Proven HP Combination's N/A

[musclemerc]

I've reached out to a few member's for their input on what mod's they did to get their dyno proven number's. This is a list of the information I have compiled. Most or these combination's consist of just bolt on's but a couple of guy's went a step further and had custom parts added in.
All of the MM's are N/A

*top 5 horsepower and/or torque are highlighted in red*

TAF: 242HP/261TQ *Stock MM*

Bone stock MM 2500mi.

Breeze: 242HP/259TQ *Stock MM*

Flowmaster super 40's


Fordnut: *365HP/369TQ* *Highest -BBS-HP/TQ*

*5.3L Big Bore Stroker*
Heads: Ported/combustion chambers cleaned up/oversize valves/oversize hardened seats/hardened guides/ceramic coated chambers, valve's head's, and exhaust ports/teflon coated valve stems,cam caps,cam saddles/drilled out oil return holes/Cryo treatments/REM micro-polished followers/Comp beehive springs/Comp Extreme 258 series grind #106260, 222/224 duration, 475int/450ext lift

Bottom end: Cryo treatment & REM polishing on Kellogg forged stroker crank/Pauter cross-beam rifle-drilled billet rods/longer rods with raised wristpins/CP 9.5:1 forged pistons with ceramic & teflon coatings/teflon coated bearing inserts/cryo-REM treated cam gears and chains/billet crank trigger ring/Melling oil pump with billet gears/windage tray/main girdle/ARP rod bolts,cam bolts, main studs & head studs/60 lb injectors/CPR fuel rails/ twin Cobra fuel pumps
Denso IT20 plugs
Plasma booster ignition module
Metco CF intake tube
K&N conical filter and heat shield *MM kit*
90mm MAF
BBK 62mm TB
Steeda UDP's *crank pully only*
Electric WP
180* T stat
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
Ported & Polished U/L intake's *TB matched*
EGR flow restrictor
FRPP 4:10's
PI 2800 stall
Reinhart/ Art Carr transmission kit
Kook's LT's
Bassani 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
Edelbrock RPM muffler's
Custom dyno tune

Joe Walsh: *325HP/340TQ* *Highest-BB-HP/Torque*

*Forged 5.0 big bore*
Crower cams
Crower springs
+1mm Stainless valves
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
extrude honed intake *TB matched*
Metco CF intake tube
K&N 9" conical filter
Custom cold air box
C&L 80mm MAF
Accufab 60mm TB
Meziere electric WP
Steeda UDP *crank pully only*
Plasma booster ignition module
Kook's LT's
Kook's 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
Magnaflow muffler's
Art Carr high stall TC
Level 10 shift kit
B&M trans cooler w/electric fan
Custom dyno tune

dohc324ci: *317HP/357TQ*

*Big Bore Stroker -MMR Street Mod 850-*
FRPP BOSS 5.0 iron block
10.5:1 cr Manley pistons
MMR 4340 rods
MMR stroker assembly with ARP head/main studs
MMR Stage 3 p&p heads
MMR stainless steel valves
FRPP GT40 cams
Comp cam springs
MMR Ported intake
PHP intake spacer
FRPP GT40 fuel pump
FRPP 39lb injectors
JLT CAI
SCT BA 3000
MMR racing oil pump
MMR Windage tray

Impalaslayer: *306HP*/295TQ *Highest HP with stock engine*

Nazty PSRI (ported short runner intake) *TB matched*
Steeda UDP's
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
Accufab 62mm TB
90mm MAF with 80mm stock cartridge
GMS COP connector's
NGK TR6IX plug's
EMP mechanical WP
3500 stall
Kook's LT's
Aero muffler's
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

Fordnut: *303HP/318TQ* *Highest TQ on a stock engine*

Denso IT20 plugs
Plasma booster ignition module
Metco CF intake tube
K&N conical filter and heat shield *MM kit*
90mm MAF
BBK 62mm TB
Steeda UDP's *crank pully only*
Electric WP
180* T stat
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
Ported & Polished U/L intake's *TB matched*
EGR flow restrictor
FRPP 4:10's
PI 2800 stall
Reinhart/ Art Carr transmission kit
Kook's LT's
Bassani 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
Edelbrock RPM muffler's
Custom dyno tune

Maryland: 302HP/*318TQ*

K&N CAI
180* T stat
1 step colder plugs
Steeda UDP's
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
PHP- Stage II ported and polished U/L intake's
Kook's LT's
Kook's 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow muffler's
2.5" Axle back's
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

Paul T. Casey: 300HP/315TQ

Steeda UDP's
90mm MAF with the stock 80mm cartridge installed
JLT CAI
180* Stat
1 step colder plugs
Custom 1" Phenolic spacer
Custom 2" TB spacer
Port & Polished U/L intake
Kook's LT's
Kook's 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
Magnaflow muffler's
Custom dyno tune

kmastl: 294HP/307TQ

K&N CAI
Steeda UDP'S
Kook's LT's
J-Mod
Custom dyno tune

Blackened300A: 293HP/312TQ

Metco Carbon-Fiber Intake tube
PHP CAI
Naz PSRI (ported short runner intake) *TB matched*
Accufab 60mm TB
PHP Intake 3/8" intake spacer
Steeda UDP's
180* T-Stat
Denso IT-20 Plugs
Granatelli COP connectors
Cherry Bomb Vortex Mufflers
J-Mod Shift Kit
Stallion T/C 3000 stall
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

Blackbeauty2: 293HP/308TQ

K&N CAI
NGK TR6 plugs
180* T stat
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
Steeda UDP's
Kook's LT's
2.5" X pipe
2.5" full exhaust *no cat's*
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

2,4shofast: 292HP/284TQ

Steeda UDP's
JLT CAI
180* T stat
1 step colder plug's
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
Meziere electric WP
Kook's LT's
High flow cat's
Magnaflow muffler's
Custom dyno tune

TAF: 290HP/316TQ

180* T stat
1 step colder plugs
Steeda UDP's
Stock Cobra manifolds
Magnaflow 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
Magnaflow muffler's
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

Glenn: 289HP/310TQ

K&N CAI
Steeda UDP's
FRPP Shorty header's
Magnaflow 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

Go2GuyFL: 284HP/298TQ---2003MM

K&N CAI
Kook's LT's
Kook's 2.5" X pipe
Aero 2525 muffler's
Reinhart tune

Crouse: 283HP/295TQ

JLT Cold Air Intake
Granatelli COP Connectors
Steeda UDP's
Stewart EMP W/P
PHP Intake Spacer
Custom 2-1/2" midpipe w/ H-Pipe
MagnaFlow 94066 Catalytic Converters
MagnaFlow 11256 Mufflers
FFRP 4:10 Gears
Custom dyno tune

ctrlraven: Zack Tune V1.0 282HP/313TQ----DR Tune277HP/309TQ
*Best-on the cheap*

JLT CAI *no heat shield*
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
GMS COP connector's
NGK TR6IX plug's
PI 3500 stall
Deleted rear cat's
Flowmaster super 40 muffler's

Go2GuyFL: 278HP/288TQ---2004 MM

K&N CAI
Kook's LT's
Kook's 2.5" X pipe
Aero 2525 muffler's
Reinhart tune


4drcbra: 274HP/302TQ

Anderson 4" CAI
Custom 2.5" mid pipe
Deleted rear cat's
Magnaflow muffler's
Custom dyno tune

Anonymous Member: :eek: 464HP/425TQ :eek: *Dyno link* (http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy182/musclemerc/marauder/MyMarauderDynoRun.jpg)

Ported & polished head's W/intake & exhaust gasket's "matched" (work done on a color die flow bench)
FRPP cam's
FRPP valves
FRPP guide's
FRPP springs
Ported/polished/force blasted U&L intake
Water injected intake system w/3 nozzle's
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
60lb injector's
Dual GT fuel pump's
90mm MAF
K&N CAI
SW LT's
SW high flow cat's
Custom dyno tune

[musclemerc]

I will edit this list as other's PM me their information.

If you have a N/A mod's list and dyno proven number's please PM me your info

P.S. I will only include HP mods, suspension, cooling, and non HP mod's do not apply

[ImpalaSlayer]

wow, my car has no tq lol

[dohc324ci]

Sticky this!

[sailsmen]

Thanks for the thread. EVERYONE Please use the sig and garage.

So many ask for help with out listing their mods and yes we have had people who do not own a Panther ask for help w/o telling us that little bit of info!

[ImpalaSlayer]

hey T, i duno if you wanted to post this here or not but here is the dyno chart from before and after the UD pulleys without any tuning.

i can delete this after you post it in the OP

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/blaster250cr/IMG_1497.jpg

[FordNut]

303 rwhp, 318 rwtq
Electric Water pump (+10 hp)
180 degree 'stat
Underdrive crank pulley (+10 hp)
PHP intake spacer
Ported lower intake manifold (not short runner)
Ported, polished upper intake manifold, port matched to TB
BBK twin 62mm TB
Metco CF intake tube (larger than OEM, larger than K&N, smooth bends)
90 mm MAF
K&N conical filter & shield from K&N CAI kit
EGR flow restrictor
Denso IT20 plugs
Plasma booster
Kooks headers to custom setup: 2-1/2" pipe, Magnaflow cats, Bassani x-pipe, Edelbrock RPM mufflers, stock 2-1/4" system after mufflers, stock tips (+22 hp with headers and cats, the rest had already been upgraded and dyno tested)

With the following drivetrain mods it turned 13.3 in the 1/4
PI Stallion 2800 stall torque converter (helped with quicker revving and 1/4 mile times, not with peak power)
Reinhart/Art Carr transmission kit (much better 1/4 mile and street performance, no change on dyno)
4.10 gears
Dynotech MMC driveshaft (4.10 gears caused higher driveshaft speed which caused trans tailshaft leaks, the dynotech shaft fixed it)

365.4 rwhp, 368.9 rwtq
All of the above PLUS 5.3L BB/S built out the wazoo:
Heads: Ported, combustion chambers cleaned up, oversize valves, oversize hardened seats, hardened guides, ceramic coated chambers/valve heads/exhaust ports, teflon coated valve stems/cam caps/cam saddles, drilled out oil return holes, Cryo treatments, REM micro-polished followers, Comp beehive springs, Comp Extreme 258 series grind #106260, 222/224 duration, 475/450 lift
Bottom end: Cryo treatment and REM polishing on Kellogg forged stroker crank and Pauter cross-beam rifle-drilled billet rods, longer rods with raised wristpins in CP 9.5:1 forged pistons with ceramic and teflon coatings, teflon coated bearing inserts, cryo-REM treated cam gears and chains, billet crank trigger ring, Melling oil pump with billet gears, windage tray, main girdle, ARP rod bolts, cam bolts, main studs & head studs, plus 60 lb injectors, CPR fuel rails, and twin Cobra fuel pumps

[musclemerc]

No problem Dave, you actually bring up a good point. This does'nt apply to just a dyno tune it also applies to dyno run's. If you have a complete list of your N/A mod's and have dyno run result's I also want that info. Specifically I want someone with Lidio's, Zack's, & DR's tune. Martyo recently had an open house and I know some of the CAM member's recently had dyno run's too. I need your results! Please PM me....

[RacerX]

Good job! This is what I've been looking for. All the Pony sites have em. This is good to see. I should be able to post my new dyno numbers in the next few weeks. ;)

[musclemerc]

Oh, Yeah... This is the list you want to be on. BTW these are the guy's I'd like to eventually hear from:
Blackened300a----When you get the engine done
Fastblackmerc
Babbage
tjl006----When your done with the Aluminator
dohc324ci----When your done with everything
RacerX----When your done with everything

[Joe Walsh]

My dyno sheet from the initial tune after engine installation.
Blue pull is on OEM computer tune.
Red pull is with final dyno tune.

Couple of notes:
I had finished installing the engine the night before leaving for MV3/Woodward Dream cruise.
I scheduled and stopped by Kaufmann's shop (in Dillsburg, Pa.) the next morning on our way out to MV3/WDC.
Engine had, maybe 150 miles on it when we "took the whip" to her!
That's how to break in an engine!
I know, I know....never take a long road trip after doing major mods to your car. I was worried, but we didn't have a hiccup on the entire trip!
Even got to annihilate a group of 3 Retard Ricers in Ohio!

Note: I had the Marauder re-dynoed with more miles on the engine and she layed down 324.5 RWHP. This dyno sheet shows 317 RWHP.
I'll try to find and scan that dyno sheet.
With this engine, I am 'out of fuel pump' until I get a BAP or install the Ford GT pump that I have.
The tune I have is not perfect because my OEM fuel pump was maxed out around 6100 rpm.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/RecoveredPictures538.jpg

[musclemerc]

The dyno tune made all the diffrence in taking advantage of your mods Joe. Those TQ number's are just impressive to say the least. Thanks for posting the dyno sheet.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i just realized something. i had more tq with out LTs, the naz intake, emp and a few others. that nazi intake must have really effed it up.

[musclemerc]

It's that old school way of hot rodding working against you Dave. The PSRI got you great HP number's but gave up alot of torque. That's why on my list of part's to run 12's included the PRSI and a shorty setup. Just to get the lost torque back.
Remember the old carb'ed intake's were all long runner? The stocker's back then were all short runner


FYI: The question's Dave have right now are the intent of this thread. It's a HP comparison of a specific list of mod's. I had a member PM me that my list maybe about bragging right's and that's not the intent. It's intended to show gains from specific combination's and also to serve as a "mirror" for other member's that want to reach your gain's that have been posted

[TooManyFords]

If we are just trying to be Dyno Queens, this thread performs.

If we are trying to show how *fast* our cars are, then this thread fails. Why? Because no two dyno's will reproduce the same numbers for the same car.

I was going to suggest using the dragstrip method of calculating HP, but not everyone has slicks or even drag radials. Even different drivers can get different numbers out of the same car at the same track, the same day.

I could post my dyno sheet, but it reads really low because my car is *not* a dyno queen. With a 75 shot spray it showed a peak of about 500HP to the wheels, but when I run my numbers through the 1/4 mile calculator, it says my car made 618.72. No excuses, no couch racing. That was the last verified pass for the car a year ago. 11.47 @ 120.25 with a total weight of 4640. Does it make more than the dyno showed? Yes. Can I prove it? Only with my time slips.

[Joe Walsh]

If we are just trying to be Dyno Queens, this thread performs.

If we are trying to show how *fast* our cars are, then this thread fails. Why? Because no two dyno's will reproduce the same numbers for the same car.

I was going to suggest using the dragstrip method of calculating HP, but not everyone has slicks or even drag radials. Even different drivers can get different numbers out of the same car at the same track, the same day.

I could post my dyno sheet, but it reads really low because my car is *not* a dyno queen. With a 75 shot spray it showed a peak of about 500HP to the wheels, but when I run my numbers through the 1/4 mile calculator, it says my car made 618.72. No excuses, no couch racing. That was the last verified pass for the car a year ago. 11.47 @ 120.25 with a total weight of 4640. Does it make more than the dyno showed? Yes. Can I prove it? Only with my time slips.

I agree with what you are saying, but, as you pointed out...even 1/4 mile slips can be deceiving and inconsistent.
Trap speed somewhat offsets the spinning tire, poor 60 foot runs.
The best that we can do is post dyno numbers and timeslips.
According to my timeslip, I'm putting 385 HP to the rear wheels.
That's 60 more HP than I dynoed...I like the 385 HP number better, it's more impressive, but my dyno sheet shows 325 RWHP.

The thread does serve its' intent to have a centralized listing of variously modded N/A Marauders and their accompanying dyno numbers.

[TooManyFords]

Maybe the word *fail* was a bit strong. I still say without standardization it is nothing more than another LOOK AT ME thread.
:P

With that in mind...



LOOK AT ME!


LOL!

[breeze]

im thinking about getting mine RE-dynoed, my HP was still climbing but hit my rev limit because of my smaller tires. problem fixed, but i think these tires are alittle taller than stock now but need to head back and get my ideal numbers....musclemerc, you've got mail!

[FordNut]

Maybe the word *fail* was a bit strong. I still say without standardization it is nothing more than another LOOK AT ME thread.
:P
With that in mind...

LOOK AT ME!
LOL!
True, one thing we discussed way back in the early days of MM.net was the huge difference seen on the same car when a Dynojet dyno is used vs a Mustang dyno.

edit: All of my dyno numbers are on a Dynojet and are SAE ratings, which corrects for temperature and elevation. I hope all of the other numbers are also SAE. Some tuners and dyno shops give you a printout with NET(?) instead of SAE.

And John, you're already shouting LOOK AT ME in a big way with that apparatus sticking out your hood!:burnout:

[merc]

Maybe the word *fail* was a bit strong. I still say without standardization it is nothing more than another LOOK AT ME thread.
:P

With that in mind...



LOOK AT ME!


LOL!

I did, and you are still ugly, but you have a great car. :)
P.S. I am not much better




The thread does serve its' intent to have a centralized listing of variously modded N/A Marauders and their accompanying dyno numbers.

That's assuming all things are equal and they are not. Don't make me explain.



And John, you're already shouting LOOK AT ME in a big way with that apparatus sticking out your hood!:burnout:

Answer: The apparatus is there to deflect attention away from his overwhelming looks. :lol: I need a better blower also. John could be on to something. It's now clear why Martyo doesn't drive is own car.

[musclemerc]

TMF there will be more variables if we did it with timeslip's. Elevation, track temps, humidity, traction loss, etc.

When a Mfg. put's out a product they post dyno number's not ET's.
This list is'nt the say all end all but I know what my next mods will be on my MM. This list wasn't started to be another thing we argue about. Let's try to have a little fun with this thread. Beside's your far gone from N/A so what do you care?

[Joe Walsh]

I guess that all the dyno sheets would have to be corrected to standard conditions,
and then we would need a "correlation factor" for all the various dynamometers....which is all but impossible!

OR.......:hmmm:

We all get together on the same day, on the same dyno and run all our pulls under the same conditions!

:beer:

[TooManyFords]

im thinking about getting mine RE-dynoed, my HP was still climbing but hit my rev limit because of my smaller tires. problem fixed, but i think these tires are alittle taller than stock now but need to head back and get my ideal numbers....musclemerc, you've got mail!

Don't waste your time, the size of the tire does not alter the numbers on the dyno.

[TooManyFords]

TMF there will be more variables if we did it with timeslip's. Elevation, track temps, humidity, traction loss, etc.

When a Mfg. put's out a product they post dyno number's not ET's.
This list is'nt the say all end all but I know what my next mods will be on my MM. This list wasn't started to decome another thing we argue about. Let's try to have a little fun with this thread. Beside's your far gone from N/A so what do you care?

Which is why a hesitated recommending racing as a good method either. As for the ratings from the manufactures, they use engine dyno numbers and not RWHP numbers.

My bad, I did not know this was an N/A thread!

[RacerX]

Honestly, this makes it easier for newer MM owners to see what has actually helped over time. If you go back in the archives, every owner was a Guinea pig. This is great esp. since you can find a lot of bolt ons real cheap out there. This also helps the guy that thinks just getting 39# injectors and a 90mm Lightning MAF will give him 20hp or just a larger TB. You can also see mods helping these engines breathe from entrance to exit make all the difference.

[musclemerc]

Here is the dyno sheet for the highest HP N/A MM. He does'nt want his identity revealed but here's his dyno sheet. I could'nt beleive it even after I saw it.

[FordNut]

Here is the dyno sheet for the fastest N/A MM. He does'nt want his identity revealed but here's his dyno sheet. I could'nt beleive it even after I saw it.

No way. Not with the mod list you posted. Not even with that mod list AND a 5.3L or 5.4L

[FordNut]

That dyno sheet is for a supercharged car. Look at the AFR. If it was NA it should be tuned for about 13:1, for SC it would be tuned for about 11:1

[musclemerc]

Believe me... I thought the same thing!

[FordNut]

Also look at the HP/TQ numbers. Most NA cars have higher TQ than HP, some have just a very little bit more HP than TQ. This dyno sheet has MUCH more HP than TQ. It has a supercharger.

[LANDY]

thats definately not an n/a dynosheet.

[musclemerc]

Maybe if we keep questioning his number's he will reveal himself. I already made all the same comment's to him in my PM before posting the dyno results. Everyone will be surprised who this guy is. Talk about humble.... He's been a member for a long time and never came clean until now.

He is making S/C power with a N/A setup.

[FordNut]

Jannetty Racing has a Vortech on their Camaro, I'd venture a guess that's what is on the car that made those dyno pulls.

[RacerX]

Sooooo... That's 580@ the crank??? N/A??? Not with a 4.6l. No pony has ever even done that N/A with 4.6.

[dohc324ci]

I dunno he is going to need more than that to put down 464. Go over to corral.net on there na 4v they've got fr500, worked heads, cams, PSR intake 11:1, 12:1cr in a 5.3 bbs or 5.4. through a 5spd not auto. 537rwhp from naz on a bbs, psri, custom cams and 12.1:1cr through a 5spd. Not going to be able to turn that much rpms with our trans. We need more info on his setup for sure!

Link:http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=515518

[Paul T. Casey]

Hope he's running shorties so Brian can pay the $100. :rolleyes:

[Colt]

Starts out at 3.6K RPM's at stops at 6.2K and its a 4.6L? And was it done in 1.00 gear ratio (3rd gear)?

I know some apps have 4.6L's reving from 7K to 9K RPM's.

Must be a hell of build if its a 4.6L NA.

[ctrlraven]

im thinking about getting mine RE-dynoed, my HP was still climbing but hit my rev limit because of my smaller tires. problem fixed, but i think these tires are alittle taller than stock now but need to head back and get my ideal numbers....musclemerc, you've got mail!


I guess that all the dyno sheets would have to be corrected to standard conditions,
and then we would need a "correlation factor" for all the various dynamometers....which is all but impossible!

OR.......:hmmm:

We all get together on the same day, on the same dyno and run all our pulls under the same conditions!

:beer:
There will be another Dyno Day at Absolute ProFormance in Finksburg again this fall, I'm sure DOOM will attend again to bust some more ear drums. lol

Breeze I'm sure you'll come out again and Joe you should come out also, maybe even bring the Cobra and watch everyone drool or bring the Marauder and get 3 runs for cheap and on video by me.


Honestly, this makes it easier for newer MM owners to see what has actually helped over time. If you go back in the archives, every owner was a Guinea pig. This is great esp. since you can find a lot of bolt ons real cheap out there. This also helps the guy that thinks just getting 39# injectors and a 90mm Lightning MAF will give him 20hp or just a larger TB. You can also see mods helping these engines breathe from entrance to exit make all the difference.
EXACTLY, this is just a comparison list


Here is the dyno sheet for the highest HP N/A MM. He does'nt want his identity revealed but here's his dyno sheet. I could'nt beleive it even after I saw it.
I think the wools been pulled over your eyes. That's a typical dynograph of a vehicle with a centrifugal s/c.

[Colt]

The FR500GT made like 550 hp. It was a 5.0L, but in NA form it was making 550hp with about a 7K rev.

[RacerX]

And at 50k for JUST the engine...
http://www.roushyatesparts.com/FR500GT_RACE_ENGINE_p/m-6007-mr.htm

[FordNut]

Anonymous Member: 464HP/425TQ :eek:

Ported & polished head's W/intake & exhaust gasket's matched (Color die flow bench)


Go2GuyFL: 278HP/288TQ 04-300B



I'd like to see those flow sheets.

BTW, there's no such thing as a '04-300B although all '04s are equipped similar to the '03-300B

[musclemerc]

I will make the correction and PM for the flow sheet's

[FordNut]

I will make the correction and PM for the flow sheet's

Might want to add my 5.3 BB/S info...


303 rwhp, 318 rwtq
Electric Water pump (+10 hp)
180 degree 'stat
Underdrive crank pulley (+10 hp)
PHP intake spacer
Ported lower intake manifold (not short runner)
Ported, polished upper intake manifold, port matched to TB
BBK twin 62mm TB
Metco CF intake tube (larger than OEM, larger than K&N, smooth bends)
90 mm MAF
K&N conical filter & shield from K&N CAI kit
EGR flow restrictor
Denso IT20 plugs
Plasma booster
Kooks headers to custom setup: 2-1/2" pipe, Magnaflow cats, Bassani x-pipe, Edelbrock RPM mufflers, stock 2-1/4" system after mufflers, stock tips (+22 hp with headers and cats, the rest had already been upgraded and dyno tested)

With the following drivetrain mods it turned 13.3 in the 1/4
PI Stallion 2800 stall torque converter (helped with quicker revving and 1/4 mile times, not with peak power)
Reinhart/Art Carr transmission kit (much better 1/4 mile and street performance, no change on dyno)
4.10 gears
Dynotech MMC driveshaft (4.10 gears caused higher driveshaft speed which caused trans tailshaft leaks, the dynotech shaft fixed it)

365.4 rwhp, 368.9 rwtq
All of the above PLUS 5.3L BB/S built out the wazoo:
Heads: Ported, combustion chambers cleaned up, oversize valves, oversize hardened seats, hardened guides, ceramic coated chambers/valve heads/exhaust ports, teflon coated valve stems/cam caps/cam saddles, drilled out oil return holes, Cryo treatments, REM micro-polished followers, Comp beehive springs, Comp Extreme 258 series grind #106260, 222/224 duration, 475/450 lift
Bottom end: Cryo treatment and REM polishing on Kellogg forged stroker crank and Pauter cross-beam rifle-drilled billet rods, longer rods with raised wristpins in CP 9.5:1 forged pistons with ceramic and teflon coatings, teflon coated bearing inserts, cryo-REM treated cam gears and chains, billet crank trigger ring, Melling oil pump with billet gears, windage tray, main girdle, ARP rod bolts, cam bolts, main studs & head studs, plus 60 lb injectors, CPR fuel rails, twin Cobra fuel pumps

[RacerX]

Wow... How much was all that? :eek: Another point of compression probably would've got you over 370. And 60lb injectors and water injection would've got you 470... :D

[musclemerc]

^^^Hmmm......a Variable?

[FordNut]

Wow... How much was all that? :eek: Another point of compression probably would've got you over 370. And 60lb injectors and water injection would've got you 470... :D

It cost an obscene amount of money.

The CR was (is) at 9.5 because the intent was supercharged about 20 psi on pump gas.

Oops, it did have 60 lb injectors... better update the list...

[musclemerc]

Your on the right track.


Starts out at 3.6K RPM's at stops at 6.2K and its a 4.6L? And was it done in 1.00 gear ratio (3rd gear)?

I know some apps have 4.6L's reving from 7K to 9K RPM's.

Must be a hell of build if its a 4.6L NA.

[RacerX]

Probably running a 15:1 cr with an 18% nitro mixture...

[Mr. Man]

Probably running a 15:1 cr with an 18% nitro mixture...
Do you think a stock MM block could handle that kind of pressure. I'm skeptical

[RacerX]

Do you think a stock MM block could handle that kind of pressure. I'm skeptical
Who says that dyno sheet wasn't the end of the motor... :D Allright, sorry for the hijack. Lets keep the data coming in, it is VERY nice to find it all in one thread instead of looking through timeslips, finding N/A motors, going to see their "garages/specs" if even listed...

[musclemerc]

Gotta admit... For the intake spacer's to have such a bad rep... All the guy's that kept their RWTQ had intake spacer's installed. Hmmm.....

[FordNut]

Gotta admit... For the intake spacer's to have such a bad rep... All the guy's that kept their RWTQ had intake spacer's installed. Hmmm.....

I did a before/after dyno test on one, in made virtually no difference. TAF didn't have one and still has really good TQ.

Now if we look at a PSRI, we see torque really take a dump!

[musclemerc]

Uummmm, Two points you bring up is TAF made great torque (see his number's posted), and the Naz (Impalaslayer's post) lost alot of torque.

I've been saying we need one with Naz, Shorty's, and a spacer to post.

BTW: I'm looking for stock MM's that have a Lidio, DR, or Zack tune to post. No other mod's other than a tune. Please PM me!

[musclemerc]

I was hoping some of you would have done your homework before discounting the guy's informarion and look up "N/A water injection" and see the HP number's I posted were real. 464HP is well within reach if you have a high flowing, high revving, cammed engine. Throw in the water injection along with ported and polished intake's, and some good fuel flow, and you got a lil som...sommm..

Fordnut, Blackbeauty2, dohc324ci, & ctrlraven.... Grilled or baked??? Crow?

This guy went with an old school tactic. Looks like he made his own rules. Either way i'd like to see the look on a SC'ed guy's face (that spent thousands more) when this NA MM beats the pants off him everytime.

[Rocknee]

Purchased a 04 MM DTR several months ago. Been reading a lot here. Really purchased the car for newer model car and low miles. Own a 00 Grand Marquis with 116K. Found out MM is a different breed and a special car. Want to keep it stock but want it to be at its top perfomance. Notice when accelerate hard it surges like maybe tires are slipping or may be something else, not sure. Car has 38K and knowledge of car from dealer was traded by an elderly man who traded the MM on a Rousch.

Any thoughts about best performance with stock equipment? Not planning on racing or dogging. Just a nice looking car for trips that runs great.

[sailsmen]

I was hoping some of you would have done your homework before discounting the guy's informarion and look up "N/A water injection" and see the HP number's I posted were real. 464HP is well within reach if you have a high flowing, high revving, cammed engine. Throw in the water injection along with ported and polished intake's, and some good fuel flow, and you got a lil som...sommm..

Fordnut, Blackbeauty2, dohc324ci, & ctrlraven.... Grilled or baked??? Crow?

This guy went with an old school tactic. Looks like he made his own rules. Either way i'd like to see the look on a SC'ed guy's face (that spent thousands more) when this NA MM beats the pants off him everytime.

The least expensive way to buy HP is Nitrous and then S/C. Cams and ported heads cost more.

[FordNut]

I was hoping some of you would have done your homework before discounting the guy's informarion and look up "N/A water injection" and see the HP number's I posted were real. 464HP is well within reach if you have a high flowing, high revving, cammed engine. Throw in the water injection along with ported and polished intake's, and some good fuel flow, and you got a lil som...sommm..

Fordnut, Blackbeauty2, dohc324ci, & ctrlraven.... Grilled or baked??? Crow?

This guy went with an old school tactic. Looks like he made his own rules. Either way i'd like to see the look on a SC'ed guy's face (that spent thousands more) when this NA MM beats the pants off him everytime.

Actually, I suppose there is a reason nobody has seen or heard of this car before. Maybe it's a fantasy?

High revving? Did you look at the dyno sheet?

Ported heads, intake, and cams? I have all of that (even better cams and valvetrain than this "ghost" car has) as well as oversize valves and more displacement.

Fuel flow? Somebody most be stoned to think more fuel will make more power. It won't. Enough is all it takes, any more will actually kill power.

Water injection? I did try it. It can make a minor power increase in a NA car, it really shines in a SC car.

Some people will believe anything.

Crow? How about a little bit of salt and pepper on the pile of BS you're eating?

[FordNut]

BTW, you still have the FANTASY car posted in the first post of the thread but haven't added my GENUINE 5.3 BB/S data.

[sailsmen]

The laws of physics still apply. You can only put so much fuel and air into a given cylinder size. The fuel and air is the "energy".

N/A limits the amount of air that will go into the cylinder regardless of how easy you make for the air to get in.

Try putting 100% fuel in the cylinder, fill it up and then try to ignite it.

[musclemerc]

BTW, you still have the FANTASY car posted in the first post of the thread but haven't added my GENUINE 5.3 BB/S data.


I have'nt recieved a PM from you. I will double check my recieved PM's and if it's there I will post it.

[FordNut]

FYI: The question's Dave have right now are the intent of this thread. It's a HP comparison of a specific list of mod's. I had a member PM me that my list maybe about bragging right's and that's not the intent. It's intended to show gains from specific combination's and also to serve as a "mirror" for other member's that want to reach your gain's that have been posted

Nobody will ever duplicate that 464 N/A data you posted.

[FordNut]

I have'nt recieved a PM from you. I will double check my recieved PM's and if it's there I will post it.

I don't do PM's. It's posted in the thread.

[FordNut]

TAF: 290HP/316TQ

180* T stat
1 step colder plugs
Steeda UDP's
FRPP Shorty header's
Magnaflow 2.5" X pipe
Magnaflow high flow cat's
Magnaflow muffler's
FRPP 4:10's
Custom dyno tune

I haven't been able to find it yet, was this dyno run with the Shorty headers or was it after he took them off and switched to Kooks?

[musclemerc]

The mod's are listed and are correct. Here's his link:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5946&highlight=atlanta

He went from 269HP/295TQ without any exhaust mods
then 283HP/309TQ with just Shorty's, 2.5" X pipe, and the stock H section
Then finally 290HP/316TQ with shorty's, full 2.5" midpipe

All the other mods stayed the same. 15HP/15TQ added with Shorty's,2.5 X pipe, ??stock H pipe?? 21HP/21TQ gain with shorty's and a full midpipe swap
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15 13&d=1067915513

[FordNut]

Cool, I was trying to find out if he posted before/after dyno runs when he switched to Kooks.

Interesting, 9 of the top 10 have long tubes, only TAF has shorty headers.

[musclemerc]

Correct... He had only a few mod's on his list compared to the guy's that made the top 10 and still made more TQ than 8 of the 10 listed. Looks like the Shorty's will out torque the LT's even with fewer mod's

Talk about doing it on the cheap!!!

Gotta send a shout out to the ctrlraven. Your combination got you pretty good HP number's and really good TQ number's. I like the way you used cost effective mod's. If your starting out, want to consider mods, and want to do it on the cheap, mirror his mods list.

[ctrlraven]

Correct... He had only a few mod's on his list compared to the guy's that made the top 10 and still made more TQ than 8 of the 10 listed.
Talk about doing it on the cheap!!!


Gotta send a shout out to the ctrlraven. Your combination got you pretty good HP number's and really good TQ number's. I like the way you used cost effective mod's. If your starting out, want to consider mods, and want to do it on the cheap, mirror his mods list.
Thanks! I would def recommend 4.10 gears with the 3500 stall as having that high of a stall on 3.55 gears and under the 300rwhp make could be annoying to someone, I didn't really mind it too much though but the tuning of it took some time to get it right.

As I told ImpalaSlayer the other day I'm going to make a poor man 12's car. :lol:

[justbob]

So why the big secret to who this mystery guy is? You would think he would be braggin with proof in hand?

[sailsmen]

Anonymous Member: :eek: 464HP/425TQ :eek: *Dyno link* (http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy182/musclemerc/marauder/MyMarauderDynoRun.jpg)[/B]

Ported & polished head's W/intake & exhaust gasket's "matched" (work done on a color die flow bench)
FRPP cam's
FRPP valves
FRPP guide's
FRPP springs
Ported/polished/force blasted U&L intake
Water injected intake system
PHP 3/8" intake spacer
60lb injector's
Dual GT fuel pump's
90mm MAF
K&N CAI
SW LT's
SW high flow cat's
Custom dyno tune

I went to Jannetty Racing's web site, where the Dyno Graph is hosted, they use a Super Flow eddy current dyno. Apples and Oranges. My car can make almost any HP you want it to on a Eddy Current Dyno. I know because my car has been on several different types of dyno's, including eddy current.
Are Dyno Jet inertia a true measure of HP? No, but there are virtually no operator inputs on purpose so they all measure the same. I can go to any Dyno Jet inertia anywhere and the HP will be the same with minor differences in "correction due to weather". My street tune RWHP on Dyno Jet inertia is 476 RWHP and RWHP on Mustang Eddy 558 RWHP. yea, I need to change my sig!

There is a reason this is "anonymous".

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Dyno Results in Chicagoland

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Waited two week with an appointment, but I finally went for my dyno test today, and went to the only place I could find in the Chicagoland area. There are more dynos around, yes. But, only two I could find, and both are really "out there" too, in location, availability, pricing and cooperation.

This place has a new 'Mustang" 4X4 dyno, and one really helpful tech running it. Can do a lot more stuff than I expected and when the software offered me a hundred choices for my tests, I didn't explore all of them and ordered the defaults. So, some of my tests will need to be done again in the spring, but work for me until then. I'll try to get these reports scanned and posted in the photo library in the next few days.

Where?
DynaTech, Inc.
7511 W. Cermak Road (inside mall, formerly Firestone)
North Riverside, Illinois
708.442.8951
appointment necessary
125.00 per hour
open SEVEN days a week.
www.DynaTechAuto.com

Stats:
125.00 bought five honest pulls in one hour. Worth it in my book, and actually gave me more Sunday afternoon entertainment per hour than my last Bears game, and at half the price.

RWHP peaked at 319.9, 325.9 and 363.5. Wait now, I said "peaked".
My car on this dyno with the pro driving, revealed "peaks" in RWHP and TQ at the shift points. Good, solid shifts that chirped the tires on the dyno, and produced instantaneous spurts of power, why I don't know. The reports I ordered show these peaks in the graphs and in report totals, but they don't mean squat in my book. By looking at the graphs carefully, I estimate my overall net RWHP to center in the area of 240 RWHP.

Torque figures are likewise affected by my report selection, with peaks recorded at 1310.6, 1371.6 and 1336.6 ft-lbs, and in that order. Silly numbers I know, and I estimate my overall net TQ to center in the 420 ft-lbs range.

One pull for a certified 120 mph check for driveline vibrations or anomalies. None observed by the pro, end of story. RWHP and TQ, peaks aside, this MM nested in the 240HP-420TQ neighborhood in that report as well.

One pull for speedo certification, 40 MPH on the speedo is 38.40 mph. Good, nice to be a bit conservative here, and nice to see Reinhart's chip doing it's thing, for sure.

Last pull, 0 to 60 time. Standing start to 60 MPH is 6.03. Works for me.

I'm disappointed that I didn't better understand my choices in the software, there's a hundred ways to run this and I could have learned more had I been better prepared. Nonetheless, this is a good place to start, get me some numbers on how my Reinhart mods have improved stuff. Any of you who are really concerned with performance, get your MM to a dyno.

My prediction is that by spring, I'll be considering intake and exhaust improvements, and I'll probably take Reinhart's advice very strongly. The pipes under this car did not appear as large as I expected them to be, looked maybe half the size of what we see at the tip. Has to be improvement here, cats back. Likewise, the cold air supply needs to be looked at too, also front to back. More air in and more air out, should be worth the expense in RW gains. Pulleys for sure, maybe next in the mod line-up price-wise.

Oh, one more thing...My driveshaft is brushed sliver something, with polished ends, and color codes that match attached flanges. The "pro" acted as though that's the way it's supposed to be, matched balanced parts from the factory. No idea what it's made of, but magnets would not stick. Part number is 3W3Z-4602-AA, Marauder specific, not a GM shaft, or, so it says in the LM parts book.

Well, gotta start loading these images, so y'all can get busy telling me where I'm wrong.

Happy New Year, everyone, be safe."

[Go2GuyFL]

I guess at some point we should post dollars spent to see what the cost was per each HP gained. LOL!!!

[musclemerc]

Honestly that's where I was gonna go next. Cost per HP's.

[LANDY]

Honestly that's where I was gonna go next. Cost per HP's.
On that one the eaton swap takes the trophy.

[RacerX]

Honestly that's where I was gonna go next. Cost per HP's.
That doesn't work. I paid 6k for my original 302hp and others may have paid 30k+... Since nobody's actual hp is exactly the same from the factory, You would have to ahve an original stock dyno, then start adding prices per component per hp gained. Then, there's the aspect of I bought my NAZ PSRI for less than a used stock intake and others may have spent full price. P&P on my heads was about $40 in carbide bit and cartridge rolls. That may be a $1/HP!

[musclemerc]

Variables?

[sailsmen]

The biggest variable is the tool used to measure RWHP. Eddy Current Mustang Dyno which showed SergntMac w/ over 1,000 TQ or Dyno Jet inertia?

Unless the brand and type of dyno are posted it is useless.

[Paul T. Casey]

Cool, I was trying to find out if he posted before/after dyno runs when he switched to Kooks.

Interesting, 9 of the top 10 have long tubes, only TAF has shorty headers.

IIRC, Todd went up to 298 to 300 wwith the long tubes, on an Aric tune. For those not familiar, Aric is an awesome tuner in the ATL area, who does "safe" his tunes up on the top end. I got better numbers in Chattanooga (at A2Z) the first time I went. I returned after my MAF upgrade and the same guy botched the tune. Aric straightened it out to a mighty respectable 297 rwhp that won't blow up.

[FordNut]

The biggest variable is the tool used to measure RWHP. Eddy Current Mustang Dyno which showed SergntMac w/ over 1,000 TQ or Dyno Jet inertia?

Unless the brand and type of dyno are posted it is useless.
And if it is a non-standard type it brings the data into question.....
Some folks don't understand there are huge differences in data from different types of dynos. Like we've been saying.....


Maybe the word *fail* was a bit strong. I still say without standardization it is nothing more than another LOOK AT ME thread.

True, one thing we discussed way back in the early days of MM.net was the huge difference seen on the same car when a Dynojet dyno is used vs a Mustang dyno.

edit: All of my dyno numbers are on a Dynojet and are SAE ratings, which corrects for temperature and elevation. I hope all of the other numbers are also SAE. Some tuners and dyno shops give you a printout with NET(?) instead of SAE.

[FordNut]

IIRC, Todd went up to 298 to 300 wwith the long tubes, on an Aric tune.

That's what I was thinking, he picked up about 8-10 hp by canning the shorty headers and switching to Kooks long tubes. I haven't found any data posted, maybe that was after the big MM.net explosion.

[musclemerc]

I just want to remind everyone this thread is not about 1 member or his mods. I moved the anonymous member to the bottom of the list, until he is willing to confront the controversy on his own he will remain there. The requirements to get onto this post were PM me your mods and the HP/TQ numbers must be either from a dyno run or a dyno tune. That's it! He met the criteria, so his number's will remain. As far as dyno chassis diffrence's, I don't care... I just want to know the number's, so far all the info collected were in SAE format. Good enough for me.

Remember you 11sec/500~600HP high power guy's this is a weak little N/A, slow poke thread. Please don't mess the thread up for us little guy's that are considering only bolt on's and maybe porting and polish work.

Thanks!

[sailsmen]

.......As far as dyno chassis diffrence's, I don't care... I just want to know the number's, so far all the info collected were in SAE format. Good enough for me.
Remember you 11sec/500~600HP high power guy's this is a weak little N/A, slow poke thread. Please don't mess the thread up for us little guy's that are considering only bolt on's and maybe porting and polish work.

Thanks!
Wrong, READ Above Posts, different types of Dynos read different RWHP. Put SrgntMac down for 1,371.6 TQ. He is the KING of TQ and needs to be at the top of your list.

Or Should you Post this on the list;
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Thanks, RK for pointing that out, I really knew little about dynos until now, and I've learned of the error rate of the Mustang first hand.

Everyone has their opinion here, and that is good. I love sharing ideas and experiences here, but, in any reasonsble discussion, the proof of a theory is in the performance numbers...period.

I got my first dyno about two weeks ago, and posted a rather long and confusing thread about the experience. Yesterday, I had another "pro" go over my data and explain to me what these numbers really mean, and confirm some first dyno readings. I'm a tad smarter now (which could be dangerous) and I am very pleased with the gear/chip/stat/plug upgrade kit from Dennis Reinhart. Here are the corrected figures from a Dynapack 5000 inertia dyno.

RWHP 266.4
RWTQ 285.0AFR 14.92
Certified top speed with 4:10 120 MPH
0-60 times 6.03 seconds, in 6/100th mile
Speedo error 40 MPH read is 38.83 MPH

On a bone stock MM, the upgrade kit is very productive, and well worth the money. A dyno test could be considered a pricey diagnostic, but if you really care to know more about your MM, it is again worth the money, IMHO.

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[Paul T. Casey]

I certianally appreciate what musclemerc is trying to do with this thread. I also know that the dyno is not the "be all, end all" for modification comparisson. I've run better with less horsepower than others, and visa-versa. My situation is somewhat unique as I believe I'm one of the few who hasn't done the 4.10 gears. Before anyone pipes up, I know gears do nothing for horsepower/torque, but they do work with hp/tq. I'm using this thread as a way to see who has done what, what seems to work, and just as important, what doesn't work (believe me, I've spent money for no gain or even a regression from time to time. I also know Sgt Mac didn't make 1000+ ft-lbs of torque, although I am holding out hope that "Mr. X" does have some big news for us. Anyway, to me I'm liking this thread, and my "braggin' dyno" is the actual track and/or "private speed contest" location.

[FordNut]

Joe Walsh: *325HP/340TQ* *Highest-BBS-HP/Torque*

Forged 5.0 big bore stroker engine


Joe doesn't have a BB/S, he has a 5.0 Big Bore.

There are two ways to get a 5.0 mod motor, one is with a big bore, the other is with a stroker.

A BB/S combines the big bore block and the stroker crank for a 5.3 and so far mine is the only one posted as a N/A setup, with 365/369

I assume Brian (BCastro) hasn't posted his data for his MMR 5.3 BB/S because he's waiting until it gets rebuilt to see what it makes next time around.

[Paul T. Casey]

I guess at some point we should post dollars spent to see what the cost was per each HP gained. LOL!!!

You trying to get me divorced?

[musclemerc]

Joe doesn't have a BB/S, he has a 5.0 Big Bore.

Thanks I fixed it.

There are two ways to get a 5.0 mod motor, one is with a big bore, the other is with a stroker.

A BB/S combines the big bore block and the stroker crank for a 5.3 and so far mine is the only one posted as a N/A setup, with 365/369

Wow!! You never emailed me this info. Hmmm I remember requesting it last week? You gotta dyno sheet for this setup?

I assume Brian (BCastro) hasn't posted his data for his MMR 5.3 BB/S because he's waiting until it gets rebuilt to see what it makes next time around.

Read post #10. I already said that.



Thanks Paul, you get the point. I'm also looking for what work's.... I started hunting for one of those flimsy PSRI's from the Naz man. If I can find one I will have to dust off my TIG welder and get to fixin.

[RacerX]

I believe NA SVT makes them too. ;)

[musclemerc]

^^Not a short runner. Roy on Mach1.net also is a good P&P guy, he also does a PSRI and reuse's the stock bottom piece

[FordNut]

A BB/S combines the big bore block and the stroker crank for a 5.3 and so far mine is the only one posted as a N/A setup, with 365/369

Wow!! You never emailed me this info. Hmmm I remember requesting it last week? You gotta dyno sheet for this setup?

I assume Brian (BCastro) hasn't posted his data for his MMR 5.3 BB/S because he's waiting until it gets rebuilt to see what it makes next time around.

Read post #10. I already said that.

I didn't email, I just posted the build info in this thread, it was easier to edit and add in mods that I had forgotten to mention.

Brian already does have dyno runs for the MMR 5.3 BB/S, but it didn't produce what he expected so I assume he's waiting for the next time around. I'll see if I can find the thread... I think it puts him near the top of the list even though he had problems. Pretty close to Joe Walsh's numbers but without headers.

edit: Found it, 315/357, it's posted here: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58491

[Go2GuyFL]

Someone gonna make this thread a stickie?

[musclemerc]

^^^That's up to the Mod's...

[dohc324ci]

Can someone email one of our mods?

[musclemerc]

PM sent.......

[ctrlraven]

I certianally appreciate what musclemerc is trying to do with this thread. I also know that the dyno is not the "be all, end all" for modification comparisson. I've run better with less horsepower than others, and visa-versa. My situation is somewhat unique as I believe I'm one of the few who hasn't done the 4.10 gears. Before anyone pipes up, I know gears do nothing for horsepower/torque, but they do work with hp/tq. I'm using this thread as a way to see who has done what, what seems to work, and just as important, what doesn't work (believe me, I've spent money for no gain or even a regression from time to time. I also know Sgt Mac didn't make 1000+ ft-lbs of torque, although I am holding out hope that "Mr. X" does have some big news for us. Anyway, to me I'm liking this thread, and my "braggin' dyno" is the actual track and/or "private speed contest" location.
Gears and torque converter can make a slight difference also. My dyno numbers were with a PI triple disc 3500 stall converter and stock 3.55 gears (3.50 effective gear ratio with 255/55-18 tires).

Info from PI's website www.converter.com
"The torque multiplication on the 9.5-inch series is 2.53 to 1 compared to stock at 1.93 to 1. The torque multiplication of the converter will deliver an increase of up to 50 horsepower to the rear wheels." I think the torque multiplication difference really helped on my torque number as it is around other NA members with headers and full exhaust.

[FordNut]

Gears and torque converter can make a slight difference also. My dyno numbers were with a PI triple disc 3500 stall converter and stock 3.55 gears (3.50 effective gear ratio with 255/55-18 tires).

Info from PI's website www.converter.com
"The torque multiplication on the 9.5-inch series is 2.53 to 1 compared to stock at 1.93 to 1. The torque multiplication of the converter will deliver an increase of up to 50 horsepower to the rear wheels." I think the torque multiplication difference really helped on my torque number as it is around other NA members with headers and full exhaust.

If the converter is locked, as is the case with most of our dyno runs, there should be no torque multiplication. However, the smaller converter and lower mass does result in quicker acceleration.

[FordNut]

So to summarize...

TAF: 242HP/261TQ *Stock MM*

Breeze: 242HP/259TQ *Stock MM*

Anonymous Member: 464HP/425TQ *Built 4.6 (eddy current dyno)*

FordNut: 365HP/369TQ *Built 5.3*

Joe Walsh: 325HP/340TQ *5.0 Big Bore*

dohc324ci (bcastro): 315HP/357TQ *MMR Built 5.3*

Impalaslayer: 306HP/295TQ *Stock Long Block*

Fordnut: 303HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Maryland: 302HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Paul T. Casey: 300HP/315TQ *Stock Long Block*

Glenn: 298HP/ *Stock Long Block*

kmastl: 294HP/307TQ *Stock Long Block*

Blackbeauty2: 293HP/308TQ *Stock Long Block*

2,4shofast: 292HP/284TQ *Stock Long Block*

TAF: 290HP/316TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 284HP/298TQ---2003MM *Stock Long Block*

ctrlraven: 282HP/313TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 278HP/288TQ---2004 MM *Stock Long Block*

4drcbra: 274HP/302TQ *Stock Long Block*

[musclemerc]

I will add Brian's info right now.

[FordNut]

dohc324ci: 317HP/357TQ *Highest -BBS- HP/TQ*

Wrong again...


365.4 rwhp, 368.9 rwtq



I will add Brian's info right now.
The fact that you don't want to put together a complete and accurate list may have some bearing on your inability to get this thread made into a sticky.


So to summarize...

TAF: 242HP/261TQ *Stock MM*

Breeze: 242HP/259TQ *Stock MM*

Anonymous Member: 464HP/425TQ *Built 4.6 (eddy current dyno)*

FordNut: 365HP/369TQ *Built 5.3*

Joe Walsh: 325HP/340TQ *5.0 Big Bore*

dohc324ci (bcastro): 315HP/357TQ *MMR Built 5.3*

Impalaslayer: 306HP/295TQ *Stock Long Block*

Fordnut: 303HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Maryland: 302HP/318TQ *Stock Long Block*

Paul T. Casey: 300HP/315TQ *Stock Long Block*

Glenn: 298HP/ *Stock Long Block*

kmastl: 294HP/307TQ *Stock Long Block*

Blackbeauty2: 293HP/308TQ *Stock Long Block*

2,4shofast: 292HP/284TQ *Stock Long Block*

TAF: 290HP/316TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 284HP/298TQ---2003MM *Stock Long Block*

ctrlraven: 282HP/313TQ *Stock Long Block*

Go2GuyFL: 278HP/288TQ---2004 MM *Stock Long Block*

4drcbra: 274HP/302TQ *Stock Long Block*

[musclemerc]

It's up to the mods to make it a sticky not up to me. They can do with this info whatever they like. I didnt make this thread with the intent of it becomming a sticky. I wrote it to give the N/A member's an idea of HP expectations with a combination of mods.

I said I would add Brian's info right now,,, I did, dohc324ci is Brian. LOL

Look Fordnut, I sent 2 or 3 emails to you begging for your info a week or two ago, you never responded to either of them. As a matter of fact you were the first person that came to mind when I made my list of member's to contact. You chose to post your mods (I sent you an email asking to please edit your post back because I already put it in the 1st thread. You did'nt). Email me the info and it will be included... Brian did, so did mostly everyone else

[ctrlraven]

If the converter is locked, as is the case with most of our dyno runs, there should be no torque multiplication. However, the smaller converter and lower mass does result in quicker acceleration.
The DRtune was DR's 3rd gear lock dyno run tune pull 30 mph to 149 mph to 6300 rpms, Zack's was 3rd gear 70 mph to 145 mph 6300 rpms.

[prchrman]

Musclemerc, thanks for this thread. I made a hand written list the other week of timeslips and NA mods so I could see how I wanted to go. This thread adds to that and IMNSHO helps me to better see what mods I will do. OBTW forget the ones critiquing you on how or why you have done this. Good info and a plus for the MM community in my book. I also like the ideal of $ per HP or $ per second in the quarter mile, would be very interesting.

[dohc324ci]

Travis I PM'd you Brian's numbers please post so we can move on with the thread and make it a sticky!!! You two are killing me.....

[ctrlraven]

Musclemerc, thanks for this thread. I made a hand written list the other week of timeslips and NA mods so I could see how I wanted to go. This thread adds to that and IMNSHO helps me to better see what mods I will do. OBTW forget the ones critiquing you on how or why you have done this. Good info and a plus for the MM community in my book. I also like the ideal of $ per HP or $ per second in the quarter mile, would be very interesting.
$ per HP or second in the 1/4 is going to vary because some members turn their own wrench while others have someone else do the work if you are going to include labor pricing. Also it can vary if someone got the part new or used.

[musclemerc]

Musclemerc, thanks for this thread. I made a hand written list the other week of timeslips and NA mods so I could see how I wanted to go. This thread adds to that and IMNSHO helps me to better see what mods I will do. OBTW forget the ones critiquing you on how or why you have done this. Good info and a plus for the MM community in my book. I also like the ideal of $ per HP or $ per second in the quarter mile, would be very interesting.

I'm glad this list is a help to you. I have also started a hunt for my next mods with the help from the member's that contributed the information within this thread. :beer:


Travis I PM'd you Brian's numbers please post so we can move on with the thread and make it a sticky!!! You two are killing me.....

I will edit the post. Thanks for the PM'ing the info Brian (Castro).


$ per HP or second in the 1/4 is going to vary because some members turn their own wrench while others have someone else do the work if you are going to include labor pricing. Also it can vary if someone got the part new or used.

I agree, especially considering I've moved alot of parts on the cheap to some of the member's, but the costs end up being an is~what it~is situation. You guys PM me your thoughts on posting the costs.

[FordNut]

Look, I sent 2 or 3 emails to you begging for your info a week or two ago, you never responded to either of them. As a matter of fact you were the first person that came to mind when I made my list of member's to contact. You chose to post your mods (I sent you an email asking to please edit your post back because I already put it in the 1st thread. You did'nt). Email me the info and it will be included... Brian did, so did mostly everyone else

I did reply, apparently your spam filter got it.

But since you're making the stand that only data you get in emails or PM's will be posted, I guess you're going to take out TAF's data? No, because he had shorty headers and that would skew the data in a direction you don't want.

Accuracy in reporting the data means nothing to you, so that makes this thread much less useful.

[Vortech347]

Hit the gym. I lost 70lbs and picked up a tenth.

[musclemerc]

I did reply, apparently your spam filter got it.

But since you're making the stand that only data you get in emails or PM's will be posted, I guess you're going to take out TAF's data? No, because he had shorty headers and that would skew the data in a direction you don't want.

Accuracy in reporting the data means nothing to you, so that makes this thread much less useful.


No TAF's data will stand just like Maryland's and Glenn's. I found their info posted in previous threads and saved it. This is info I already had for a long time. Again, everyone that PM'ed me their info got it posted and if that is not the case please call me out on it. Brian please let it go, you obviously have issues with me, sometimes you need to get over your dislike for an individual in an effort to work together. I courted you first hand because of the vast knowledge you have that is MM specific, not to get into another dispute with you. Please edit down your posts so the same info is'nt repeated 4~5 time's. Afterward's I will PM the Mod's to lock this thread so it does'nt get derailed again.

P.S. The Anonymous Member will stay at the bottom of the list greyed out until he is willing to come out and speak on his mods.

Thanks to all.

[FordNut]

Better wait until Brian gets his motor back together. I'd really be interested to see how it runs this time. Might be a good comparison of 10.5 vs 9.5 compression, shorty vs long tube headers, cam differences.

[musclemerc]

Brian's not the only one I'm waiting for RacerX, tjl006, myself, Brian H, etc.

I just don't want this thread derailed.

[dohc324ci]

Travis,

I should add I feel my numbers would be better had it not been for the following:

Steel insert wrong application - plug didn't protrude into the cylinder worth a few HP on my dyno it had peaks and valleys no doubt related to the plug
Stock Exhaust - weld in 2 chamber Flowmasters

***New NA setup will be with FR500 Cams, Full exhaust 2.5" pipes from cats to tailpipes and repaired insert.

[FordNut]

OOPS, they merged the NA and SC threads...
I wonder if the mods have an UNDO button?

[musclemerc]

I was just putting in more info and I was like WTF happened?

Well I guess were all in the same boat?

[ctrlraven]

I think NA and SC need to be in different threads and made a sticky.

[dohc324ci]

Who are the mods on this forum? These should be separate threads maybe just rename official NA HP thread and official SC HP

Example:
NA http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=515518thread?
SC http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=636840

[-Matt-]

can someone change it back please?

[ImpalaSlayer]

all aboard!
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/1272549006_294f713d3c.jpg

[-Matt-]

just have them put it back the way it was... silly mods

[musclemerc]

all aboard!
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/1272549006_294f713d3c.jpg

:banana: I fixed the thread :banana:

It is now back on track with just N/A information.
I also made it a sticky

[RacerX]

You didn't fix it enough Travis, I should have been in this list for a while now!!! :D

[musclemerc]

^^ I'm the Moderator in my forum. I can do alot now.
Sticky's, thread delete's, thread merge's, etc.

I have some cool plans for my forum, I gotta get outta the shop and take the time to sit at my desk.

[Lignum]

This thread is very informative. Thanks for compiling all this.

[musclemerc]

Thanks You good Sir.

[Mercguy04]

I lke your work Travis.
Please PM a place or number with time to contact you.
Thanks
Russell

[musclemerc]

Thanks Russell,

PM sent.