Quickest stock shortblock, n/a e.t.

[na svt]

What's the quickest full-weight, stock shortblock, n/a e.t.?

[musclemerc]

I would ask (Brian) Fordnut he had the highest HP/TQ MM in all classes.

I'm sure he has a few old posts or time slips laying around

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69992

[Pops]

Cruztaker went 13.25 with his. My Grand Marquis with a Marauder engine went 13.51. Ed from Florida, Blackmobile also went 13.51 and was .04 faster than mine if I remember right.

[SC Cheesehead]

Cruztaker went 13.25 with his. My Grand Marquis with a Marauder engine went 13.51. Ed from Florida, Blackmobile also went 13.51 and was .04 faster than mine if I remember right.

Far as I know, that's the record, and that was done under ideal conditions, IIRC.

[Pops]

High octane fuel any a special Lidio tune! The others were on 93 octane.

[RacerX]

Cruztaker went 13.25 with his.
Is he the one that had a horse jockey driving? :P

[Pops]

Barry is a little guy! The car also ran well into the 12s with some spray! Its SC now and runs 11.60 if I remember right.

[Bluerauder]

Cruztaker went 13.25 with his.

From the Capital Area Marauder (CAM) archives .....

• “Cruztaker” sets N/A Marauder 1/4 mile record at 13.270 @ 103.21 (23 October 2004, Mason-Dixon Dragway, MD) & gets Best Burnout trophy

[na svt]

So a 13.51 with a stock longblock is the quickest...we'll have to work on this.

13.2 is kinda sorry for a cammed combo. Surely someone has to have gone quicker since 2004.

[Pops]

Barry did not change cams.

[Bluerauder]

Surely someone has to have gone quicker since 2004.

Not N/A .... Don't think so. As I recall, Cruztaker (and others) worked 4 more years but didn't touch that 2004 run....... and then decided to supercharge in the 2008-2009 timeframe.

[Pops]

No one has gone quicker with a 4.6 on this site. Remember the race to the 12s thread where Glenn put up the 100.00 to the first guy to do it!!!! :)

[ctrlraven]

I did 13.63 with a bad trans parameter tune. I might try again soon now that I think I fixed the converter locking up issue I was having.

I'm determined to get over that 13.50 hump. My previous best was 13.72 on 3.55 gears with 16" drag radials and I've since added 4.10 gears, stock manifold back full exhaust, UD pullies, j-mod, 3" fuel filter and dyno tune.

[na svt]

I'm determined to get over that 13.50 hump. My previous best was 13.72 on 3.55 gears with 16" drag radials and I've since added 4.10 gears, stock manifold back full exhaust, UD pullies, j-mod, 3" fuel filter and dyno tune.

What diamater tire are ya'll running with the 4.10 gear? I have noticed that most people are only going with a 4.10. Why not a 4.30 or even a 4.56, especially with the tall tire?


Barry did not change cams.I got confused, I saw where Blurauder wrote "From the CAM archives ....." and thought he had cams.

[Pops]

26 inch tall tire with 4.10. A 4.30 would have helped. 1.75 60 foot times using MT et street tires. No wheel spin.

[ctrlraven]

What diamater tire are ya'll running with the 4.10 gear? I have noticed that most people are only going with a 4.10. Why not a 4.30 or even a 4.56, especially with the tall tire?

I got confused, I saw where Blurauder wrote "From the CAM archives ....." and thought he had cams.
I always ran a 255/55-18 as a street tire, since going to 4.10s got a slightly smaller 265/50-18 for street use. My drag radials is a BFG V1 255/50-16.

If I can't get faster than 13.63 then I need to take my car to a tuner and have them drive it around to get it dialed in right.

[RacerX]

So a 13.51 with a stock longblock is the quickest...we'll have to work on this.
You can have my car as a Beta!!!! ;)

[na svt]

I always ran a 255/55-18 as a street tire, since going to 4.10s got a slightly smaller 265/50-18 for street use. My drag radials is a BFG V1 255/50-16.

If I can't get faster than 13.63 then I need to take my car to a tuner and have them drive it around to get it dialed in right.

The first gear of the auto trans is very high and the 281ci engine makes no torque; the 4.10 gear is killing ya.

What rpm are you at going thru the traps?


You can have my car as a Beta!!!! ;)
Lets do it?

[RacerX]

I'm not sure she would make it with number 3 cylinder. :( MMR sb...

[ctrlraven]

The first gear of the auto trans is very high and the 281ci engine makes no torque; the 4.10 gear is killing ya.

What rpm are you at going thru the traps?
I'm also running a 3500 stall triple disc TC. I have no clue what my rpm is thru the trap, never bothered to look at it before. Next I go I will take notice.

I know the last time I trapped at 100 but that was with 255/50-16 drag radials.

[LANDY]

The first gear of the auto trans is very high and the 4.10 gear is killing ya.



what do you mean? The 4.10 gear is the best gear for an n/a marauder.

[99SVT]

what do you mean? The 4.10 gear is the best gear for an n/a marauder.

For all out drag setup with an N/A Marauder that probably won't trap higher than 110mph and a stock height tire 4.56 would be pretty good. It'll let the trans run in 3rd through most of the powerband.

With 4.10's and 255/50R16 trapping at 100mph puts the engine rpm around 5500rpm. 4.30's would be around 5700 and 4.56's around 6100. That's assuming a locked up torque converter and a mostly inflated tire, the trap rpm may be higher if the tire pressure is dropped too much.

[LANDY]

Yes for all out drag racing 4.30's or even 4.56's will be ideal but most of us drive our cars on the streets.
And no matter what gear you use no n/a marauder will ever see 110mph for trap speed.

[ctrlraven]

With 4.10's and 255/50R16 trapping at 100mph puts the engine rpm around 5500rpm.

That sounds about right.

[na svt]

Yes for all out drag racing 4.30's or even 4.56's will be ideal but most of us drive our cars on the streets.
And no matter what gear you use no n/a marauder will ever see 110mph for trap speed.
A 4.56 gear with a stock marauder rear tire is very similar to a 4.10 geared mustang with a 26" tire. Ya don't hear them complaining. A 4.30 or 4.56 gear with a 28.5" tall tire would make for a great daily driver and hwy mpg would not suffer. Run the tall tires on the street and go to a 26" tall tire at the track.


what do you mean? The 4.10 gear is the best gear for an n/a marauder.
4.10s are a great all around gear for getting groceries and adding a little quickness, but they are far from a perfect 1/4 mile gear for a marauder.

How can you expect to be quick in the quarter if you're going thru the traps at only 5500rpm? It's a 4v, it makes power much higher than 5500. The 4.10 geared, mustang autos are quickest when going thru the traps at 6500 or higher, a marauder sure ain't gonna get there with 4.10s and a stock diameter marauder tire.

[Joe Walsh]

IIRC:
Barry (Cruztaker) ran the quickest stock block (untouched internals 4.6L) 1/4 mile....13.25
He had a host of bolt ons and semi bald street Pirellis.
Weather was cool and dry.
He also used race gas and a tune to go with the fuel.

[SC Cheesehead]

IIRC:
Barry (Cruztaker) ran the quickest stock block (untouched internals 4.6L) 1/4 mile....13.25
He had a host of bolt ons and semi bald street Pirellis.
Weather was cool and dry.
He also used race gas and a tune to go with the fuel.

That's what I'm saying, gonna be real tough to get below that with an N/A engine.

[Joe Walsh]

That's what I'm saying, gonna be real tough to get below that with an N/A engine.

With an *engine, mods and tune similar to Barry's, yet adding more gear and good Drag radials it is possible.

* The problem is that you would have to start with a factory OEM engine that is "just right".
There are/were some members who, for some reason, had a really sweet OEM engine and ran much better than average ETs.
One of these OEM engines would have to be the starting point for your quest to the 12s N/A.

[na svt]

has anyone gone quicker with cams, either aftermarket or those from a Cobra?

In a mach 1 the 96-98 intake cams installed dot to dot lower e.t. by 2 tenths. Installed at a 108 LC the e.t. would be even quicker. In a Marauder I would install them at 106, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be worth 1.5-2 tenths. Longer duration cams at a very low lobe center could be worth much more.

[SC Cheesehead]

has anyone gone quicker with cams, either aftermarket or those from a Cobra?

In a mach 1 the 96-98 intake cams installed dot to dot lower e.t. by 2 tenths. Installed at a 108 LC the e.t. would be even quicker. In a Marauder I would install them at 106, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be worth 1.5-2 tenths. Longer duration cams at a very low lobe center could be worth much more.

03mmmonroe's got a set going in his car, you may want to hook up with him for some collaboration.

[RacerX]

I did last year following you on other sites. I had the NAZ PSRI too though and you had mentioned that was too much for my car. Pulled that off, put the stocker back on. Lower torque is definitely back, better than ever and I'm still pulling hard through 7,00 rpm. No dyno yet. Rebuild in the works due to number three slapping away.

[musclemerc]

has anyone gone quicker with cams, either aftermarket or those from a Cobra?

In a mach 1 the 96-98 intake cams installed dot to dot lower e.t. by 2 tenths. Installed at a 108 LC the e.t. would be even quicker. In a Marauder I would install them at 106, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be worth 1.5-2 tenths. Longer duration cams at a very low lobe center could be worth much more.

Mine are comming very soon.


I did last year following you on other sites. I had the NAZ PSRI too though and you had mentioned that was too much for my car. Pulled that off, put the stocker back on. Lower torque is definitely back, better than ever and I'm still pulling hard through 7,00 rpm. No dyno yet. Rebuild in the works due to number three slapping away.

WTH you got a problem on #3cylinder, you just did the engine swap?

[RacerX]

WTH you got a problem on #3cylinder, you just did the engine swap?
Yeah. Only 3k on new motor. I've had what was "piston slap" in ONLY #3 since she was fired up. We had her on a lift running and put our ears all over the block for half an hour at the dyno shop last summer. Dana said just keep an ear out and if it doesn't get any worse over time... meh. It's getting worse... At least now I can do a few more things to her while she's apart!:D
Re-ring, new bearings, re-hone. I'm checking every damn thing myself this time.

[musclemerc]

Who built the SB Bill?

[RacerX]

That would be MMR... I just figured if I need to rip her apart and fix it myself, it's cheaper than paying for shipping to Cali for a warranty repair and not having it for a while. Get to advance those 98 cams like I was originally going to do and I'm going to degree it. :) It's all good!

[MMBLUE]

has anyone gone quicker with cams, either aftermarket or those from a Cobra?

In a mach 1 the 96-98 intake cams installed dot to dot lower e.t. by 2 tenths. Installed at a 108 LC the e.t. would be even quicker. In a Marauder I would install them at 106, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be worth 1.5-2 tenths. Longer duration cams at a very low lobe center could be worth much more.

After I get the 01 cams you sent me on, I already have a base line of what I got thus far. I plan on putting U/D pullies on as well. I was going too do both at the same time but now I'll probably do cams, run it down the strip, then U/D pullies and see real world gains or losses from each individual MOD.

[FordNut]

Barry did 13.25
I did 13.3x (don't remember exactly, but I was right behind him).

Stock long block, N/A

[na svt]

Barry did 13.25
I did 13.3x (don't remember exactly, but I was right behind him).
Stock long block, N/A
That's quick for a big car with a little, stock engine.

[na svt]

I plan on putting U/D pullies on as well. I was going too do both at the same time but now I'll probably do cams, run it down the strip, then U/D pullies and see real world gains or losses from each individual MOD.
Go with the March Fluid Damper and a stock runner length ported intake.