My "S.A.E Corrected" Dyno Results:

[BillyGman]

I just went back to that place that Dynoed my Marauder last week, and here is the result of my previous Dyno run again, but this time in the "SAE corrected" measurement. I didn't have to have the car Dynoed again just like MAC said, but these guys at this place weren't acustomed to giving people a second print out in the "SAE" configuration, and they acted as if though they were doing me a huge favor. I also noticed that this new chart that was given to me lists "wheel speed" instead of RPM's which seems worhtless to me.

However the main thing is that now we can see what my #'s are as compared to others on this board who have had Dyno tests done for their N/A Marauders.........

Note that these readings show 12.9 HP less, and 13.5 ft/lbs of Torque less than the same test that was performed, but measured in "Actual" HP, and TQ.

So bottom line is, my car is showing 306.9 RWHP and 322 RWTQ for the "Actual" reading, and 294 RWHP, and 309.4 RWTQ for the "SAE Corrected" reading. So you can take your pick as to what you choose to pay attention to.

[BillyGman]

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[Zack]

Its still good!!

[BillyGman]

Does anyone know who has the highest "SAE" Dyno #'s on this board among us N/A Marauder guys??? And not only "who", but what are the #'s???

[Logan]

Currently, that'd be Taf I believe. Mostly cuz I haven't been back to the dyno to put him in his place yet... ;)

Your numbers look pretty much like what I expect from my machine N/A that is... My Supercharger's sitting in the garage just waitin' to get bolted up. :)

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by BillyGman
So bottom line is, my car is showing...294 RWHP, and 309.4 RWTQ for the "SAE Corrected" reading.

These are great numbers, Billy. Your 294 RWHP has been seen here before, but your 309.4 RWTQ has not.

Now you have honest numbers that you need not defend to anyone. How you got these numbers, will help them get there too. I know you liked other results more, Billy, this has happened to me too. But, now you have dyno numbers you can be proud of, and no one can challenge them. They are portable, you can carry these numbers anywhere you go.

Congrats, my friend. Highest RWTQ ever seen here, with your mods. Now get ready for all the "how did you do that?" e-mail.

This is just another example of how dyno operators are so willing to do business that pleases you. Once you get your "lifetime best" from one dyno, no other will compare in quality.

Y'all get this now, eh? How you need to pick your dyno like you pick your doctor? What do you want to hear here? One who tells you the truth, or, one who tells you what you want to hear?

[FordNut]

Billy,
I believe Todd had 294 hp too. I think his tranny & T/C is still stock.
Do you have underdrive pulleys yet?

Brian

edit: Seeing Todd's post on down the thread (284hp/319tq), I reckon you have the hp record but he has the torque numbers.

[BillyGman]

for your replies, and answers to my questions, and for all of you being here to help me. My motive for posting these results is to help other members as well. Some temporary minor bragging rights here are always pleasant sure, but bragging is definately not my main objective here at all.

LOGAN, the way I see it, you should have very close to the same #'s that I have, BEFORE you have your supercharger installed since to my knowledge, every mod that I've performed on my car that effects HP & TQ @the wheels is the same as you've done to your car, w/the exception of the mufflers. However even though you have 14" mufflers, and I have the 18" ones, the fact remains that both of these are the same straight- thru design, and both are Magnaflow mufflers. Therefore the back pressure reduction from both the 14" and 18" ones should be very similar. Good luck w/your S/Cer install!!!!! You must be Psyched about that.;)

MAC, I agree w/you 100%. I'm quite surprised how this Dyno place that I went to is soooo quick to give you the "Actual" HP & TQ #'s, while at the same time they're also sooooooo hesitant to want to give up the "SAE Corrected" #'s from those same exact tests. That doesn't say much for them. :rolleyes:

I'm just glad that I was able to spend the extra cash to have this Dyno performed, so I could get the #'s for my own curiousity, as well as for informational purposes for the rest of my fellow board members.

FORDNUT, no, I don't have the underdrive pulleys yet. All the mods that I have performed to this car, are all listed in my signature below, and IMO it looks like there isn't anyplace else for me to go w/this car to get any significant additional power gains from it short of installing a supercharger. Unless ofcourse Dennis Reinhart, or one of our other respectable and trustworthy vendors can come up w/some other mods in the future that aren't yet available now.

[FordNut]

Billy,
I had before & after dyno pulls when I got the pulleys installed. It added 10 hp, basically actoss the entire rpm band tested.

[BillyGman]

I'm aware of the 10-12 HP that would be gained from the pulley set. But I just am not interested in such a small increase like that. It wouldn't be noticed on the street. Perhaps that kind of increase will make a difference on the track when you're engaging in that heads-up grudge match w/that guy who beat you by a mere half car length last week sure. In that case after the pulley set was installed, you might very well be neck and neck w/that same guy provided he didn't do anything extra to his car. But for me a 10HP gain isn't even worth my effort to break out the tool box. I'm not a professional racer. This is my daily driver, and even though I drive hard when traffic is light enough to allow it, I might race it at the track simply once or twice per year. I'm not saying that the U/D pulley set isn't worth the money that's being charged for it. It's just that the potential for a 10HP gain,even across the board, doesn't grab my attention too well. Yes, I can install the U/D pulley set, and go back to the Dyno and officially break the 300HP mark. But being the top dog of Dyno #'s on this board really isn't worth me spending the extra $$ for another Dyno test, as well as the extra $$ for the pulley set.

I've obtained respectable ET's as well as respectable Dyno #'s already that clearly demontrate that the mods I've chosen have successfully improved this car's acceleration, and that was my goal. And last, but certainly NOT least, this car is even more fun to drive now than it was in the factory stock configuration, which is due to the mods I've done. And the extra hassle that I had engaged in to install the Long-tube headers has clearly paid off, as I expected it would. That's the way I look at it. But thanks for that info.;)

[martyo]

Billy: If you are interested in a set of "first generation" U/D pulleys, I have a set with your name on 'em. Payment can be worked out in target practice, friendship, or having you agree that my car was really faster at Atco and that I was just being nice to you (your choice!).

Let me know Bud.

[FordNut]

Billy,
Just trying to point out that it's an easy, inexpensive power adder for a quick 10 hp.

Approximate numbers are:
Headers, exhaust = $1500+ / 30 hp = $50/hp
Chip, plugs, 'stat = $300+ / 20 hp = $15/hp
Pulleys = $200 / 10 hp = $20/hp

[TAF]

Originally posted by Logan
Currently, that'd be Taf I believe.


Originally posted by SergntMac
These are great numbers, Billy. Your 294 RWHP has been seen here before, but your 309.4 RWTQ has not.

My S.A.E. #s from 10/15/03:

284.7 RWHP
319.5 RWTQ
(on an 80+ degree day)


Nevertheless...very impressive #s Billy!!!

[martyo]

Originally posted by TAF
My S.A.E. #s from 10/15/03:


(on an 80+ degree day)



The point of S.A.E. correction is so that you don't have to say on an "80+ degree day" or that the humidty was xx%

S.A.E. corrections are just that. They are mathematical adjustments to the actuals that you pulled.

Got it?

[TAF]

Originally posted by martyo
The point of S.A.E. correction is so that you don't have to say on an "80+ degree day" or that the humidty was xx%

S.A.E. corrections are just that. They are mathematical adjustments to the actuals that you pulled.

Got it?

Whatever...it was still a hot day :D

[martyo]

Originally posted by TAF
Whatever...it was still a hot day :D

What else should I expect from the guy who sat at the back of his science class???

[Glenn]

BG:

I bought my 2003 Cobra UDP for $150. It does make a noticable difference on engine reving. The engine responds much quicker with the UDs.

Glenn

[SergntMac]

TAF...My apologies for my mistatements about your power, I couldn't find a handy reference when putting my post together.

Congrats to both of you for building fine N/A Marauders.


Originally posted by Glenn
BG: I bought my 2003 Cobra UDP for $150. It does make a noticable difference on engine reving. The engine responds much quicker with the UDs. Glenn

Yep. Glenn beat me to it, but that's where the 10 Hp comes from. The "undies" relieve taxing drag and this allows the engine to wind up quicker, and get you into your power band sooner, those of you who did before/after dynos should be able to see that in your graph or chart. The end result is that the engine produces more power with less energy spent. I got 7 HP from my undies, first generation.

Billy, as you continue to build your own MM, a chance to buy 10 HP may not repeat itself in other mods. Every bit helps, it all adds up to owning a finely tuned machine.

[BillyGman]

again, this has been another interesting thread because of all the input from everybody.

Marty, the only reason that I'd even consider the U/D pulley set is to stay ahead of you at the track.............However, if that is a concern for me in the future, then there's another trick I'd have up my sleeve that would give me more power than the U/D set would.;)

.......but like I've indicated, I'm pretty satisfied w/the way the car is moving now, and I can't see me going to the track more than twice per year from now on. For most of you guys, your Marauder is your second car. But for me, not only is my MM my primary means of transportation, but my secondary car needs a clutch, and it's strictly a summer car anyway.

I have to keep things into prospective. I have a car that is not only under waurantee, but one that I have a loan on. I live two states away from the track, and if I break this thing on the track, I'm in hot water. So if someone comes up w/a better ET than I have, then more power to em. I'll be one of the first to congratulate em. I have obtained great and consistent ET's and Dyno #'s and I luv to drive this car so much now because of it's acceleration that It's going to be challenging to avoid getting pulled over. So my goals have been met.

[Marauderman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TAF
My S.A.E. #s from 10/15/03:

284.7 RWHP
319.5 RWTQ
(on an 80+ degree day)


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I'd like to respond but kinda feel--well--maybe what Zack and Mac feel somethimes---Out of place on this thread-----so will not comment--Hummmm...gosh--sorry fellas'......

[Marauderer]

Man Billy, what is really cool is that 0-60 launch! If you search you can find a couple of posts I made with links to 0-60 figures. A 4.9 puts you way up the list and is where you will see most of your "street" action :) Happy "Ricer" Hunting, and hats off to a wonderful "independant" effort. You bucked the system and came out on top :) Way to go!

[BillyGman]

Originally posted by Marauderer
Man Billy, what is really cool is that 0-60 launch! A 4.9 puts you way up the list and is where you will see most of your "street" action :) and hats off to a wonderful "independant" effort. You bucked the system and came out on top :) Way to go!

Thanks MARAUDERER for that recognition. I appreciate that.:)

I'll also checkout your posts that you've mentioned.;)