works out of his garage mostly PSRI's, P&P, cam spec's
Nick is Nick Mckinney he runs modularheadshop
Modularspeed does alot of engine work and P&P work too

3 totally diffrent people

[babbage]

Sorry but NA SVT is Todd, he works out of his garage mostly PSRI's, P&P, cam spec's
Nick is Nick Mckinney he runs modularheadshop
Modularspeed does alot of engine work and P&P work too

3 totally diffrent people

My bad Nick and Todd confused sorry, thanks for the clarification.

[massacre]

Main point is I think that his car is fixed and has better parts than before and some advance in the timing.

Agreed ^^^.
Car being fixed and driveable in this case was the best outcome.
"some" advance seems to have been an improvement, which is obviously a good thing.
But seriously guys, the '96-'98 Cobra cams in the late C-heads has been around for like 5-7 years. It wasn't until modularspeed posted before and after dynos that it became a huge thing. Glad it finally caught on over here.


To Degree would be better but more costly..

What you will realize as you get more into it, is that degreeing is essential.
It is not "better".
In order to advance 4V cams correctly, you have to know what you are advancing FROM.
And it might be a little bit more costly, but to take advantage of your HP/$ it prob ends up being the same in the end because your motor will run more efficiently. Everyone is just saying that it's OK from the factory, when my research shows otherwise. Please, anyone here who has degreed their stock cams, please post up your readings.
I have.


NA SVT is Nick at Modular Head Shop

Pretty sure you're wrong about that one, friend. ^^^^

And I have installed Nick McKinney's cams, they were a dream to install.
2V though, huge cams with huge springs. Haven't done any of his 4V cams yet, but I have a feeling I will be doing some in the near future....

Look,
what we're all talking about here, is as simple as an "accumulation of machine tolerances" from the factory.
Between all the sprockets(5) and their corresponding keways/ integral keys, chains, tensioners, etc. if they're all off a couple thou.....it stacks up, and at the valve retainer, that "accumulation of machine tolerances" shows up @ the retainer. That is where you're measuring your valve lift from.
You're taking a reading from the crankshaft(after determining true crank TDC with a piston stop) and making sure that the cams are at the right place, at the right time, in relation to the crankshaft, and where it happens to be in its rotation. Advancing the intake cams means you are opening the intake valves sooner, trying to(and succeeding in) filling the cylinders more efficiently with the intake charge.

[Motorhead350]

:lol:

way to make yourself look like a fool.

+1 on respect for massacre

I disagree.

Zack is the best and always will be.

[massacre]

I disagree.

Zack is the best and always will be.

Dom do your research and you will see that I am right.

It's not about who's "best" at all.

I'm not in competition with anyone here (or not here, as the case may be).

It's about machinery, it's about factory parts and how they fit together as a whole.

Please learn to put aside our past differences(I have), and look at it objectively.

This isn't about personalities, it's about assembly line parts, and their measurements, nothing more.

Either it measures correctly, or it doesn't.
Most of the time, it doesn't.

Has nothing to do with any personal feelings I may have towards anyone.
The machinery comes first, way more important than silly personal garbage....;)

[MOTOWN]

massacre is correct, plain, and simple, not to say i wouldnt do a dot-dot installation because i have, but as stated if you want a true baseline of where you are you must use a degree wheel.

[Motorhead350]

Fine. Zack is the best to me. It's all subjective anyway.

[massacre]

Fine. Zack is the best to me. It's all subjective anyway.

While i disagree with what you say, I would defend with my life your right to say it....
haha. J/K Dom. If he's the best to you, I don't really see the squabble here.

Seriously, there's nothing personal here.
What I'm talking about here is purely technical in nature. It mostly has to do with steel.:)

I gotta say this:
From now on, the term "dot-to-dot" Will be hitherto referred to as its proper term...
"crystal ball".

I prefer the term "straight up". Been used forever.

Straight Up refers to a stock 114 intake centerline, 114 exhaust centerline.

[Motorhead350]

I like Marauders.

[massacre]

I like Marauders.

^^^ You know, I've heard that about you.........

[Motorhead350]

^^^ You know, I've heard that about you.........

Oh dear. Hopefully you don't know about the "other" stuff. :o

At least we both like Dick. Dick Dale that is.

[massacre]

Modularspeed does alot of engine work and P&P work too

BTW Travis,
modularspeed used to have his own company and website. I own some cam degreeing tools that I actually bought from him way back then.

They are freaking awesome tools, I am trying to get him to make some more of them. Would you be willing to take the plunge?

[massacre]

Oh dear. Hopefully you don't know about the "other" stuff. :o

At least we both like Dick. Dick Dale that is.

Ha ha
I do have a guitar-string related question to ask you, I'll either start a new thread, or Pm you.

[Motorhead350]

Ha ha
I do have a guitar-string related question to ask you, I'll either start a new thread, or Pm you.

Make a thread. If I don't know others might be able to help. If I do know we could teach everyone a lesion. I know we aren't the only guitar players on the site.

Van Halen tuned in drop D if that's the question. :D

Green Day made good music when they turned down half a step and Billie Joe played a Fernandez strat copy.

[musclemerc]

BTW Travis,
modularspeed used to have his own company and website. I own some cam degreeing tools that I actually bought from him way back then.

They are freaking awesome tools, I am trying to get him to make some more of them. Would you be willing to take the plunge?

Yeah I know, he ran his own shop for a little while. I ended up with one of his P&P intakes (he does and amazing job)

I would love to do the full degree with a writeup, If you want to help me accomplish that I would be in your debt. Let me know what I can do with the heads and front dress in place

Thanks!

[RacerX]

Hey Rob, was it Nick who found that a lot of the centerline errors from factory were related more to the cam keyway routing not being exact from cam to cam. Just like anything mass produced, there will be imperfections. You wouldn't just go buy an AR-15 and go right to a competition with it. ;) Well... some might!

[RF Overlord]

Dick Dale that is.God bless him...73 years old and STILL rocks harder than any of today's so-called "musicians".

[burt ragio]

Where can I find a good article on how to degree a four valve ?

[RacerX]

2v and 4v are similar enough that if you get one, you get the other. Modularheadshop has a good article:
http://www.modularheadshop.com/Articles/Cam%20degree.htm
Good article from Crane:
http://www.cranecams.com/uploads/instructions/803.pdf
Cam Degree Tool list and some pics...
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php/163691-Cam-Degree-Tools-List

[musclemerc]

RacerX......

You are becomming a library of information. Keep up the research!

[RacerX]

:D Why thank ya! I have almost 1 Gb of Docs/pdfs, pics, instructions, links, etc. on mod motors and related.

[massacre]

post deleted: look for the cam timing thread

[Baaad GN]

It seems when ever a person write'S Zack did this or did that the SAME PEOPLE jump into the thread to tear it part. Now if ya don't like Zack fine but your looking foolish!

[RacerX]

It seems when ever a person write'S Zack did this or did that the SAME PEOPLE jump into the thread to tear it part. Now if ya don't like Zack fine but your looking foolish!
It's over, stop bringing it up. If you knew the reason, you'd understand. Let's all move on shall we? :beer:
P.S. You ever have two friends, that like you and you like them, but, they don't like each other? nuff said...

[massacre]

Yeah I know, he ran his own shop for a little while. I ended up with one of his P&P intakes (he does and amazing job)

I would love to do the full degree with a writeup, If you want to help me accomplish that I would be in your debt. Let me know what I can do with the heads and front dress in place

Thanks!

Travis, you'll have to remove the front cover to do this correctly, in car, or not.

[BODYMAN]

It seems when ever a person write'S Zack did this or did that the SAME PEOPLE jump into the thread to tear it part. Now if ya don't like Zack fine but your looking foolish!

Iam kinda with ya on that my interactions with Zack have never been bad. He is the type who tells it like it is he is very blunt it is just his personality. It is not a bad trait its just Zack. :beer: but knowing him it is sometimes hard to see the same folks everytime quick to the draw. If he didnt know anything why has he done so much????

[massacre]

It's over, stop bringing it up. If you knew the reason, you'd understand. Let's all move on shall we? :beer:


+ 65,000!

This nutswinging is getting in the way of perfectly good tech.
My posts in this thread have nothing to do with any personal feelings, I tried to make that QUITE clear.
Should we just start a new Cam Timing thread?

BTW Bill, nice links there. Notice that the Moroso 18" wheel is highly touted amongst those that are in the know ;)
hehe.

[BODYMAN]

It's over, stop bringing it up. If you knew the reason, you'd understand. Let's all move on shall we? :beer:
P.S. You ever have two friends, that like you and you like them, but, they don't like each other? nuff said...

Racer you summed it up right there lets all just move along, Iam at fault myself for falling into the pile of trash.

[Rocknthehawk]

I disagree.

Zack is the best and always will be.


Dom, next time you quote me, try to understand what I was saying.

My post said nothing about Z. The post I quoted didn't either.

Ask the airplane mechanic how many planes he has flown. see how that works out. Does that make him less knowledgable of airplane engines or how to work on them?

again, where did I say Massacre was any better or worse than Z? I didn't.

[Motorhead350]

God bless him...73 years old and STILL rocks harder than any of today's so-called "musicians".

I second that. God only knows what he was like in the 60s!

[Motorhead350]

Dom, next time you quote me, try to understand what I was saying.

My post said nothing about Z. The post I quoted didn't either.

Ask the airplane mechanic how many planes he has flown. see how that works out. Does that make him less knowledgable of airplane engines or how to work on them?

again, where did I say Massacre was any better or worse than Z? I didn't.

Alright so I misunderstood you. Now is there is a reason you like to post a spellng error I made everytime you make a post?