ls1 camaro vs 03 mm

[bigmerc281]

curious to know what are my chances of beating a ls1 camaro. im pretty much stock if you dont count the k&n intake

pls discuss

[MMarauder03]

No way, sorry

[Blackmobile]

no discussion necessary, don't forget the MM is a full size sedan, and a Camaro with a LS1 is a designed sport Car. Stock to stock that is.

[Joe Walsh]

Prepare for a nasty whuppin'.....

50 more HP and 600 less pounds = a great view of the disappearing Camaro's tailights!

[bigmerc281]

i ran em a few months ago. my nose was at the driver door. was just wondering if i actually had a chance to walk him or he just wasnt a fast enough shifter

[bigmerc281]

he is only 400 pounds lighter then me. but yeah i should'nt get my hopes to high

[Blackened300a]

I beat one, but I have more mods then a K&N.




You don't have a chance.

[bigmerc281]

Thanks for the feedback guys. This means I need to step up my game

[napolitano]

If it helps any I know of an LS1 I can beat by at least 5 car lengths. I'll waste the gas next time we get together.

[Spectragod]

I beat one with my DTR....

[LANDY]

No n/a marauder has a chance against a ls1 camaro. That's it.

[slickster]

But what if you had tune 410 pulley some exhaust work. If you can't at least keep up with that then that's sad

[Mr. Man]

curious to know what are my chances of beating a ls1 camaro. im pretty much stock if you don't count the k&n intake

pls discuss
If you meant 'beat one' like in a demolition derby I'd say you have an advantage. At the track not so much.:beer:

[SC Cheesehead]

But what if you had tune 410 pulley some exhaust work. If you can't at least keep up with that then that's sad

Tune and exhaust are gonna give you maybe 40 hp, you've still got the wiehgt factor to contend with.

[MMarauder03]

Tune and exhaust are gonna give you maybe 40 hp, you've still got the wiehgt factor to contend with.

+1,000. Our cars are morbidly obese...

[guspech750]

Meh. We might lose to a Camaro stock for stock. But at least we will look damn good loosing!!

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[MrBluGruv]

Most LS1 F-Body owners have reported stock WHP numbers in the low 300s (as in 300-310), which is a number that even the most heavily modded N/A Marauders have had trouble reaching. Factor that into your thoughts as well.

[slickster]

Most LS1 F-Body owners have reported stock WHP numbers in the low 300s (as in 300-310), which is a number that even the most heavily modded N/A Marauders have had trouble reaching. Factor that into your thoughts as well.

Well put. Also if we do get that whp where still heavy. Ahhh time for a 400hp gto j/k

[dohc324ci]

yup lucky to get 245-255rwhp with cai/tune. LS1s make good low end power and pull hard mid-top end. LT1 auto then maybe; LS1 manual or auto no.

[bigmerc281]

I kept up with him nose of my car was at passenger door im sure with 410s and a tune I'll take him. But who knows maybe I'll get lucky

[MrBluGruv]

I kept up with him nose of my car was at passenger door im sure with 410s and a tune I'll take him. But who knows maybe I'll get lucky

I'm thinking there is more to this story than simply LS1 VS Marauder. It doesn't feel right....

[bigmerc281]

That's why I was puzzled on how close I was. But no that's is it ls1 vs mm I'll make sure to record it next time hopefully I won't be so stock

[MrBluGruv]

Roll? Dig? What speeds? M6 LS1?

This could paint a MUCH better picture.

[MMarauder03]

I'm thinking there is more to this story than simply LS1 VS Marauder. It doesn't feel right....

I do remember, right after I put my JLT on I went to the track. Raced an ls1 camaro. I got out of the hole faster and he was at my door the entire way. I ran 14.3 @ 97 and he ran 14.5 and I was asking him what he usually runs. He said the best he had was a 14.0 but usually runs 14.5ish. Moral of the story, he was a bad driver, go race him ;)

[slickster]

Not sure but 98 or 99 to 96 f body was 305hp and newer was 345 hp. So with a 305 hp and bad driver I could see head to head but no better

[dohc324ci]

LS1s came out in 98-2002 in the F-Body.

[MOTOWN]

This is a funny thread! a 4400 pound car with very little horse power is far from a fast car! as much as i love my mm, i love it for what it is a great cruiser! mod it all you like, its still 4400lbs!
and just because you get a camaro by a car , you didnt win, you got sandbaged!, until money comes into play!
did that a million and one times racing mustangs in my grandnational!

[MrBluGruv]

Not sure but 98 or 99 to 96 f body was 305hp and newer was 345 hp. So with a 305 hp and bad driver I could see head to head but no better

Stock LS1s starting in '98 were rated around 305HP, and in 2001 they were bumped to 315 and 325 for the SS package (I believe they said that came from the ram-air scoop). The 345HP option was an SLP factory option (I know this as my '02 has this option and a build sheet from SLP to back it up). In reality, pretty much every '01-'02 LS1 F-Body made the same power from the factory, the Z28 and SS distinctions meant almost nothing but appearance differences as they were all putting down pretty much the same power and ET numbers. The real difference in power came from the switch in '01 as they reworked some of the emissions garbage, but even then we aren't talking about a terrible lot of difference, at least not that I've seen.

Before '98 all 4th-gen F-Bodies had an LT1 engine, which was rated at a fair bit less power, but still posted ETs faster than even most moderately modded Marauders.

I'm not at all saying it didn't happen, but I'm thinking that this is not as simple as running across an LS1 F-Body, racing him and only losing by half a car. And yes, an LS1-powered F-Body turning a 14.5 is ridiculous. I've heard first-time drivers posting better times than that. Those numbers are right on par with an LT1 F-Body though.

Also, while this doesn't translate to much in the street (winning is winning yada yada), keep in mind that if you got the jump on him first, he actually pulled you by like a car length as he made up that distance difference AND THEN pulled ahead still. And if this was to like 60-70mph, he actually yanked you pretty good, cause you aren't even close to 1/4 distance from a dig at that point and if it was a roll then you barely ran at all.

Like I said, too many things out in the open to gauge this well still...


Also, if you are talking strictly roll-racing here, that's a bad reason to switch out a 4.10 rear gear. The only sizable difference is gonna be from a dig, for whatever reason from a roll a 3.55 Marauder is going to be pretty comparable to nearly identical to a 4.10 Marauder. If you really want to make this beast go fast, do what every other smart Ford Modular engine owner does and boost it.


At this point though, your best bet is to hope that that SS has the same problems with traction that mine does if you want to beat him. :P

[Da Dark Jedi]

This is a funny thread! a 4400 pound car with very little horse power is far from a fast car! as much as i love my mm, i love it for what it is a great cruiser! mod it all you like, its still 4400lbs!
and just because you get a camaro by a car , you didnt win, you got sandbaged!, until money comes into play!
did that a million and one times racing mustangs in my grandnational!

You're one of the guys that came to Chicago back in the mid 80's and went home with BIG MONEY running the Stangs here. But I totally agree with you on this matter. Some people don't know when they're getting the shaft, "I lost but I was close". Is there going to be money involved next time????

[RacerX]

That's why I was puzzled on how close I was. But no that's is it ls1 vs mm I'll make sure to record it next time hopefully I won't be so stock
Did you at least get the chicks name and find out how long she's had her learners permit? :dunno:

[Joe Walsh]

No n/a marauder has a chance against a ls1 camaro. That's it.

Uhhmmm.....You sure about that?!.......:D

[SC Cheesehead]

Uhhmmm.....You sure about that?!.......:D

Methinks you make a good point, Joe... ;)

[Blackened300a]

No n/a marauder has a chance against a ls1 camaro. That's it.

I took out one at our private track meet a few years back and one at MV-5 on my way to the mall. ;)
In some magazines I've seen anywhere from 13.8-14.0 in the 1/4. A stock Marauder wont hang, but factor in some mods along with gears and a convertor and the Camaro owner will be in for a big shocker.

[LANDY]

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Uhhmmm.....You sure about that?!.......:D your car is a different story Joe your n/a king. LOL

[LANDY]

I took out one at our private track meet a few years back and one at MV-5 on my way to the mall. ;)
In some magazines I've seen anywhere from 13.8-14.0 in the 1/4. A stock Marauder wont hang, but factor in some mods along with gears and a convertor and the Camaro owner will be in for a big shocker. Im thinking he was a bad driver, my buddy's 99 ls1 M6 stock does low 13's trapping over 100mph all night long at 80* weather on street tires but he can drive that thing good and powershifts every gear.

[Fosters]

The n/a 4.6 has no problems taking down LS1 camaros and LS2 GTOs... all while only making 312 rwhp. I even got banned from the GTO forums for posting a timeslip of me vs one of the moderators...

Unfortunately, this was in the mach1, which weighs ~1300 lbs less than the marauder, has 4.30 gears and 26" sticky tires.

And bad drivers are everywhere... I've seen C6 z06s run mid-high 12s and early viper owners running high 13s...

[smokin03]

I have a 00' Camaro 6 spd convert. and an 03 mm, stock you need more power, if the ls1 has just a gear like 3:73 you'll need a lot more. With headers tune an S60 3:73 read end and some other little goodies, I'm hanging with new vettes and I have 137k on the orig motor!

[JBeezy]

I've seen stock LS1 Camaros come out and run low 13's all day on street tires at the track


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[Motorhead350]

Holy old thread.

Yes you can beat an LS1 with an N/A Marauder. It's not the car, it's the driver. You can beat the odds if you have the skills. Plus it helps to stay off of the track were the ground is well prepped and most cars are well funded.

Oh sorry, should not have said that.

If I could beat an SRT8 Charger with a stock Chevy HHR, like I did out west on 405, someone can beat an LS1 with a N/A Marauder. Again, drivers race.

[smokin03]

Wow, didn't notice the date!

[babbage]

Holy old thread.

Yes you can beat an LS1 with an N/A Marauder. It's not the car, it's the driver. You can beat the odds if you have the skills. Plus it helps to stay off of the track were the ground is well prepped and most cars are well funded.

Oh sorry, should not have said that.

If I could beat an SRT8 Charger with a stock Chevy HHR, like I did out west on 405, someone can beat an LS1 with a N/A Marauder. Again, drivers race.

All times are stock Camaro test numbers from Car and Driver:

2010 SS - 13.1@109
1968 Z28 - 13.77@107.39
1999 Z28 - 13.8@104
2010 LT/V6 - 14.5@99
1983 Z28 - 15@93
1999 RS/V6 - 16.1@87
1985 Berlinetta - 17@81

I'm N/A and as quick as a 1999... Never realized the Berlinetta was such a dog..

[Motorhead350]

All times are stock Camaro test numbers from Car and Driver:

2010 SS - 13.1@109
1968 Z28 - 13.77@107.39
1999 Z28 - 13.8@104
2010 LT/V6 - 14.5@99
1983 Z28 - 15@93
1999 RS/V6 - 16.1@87
1985 Berlinetta - 17@81

I'm N/A and as quick as a 1999... Never realized the Berlinetta was such a dog..

Again, drivers race....

[Bulldog5.0]

All times are stock Camaro test numbers from Car and Driver:

2010 SS - 13.1@109
1968 Z28 - 13.77@107.39
1999 Z28 - 13.8@104
2010 LT/V6 - 14.5@99
1983 Z28 - 15@93
1999 RS/V6 - 16.1@87
1985 Berlinetta - 17@81

I'm N/A and as quick as a 1999... Never realized the Berlinetta was such a dog..

Wow...I'm close to the 2010 SS N/A w/ my 2V....Thought they were quicker

[Blk04MM]

I took down a LS1 camaro (6spd) and 6.0 GTO(auto) with video to prove and I'm NA