Trilogy Supercharger Kits Come To An End

[SC Cheesehead]

Posted up over on MCM:

http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12422

Another 15 will be built, then that's it, folks.

Anybody interested in purchasing THE best out of the box power adder made for our cars better jump on one of 'em quick.

[guspech750]

Tisk. Tisk. For the price of a kit. I'm not surprised.

But a cool kit non the less.

Eaton swap FTW!!


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[SC Cheesehead]

Tisk. Tisk. For the price of a kit. I'm not surprised.

But a cool kit non the less.

Eaton swap FTW!!


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Retail on a new M112 is $3,000, add in the cost for a new lower intake manifold and intercooler, plus the peripheral stuff, and I'd estimate he wasn't much over break-even. $7,000 is lotsa dough, no doubt about that, but I don't think Jerry was getting rich off his kits. (prolly losing money if you consider all the R&D time he and his company put into the project).

The advantage of going with an Eaton swap is the availability of used parts for substantially less money, and that's exactly what appealed to me about going that route. All the same, a Trilogy kit is one fine looking piece of hardware, IMO.

[MrBluGruv]

With Trilogy off the table, I'm pretty sure IF I'm ever able to get an MM again and IF I boost it, I'll be going Vortech...

[guspech750]

Oh god. I don't think he was getting rich off the kit by any means. Honestly though. I think they could have done a Right Side Inlet and just used existing blower options. Make wire harnesses etc etc. Probably could have been a cheaper priced kit, possibly make a little more profit per kit and options are good too.

Really the only thing special are the brackets. He should have also sold bracket kits too.

Oh well. Such is life.


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[DOOM]

Oh god. I don't think he was getting rich off the kit by any means. Honestly though. I think they could have done a Right Side Inlet and just used existing blower options.

Why would they do a passenger side intake when the FACTORY intake is on the drivers side??? :confused:

And all aftermarket MARAUDER INTAKES (K&N, jlt, and php) are on the drivers side?

Wouldn't make sense!

Keep in mind there was no eaton swap option 5-6 years ago!

[Motorhead350]

Why would they do a passenger side intake when the FACTORY intake is on the drivers side??? :confused:

And all aftermarket MARAUDER INTAKES (K&N, jlt, and php) are on the drivers side?

Wouldn't make sense!

Keep in mind there was no eaton swap option 5-6 years ago!

The reasoning for the different side intake is to set Lincoln/Mercury apart from Ford. That's the actual reason. Or so I was told from a dealer.

[BODYMAN]

Why would they do a passenger side intake when the FACTORY intake is on the drivers side??? :confused:

And all aftermarket MARAUDER INTAKES (K&N, jlt, and php) are on the drivers side?

Wouldn't make sense!

Keep in mind there was no eaton swap option 5-6 years ago!

Correcto! Nothing from the roots side of the table for years but Trilogy so a huge thanks for what they had done for our cars!! Rex is also correct buy all new stuff for youre car for a Eaton swap that stuff really adds up. Are cars are no longer new you just dont see people droping 7-8k on a blower anymore, and with the Eaton swap option for say 3k that was it.. However you sell a new kit you got warranty it , cant do that with used parts.

[Motorhead350]

Maybe so, but I never heard of anyone ever having a problem with a Trilogy. I would try the 4K risk and do Eaton if I had to do it all over again. Then again when I finally got the right claps the Procharger hasn't had a single problem after that, EVER.

[DOOM]

The reasoning for the different side intake is to set Lincoln/Mercury apart from Ford. That's the actual reason. Or so I was told from a dealer.

Were talking about a MARAUDER SPECIFIC setup here dom.

By the way which side is your intake on with your Vortech setup? :D

Not going to get into a pissing match here with anyone. That's what tore this site apart in the first place and why we now have 2 sites!

Power is power! Pick your poison! :up:

I was just simply responding to joe's question about intakes.

[SC Cheesehead]

Maybe so, but I never heard of anyone ever having a problem with a Trilogy. I would try the 4K risk and do Eaton if I had to do it all over again. Then again when I finally got the right claps the Procharger hasn't had a single problem after that, EVER.

^^^^^ Very true, that. One of the reasons I believe the Trilogy set up was superior to anything else on the market. Excellent QC and after sale support. Pricy, no doubt, but very high quality.

The Eaton swap can be very reliable as well, but as was stated elsewhere, you're buying and installing used parts, so there can be issues that arise. I had problems with the first M112 I purchased, got those resolved and now the swap runs like the proverbial Swiss Watch.

[88LTDCV351]

I would have gone Trilogy from what I've read here for years but I needed something 50 state legal. Recently went with Dennis' Vortech kit and some parts have already arrived at my door. Thanks Dennis.

[Motorhead350]

Were talking about a MARAUDER SPECIFIC setup here dom.

By the way which side is your intake on with your Vortech setup? :D

Not going to get into a pissing match here with anyone. That's what tore this site apart in the first place and why we now have 2 sites!

Power is power! Pick your poison! :up:

I was just simply responding to joe's question about intakes.

I'm talking about Marauders too buddy. For whatever reason Ford wanted Mercury and Lincoln air intakes on the driver side. I guess it was to make more money off people being that they couldn't swap those parts with "Fords".

I have a Procharger, not a Vortech silly. The air intake is on the driver side just like yours.


^^^^^ Very true, that. One of the reasons I believe the Trilogy set up was superior to anything else on the market. Excellent QC and after sale support. Pricy, no doubt, but very high quality.

The Eaton swap can be very reliable as well, but as was stated elsewhere, you're buying and installing used parts, so there can be issues that arise. I had problems with the first M112 I purchased, got those resolved and now the swap runs like the proverbial Swiss Watch.

Even if they are used parts they are still for the most part solid metal pieces, to my knowledge. So I wouldn't worry about buying anything used when it's a solid thing. As far as what you needed to make it all work, I would be a bit hesitant. Probably buy all the solid stuff used and the little stuff new, if I did it my way. Sounds like all used stuff is working though! :burnout:

[2,4shofast]

That really sucks, I dont know if I can get the funds together to get one of the kits in time but I really hope I can! Sad news:argue:

[DOOM]

Hey Dom FORD Crown Victoria intakes are on the DRIVERS SIDE :D

[SC Cheesehead]

Hey Dom FORD Crown Victoria intakes are on the DRIVERS SIDE :D


Soooooooooooo, that means they must have been built by Mercury....

[duhtroll]

This is sad to hear.

Of course that means the price of Trilogy Marauders prolly just went up due to rarity.

You know, like if anyone were going to sell a Marauder with Trilogy kit 201 on it or something. Like if the S/C kit only had a few thousand miles on it, or the car were in really good shape otherwise.

Just sayin'.

:whistle::whistle::whistle:

[DOOM]

Soooooooooooo, that means they must have been built by Mercury....

According to Dom YESS!!! :lol:

[Cobra25]

A Last run of Twin Screw's too would be nice !

[loud2004marquis]

Guess i'm looking at a Vortech...

[guspech750]

Just one less option for people. That part does stink. Like Jake said. Power is power!! Pick your poison and pick quick if you want the T kit.


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[O's Fan Rich]

And too, many forget that if the Trilogy manual with it's very specific parts list and instructions had not been used as a guide, the "Eaton Swap" would have been harder to develop.

Anyone else recall the attempts made by other "businessman" who use to be on this site to copy Jerry and make it "cheaper"??? LOL.

I was happy to pay the price for a Trilogy... I got a hell of a lot more out of that purchase than a fast car. I made solid friendships that continue on today.

[Motorhead350]

According to Dom YESS!!! :lol:

Naa that was according to the dealership, but yes I forgot about that.


And too, many forget that if the Trilogy manual with it's very specific parts list and instructions had not been used as a guide, the "Eaton Swap" would have been harder to develop.

Anyone else recall the attempts made by other "businessman" who use to be on this site to copy Jerry and make it "cheaper"??? LOL.

I was happy to pay the price for a Trilogy... I got a hell of a lot more out of that purchase than a fast car. I made solid friendships that continue on today.

Businessmen? Nope. An actual gearhead found a way to make the same amount of power for half the cost and made it work. I wouldn't call it copied when there was so much else that was different. Plus someone found a way to stop the cash flow to Jerry. It was a kick in the wallet for businessmen and a bright day for true Hot Rodders. After all, Hot Rods are built, not bought.

[Spectragod]

Businessmen? Nope. An actual gearhead found a way to make the same amount of power for half the cost and made it work. I wouldn't call it copied when there was so much else that was different. Plus someone found a way to stop the cash flow to Jerry. It was a kick in the wallet for businessmen and a bright day for true Hot Rodders. After all, Hot Rods are built, not bought.

The bottom line, Jerry figured it out, others copied to line their own wallets.

Yep, stop the cash flow to Jerry, there's a great plan. I built my hot rod, but you gotta BUY the parts. So you are saying that "true hot rodders" are thieves? Because they take income from businessmen and build their own rides with the spoils of their endeavors?

Glad I bought my Twin Screw, and glad Lidio did his magic on my motor, as well as Darrin @ BC doing my trans, and Todd @ TCE for his brake kit, bought it all, and while mine may not be a "true hot rod", on your best day, all you will see is my tail lights.

[hotford]

Glad I bought my Twin Screw, and glad Lidio did his magic on my motor, as well as Darrin @ BC doing my trans, and Todd @ TCE for his brake kit, bought it all, and while mine may not be a "true hot rod", on your best day, all you will see is my tail lights.[/QUOTE]

LMAO.^^^^^
They are all hotrods when we start to modify them,trliogy,twin screws,vortech,procharger..... ...etc......
Its the owners choice and direction in which he takes

I.m glad i went the trilogy way.......

[Spectragod]

Glad I bought my Twin Screw, and glad Lidio did his magic on my motor, as well as Darrin @ BC doing my trans, and Todd @ TCE for his brake kit, bought it all, and while mine may not be a "true hot rod", on your best day, all you will see is my tail lights.

LMAO.^^^^^
They are all hotrods when we start to modify them,trliogy,twin screws,vortech,procharger..... ...etc......
Its the owners choice and direction in which he takes

I.m glad i went the trilogy way.......[/QUOTE]

Not according to Dom, "real hot rodders" apparently don't pay for making their cars fast.:rolleyes:

[GAMike]

The bottom line, Jerry figured it out, others copied to line their own wallets.

Yep, stop the cash flow to Jerry, there's a great plan. I built my hot rod, but you gotta BUY the parts. So you are saying that "true hot rodders" are thieves? Because they take income from businessmen and build their own rides with the spoils of their endeavors?

Glad I bought my Twin Screw, and glad Lidio did his magic on my motor, as well as Darrin @ BC doing my trans, and Todd @ TCE for his brake kit, bought it all, and while mine may not be a "true hot rod", on your best day, all you will see is my tail lights.

Well Said Spectragod. The bottom line is Jerry Barnes is the ultimate hot rodder by any measure......... The Original innovator. Not the imitator.....
And he is a hell of nice person as well.

When you read something from him, its like speaking with him. Unlike a specific someone with much lesser pedegree......

One last thing. Jerry never claimed he had the cheapest supercharging solution on the market. He never intended to build the cheapest from the get go. Jerry developed this kit as extension of his ideals. A first class kit from a first class guy (in every sense of those words).

Thank you Jerry :beer:

[DEFYANT]

And too, many forget that if the Trilogy manual with it's very specific parts list and instructions had not been used as a guide, the "Eaton Swap" would have been harder to develop.

Anyone else recall the attempts made by other "businessman" who use to be on this site to copy Jerry and make it "cheaper"??? LOL.

I was happy to pay the price for a Trilogy... I got a hell of a lot more out of that purchase than a fast car. I made solid friendships that continue on today.

Exactly.

Very happy to be a Trilogy customer. Gotta love the copy cat approach. Hell, if I didnt have kit 67, I'd probably go that route also.

Defyant Marauder 1 of 250 :cool:

[DOOM]

Very happy to be a Trilogy customer. Defyant Marauder 1 of 250 :cool:

Yeah baby!!!!

TRILOGY #173 in da house! :banana2:

Kickin ass & takin names! :shot:

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[TAKEDOWN]

I picked my Poison and I'm lovin' it.... Trilogy Kit #209 / TS #0019! I consider myself pretty lucky.

[sailsmen]

Per Jerry Barnes - "I turned 60 last month and I want to focus on the parts of my business that actually turn a profit."

This is one of the reasons why it is important for business to make a profit so they can continue to sell us what we want to buy.;)

[Motorhead350]

No guys. Hot rodders aren't theives, but if someone finds out a cheaper way around things that's called a tip or tick. You will find them in magizines and if you play your cards right, you will get this info from other people. Plus the Eaton parts date back before the kits all of Jerrys kids have, so that wouldn't make him the innovator. Espeically if 80 percent of the parts were already from Ford. So.... yeah nothing brought to the table really, except laid out in a nice way to make it work for our cars. The kit wasn't from scratch. If it was I would agree on the innovator, but because it wasn't going to have to disagree.

As far as Eaton. It was a way to keep the hobby alive during a tough financial time for most people. So I say the man who made it work for our cars was a hero for keeping hot rodding going and saving people thousands. Taking away profit from another business? Maybe so, but that's called life. There was no official kit ot anything. Starting a company name and making it a kit would be another. After all procharger, paxton and vortech were along from the early days. I don't hear anyone saying they took from Trilogy.

Not saying its a bad product at all, its just most Trilogy owners stroke the Trilogy ego way too much... but not all.

Uh oh. Supercharger discussion!

Just enjoy your power, who cares who provides it? Just don't rub in peoples faces that anyone with a blower other than Trilogy doesn't live by your standards.... sometimes we pass them. HELLO!

:lol:

[Motorhead350]

all you will see is my tail lights.

Ahhh yes I do recall you pull your car in the garage face first.

All you will see are my dirty tail pipes from actual usage. :burnout:

[GAMike]

No guys. Hot rodders aren't theives, but if someone finds out a cheaper way around things that's called a tip or tick. You will find them in magizines and if you play your cards right, you will get this info from other people. Plus the Eaton parts date back before the kits all of Jerrys kids have, so that wouldn't make him the innovator. Espeically if 80 percent of the parts were already from Ford. So.... yeah nothing brought to the table really, except laid out in a nice way to make it work for our cars. The kit wasn't from scratch. If it was I would agree on the innovator, but because it wasn't going to have to disagree.

As far as Eaton. It was a way to keep the hobby alive during a tough financial time for most people. So I say the man who made it work for our cars was a hero for keeping hot rodding going and saving people thousands. Taking away profit from another business? Maybe so, but that's called life. There was no official kit ot anything. Starting a company name and making it a kit would be another. After all procharger, paxton and vortech were along from the early days. I don't hear anyone saying they took from Trilogy.

Not saying its a bad product at all, its just most Trilogy owners stroke the Trilogy ego way too much... but not all.

Uh oh. Supercharger discussion!

Just enjoy your power, who cares who provides it? Just don't rub in peoples faces that anyone with a blower other than Trilogy doesn't live by your standards.... sometimes we pass them. HELLO!

:lol:


Dom you are so good at mixing truth with fiction...... Trilogy spent alot more time than you know testing & developing what they brought to the market than anyone supplying a roots system for Marauders ever.

The debate is not where the parts come from. Where you are missing the point is in the due diligence process that it takes to commercialize a high quality solution to a problem centri blowers do not solve............ Getting our fat azzes outta da hole.....

Trilogy developed their kit for install on a stock Marauder, and instantly changed the car. The kit came with a tune, that at the time (again on a stock car) made it immediatly drivable without having to go to a tuner, and all the back n forth.

This has been beat to death for years. I personally love the differences in our cars. My bud Cwright has a Centri to die for, and I love that you drive your car hard and often (Me too:D).

What I don't like is pot shots over the head of a guy who set the standard for conduct, accessability, and thoroughness in bringing a finished product to market(that is so clean most think its OEM) then standing behind it.

Like Defyant was saying, the Eaton Swap became a viable option how many years after Trilogy's investment/commercialization of their package?

Your rebel attitude is sometimes refreshing Dom. On this topic, you really should just let it go. Knowing when to say when, does not just apply to alcohol........

Have a good day:beer::burnout:

[justbob]

Just brackets? LOL
How about the Magnuson blower, adaptor plate, elbow, inlet, hood clearance issues, Fords backing, ETC..

I was never much into the world wide web, that's for sure. Never heard of online car forums such as this, always figured they were just tech help and so on. But I do recall checking out Trilogys website almost WEEKLY! It was the ONLY website that would pop up when you googled supercharged Marauder! Me being computer illiterate up to finding this place called MM.net in 06 ish, then figuring out what it truly was by 08 and finding my new family, Trilogy and Ebay were all I knew or could find for this car... So for me, it was a longggg term goal (one I knew I could never afford) that kept me going.
When my kit came up for sale used I JUMPED at the opportunity to become owner #118! Even though bought used Jerry welcomed me like I bought it new, and has been there whenever I needed something (IAT2 upgrade and REFUSED cash!) or even just to here kill stories I would call to share with him.

So for me, it was a decision based off years of a goal, a goal that has yet to let me down, even though I have already added a lot more to it.

Thank you Jerry, and thank you Chris for selling it to me.


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[SC Cheesehead]

...Trilogy developed their kit for install on a stock Marauder, and instantly changed the car. The kit came with a tune, that at the time (again on a stock car) made it immediatly drivable without having to go to a tuner, and all the back n forth...set the standard for conduct, accessability, and thoroughness in bringing a finished product to market(that is so clean most think its OEM) then standing behind it...

^^^^ Spot on, Mike. Trilogy's FEED and after sale service definitely set the gold standard. As I said in an earlier post, IMO, Trilogy is THE best kit commercially available for our cars; virtually plug n' play.

That said, I hear where Dom is coming from on the efforts of others, and I must admit, I've been subject to the arrogance demonstrated by some (not all, by ANY means) Trilogy owners toward other S/C'd Marauders equipped with alternative set-ups.

No doubt Jerry set the standard and lead the way; for that, we ALL need to be forever grateful. And to your point of the "them vs. us" attitude being beat to death, here's a big AMEN! I wish, in the words of Rodney King, that we could "all just get along?" ;)

[MMBLUE]

No guys. Hot rodders aren't theives, but if someone finds out a cheaper way around things that's called a tip or tick. You will find them in magizines and if you play your cards right, you will get this info from other people. Plus the Eaton parts date back before the kits all of Jerrys kids have, so that wouldn't make him the innovator. Espeically if 80 percent of the parts were already from Ford. So.... yeah nothing brought to the table really, except laid out in a nice way to make it work for our cars. The kit wasn't from scratch. If it was I would agree on the innovator, but because it wasn't going to have to disagree.

As far as Eaton. It was a way to keep the hobby alive during a tough financial time for most people. So I say the man who made it work for our cars was a hero for keeping hot rodding going and saving people thousands. Taking away profit from another business? Maybe so, but that's called life. There was no official kit ot anything. Starting a company name and making it a kit would be another. After all procharger, paxton and vortech were along from the early days. I don't hear anyone saying they took from Trilogy.

Not saying its a bad product at all, its just most Trilogy owners stroke the Trilogy ego way too much... but not all.

Uh oh. Supercharger discussion!

Just enjoy your power, who cares who provides it? Just don't rub in peoples faces that anyone with a blower other than Trilogy doesn't live by your standards.... sometimes we pass them. HELLO!

:lol:


+1 I'm with you Dom. Start the bashing but in "MY" opinion, simply to much money.

[Siege]

Why does there need to be bashing? For a community so small there really is an excessive amount of drama.

I have decided to go with the Trilogy for many reasons. I like the OEM reliability, all new parts and the fact it comes with warranty support and an OEM quality tune that you can load and go. My car is a daily driver so reliability and a minimal amount of downtime is important to me.

I seriously considered the Cobra Eaton swap as well. I like the fact it uses OEM parts and that the needed parts could be gathered piecemeal over time as funds were available. The swap process is fairly well documented at this point as well making it a relatively easy undertaking.

Ultimately, I think the usage of the car plays a big role in what makes the most sense for each person. If my car was a toy driven infrequently then I'd likely have gone with the Cobra Eaton swap. It wouldn't matter if the car was down for a while as I worked out issues and the quality of the tune wouldn't be as important since the car wouldn't be driven in all conditions.

As a new owner I don't get the adversarial tone in many of these posts. Pick what you want and what you can afford. Insulting people who chose differently is asinine and detrimental to the community as a whole.

[SC Cheesehead]

Why does there need to be bashing? For a community so small there really is an excessive amount of drama.

I have decided to go with the Trilogy for many reasons. I like the OEM reliability, all new parts and the fact it comes with warranty support and an OEM quality tune that you can load and go. My car is a daily driver so reliability and a minimal amount of downtime is important to me.

I seriously considered the Cobra Eaton swap as well. I like the fact it uses OEM parts and that the needed parts could be gathered piecemeal over time as funds were available. The swap process is fairly well documented at this point as well making it a relatively easy undertaking.

Ultimately, I think the usage of the car plays a big role in what makes the most sense for each person. If my car was a toy driven infrequently then I'd likely have gone with the Cobra Eaton swap. It wouldn't matter if the car was down for a while as I worked out issues and the quality of the tune wouldn't be as important since the car wouldn't be driven in all conditions.

As a new owner I don't get the adversarial tone in many of these posts. Pick what you want and what you can afford. Insulting people who chose differently is asinine and detrimental to the community as a whole.

Your perspective isn't limited to being a newbie, a bunch of us who've been around here for a while feel the same way... ;)

[MrBluGruv]

Your perspective isn't limited to being a newbie, a bunch of us who've been around here for a while feel the same way... ;)

Add to that some of the uglier moments that he's probably missed entirely as a newbie. There are entire SAGAS around certain past members here...

[guspech750]

Just brackets? LOL
How about the Magnuson blower, adaptor plate, elbow, inlet, hood clearance issues, Fords backing, ETC..



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Honestly. The brackets are the only thing that's special about the kit along with any wire harnesses. Without the brackets. Eveyone but the centri guys would most likely change the front engine cover. The Eaton, Whipple 2.3 both clear the hood.

When we did my swap. Everything about the swap fit as if it was designed for both the Cobra and Marauder. We were a little amazed at how well everything fit and how much easier it was than we anticipated.

It's definatley a way cool kit. Looks and performs awesome. I just wish it was more affordable. Otherwise I would have bought a kit.



For the cost of a new T kit. I was able to Eaton swap, front Wilwoods, SS brake lines Addco front and rear swaybars, Moog endlinks, rear spoiler, gauges and pod, and upgraded the rear brakes.



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[Siege]

Add to that some of the uglier moments that he's probably missed entirely as a newbie. There are entire SAGAS around certain past members here...

I have an e-mail from 3/13/2009 that I think sums up one of the sagas. Good lord.

/threadderailment

[Motorhead350]

[QUOTE=SC Cheesehead;1088378Trilogy is THE best kit commercially available for our cars; virtually plug n' play[/QUOTE]

Ummm my Procharger was plug n' play. Came with a tune too. I don't see why Trilogy is the "best". It's all subjective anyway.

[sailsmen]

Why does there need to be bashing? For a community so small there really is an excessive amount of drama.

I have decided to go with the Trilogy for many reasons. I like the OEM reliability, all new parts and the fact it comes with warranty support and an OEM quality tune that you can load and go. My car is a daily driver so reliability and a minimal amount of downtime is important to me.

I seriously considered the Cobra Eaton swap as well. I like the fact it uses OEM parts and that the needed parts could be gathered piecemeal over time as funds were available. The swap process is fairly well documented at this point as well making it a relatively easy undertaking.

Ultimately, I think the usage of the car plays a big role in what makes the most sense for each person. If my car was a toy driven infrequently then I'd likely have gone with the Cobra Eaton swap. It wouldn't matter if the car was down for a while as I worked out issues and the quality of the tune wouldn't be as important since the car wouldn't be driven in all conditions.

As a new owner I don't get the adversarial tone in many of these posts. Pick what you want and what you can afford. Insulting people who chose differently is asinine and detrimental to the community as a whole.
History -

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32475

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33774

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32677&highlight=intake+air+temp

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31985&highlight=intake+air+temp

[Dragcity]

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[Motorhead350]

History -

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32475

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33774

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32677&highlight=intake+air+temp

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31985&highlight=intake+air+temp

Why are you causing drama and making Jerry seem like an a-hole?


Hey! Dom! No one is bashing you or picking on your stuff. So just stop now. K?

My God, your God too.... Everyone does what they want and what they can. Can't we just appreciate whatever ANYONE does to benefit others andtheir goals? Jerry, ZACK, Travis.

Now look at how many have been alienated.

Kinda a waste, don't you think.?

Appreciate what all have done. Take what you want. Leave what you don't.

Joe, that is my attitude. Maybe you misunderstood me.

[Cougar_Marauder]

Posted up over on MCM:

http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12422

Another 15 will be built, then that's it, folks.


Back to the matter at hand, I think I am going to jump on one of these! :burnout: Woooohoooo

[1 Bad Merc]

I think you should buy one if you can afford it! I love my Trilogy and I am very glad I purchased it. The warranty is second to none and I have not had any problems with it. Not knocking any other supercharger but for me this was the best option.

[justbob]

Joe, my comment was meant to list the parts that were built to T's specs and are not obtainable is all. I.E. non eaton swap parts. At least your blower can be swapped out for anything cobra related, where as I have to buy new brackets. Power is power in my book. That's why I suggested you get the eaton and extras. Are these now rare parts a good thing? No. We have now seen the end of sales, what happens when we see the end of help to replace formentioned parts?

No stabs here poncho.

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[Shermanator]

The best thing I ever did with a car was buying a Trilogy from Jerry. You guys have no idea how much fun and enjoyment I have had with my cars since. Or maybe you do. Thanks Jerry. And that little eaton that could did. That little blower pushed a 4200 lb car to 10.1s at 135. Again, thanks Jerry.

[Dragcity]

.............

[DEFYANT]

The best thing I ever did with a car was buying a Trilogy from Jerry. You guys have no idea how much fun and enjoyment I have had with my cars since. Or maybe you do. Thanks Jerry. And that little eaton that could did. That little blower pushed a 4200 lb car to 10.1s at 135. Again, thanks Jerry.

This is one of the reasons why Trilogy is the best option. The fastest, most reliable Marauders are Trilogy equipt.

Read it and weep haters, it's true.

[Motorhead350]

This is one of the reasons why Trilogy is the best option. The fastest, most reliable Marauders are Trilogy equipt.

Read it and weep haters, it's true.

No it's not Charlie. That's just your opinion.

The most reliable Marauders are stock, fact. HA!

[Spectragod]

No it's not Charlie. That's just your opinion.

The most reliable Marauders are stock, fact. HA!

Your high............again.

I back my car in the garage, see you don't know half what you think you know.

Put a new motor in your car, you can still watch my tail lights.....:D

Or.... you can come see them in my garage, and watch a movie while your there.:P

[Motorhead350]

Your high............again.

I back my car in the garage, see you don't know half what you think you know.

Put a new motor in your car, you can still watch my tail lights.....:D

Or.... you can come see them in my garage, and watch a movie while your there.:P

I am not high, but I am on crack because I am sitting down.

So how am I going to see your tail lights if you back your car in the garage? I guess you will have the movie screen facing the garage door. I'll be around oct 1st, I'll bring Gumball Rally, Vanishing Point, 2 Lane Black Top and Death Proof. Your choice. ;)

I know mine isn't the fastest, never said it was. One thing for sure though, it's driven. :burnout: 186K and growing 12 second beater.

Your car is pretty much too nice to be driven all the time, but if it was mine it would have stone chips in no time.

[guspech750]

Joe, my comment was meant to list the parts that were built to T's specs and are not obtainable is all. I.E. non eaton swap parts. At least your blower can be swapped out for anything cobra related, where as I have to buy new brackets. Power is power in my book. That's why I suggested you get the eaton and extras. Are these now rare parts a good thing? No. We have now seen the end of sales, what happens when we see the end of help to replace formentioned parts?

No stabs here poncho.

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We need to settle this like MEN!!

Saturday!! Village Tavern!! Beers and thumb wrestling!! :D



Not all is lost though. There is that new blower in the other thread.

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[71cyclone]

I have a Question? Has any engine shop of good Ford Credibility attempted to install a new generation / 5.0 Coyote powerplant in a marauder ?. The old saying goes, One door shuts and another opens.

[GAMike]

^^^^ Spot on, Mike. Trilogy's FEED and after sale service definitely set the gold standard. As I said in an earlier post, IMO, Trilogy is THE best kit commercially available for our cars; virtually plug n' play.

That said, I hear where Dom is coming from on the efforts of others, and I must admit, I've been subject to the arrogance demonstrated by some (not all, by ANY means) Trilogy owners toward other S/C'd Marauders equipped with alternative set-ups.

No doubt Jerry set the standard and lead the way; for that, we ALL need to be forever grateful. And to your point of the "them vs. us" attitude being beat to death, here's a big AMEN! I wish, in the words of Rodney King, that we could "all just get along?" ;)

You know and I know Rex, that there will always be folks in groups who think they "breath different air"......... Jerry Barnes is not one of those folks.

He is generous with his time, energy and resources, takes his reputation seriously, and in the mutual friend department has many that I personally hold in high regard......

That may not count for much to ppl. that don't know me or him (it may count for less to those who do!:P). All I know, is that Jerry understands "communication" (as in how to do it right.... on the internet over the phone or in person) along with all his other skills/traits. Where some other folks in this thing of ours, pop off irresponsibly, without basis, or just don't take the time and care to consider respectful options like the Jerry Barnes's of the world, when interacting with others.

I would never call Zack a dummy. I will say he has much to learn about using keyboards and phones to communicate. He had many opportunities from what I understand, and he did not value them enough to change. Ergo, he is somewhere else. Some learn how to communicate late in life. Some, not at all. His situation should be a wake up call to those who feel a keyboard gives license to trample and railroad others or their reputations.

Hell i'm not perfect by a long shot, but I always try to be respectful when sharing my opinions, and I will always defend my freinds and people and respect.

Also, Jerry would be one of the first to encourage folks to pursue their vision of their Marauder. No matter weather it be Stock, Eaton, or Centri. Jerry has never made a dime off our friendship from me as I purchased the Banshee with #73 already installed (Thanks Slim!), but you would never know it. I met Jerry when I had my other Marauder that was N/A yes we talked about the possibility of supercharging, but he never tried to influence a decision or sell, all he wanted for me, was whatever it was that I wanted. Thats a friend.......:beer:

Sorry for the long wind here, but I feel it important to distinguish these things. I make my living selling. Maybe thats why I value relationships more than just about anything I own. Including my Marauder:burnout:

[Motorhead350]

Zack did not change.

Good!

Also, Jerry would be one of the first to encourage folks to pursue their vision of their Marauder. No matter weather it be Stock, Eaton, or Centri.

If that was the case I don't think he would have a problem with Zack, but that's just me.

[DEFYANT]

No it's not Charlie. That's just your opinion.

The most reliable Marauders are stock, fact. HA!

Feeding more of this foolish banter is silly. But I must point out that I was referring to supercharged Marauders. But you already knew that. And before you respond negatively, I've been here long enough to see which power adder options hold up and perform the best. Not my opinion, facts though observation.

[1stMerc]

Simply amazing...

[GAMike]

If that was the case I don't think he would have a problem with Zack, but that's just me.

It wasn't that Zack went another way............ It was how he went about going down that road that was the issue. These kinds of things matter to folks who value things like reputation, honor, protocol and integrity.

You are a nice guy Dom, but you are so desperate to be the anti-establishment that sometimes you become blind to situational reality.

Don't get the JB - Zack thing twisted. Go back and look at the whole thing objectively. Zacks conduct towards a member who contributed a huge amount of resource, knowledge, effort and hospitality to the MM.net (not an owner either) community was deplorable and totally classless.

For 1st & 2nd Generation Marauder owners he is easily in the top 2 contributors to our hobby. The reputation he earned was because he engineered a solution to a problem, to a level of specificity that has not been matched by any other supercharger vendor since. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery when the immitator gives credit where credit is due....... Not when the immitator takes shots at a solution that was crafted 6-7 years earlier and has withstood the testing + real world abuse from a very satisfied user community. There was a right way to say "I want to build a roots alternative, but I need to utitilize Trilogy brackets to accomplish that goal.....He could have had offline discussions & negotiated some form of compromise, he also could have sucked in some pride and offered to buy them from the get go.

Get with it Dom or it will run you over. This is how the world operates. The only way you can change it if ya don't like it, is from the inside. Not railing against societal norms from the cheap angst seats.

I'm done. Sorry if I am killing your thread Rex, and Dom don't take this personally. This is what I would tell you or Zack if we were face to face. Hopefully the one time we met and spent time talking @ MV8 in Charlotte would back these statements up.:burnout:Yes, I do like the fact that you have a 180k supercharged Marauder. Much props:bows:

[Motorhead350]

Feeding more of this foolish banter is silly. But I must point out that I was referring to supercharged Marauders. But you already knew that. And before you respond negatively, I've been here long enough to see which power adder options hold up and perform the best. Not my opinion, facts though observation.

Really? Is that right? So your opinion is right... even if there is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion. I have seen more "I blew up my Trilogy" threads than any other kit. Plus the highest mileage supercharger Marauder isn't a Trilogy... to my knowledge. You say you have been here long enough to know, but you gotta stay constant with the times.




You are a nice guy Dom, but you are so desperate to be the anti-establishment that sometimes you become blind to situational reality.

Don't get the JB - Zack thing twisted. Go back and look at the whole thing objectively. Zacks conduct towards a member who contributed a huge amount of resource, knowledge, effort and hospitality to the MM.net (not an owner either) community was deplorable and totally classless.

For 1st & 2nd Generation Marauder owners he is easily in the top 2 contributors to our hobby. The reputation he earned was because he engineered a solution to a problem, to a level of specificity that has not been matched by any other supercharger vendor since. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery when the immitator gives credit where credit is due....... Not when the immitator takes shots at a solution that was crafted 6-7 years earlier and has withstood the testing + real world abuse from a very satisfied user community. There was a right way to say "I want to build a roots alternative, but I need to utitilize Trilogy brackets to accomplish that goal.....He could have had offline discussions & negotiated some form of compromise, he also could have sucked in some pride and offered to buy them from the get go.

Get with it Dom or it will run you over. This is how the world operates. The only way you can change it if ya don't like it, is from the inside. Not railing against societal norms from the cheap angst seats.

I'm done. Sorry if I am killing your thread Rex, and Dom don't take this personally. This is what I would tell you or Zack if we were face to face. Hopefully the one time we met and spent time talking @ MV8 in Charlotte would back these statements up.:burnout:Yes, I do like the fact that you have a 180k supercharged Marauder. Much props:bows:

Alright I will say this, honestly who cares about the problems Jerry and Zack have with one another? That is their business and not mine.

Second I might seem anti-establishment because I don't live on my knees. I am not saying you do, but when I hear something like "that's just the way it is" is annoyies the crap outta me. It seems like anyone that says that statement has no balls or even the ability to do something about it. So if a kit is 7k and that's that, there are other ways. Someone found a way, big thumbs up from me.

Finally, I know to make a change you do it from the inside. I live by that dude. I get in peoples faces and inside the building... literally. Emails and phone calls don't do justice. I don't know what that has to do with anything.

Bottom line, enjoy the world of boost.

[Siege]

I have seen more "I blew up my Trilogy" threads than any other kit.

I don't think I've ever come across a thread where someone had a blown engine with a Trilogy running the stock boost and tune. Not that I don't believe you but I'd like to see the threads you mention if you could post some links.

Also, when there are 235+ Trilogy kits compared to 50 some of all the other kits combined it's not surprising you would see more posts about Trilogy.


Bottom line, enjoy the world of boost.
Agreed. :beer:

[guspech750]

Boooooooooooooooooost!!!
It's what's for dinner!!


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[sailsmen]

I don't think I've ever come across a thread where someone had a blown engine with a Trilogy running the stock boost and tune. Not that I don't believe you but I'd like to see the threads you mention if you could post some links.

Also, when there are 235+ Trilogy kits compared to 50 some of all the other kits combined it's not surprising you would see more posts about Trilogy.


Agreed. :beer:

Search and you will find;
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72894&highlight=trilogy
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71566&highlight=trilogy
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=63896&highlight=trilogy
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58668&highlight=trilogy
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19934&highlight=lidio
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16676&highlight=engine
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27364&highlight=catastrophic

[Siege]

Thanks for the links! I'll work on my search-fu. :D

[SC Cheesehead]

...There was a right way to say "I want to build a roots alternative, but I need to utitilize Trilogy brackets to accomplish that goal.....He could have had offline discussions & negotiated some form of compromise, he also could have sucked in some pride and offered to buy them from the get go.

I'm done. Sorry if I am killing your thread Rex

You've not killed the thread, Mike; but as usual with most threads, this one's headed south... :o (Like trying to herd cats...;))

At the risk of starting another pissing match, I do want to address the topic of brackets for the Eaton swap. (Tried that at another time, and in another place and got soundly beaten down for it, but here goes again).

The Eaton swap does not "utitilize Trilogy brackets." If you set a pair of Trilogy brackets next to a pair of grtch brackets, they are similar, but you will see differences. Also, they are different dimensionally. If you and I pulled our cars into a garage and swapped brackets, we wouldn't be able to drive back out, as neither the blower or accessory belts would align with their respective operating components on either of our cars.

That's a point that I've tried to make in the past, but it's one that really riles Trilogy folks. I have no doubt that the Trilogy brackets were used as a basis for design for those used on the Eaton swap; however, they are not the "same." They are very similar because they perform the same function; and as to configuration, they have to be very similar as they each hold the same manufactured components (i.e. a belt tensioner and an OEM alternator). Also, because of the limited space in the engine bay, these components are pretty much limited to where they can be positioned, at least without major re-engineering of other engine systems.

I can't say for sure, but it's my guess that the original Trilogy bracket design was engineered off layout and positioning of the belt tensioner and alternator on a Cobra front skirt as they have a similar configuration. That said, the Trilogy design is much less complex, and makes a whole lot of sense.

And if the basic Cobra front skirt layout and positoning was used as a starting point for the Trilogy brackets, I would expect as much. Trying to totally engineer something from scratch is a daunting challenge, and the technique of using an existing design to develop variants has been going on for years in numerous industries. (Example: the basic design and configuration of cast iron pushrod V8 engines).

And speaking of cast iron, I spent over 20 years of my career in the iron foundry business making castings for hundreds of customers, everything from bathtubs to turbocharger housings, and you know what, after a while it's pretty easy to figure out what a particular casting is designed for, whether it be for one customer or another.

Ground engaging teeth for Caterpillar look strikingly similar to those cast for Kubota or John Deere.

I'd be real hard pressed to tell the difference between a cast iron Kohler bathtub and one from American Standard.

Rear suspension components for a Freightliner are darn near identical to the ones used by Mack or Volvo Heavy Truck.

The point I'm trying to make here is that form follows function. If a part is made to provide or enable a specific function, chances are pretty high that it will look very much the same as one from another manufacturer. Heck, that's what most design engineers do: find something used for a similar application and then modify it to meet their specific requirements.

I certainly think Jerry Barnes deserves credit for his original designs, but as far as I know, they're not patented, and I guess when it comes right down to it, another 20 or so SC kits from now it will all be a moot point from Trilogy's perspective. After that, if you want a roots-type SC set up on your car, it'll be searching for a used Trilogy, or going the Eaton swap route (albeit with perhaps a different blower head).

Maybe the best way to immortalize Jerry's contribution to that ongoing effort would be to start calling them Barnes-type brackets.

In any event, I'm grateful reciepient of Jerry's hard work, even though I'm not running a Trilogy. Without his efforts, anyone looking to do a roots-type setup on a Marauder would be pretty much forced to use a Cobra front skirt, and along with that the associated BS of frame notching, etc.

I just hope that as time goes by, we can all just appreciate what Jerry's brought to the table and move beyond the :bs: and all the petty sniping that seems to always come up when one mentions Trilogy in the same sentence as an alternative SC setup.

[sailsmen]

Who invented the wheel and rope? You have a wheel or rope not from the original inventor? Traitor, thief, copy cat?

[SC Cheesehead]

Who invented the wheel and rope? You have a wheel or rope not from the original inventor? Traitor, thief, copy cat?


Yup, that's were I was coming from.

[guspech750]

You've not killed the thread, Mike; but as usual with most threads, this one's headed south... :o (Like trying to herd cats...;))


Wow Rex. You made me shed a tear with your post. Spoken like a true poet!!


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[Siege]

Ok, I had a chance to look at all the threads listed.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72894&highlight=trilogy

SW headers with stock Trilogy tune = BOOM
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71566&highlight=trilogy

Failed intercooler pump relay
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58668&highlight=trilogy

Failed intercooler pump
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19934&highlight=lidio

Blower ingested an air divider added to inlet elbow
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16676&highlight=engine

Highly modified and beat on:burn:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27364&highlight=catastrophic
Increased boost

It seems like the only stock Marauders with a Trilogy at stock boost running the stock tune have blown due to an issue with the intercooler pump failing. It seems like it would be a good idea to add a warning light inside the car that will display if there is a failure of the pump.

So..... I heard that Trilogy is ending production of their kits!
:lol:

[beantown mm]

OK, now for my 2 cents, keep in mind I am only an END USER and have all my work done by professionals, so my quick slant here is based on people, not brackets and pulleys, just to set the playing field.

Jerry - called him when I was looking to buy the car (not the Supercharger), and he knew I was only like 20% ever going to buy the kit from him, I was just curious.

I asked his advice on the car I was looking at, he answered dumb questions I had about it, he and his son Andrew had me send pic's of the car so they could help me out so I made a good decision, ON THE PURCHASE OF THE CAR, NOT SUPERCHARGER. Jerry and Andrew were the nicest people and I couldn't believe they even gave me the time of day.

Enuf said, Jerry stands on his own merit, needless to say I became #212 and he has bent over backwards for every stupid question I have had along the way.


Zack - I wanted to buy his chromed wheels a while ago, called him on the phone, classify this communication as the anti Jerry attitude in every way. Finally AGREED ON THE PURCHASE, I then had the misfortune of asking whether they were all indeed factory original wheels, just an inquiry as I said in first paragraph, not too knowledgeable so figured I would at least ask, and was buying them already anyways, figured I should know. I think you can all guess the INSTANT REACTION TO THAT QUESTION --- "THE SALE IS OFF, I AM NOT SELLING THEM TO YOU".... no explanation, no nothing, you dare ask me a question, and I know someone will say he thought I was questioning his integrity so that justified his actions, but the deal was done and I was and I told him I didn't care, just needed to know for the day I ever re-sold them.


Independent observer here not looking to add fuel, I don't care vortek -procharg - trilogy - eaton - wind or solar powered car...... just telling a story. :beer:

[Joe Walsh]

Businessmen? Nope. An actual gearhead found a way to make the same amount of power for half the cost and made it work. I wouldn't call it copied when there was so much else that was different. Plus someone found a way to stop the cash flow to Jerry. It was a kick in the wallet for businessmen and a bright day for true Hot Rodders. After all, Hot Rods are built, not bought.


No guys. Hot rodders aren't theives, but if someone finds out a cheaper way around things that's called a tip or tick. You will find them in magizines and if you play your cards right, you will get this info from other people. Plus the Eaton parts date back before the kits all of Jerrys kids have, so that wouldn't make him the innovator. Espeically if 80 percent of the parts were already from Ford. So.... yeah nothing brought to the table really, except laid out in a nice way to make it work for our cars. The kit wasn't from scratch. If it was I would agree on the innovator, but because it wasn't going to have to disagree.
As far as Eaton. It was a way to keep the hobby alive during a tough financial time for most people. So I say the man who made it work for our cars was a hero for keeping hot rodding going and saving people thousands. Taking away profit from another business? Maybe so, but that's called life. There was no official kit ot anything. Starting a company name and making it a kit would be another. After all procharger, paxton and vortech were along from the early days. I don't hear anyone saying they took from Trilogy.
Not saying its a bad product at all, its just most Trilogy owners stroke the Trilogy ego way too much... but not all.

Hey Dom,
Hope that you make it big in the music world and then have all your albums and profits scammed for free off the internet.
How's that gonna feel?


It wasn't that Zack went another way............ It was how he went about going down that road that was the issue. These kinds of things matter to folks who value things like reputation, honor, protocol and integrity.

You are a nice guy Dom, but you are so desperate to be the anti-establishment that sometimes you become blind to situational reality.

Don't get the JB - Zack thing twisted. Go back and look at the whole thing objectively. Zacks conduct towards a member who contributed a huge amount of resource, knowledge, effort and hospitality to the MM.net (not an owner either) community was deplorable and totally classless.

For 1st & 2nd Generation Marauder owners he is easily in the top 2 contributors to our hobby. The reputation he earned was because he engineered a solution to a problem, to a level of specificity that has not been matched by any other supercharger vendor since. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery when the immitator gives credit where credit is due....... Not when the immitator takes shots at a solution that was crafted 6-7 years earlier and has withstood the testing + real world abuse from a very satisfied user community. There was a right way to say "I want to build a roots alternative, but I need to utitilize Trilogy brackets to accomplish that goal.....He could have had offline discussions & negotiated some form of compromise, he also could have sucked in some pride and offered to buy them from the get go.

Get with it Dom or it will run you over. This is how the world operates. The only way you can change it if ya don't like it, is from the inside. Not railing against societal norms from the cheap angst seats.

I'm done. Sorry if I am killing your thread Rex, and Dom don't take this personally. This is what I would tell you or Zack if we were face to face. Hopefully the one time we met and spent time talking @ MV8 in Charlotte would back these statements up.:burnout:Yes, I do like the fact that you have a 180k supercharged Marauder. Much props:bows:

Maybe we should call the rebel without a clue....."James Dom"



BTW: I'm sorry to hear that Jerry is stopping production on the Trilogy S/C kit.
Actually I am amazed that he continued to support and sell the product!
I mean......there are so few Marauders and even fewer owners looking for a S/C kit for their Marauder.
Kudos to Jerry and I wish I had bought his kit way back when I started to mod my Marauder and had modding money to burn!

.............

[Vortech347]

God you guys are whiney bitches sometimes.

They had a great run. Most aftermarket products for a limited run of specific cars does not nearly go as long as Trilogy did. While expensive yes, but they were a kit you could order, have it to your door and install. Eaton swap you've gota track down parts. Unless your an automotive/forum guru things can get challenging.

[SC Cheesehead]

God you guys are whiney bitches sometimes.

They had a great run. Most aftermarket products for a limited run of specific cars does not nearly go as long as Trilogy did. While expensive yes, but they were a kit you could order, have it to your door and install. Eaton swap you've gota track down parts. Unless your an automotive/forum guru things can get challenging.

Won't argue either point. As said in earlier posts, IMO, Trilogy is THE best packaged performance kit available for our cars. The only thing that kept me from getting one was the price. Not saying it wasn't worth it, just couldn't afford it (or more significantly, justify the expenditure with The Boss...:cool:).

Rounding up parts for an Eaton swap is challenging for sure, but I found it to be an enjoyable challenge; and I ended up learning a heck of a lot about supercharging, about our cars, and 4V 4.6L engines in the process. Definitely not the desired or best route to go for everyone, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

[Vortech347]

Won't argue either point. As said in earlier posts, IMO, Trilogy is THE best packaged performance kit available for our cars. The only thing that kept me from getting one was the price. Not saying it wasn't worth it, just couldn't afford it (or more significantly, justify the expenditure with The Boss...:cool:).

Rounding up parts for an Eaton swap is challenging for sure, but I found it to be an enjoyable challenge; and I ended up learning a heck of a lot about supercharging, about our cars, and 4V 4.6L engines in the process. Definitely not the desired or best route to go for everyone, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Being smart and resourceful saves you money. Thats what makes the world go round.

[2,4shofast]

Being smart and resourceful saves you money. Thats what makes the world go round.

Looks like you have a new task....tracking me down some parts haha:beer:

[Vortech347]

I can do that. :) Hell I'll assist with install.

[2,4shofast]

I'll bring the Devastators:beer:

[Fourth Horseman]

And I'll bring the pizza! I definitely want to be there when you bolt up your s/c!

[Vortech347]

Utah Marauderville. All 3 of us can play with tools and get smashed on devastators. Sweet.

[2,4shofast]

Utah Marauderville. All 3 of us can play with tools and get smashed on devastators. Sweet.

Lets make it happen:beer:

[fastblackmerc]

OK, now for my 2 cents, keep in mind I am only an END USER and have all my work done by professionals, so my quick slant here is based on people, not brackets and pulleys, just to set the playing field.

Jerry - called him when I was looking to buy the car (not the Supercharger), and he knew I was only like 20% ever going to buy the kit from him, I was just curious.

I asked his advice on the car I was looking at, he answered dumb questions I had about it, he and his son Andrew had me send pic's of the car so they could help me out so I made a good decision, ON THE PURCHASE OF THE CAR, NOT SUPERCHARGER. Jerry and Andrew were the nicest people and I couldn't believe they even gave me the time of day.

Enuf said, Jerry stands on his own merit, needless to say I became #212 and he has bent over backwards for every stupid question I have had along the way.


Zack - I wanted to buy his chromed wheels a while ago, called him on the phone, classify this communication as the anti Jerry attitude in every way. Finally AGREED ON THE PURCHASE, I then had the misfortune of asking whether they were all indeed factory original wheels, just an inquiry as I said in first paragraph, not too knowledgeable so figured I would at least ask, and was buying them already anyways, figured I should know. I think you can all guess the INSTANT REACTION TO THAT QUESTION --- "THE SALE IS OFF, I AM NOT SELLING THEM TO YOU".... no explanation, no nothing, you dare ask me a question, and I know someone will say he thought I was questioning his integrity so that justified his actions, but the deal was done and I was and I told him I didn't care, just needed to know for the day I ever re-sold them.


Independent observer here not looking to add fuel, I don't care vortek -procharg - trilogy - eaton - wind or solar powered car...... just telling a story. :beer:

Sounds like someone had something to hide.

[Big Black Beast]

The sad part is really that we all have one less choice now...

[SC Cheesehead]

The sad part is really that we all have one less choice now...

True, that.

[CWright]

I am running DR's NOVI 1200 Air to Air kit and absolutely love it. I will say I hate to see Jerry stopping the production for the Marauder but completely understand. I have driven Mike (GaMike) and Todd Fisher (TAF) cars who both have Trilogy's with phenominal power. The only difference is Todd's has a Twinscrew. I would have to say I like their cars as much as I do mine although they have their differences. Mike and I have run before and we both know where the strong parts of each car lay. Jerry's complete kit looks and performs great and I'd like to have a second Marauder one day to do a Trilogy on. But since he's not going to make them anymore I guess I'm out on that. Anyway, I commend Jerry for what he has contributed to our cars along with Dennis. They gave us a complete kit and with that a choice in TOYS to play with.:burnout:

[steve fox]

ordered another for the DTR and glad to be able to do so. Maybe some like to wrench on their MM, I prefer to drive mine. Jerry did all the hard work so I can simply smoke the unsuspectiing, park it when done and know it will do the same tomorrow with the twist of the key.

[Mike827]

Talked with jerry earlier today, and he said that "I have already sold 6 kits and if i wanted one to hurry because they are going fast." I will have the money for the trilogy kit in 3 months:banana2: but it may not be anymore available to purchase...So im going to lean more towards the vortex kit. What is the big difference in the two kits? I would like to have the trilogy though.

[SC Cheesehead]

Talked with jerry earlier today, and he said that "I have already sold 6 kits and if i wanted one to hurry because they are going fast." I will have the money for the trilogy kit in 3 months:banana2: but it may not be anymore available to purchase...So im going to lean more towards the vortex kit. What is the big difference in the two kits? I would like to have the trilogy though.

The biggest difference is the Triolgy is a Roots-type and the Vortex is a centrifugal style.

Here's some good info on the differences.

http://www.experts123.com/q/what-is-the-difference-between-a-centrifugal-supercharger-and-a-roots-type-supercharger.html

http://www.jegs.com/s/tech-articles/superchargers.html&title=Superchargers+-+Blowers+-+Roots+Type+-+Centrifugal

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0808phr_roots_centrifigul_scre w_superchargers/viewall.htm

In the end, either type will give your car a nice boost in HP (pun intended...:D)

[sailsmen]

Read Super Charged by Corky Bell.

[Cougar_Marauder]

It's a done deal. Looks like I'm gonna be #238 :cool:

[RF Overlord]

Congrats from #61... :up:

[ImpalaSlayer]

no shock really, considering probably better then half mms are worth only slightly more then what this kit sell for

[RF Overlord]

But Dave, now that the last Panther has officially rolled off the assembly line, the value of our cars should skyrocket, right? Right? :depress:

(...and then I woke up.)

[ImpalaSlayer]

But Dave, now that the last Panther has officially rolled off the assembly line, the value of our cars should skyrocket, right? Right? :depress:

(...and then I woke up.)

lol thats gona be a while with the MILLIONS of panthers on the roads

[SC Cheesehead]

It's a done deal. Looks like I'm gonna be #238 :cool:

WOOT!

:congrats:

[Phrog_gunner]

This thread makes me :(.

[DEFYANT]

No vehicle is a good investment. Dont sink your money in a car and expect to get it back. However, if you are looking for something unique, the Marauder is the car for you. Want to make it fast and even more rare? Supercharge it. The kit is your choice. Mine was clear. Trilogy.

[Motorhead350]

Hey Dom,
Hope that you make it big in the music world and then have all your albums and profits scammed for free off the internet.
How's that gonna feel?



Maybe we should call the rebel without a clue....."James Dom"



BTW: I'm sorry to hear that Jerry is stopping production on the Trilogy S/C kit.
Actually I am amazed that he continued to support and sell the product!
I mean......there are so few Marauders and even fewer owners looking for a S/C kit for their Marauder.
Kudos to Jerry and I wish I had bought his kit way back when I started to mod my Marauder and had modding money to burn!

.............

Sorry for the delay, I was busy street racing at 2am and trying out bass players.

Now for you Joe and how you wish people to steal from me. The truth is this. Labels has long been known to not pay bands under contract long before Napster. So now when I hear people taking music for free I'm almost fine with that. People that run major labels aren't music fans, they are business people. They don't care what you sound like as long as you make them money, because that's all they care about... money.

Thats why you see bands tour more often, they make money on the road. If they have the fame they will start a clothing line, have a signature guitar or something related. Guitar Hero was actually saving the industry because people actually had to pay for the game, guess what was in the game... MUSIC! Not only that, but music they paid for. Who would have thought?

Rebel without a clue? I believe it's you who is clueless. Get blown already, by that I mean boost up your car and quit giving me a hard time because you life is so pathetic, that's what makes you happy.


OK, now for my 2 cents, keep in mind I am only an END USER and have all my work done by professionals, so my quick slant here is based on people, not brackets and pulleys, just to set the playing field.

Jerry - called him when I was looking to buy the car (not the Supercharger), and he knew I was only like 20% ever going to buy the kit from him, I was just curious.

I asked his advice on the car I was looking at, he answered dumb questions I had about it, he and his son Andrew had me send pic's of the car so they could help me out so I made a good decision, ON THE PURCHASE OF THE CAR, NOT SUPERCHARGER. Jerry and Andrew were the nicest people and I couldn't believe they even gave me the time of day.

Enuf said, Jerry stands on his own merit, needless to say I became #212 and he has bent over backwards for every stupid question I have had along the way.


Zack - I wanted to buy his chromed wheels a while ago, called him on the phone, classify this communication as the anti Jerry attitude in every way. Finally AGREED ON THE PURCHASE, I then had the misfortune of asking whether they were all indeed factory original wheels, just an inquiry as I said in first paragraph, not too knowledgeable so figured I would at least ask, and was buying them already anyways, figured I should know. I think you can all guess the INSTANT REACTION TO THAT QUESTION --- "THE SALE IS OFF, I AM NOT SELLING THEM TO YOU".... no explanation, no nothing, you dare ask me a question, and I know someone will say he thought I was questioning his integrity so that justified his actions, but the deal was done and I was and I told him I didn't care, just needed to know for the day I ever re-sold them.


Independent observer here not looking to add fuel, I don't care vortek -procharg - trilogy - eaton - wind or solar powered car...... just telling a story. :beer:

There's gotta be a lot more to the story than that. Sounds like you were really hesitant on buying the wheels and making Zack mad to a point where he called the sale off. By you posting something that has nothing to do with superchargers reveals your mission in this thread was to give Zack a bad name. For that I wish you good day sir!


No vehicle is a good investment. Dont sink your money in a car and expect to get it back. However, if you are looking for something unique, the Marauder is the car for you. Want to make it fast and even more rare? Supercharge it. The kit is your choice. Mine was clear. Trilogy.

+1.

[jstevens]

I like the first part of the post better.

They're always busting your balls and I don't really even know you.

[Rockettman]

I like the first part of the post better.

They're always busting your balls and I don't really even know you.

Me too.
These little playground fights get old.

[Mike827]

Think im going to go ahead and pull the trigger wed. on the trilogy kit.

[JET]

Trilogy #8 is running great and I'm still loving it.
What a great product that has brought me so much fun.
Thanks Jerry, Lidio and all those involved.

[SC Cheesehead]

Think im going to go ahead and pull the trigger wed. on the trilogy kit.

Wise move, you'll love it!

[beantown mm]

Jerry Barnes and Trilogy are all about presenting Class.

[Bradley G]

I just got my privileges reinstated so it is possible for me to weigh in on this.
I am amazed that Jerry has been able to offer this magnificent option for us at all, let alone for the seven years I have *(daily) driven my marauder.
The 93 Trilogy car has 115,000 miles is currently @15# of boost and has seen more different drivers butts than a Hertz rent a car.
This continues to be the most spectacular vehicle I have ever been associated with.
I am so proud of Jerry and all he does for the Marauder community, you friend are All Time in my book.
Now about that extra twin screw kit that you said you still had kicking around :lol:

[bugsyc]

Will there be a sell off sale for the last ones????

[SC Cheesehead]

Will there be a sell off sale for the last ones????

He's got less than 15 kits left, and those are going fast. If anything, the last few may go for premium $ rather than at a discount.

[Bradley G]

cut that number in half maybe 7-8 kits left per Jerry Barnes
He's got less than 15 kits left, and those are going fast. If anything, the last few may go for premium $ rather than at a discount.

[SC Cheesehead]

cut that number in half maybe 7-8 kits left per Jerry Barnes

Well, there you go. I highly doubt that Jerry's gonna have to "fire sale" the remainder to peddle his remaining inventory.

Anybody interested better jump on these quick. Like my old Uncle Heinrich used to say, "Sie, die dösen, werden verlieren."

[jstevens]

Bradley,

You make me proud. I hope I can expect the same amount of miles out of my trilogy. It surely loves this cool air.

[Bradley G]

Only doing my best to spread the love!
Bradley,

You make me proud. I hope I can expect the same amount of miles out of my trilogy. It surely loves this cool air.

[CanadaMarauder]

Just put my name on #245 Can't WAIT!!!! See if you bug your wife long enough dreams can come true hahaha

[Bradley G]

Saweet!:beer:
Just put my name on #245 Can't WAIT!!!! See if you bug your wife long enough dreams can come true hahaha

[MyBlackBeasts]

#242!!! :D:banana2::D:beer:

[Odinson]

Thanks for the heads up. The fear factory gets #241.

Might be a few months before it actually comes on line JDM is booked.

He literally only has a few left!!!

I was joking with Jerry, about the MPG on the Trilogy. He reminded me that if you step on it, it goes way down.

Of course if all you do is spin 'em it goes to 0. :burnout: He liked that.

Apparently somebody has 3 now.

Congrats fellow Trillogy newbs! :)

[Marauder131]

Congrats to all the new Trilogy owners. You've all chosen very wisely.

[Guittard22]

so there's only 4 left wow

[DOOM]

#242!!! :D:banana2::D:beer:


Just put my name on #245 Can't WAIT!!!! See if you bug your wife long enough dreams can come true hahaha

A big :congrats: to the both of you! :banana2:

You guys might want to get in on the group buy we started for the trilogy jackets! :coolman:

http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12434

http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12485

[71cyclone]

'Trillogy' /another- limited production- living legend product.

[CBT]

*yawn* So long.

[fadetoblack]

Just ordered mine with Jerry. Only a few left folks. Jerry threw in the SCT tuner for $300.00 more. Sounded like a good deal, so I bit... Can't wait!!!

AND...I am broke again.

[SC Cheesehead]

Just ordered mine with Jerry. Only a few left folks. Jerry threw in the SCT tuner for $300.00 more. Sounded like a good deal, so I bit... Can't wait!!!

AND...I am broke again.

Good deal, you're gonna like it.

[guspech750]

Just ordered mine with Jerry. Only a few left folks. Jerry threw in the SCT tuner for $300.00 more. Sounded like a good deal, so I bit... Can't wait!!!

AND...I am broke again.

Awesome!! Another supercharged MM in the Chitown area!! Bad ass!!

I think we may have the most SC MM's of all the members here.
---
- Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

[TAKEDOWN]

Just ordered mine with Jerry. Only a few left folks. Jerry threw in the SCT tuner for $300.00 more. Sounded like a good deal, so I bit... Can't wait!!!

AND...I am broke again.

AwEs0mE :banana:. She's gonna be a BEAST:burnout:! I was broke right after I purchased mine too, and had to wait a couple of years before I could have the Trilogy installed, but it was well worth the wait!

Stay thirsty my friend! :beer:

[Guittard22]

3 left? or 4 now?

[Spectragod]

3 left? or 4 now?


When I talked to Mike last night, 1 is all that is left.

[Guittard22]

wow wish i had 7K wait i do but would like a MM frist :) lucky guy that gets the last one

[Marauder131]

When I talked to Mike last night, 1 is all that is left.

The end of an era. Someone better get on this and scoop up the last one.

[Guittard22]

Would it be bad to buy the kit with out having a mm to drop the super-charger in :)

[Siege]

Would it be bad to buy the kit with out having a mm to drop the super-charger in :)
Go for it and if you end up not getting a Marauder I'm sure you could sell the Trilogy for at least what you paid.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/daz.gif

[Guittard22]

Anyone buy the last one??