Intake Spacer

[VMARAUDER]

has anyone put a throttle body intake spacer on their Marauder, I did a couple of days ago and what I have experienced is:

1: Idle speed is at approx 650rpm when 1st started whereas it was higher before then came down to 650

2: gas mileage did increase 3mpg (city)

Does anyone have any insight on the idle speed

[fastblackmerc]

has anyone put a throttle body intake spacer on their Marauder, I did a couple of days ago and what I have experienced is:

1: Idle speed is at approx 650rpm when 1st started whereas it was higher before then came down to 650

2: gas mileage did increase 3mpg (city)

Does anyone have any insight on the idle speed

Try disconnecting the battery for about 15 minutes. That will force the computer to relearn your driving style.

[VMARAUDER]

Sure will, thanks
Then on programing chips, seems like the one to get is the
SCT Performance 3015 SF3 Power Flash Device (http://www.amazon.com/SCT-Performance-3015-Power-Device/dp/B002L1F08I/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1308146788&sr=1-1)

[Rockettman]

Sure will, thanks
Then on programing chips, seems like the one to get is the
SCT Performance 3015 SF3 Power Flash Device (http://www.amazon.com/SCT-Performance-3015-Power-Device/dp/B002L1F08I/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1308146788&sr=1-1)

YUP!! Certainly is!

[RacerX]

Get it from Dennis or Lidio. You need a good tune with it and they will provide that and future tunes/support.

Check the vendor forums for Reinhart Automotive and Alternative Automotive. Both good imho.

[MOTOWN]

has anyone put a throttle body intake spacer on their Marauder, I did a couple of days ago and what I have experienced is:

1: Idle speed is at approx 650rpm when 1st started whereas it was higher before then came down to 650

2: gas mileage did increase 3mpg (city)

Does anyone have any insight on the idle speed

what throttle body spacer did you go with? pics??

[bugsyc]

Question,what does a throtle body spacer do,in terms of performance..or,what is the reason for installing one???inquiring minds want to know..

[CBT]

Question,what does a throtle body spacer do,in terms of performance..or,what is the reason for installing one???inquiring minds want to know..

It spaces the throttle body, silly goose! :P

[SC Cheesehead]

Question,what does a throtle body spacer do,in terms of performance..or,what is the reason for installing one???inquiring minds want to know..


It spaces the throttle body, silly goose! :P

That's about all is does. ;)

IIRC, limited performance gain, especially on a N/A engine with minimal mods.

[bugsyc]

You guys are sharp...Then why put one in???

[SC Cheesehead]

You guys are sharp...Then why put one in???

Two words: Snake Oil...;)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snake%20oil

[slickster]

This is also what I think of the intake spacer

[MOTOWN]

intake spacers work, the principal is simple: increasing the volume of the intake by spacing it, if they didnt work i would be the first to report it, and sell mines! , the throttle body spacer works on the same principle plus some have helical cut bores to increase the velocity of the incoming air, ive used them in the past you typicaly get 1-3 mpg increase, and little more torque well worth the money.

[Rockettman]

If cheap enough...I'd try one! Live and learn.
Were can I look?

[SC Cheesehead]

intake spacers work, the principal is simple: increasing the volume of the intake by spacing it, if they didnt work i would be the first to report it, and sell mines! , the throttle body spacer works on the same principle plus some have helical cut bores to increase the velocity of the incoming air, ive used them in the past you typicaly get 1-3 mpg increase, and little more torque well worth the money.

So, if I increase the volume of air going into my car, say by supercharging, and generate 5 to 10 lbs of boost (i.e. 5x to 10x over stock velocity) I should be able to expect a cooresponding increase in mpg as well, as I've substantially increased the volume and velocity of the incoming air; correct?

Like I said, snake oil... ;)

[MOTOWN]

If cheap enough...I'd try one! Live and learn.
Were can I look?

your talking to the king of deal finding! i got mines off ebay for $85 shipped brand new in the package w/a new ford intake gasket, and bolts from northwood gt

i gaurantee you wont be dissapointed!:beer:

[Joe Walsh]

So, if I increase the volume of air going into my car, say by supercharging, and generate 5 to 10 lbs of boost (i.e. 5x to 10x over stock velocity) I should be able to expect a cooresponding increase in mpg as well, as I've substantially increased the volume and velocity of the incoming air; correct?

Like I said, snake oil... ;)

I agree....if cutting a few spirals into the intake throttle bores created a 1-3 MPG difference, EVERY vehicle on the road would have these as OEM equipment.

Personally, I'll stay with my +3 mpg fuel line magnets.....:rolleyes:

[MOTOWN]

So, if I increase the volume of air going into my car, say by supercharging, and generate 5 to 10 lbs of boost (i.e. 5x to 10x over stock velocity) I should be able to expect a cooresponding increase in mpg as well, as I've substantially increased the volume and velocity of the incoming air; correct?

Like I said, snake oil... ;)

thats not what i said, this is simple physics the spacer adds volume to the intake you cannot argue that fact, that extra air introduced to the intake increases breathing on the engine, the more air an engine has availible ,the more power its going to make period! you can hollar "snake oil" all day it doesnt take away from the fact these spacers work!

but i will say your supercharger theory is just that SNAKE OIL!;)

[Rockettman]

Can't find one. Lots of Mustang ones (87-93), but none for a 4V.

[CBT]

So, if I increase the volume of air going into my car, say by supercharging, and generate 5 to 10 lbs of boost (i.e. 5x to 10x over stock velocity) I should be able to expect a cooresponding increase in mpg as well, as I've substantially increased the volume and velocity of the incoming air; correct?

Like I said, snake oil... ;)


thats not what i said, this is simple physics the spacer adds volume to the intake you cannot argue that fact, that extra air introduced to the intake increases breathing on the engine, the more air an engine has availible ,the more power its going to make period! you can hollar "snake oil" all day it doesnt take away from the fact these spacers work!

but i will say your supercharger theory is just that SNAKE OIL!;)

I am going to combine both of your theories, and, if my calculations are correct based on the fact that I plan on moving a metric **** ton of air thru my engine with my right foot, my Marauder will actually produce its own gasoline due to the increase in MPG. Sometimes I WIN so hard, it's scary.

[MOTOWN]

Can't find one. Lots of Mustang ones (87-93), but none for a 4V.

do a seach for northwood gt ebay store

[MOTOWN]

I am going to combine both of your theories, and, if my calculations are correct based on the fact that I plan on moving a metric **** ton of air thru my engine with my right foot, my Marauder will actually produce its own gasoline due to the increase in MPG. Sometimes I WIN so hard, it's scary.

ill say this you are truly the site comic:lol:always good for giggles

[slickster]

I did think twice about my intake spacer comment. And I knew this would happen

[CBT]

ill say this you are truly the site comic:lol:always good for giggles

That's what she sa.....wait a minuuuuuuute.....:mad:

So, do you run an intake spacer AND a throttle body spacer? Or does anyone who is reading this thread use both? Because, in all seriousness, if one makes a difference, 2 should (theoretically i guess) double it?

[LANDY]

It all depends on the engine, in some engines the throttle body space makes a difference in others they don't. I know for a fact that in our engines the intake spacer IS good for 3-5rwhp.
For 100 bucks, I'll take it.

[Rockettman]

ill say this you are truly the site comic:lol:always good for giggles

GIGGLES :banana2::banana2:
http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/giggles-the-clown-patty-vicknair-ps-ov-art.jpg

[MOTOWN]

That's what she sa.....wait a minuuuuuuute.....:mad:

So, do you run an intake spacer AND a throttle body spacer? Or does anyone who is reading this thread use both? Because, in all seriousness, if one makes a difference, 2 should (theoretically i guess) double it?

im currently running an intake spacer, i have a throttle body spacer, but on the mm a bracket mod has to be done to space the throttle cable bracket 1" to match the spacer or its not going to idle properly

ill get around to one day

[cougar9150]

Can't find one. Lots of Mustang ones (87-93), but none for a 4V.

I believe it will be the Mach 1 spacer, check out Paul's High Performance they used to have one.

[slickster]

Yea there might be a good point. Also if you have all the basic mods I can see it doing something. The tb might gain 5rwt at low rpm and a few rwhp but will drop off at high rpm

[CBT]

It all depends on the engine, in some engines the throttle body space makes a difference in others they don't. I know for a fact that in our engines the intake spacer IS good for 3-5rwhp.
For 100 bucks, I'll take it.

Heck yeah. Let's say it makes an actual 5 RWHP. For 85 bucks, that's 17 dollars per 1RWHP. To gain 200 RWHP by spending 5,000 dollars for a supercharger, you are spending 25 dollars to make 1RWhP, correct?

[Rockettman]

Heck yeah. Let's say it makes an actual 5 RWHP. For 85 bucks, that's 17 dollars per 1RWHP. To gain 200 RWHP by spending 5,000 dollars for a supercharger, you are spending 25 dollars to make 1RWhP, correct?

Or spend just $1024, and buy enough spacers to get the 200RWHP. :D

[MOTOWN]

yeah i guess you can do a $$ breakdown per horse power, try one bud, and you too will be a wittness! lol

[CBT]

Or spend just $1024, and buy enough spacers to get the 200RWHP. :D

Muhahahaaa! Now that was funny!


yeah i guess you can do a $$ breakdown per horse power, try one bud, and you too will be a wittness! lol

Trust me, I'm not doubting you. Great topic. So does anyone running a supercharger run a spacer? Or is that not possible to get one between the lower and the blower. Hey that rhymes. And I think I spelled that wrong.

[Rockettman]

Yah I'm just screwing around too.
I'd try one for the price.

[MOTOWN]

Muhahahaaa! Now that was funny!



Trust me, I'm not doubting you. Great topic. So does anyone running a supercharger run a spacer? Or is that not possible to get one between the lower and the blower. Hey that rhymes. And I think I spelled that wrong.

yeah Dennis Rienhart has one on his mm, and so do other s/c centri members, maybe they will chime in

[SC Cheesehead]

thats not what i said, this is simple physics the spacer adds volume to the intake you cannot argue that fact, that extra air introduced to the intake increases breathing on the engine, the more air an engine has availible ,the more power its going to make period! you can hollar "snake oil" all day it doesnt take away from the fact these spacers work!


but i will say your supercharger theory is just that SNAKE OIL!;)

1. How thick is the spacer? Unless it's pretty good sized, you're not going to be adding much volume. I will agree that if it's made of a phenolic material, it will dissipate or block heat which will result in a slightly cooler (and accordingly denser) air which would be a performance benefit.

2. Having "more air availible", in the form of volume alone, won't do much for an engine unless you've improved air flow to accomodate the volume. You accomplish that with lower restriction air intake and exhaust, or by power adders.

3. As said by another poster, if intake spacers were that great, EVERYBODY would be running one. But hey, if you think it works, great.


My supercharger theory does require tweaking, I'll admit. Have been able to see a substantial improvement in power output, but not mpg, especially when generating positive manifold pressure... ;)




I agree....if cutting a few spirals into the intake throttle bores created a 1-3 MPG difference, EVERY vehicle on the road would have these as OEM equipment.

Personally, I'll stay with my +3 mpg fuel line magnets.....:rolleyes:

^^^^ Now THOSE ^^^^ work. Says so right here:

http://www.fuelmax.lv/info.php?lang=eng

http://www.fuelsaverpro.co.uk/

[MOTOWN]

1. How thick is the spacer? Unless it's pretty good sized, you're not going to be adding much volume. I will agree that if it's made of a phenolic material, it will dissipate or block heat which will result in a slightly cooler (and accordingly denser) air which would be a performance benefit.

2. Having "more air availible", in the form of volume alone, won't do much for an engine unless you've improved air flow to accomodate the volume. You accomplish that with lower restriction air intake and exhaust, or by power adders.

3. As said by another poster, if intake spacers were that great, EVERYBODY would be running one. But hey, if you think it works, great.


My supercharger theory does require tweaking, I'll admit. Have been able to see a substantial improvement in power output, but not mpg, especially when generating positive manifold pressure... ;)





^^^^ Now THOSE ^^^^ work. Says so right here:

http://www.fuelmax.lv/info.php?lang=eng

http://www.fuelsaverpro.co.uk/

i think its 1/2" thick, i agree 1" would have been beter but you would never get the egr tube reconnected, and raising the upper intake 1" may run into hood clearance issues, as for every body having one it comes down to where you spend your $$ s/c work, but not everybody has one, metco control arms work, but not every one has them either! see where im going with that bud?

as i said, if these spacers did not work i would have sold it!,i have a ton of mustang buddies who would love to snag it!

[SC Cheesehead]

I agree....if cutting a few spirals into the intake throttle bores created a 1-3 MPG difference, EVERY vehicle on the road would have these as OEM equipment.

Personally, I'll stay with my +3 mpg fuel line magnets.....:rolleyes:


i think its 1/2" thick, i agree 1" would have been beter but you would never get the egr tube reconnected, and raising the upper intake 1" may run into hood clearance issues, as for every body having one it comes down to where you spend your $$ s/c work, but not everybody has one, metco control arms work, but not every one has them either! see where im going with that bud?

as i said, if these spacers did not work i would have sold it!,i have a ton of mustang buddies who would love to snag it!

Fair enough.

Would be interesting to see some dyno numbers before and after to quantify actual performance gains, that would help quiet us skeptics.

[CBT]

I wish I had the time and the parts and i guess dyno access to mess with all these ideas. Just put some of these ideas to bed or figure out that they work. And if they do, at what cost. And can it be made cheaper. All that jazz. When I hit the lottery, I'm going to build a Marauder R&D shop that we can all use. :beer:

[MOTOWN]

well your right about the dyno numbers, but when i hit the rollers, ill have my teksid stroker, and a hogan sheet metal intake under the hood!

hey maybe ill put a throttle body spacer on it! lol

[Rockettman]

When I hit the lottery, I'm going to build a Marauder R&D shop that we can all use. :beer:
Ohhh weee! I brings da' golden "makes me forgets my life" juice! :canada:

[CBT]

Ohhh weee! I brings da' golden "makes me forgets my life" juice! :canada:

I'm talking drag strip and everything. Canada was always good to me so you's will always be invited. :beer:

[LANDY]

I believe someone did a before and after test on the dyno back in the day. Maybe someone can dig it up.

[Joe Walsh]

That's what she sa.....wait a minuuuuuuute.....:mad:

So, do you run an intake spacer AND a throttle body spacer? Or does anyone who is reading this thread use both?
Because, in all seriousness, if one makes a difference, 2 should (theoretically i guess) double it?

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.....little grasshopper!
I see that you have fallen into the Retard Ricer world of HP calculation.
Please refrain from any further bolt-ons and curtail all application of wings, spoilers and stickers to your Honda!

[CBT]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.....little grasshopper!
I see that you have fallen into the Retard Ricer world of HP calculation.
Please refrain from any further bolt-ons and curtail all application of wings, spoilers and stickers to your Honda!

LMAO! I cannot believe you just called me a Ricer, lol. I did not mean 2 back to back throttle body spacers or 2 back to back intake spacers, I meant 1 of each, hence, 2 being better than 1. Foo! :D

[Joe Walsh]

LMAO! I cannot believe you just called me a Ricer, lol. I did not mean 2 back to back throttle body spacers or 2 back to back intake spacers, I meant 1 of each, hence, 2 being better than 1. Foo! :D

Please remain calm little ricer....errrr.....I mean grasshopper.
You are free to bolt on whatever, and as many of them, as you wish.
I cautioned you only because I know how dearly you love your 600 Fwhp Civic.
It would be most shameful if your triple intake spacer mod caused your NOS to backfire and ruin your double leafblower mod.

[CBT]

Please remain calm little ricer....errrr.....I mean grasshopper.
You are free to bolt on whatever, and as many of them, as you wish.
I cautioned you only because I know how dearly you love your 600 Fwhp Civic.
It would be most shameful if your triple intake spacer mod caused your NOS to backfire and ruin your double leafblower mod.

Hmmm...forced induction via cordless leaf blower aimed at the front of the air filter...

[Joe Walsh]

Hmmm...forced induction via cordless leaf blower aimed at the front of the air filter...

I've tried it....unfortunately my cigarette lighter socket kept blowing fuses....:mad2:
When I could get both leaf blowers spooled up, I was layin' down at least 4-5 extra HP.

YEAH BABY!!!......:banana2:

(Next time I'll try cordless leaf blowers per your suggestion.)

[ctrlraven]

The intake manifold spacer is good to have if you have a intake kit (JLT, K&N, whatever else) and full exhaust or opened exhaust.

[SC Cheesehead]

The intake manifold spacer is good to have if you have a intake kit (JLT, K&N, whatever else) and full exhaust or opened exhaust.

That's kinda what I was getting at.

It may be a worthwhile mod, but IMO, it would be done AFTER multiple preliminary mods to take advantage of improved air flow into and out of the engine.

Kinda like back in the day when we still all ran carburetors, if a guy was runnng a 650 cfm Holley on a stock 389 GTO and it ran well, changing to a 750 cfm would sure increase the volume of air going into the engine; but without doing any other work to the engine the bigger carb wouldn't do squat (if anything, the thing would bog like hell when you punched it).

Ask me how I know... :o

[VMARAUDER]

The power gain is minimal but the mpg increased significantly and with these high prices for premium thats a good thing. Will publish name and see if I can get a pic uploaded.

[VMARAUDER]

Trans Dapt multi-port fuel injection spacer
#2569 torque curve spacer
It is 1 inch thick and I had to make some spacers to move the throttle cable forward 1" . I used 3/4 in dia. solid alum rod and drilled the centers
My concern is when I start cold my engine idles at 650rpm instead of the 900 or so til it warms up

[CBT]

The power gain is minimal but the mpg increased significantly and with these high prices for premium thats a good thing. Will publish name and see if I can get a pic uploaded.

Sounds like a good reason to me. :beer:

[SC Cheesehead]

Sounds like a good reason to me. :beer:

Yeah, I hear it's over 9,000...

[Blackened300a]

Kinda like back in the day when we still all ran carburetors, if a guy was runnng a 650 cfm Holley on a stock 389 GTO and it ran well, changing to a 750 cfm would sure increase the volume of air going into the engine; but without doing any other work to the engine the bigger carb wouldn't do squat (if anything, the thing would bog like hell when you punched it).

Ask me how I know... :o

Been there, we threw a 750cfm Holley on my Uncles 65 442, We also put a edlebrock performer manifold with long tube headers, it ran strong but it would hesitate a bit off the line and midrange due it being choked on the large amount of gas being dumped in. We even re-jetted the carb to cut some of the fuel back, it helped a little but not enough.
We swapped it out for a 650cfm and it became a totally different animal. We could light the tires through 1-3 gears and no more hesitiation.
Sometimes less is more.

The intake spacer bogged me off the line and I had a PHP intake installed as well. It seems to work better with a tune. Like any engine, the more air you move in and out, the more power you'll make.

[SC Cheesehead]

Been there, we threw a 750cfm Holley on my Uncles 65 442, We also put a edlebrock performer manifold with long tube headers, it ran strong but it would hesitate a bit off the line and midrange due it being choked on the large amount of gas being dumped in. We even re-jetted the carb to cut some of the fuel back, it helped a little but not enough.
We swapped it out for a 650cfm and it became a totally different animal. We could light the tires through 1-3 gears and no more hesitiation.
Sometimes less is more.

The intake spacer bogged me off the line and I had a PHP intake installed as well. It seems to work better with a tune. Like any engine, the more air you move in and out, the more power you'll make.

Mine was a '65 GTO, same deal.

Ezackly! Like frdwrnch told me when I first started modding my car, "an engine is basically just a big air pump; the more air you can move in and out of it, the stronger it will perform."

[CBT]

Kinda like back in the day when we still all ran carburetors, if a guy was runnng a 650 cfm Holley on a stock 389 GTO and it ran well, changing to a 750 cfm would sure increase the volume of air going into the engine; but without doing any other work to the engine the bigger carb wouldn't do squat (if anything, the thing would bog like hell when you punched it).

Ask me how I know... :o

*Flashback*

Rex - "Hey guys, I just put a new super groovy bigger carb on my Goat."

Rex's friends - "Groovy, man." "Far out." "Fight the power!"

Rex - "Watch me test it out by jumping this groovy bridge!"

Rex's friends - "Groovy, man." "Far out." " "Fight the power!"

Rex - "And I've got the perfect groovy 8-track to play when I do it, Lawrence Welk's Greatest Hit."

Rex's friends - "...crickets......"....."....crickets......"...."That's what she said!"

*From the 8-track*
"Annna one annna two annnna-"
VrooomVroomVroooooooooomSKREee eeeeeeeeeeTHUNK.

Rex - "GRRR, I should have used a thicker spacer!!"

25171

[RacerX]

BTW. Spacers decrease air flow time to combustion chamber. That "Volume" you're increasing is in a vacuum until those blades are opened. It may help with velocity a tad or smoothing the airflow turbulence, but, you are not adding more air to the engine, period.

[SC Cheesehead]

*Flashback*

Rex - "Hey guys, I just put a new super groovy bigger carb on my Goat."

Rex's friends - "Groovy, man." "Far out." "Fight the power!"

Rex - "Watch me test it out by jumping this groovy bridge!"

Rex's friends - "Groovy, man." "Far out." " "Fight the power!"

Rex - "And I've got the perfect groovy 8-track to play when I do it, Lawrence Welk's Greatest Hit."

Rex's friends - "...crickets......"....."....crickets......"...."That's what she said!"

*From the 8-track*
"Annna one annna two annnna-"
VrooomVroomVroooooooooomSKREee eeeeeeeeeeTHUNK.

Rex - "GRRR, I should have used a thicker spacer!!"

25171

:rofl: VERY close to the actual event, but it was a CCR 8 track tape ...;)

[QUOTE=RacerX;1057880]BTW. Spacers decrease air flow time to combustion chamber. That "Volume" you're increasing is in a vacuum until those blades are opened. It may help with velocity a tad or smoothing the airflow turbulence, but, you are not adding more air to the engine, period.[QUOTE]

:up: That's the point I've been trying to make all along. A phenolic spacer may provide cooler/denser air, it may add minimal volume to the intake system, but if you can't get MORE air into or out of the engine (via larger ports, a bigger carb or throttle body, longer duration cams, a stroked engine, headers, low restriction exhaust, etc.) you're not doing much to improve performance with the addition of spacer(s).

[MOTOWN]

BTW. Spacers decrease air flow time to combustion chamber. That "Volume" you're increasing is in a vacuum until those blades are opened. It may help with velocity a tad or smoothing the airflow turbulence, but, you are not adding more air to the engine, period.


:rofl: VERY close to the actual event, but it was a CCR 8 track tape ...;)

[QUOTE=RacerX;1057880]BTW. Spacers decrease air flow time to combustion chamber. That "Volume" you're increasing is in a vacuum until those blades are opened. It may help with velocity a tad or smoothing the airflow turbulence, but, you are not adding more air to the engine, period.[QUOTE]

:up: That's the point I've been trying to make all along. A phenolic spacer may provide cooler/denser air, it may add minimal volume to the intake system, but if you can't get MORE air into or out of the engine (via larger ports, a bigger carb or throttle body, longer duration cams, a stroked engine, headers, low restriction exhaust, etc.) you're not doing much to improve performance with the addition of spacer(s).

now that larry, and curly have given bad/wrong info all we need is the third stoogie to make it the gospel!:lol:

[SC Cheesehead]

[QUOTE=SC Cheesehead;1057911]:rofl: VERY close to the actual event, but it was a CCR 8 track tape ...;)

[QUOTE=RacerX;1057880]BTW. Spacers decrease air flow time to combustion chamber. That "Volume" you're increasing is in a vacuum until those blades are opened. It may help with velocity a tad or smoothing the airflow turbulence, but, you are not adding more air to the engine, period.

now that larry, and curly have given bad/wrong info all we need is the third stoogie to make it the gospel!:lol:

Post up some before and after dyno data and I'll retract my comments in a heartbeat.

[guspech750]

*Flashback*

Rex - "Hey guys, I just put a new super groovy bigger carb on my Goat."

Rex's friends - "Groovy, man." "Far out." "Fight the power!"

Rex - "Watch me test it out by jumping this groovy bridge!"

Rex's friends - "Groovy, man." "Far out." " "Fight the power!"

Rex - "And I've got the perfect groovy 8-track to play when I do it, Lawrence Welk's Greatest Hit."

Rex's friends - "...crickets......"....."....crickets......"...."That's what she said!"

*From the 8-track*
"Annna one annna two annnna-"
VrooomVroomVroooooooooomSKREee eeeeeeeeeeTHUNK.

Rex - "GRRR, I should have used a thicker spacer!!"

25171

LMAO!!!!! Good one Casey!!


Sent from my iPhone
Go White Sox!!!

[MOTOWN]

[QUOTE=motown marauder;1058068][QUOTE=SC Cheesehead;1057911]:rofl: VERY close to the actual event, but it was a CCR 8 track tape ...;)



Post up some before and after dyno data and I'll retract my comments in a heartbeat.

errrr that aint going to happen bud! when i start paying for dyno time ill have my built motor in the car, im not that pressed to convince you, if you disagree with intake spacers i respect that, but i know different:coolman:

[SC Cheesehead]

[QUOTE=SC Cheesehead;1058105][QUOTE=motown marauder;1058068]

errrr that aint going to happen bud! when i start paying for dyno time ill have my built motor in the car, im not that pressed to convince you, if you disagree with intake spacers i respect that, but i know different:coolman:

I'm not suggesting YOU have to dyno your car before and after, I'm just saying that if there's dyno data out there to back up the claims then I'd be interested in seeing it.

I know you're convinced on the performance and mileage gains that spacers are supposed to provide, and that's fine; but think about the logic for a second: If I (or anyone for that matter) install a 1/2" piece of plastic in the car, with no other changes to the engine, I (we) will get more hp/trq, plus improve mileage on the vehicle just from the addition of that piece of plastic? And that's based on SOTP impressions but no hard data to confirm the claims?

I remain very skeptical, as do many others, but I'll readily admit my error if anyone can produce dyno data to support the claim for improved performance, along with fuel mileage logs for comparison.

[MOTOWN]

[QUOTE=motown marauder;1058124][QUOTE=SC Cheesehead;1058105]

I'm not suggesting YOU have to dyno your car before and after, I'm just saying that if there's dyno data out there to back up the claims then I'd be interested in seeing it.

I know you're convinced on the performance and mileage gains that spacers are supposed to provide, and that's fine; but think about the logic for a second: If I (or anyone for that matter) install a 1/2" piece of plastic in the car, with no other changes to the engine, I (we) will get more hp/trq, plus improve mileage on the vehicle just from the addition of that piece of plastic? And that's based on SOTP impressions but no hard data to confirm the claims?

I remain very skeptical, as do many others, but I'll readily admit my error if anyone can produce dyno data to support the claim for improved performance, along with fuel mileage logs for comparison.

you make an excellent point!, and i agree with you, maybe Dennis Reinhart, or some one else may have some info of that nature, i would also like to see the numbers on paper as well so you can retract your statements!;)

[captain]

Atomization

[SC Cheesehead]

Atomization

Air fuel mixture is already atomized via fuel injectors and air flow into the intake system through the TB. Further atomization would require interaction from one of these dynamics:

Fluid Pressure

Air Pressure

Centrifgual Force

Electrostatic Field

Ultrasonic Vibration

Don't see where an intake or TB spacer would generate any of the above. Sooooo, best bet would prolly be to go for dynamic #4 via this route:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/fv/PMX0905gas006_large.jpg

Refer to post #17.... :rolleyes:

[RacerX]

Or he just atomized a martini. :P

[SC Cheesehead]

Or he just atomized a martini. :P

Now THAT ^^^^ sounds like a plan!! :D ----> :beer:

[cougar9150]

I plan on making one out of phenolic material in my companies machine shop. It may be a couple months but I'll get you some data since I plan on doing a baseline pull, then install it and see the difference it makes if any.

I was half wondering if it would be possible to cool it by machining an aluminum piece with a tube in it then spraying a little N20 through the tube. Would mainly be for track only use but think it might possibly help with cooler temps. Kind of like a little cryo break between the upper and lower intakes.

[SC Cheesehead]

I plan on making one out of phenolic material in my companies machine shop. It may be a couple months but I'll get you some data since I plan on doing a baseline pull, then install it and see the difference it makes if any.

I was half wondering if it would be possible to cool it by machining an aluminum piece with a tube in it then spraying a little N20 through the tube. Would mainly be for track only use but think it might possibly help with cooler temps. Kind of like a little cryo break between the upper and lower intakes.


Looking forward to the data.

Like the idea of intercooling. Cooler intake air = denser air = more HP; and that's a good thing!

[captain]

your martini may be stirred or shaken its still atomization and requires none of the aforementioned catalysts.
on a side note for all you stock tune people...The 2011 tune from ford is a great upgrade from the 2003 or 2004 version (for those who still run stock tunes.) Had mine done at a dealership in about 15 minutes...total cost 18.95. The mileage went up and it drives better...but you knew all that.

[Blackened300a]

Intake spacer? I got your intake spacer right here pal. :D
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/blackened300a/MISC%20Car%20pics/BO3.jpg

Having removed the upper and lower several times (add 1 more time this weekend :mad:) ,I could only think that having the intake spacer would open up the gap between the lid and runners. It wouldn't create more air because the engine is only going to pull in so much CFM's but instead it would have more of a even intake of air through the runners with the added room for the air to move.
Like I said it bogged me down when I installed it with the PHP intake, I could only think that it had to be tune related. Once I had a dyno tune, it ran fine. I don't have any dyno numbers to back up the claims of what the intake spacer is supposed to do, I just figured for $100, less restriction of anything is a good thing. Throttlebody spacers I do not see doing anything. Once the air hits the intake, it will be sucked down whatever cylinder is firing at that moment so whatever spiral effect that's supposed to take place will mean nothing when those intake valves open. If anything I just see it as a restriction and more distance for the air to travel before it enters the cylinder.

[MOTOWN]

dayuuum!!!!!!

[RacerX]

NOW Paul, you would have to change manifold volume in your tune or it will have a big effect on tip-in with that monstrosity. Talk about diminishing returns! And you would need a new hood and you would still be NA! ;)

[CBT]

Further atomization would require interaction from one of these dynamics:

Fluid Pressure

Air Pressure

Centrifgual Force

Electrostatic Field

Ultrasonic Vibration

Don't see where an intake or TB spacer would generate any of the above. Sooooo, best bet would prolly be to go for dynamic #4 via this route:



You had me at vibration :lovies2:

[SC Cheesehead]

your martini may be stirred or shaken its still atomization and requires none of the aforementioned catalysts.
on a side note for all you stock tune people...The 2011 tune from ford is a great upgrade from the 2003 or 2004 version (for those who still run stock tunes.) Had mine done at a dealership in about 15 minutes...total cost 18.95. The mileage went up and it drives better...but you knew all that.

Stirred would definitely be a form of centrifugal force, provided that the mixture was turned with enough velocity to cause the liquid to break down into droplets. Same goes for shaking, although it you shook it hard enough for it to disperse into droplets, there wouldn't be much left to drink...;)

[cougar9150]

Intake spacer? I got your intake spacer right here pal. :D
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/blackened300a/MISC%20Car%20pics/BO3.jpg


Holy ish, how tall is that? I was thinking 3/4-1" but that thing looks insane.

[massacre]

I always thought the spacer was to slightly increase runner length for better torque production?