Tickets

[Shaijack]

My question is does anyone from Georgia know if there is a Law that gives a driver a BY for first tickets?

In Louisiana there is Article 894 that gives a first ticket holder a break. Basicly said that you get a 6 month probation for the first ticket.

I was lucky to recieve my FIRST ticket. Driving since I was 14 and licensed at 16 and it happened on way back from MarauderVille 9. 76 in a 55. I was in a group of three cars and I feel he was car profiling. LOL As a retired LEO i will say the guy was a Dxxx. I showed him by police ID. He writes the ticket and wants me to give him a reason for my speeding. I told him that he has written the ticket and plans to give it to me so would you please let me sign it and get home.

I have NO problem paying (I was speeding) but if there is a Law in Georgia I will fight it.

When I pulled away I did get second gear rubber.

Any one knows something let me know. I am calling the DA there today to check into it more.
Thanks for your help,

[SC Cheesehead]

My question is does anyone from Georgia know if there is a Law that gives a driver a BY for first tickets?

In Louisiana there is Article 894 that gives a first ticket holder a break. Basicly said that you get a 6 month probation for the first ticket.

I was lucky to recieve my FIRST ticket. Driving since I was 14 and licensed at 16 and it happened on way back from MarauderVille 9. 76 in a 55. I was in a group of three cars and I feel he was car profiling. LOL As a retired LEO i will say the guy was a Dxxx. I showed him by police ID. He writes the ticket and wants me to give him a reason for my speeding. I told him that he has written the ticket and plans to give it to me so would you please let me sign it and get home.

I have NO problem paying (I was speeding) but if there is a Law in Georgia I will fight it.

When I pulled away I did get second gear rubber.

Any one knows something let me know. I am calling the DA there today to check into it more.
Thanks for your help,


PM Chris (cwright) or Mike (GAMike), they might be able to get you an answer, they both live down there.

[Marauderman]

Sorry to hear that Bary--but after all.......which reminds me that in todays generation, young LEOs' when flashed a retired or not badge, they immediately think---".....of all the ones that should know better....."--and go ahead and issue the citiation just for that reason---can work either way--so its a 50/50.......

Like Rex said, might post up in the "Souther Marauder" forum---a lot of folks there --and some LEO's I believe......or some that know 'um for sure.

BTW--it wasn't a State dude, young , barely able to see over his smokey----had a run in last time down there myself with him........just curious....

[youngrauderlvr]

There is probably not a law like that in Ga.....If it is like South Carolina, Its all in who you know.

[MOTOWN]

Sorry to hear that Bary--but after all.......which reminds me that in todays generation, young LEOs' when flashed a retired or not badge, they immediately think---".....of all the ones that should know better....."--and go ahead and issue the citiation just for that reason---can work either way--so its a 50/50.......

Like Rex said, might post up in the "Souther Marauder" forum---a lot of folks there --and some LEO's I believe......or some that know 'um for sure.

BTW--it wasn't a State dude, young , barely able to see over his smokey----had a run in last time down there myself with him........just curious....

Ive got to totaly disagree with that statement, as a leo i would never consider writing another leo (retired or not) one of the first things we were tought is to respect, and protect our own period!

It takes a real :censor:, to ticket a fellow leo!

[Marauderman]

Ive got to totaly disagree with that statement, as a leo i would never consider writing another leo (retired or not) one of the first things we were tought is to respect, and protect our own period!

It takes a real :censor:, to ticket a fellow leo!

You , sir, are some of the exception--and I appreciate it as do other LEOs--but--I was referring to those younger than you--which believe it or not --is a different generation --like I was referring too in my post--I still don't know what the age was of the LEO in the issue--I did ask--

[MOTOWN]

You make a good point! although i feel 18, im not, and the younger officers do seem to have a different mind set.

[Shaijack]

I never wrote up a fellow LEO. Maybe gave them a bunch of CRxP but never wrote them or family. Well I was doing 76 and do not mind paying. I have put in calls to the DA in that area and the courts but have not recieved an answer. Thanks for your support and ideas.

[Marauderman]

You make a good point! although i feel 18, im not, and the younger officers do seem to have a different mind set.

Keep that in mind should that happen to you--its hard to speak a thousand words in 30 seconds---which a generation separation seems---take care--

[GAMike]

To the best of my knowledge, GA does not have a law like that on the books. What I can tell you is, that every jurisdiction has their own operating philosophy....... Ea. county is different, which is different from the city police forces that lie within said county, and GSP is different than both( or in some cases the same, but none of it from a civilian perspective is easy to figure out.... A design play :rolleyes:)

Plus add in the fact that many police forces in GA don't play nicely in their sandbox with other PD's and its a screwed up disfunctional mess....... Alot of Metro forces look at tickets as revenue generators, so I doubt a ticket written (especially in the new computerized programs) can be dealt with as a "courtesy". Some counties near me went with computerized systems because too many police officers were getting friends and family out of tickets :beatnik:.

I know its not gonna help with your ticket, but I hope it explains our mess here in the Peach State a lil better:o



76 in a 55? Sounds like Dunwoody, or Sandy Springs???? If so they are colosal bastages and all they want is your $$$$

[Shaijack]

GAMike it was College Station right outside of Atlanta. I 85. I do think it was city police. Oh well I did the crime and will pay the fine. I will still talk to the DA on Monday to check first. Thanks for your help.
Rex this will not stop me from coming to see you, Russ or Tom.

[GAMike]

GAMike it was College Station right outside of Atlanta. I 85. I do think it was city police. Oh well I did the crime and will pay the fine. I will still talk to the DA on Monday to check first. Thanks for your help.
Rex this will not stop me from coming to see you, Russ or Tom.

College Park.... Yup right around the airport. They are pretty strict from what I hear.... Have not had a visit with them, but see em patrolling that stretch from the 75-85 split to the airport exit.

[Vortex]

As a retired LEO all I can add is IMHO that its best not to expect special treatment by flashing the tin. If you get a warning, feel lucky and grateful. If not, you are being treated just like every other schmo so thats the breaks.

[rayjay]

As a retired LEO all I can add is IMHO that its best not to expect special treatment by flashing the tin. If you get a warning, feel lucky and grateful. If not, you are being treated just like every other schmo so thats the breaks.

Once again I agree with you. Its not the old days when a Member would never write another Member or their wife. I hate even showing my shield as some consider a commander a trophy pinch. :rolleyes: Not to mention the pressure today to rake in the cash by the states.

[Granddaddy Marq]

Well, I waited untill I cooled off to reply to this. Maybe I shouldn't say anything at all, I can't realy say anything nice. LEO's are lyers and cowerds! They can't abide by the laws they enforce. And they will tell you their above the law, just ask one. They will lye to you to get information out of you, but it's against the law to lye to them. They will drive like a absolot fool to wright you a ticket all the time telling you how dangeruos you are. They can watch you, look at your phone and financel records, but you can't watch them, or even find out where they live. "That's nun of your buisness." They will beat you and yell "Stop Resisting", all you want to do is stay alive. But defend youself and you face felany charges. They can dish it out but they can't take it. That's what I call a bully, (candya**). Even when they finlly decid one is bad enough to go to jail they can't make it with out specal tretment, "protective coutady". They can't servive with out thier weapons or "Law" on their side.
This was not the way I always felt. Officer Ronny Davison (RIP) would hold selfdefence classes, and teach people how to use their guns. He helped me hone my scills. He did give a Da##.
But the turning point for me was when an off duty cop tore the front bumper off my beloved GM in a parking lot and left. A lady witnessed the event and call the cops. They found the guy brought him back to the sean, what do you know NO INSURANCE. The investigating officer didn't want to do much about it when he found out it was a cop. Three days later a road block near my house an officer asked for my licinse and insurance. I asked if office "so & so" was there. He was and came over. I then ask if he had his licinse and insurance. He said " No". I then said "I gess we're done here." and drove off. They didn't follow. After 4 months I had to theaten to jail him if he didn't fix my car. He finly did.
More and more we see LEO's going to jail because they can't live by the laws they enforce. Auburn's Tumers Corner the tree posined by a cop. What a Block Head! And there's may move exampales.
The Brothers in Blue my be falling apart, and that might not a bad thing,,, for the common folks. I fell safer with my buddy's "Motor Cycle Club" then driving to town to get grocerys.
What I'm saying is I can't beleave you posted that. You're first a common folk then a LEO. Put your pants on one leg at a time just like me. Do as I Do not Do what say. Live by the Laws you enforce.
You might think this is :bs: or you might think this is a :banana2:. But I still would like to see your car and :beer: with you.



PS If you find any mispellings please fell free to fix that I don't read or wright so well.

[Granddaddy Marq]

Da** after all that in Al. 4 hour driving school $25 and court coust not on record. Or fine and on your record, about the same money.:stupid:

[Granddaddy Marq]

I can't beleave somebody hadn't comented on this!

[SC Cheesehead]

I can't beleave somebody hadn't comented on this!


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[Marauderman]

:hijack:


BTW--it wasn't a State dude, young , barely able to see over his smokey----had a run in last time down there myself with him........just curious....

:hijack: BTW --for those of you going to SSHS----If you have any license plate covers of any type, the GSP will likely pull you for it--They say its against the law in GA......and you know how I found out......

[rayjay]

I can't beleave somebody hadn't comented on this!

Commented on what? Your tirade against the police or the money grab by the states??? I highly doubt you understand the pressure put on LEOs to write tickets that they normally wouldn't because of the poor fiscal condition of most states due to their questionable committments. The powers that be see it as another revenue generator and could care less about John Q Public or what he thinks, especially folks from out of state. As for bad apples, there are one or more in every barrel, of EVERY profession. Do you have any idea what it costs just for basic training of a LEO? Then he/she doesn't work out and have to be let go. It ain't cheap brother...

[SC Cheesehead]

Commented on what? Your tirade against the police or the money grab by the states??? I highly doubt you understand the pressure put on LEOs to write tickets that they normally wouldn't because of the poor fiscal condition of most states due to their questionable committments. The powers that be see it as another revenue generator and could care less about John Q Public or what he thinks, especially folks from out of state. As for bad apples, there are one or more in every barrel, of EVERY profession. Do you have any idea what it costs just for basic training of a LEO? Then he/she doesn't work out and have to be let go. It ain't cheap brother...


Well said, Ray.

[Granddaddy Marq]

Commented on what? Your tirade against the police or the money grab by the states??? I highly doubt you understand the pressure put on LEOs to write tickets that they normally wouldn't because of the poor fiscal condition of most states due to their questionable committments. The powers that be see it as another revenue generator and could care less about John Q Public or what he thinks, especially folks from out of state. As for bad apples, there are one or more in every barrel, of EVERY profession. Do you have any idea what it costs just for basic training of a LEO? Then he/she doesn't work out and have to be let go. It ain't cheap brother...


If there's that much pressure on LOE's to write tickets why didn't the cop that hit my GM and left get a ticket for no insarance, leaving the sean, and hit and run? Apperantly there need to be more money spent on training they still don't have it right. They must spend all the money on education in this state then law enforcement, hence the spelling.

[SC Cheesehead]

If there's that much pressure on LOE's to write tickets why didn't the cop that hit my GM and left get a ticket for no insarance, leaving the sean, and hit and run? Apperantly there need to be more money spent on training they still don't have it right. They must spend all the money on education in this state then law enforcement, hence the spelling.


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[CBT]

If there's that much pressure on LOE's to write tickets why didn't the cop that hit my GM and left get a ticket for no insarance, leaving the sean, and hit and run? Apperantly there need to be more money spent on training they still don't have it right. They must spend all the money on education in this state then law enforcement, hence the spelling.
It sounds like you had to deal with an idiot. I'm 100% positive even that guys coworkers have asked him "Are you ****ing stupid?" after he did a hit and run. I'd be pissed if i were you but one clown doesn't make the whole circus. There are policemen on this site that have gotten tickets from other policemen, they don't all just let each other off out of professional courtesy, that has been proven. Either way, stuff happens. If that is the worst experience you've ever had in your life, you should get out more. :)

[Phrog_gunner]

If there's that much pressure on LOE's to write tickets why didn't the cop that hit my GM and left get a ticket for no insarance, leaving the sean, and hit and run? Apperantly there need to be more money spent on training they still don't have it right. They must spend all the money on education in this state then law enforcement, hence the spelling.

If it was a hit and run, how do you know he was a cop? If he was in a cruiser, then he definitely had insurance. So by you saying he didn't have insurance, I will deduce that he wasn't in a cruiser? If he wasn't in a cruiser how you know he was a cop and didn't have insurance? If you know this much about him, should have been pretty easy to file a report?

[Granddaddy Marq]

It sounds like you had to deal with an idiot. I'm 100% positive even that guys coworkers have asked him "Are you ****ing stupid?" after he did a hit and run. I'd be pissed if i were you but one clown doesn't make the whole circus. There are policemen on this site that have gotten tickets from other policemen, they don't all just let each other off out of professional courtesy, that has been proven. Either way, stuff happens. If that is the worst experience you've ever had in your life, you should get out more. :)

There's been more then that. Between the bad law enforcement and the politices in this state. Tn. here I come. Well when I learn to spell it:stupid:. Also education problems in this state.

[Granddaddy Marq]

If it was a hit and run, how do you know he was a cop? If he was in a cruiser, then he definitely had insurance. So by you saying he didn't have insurance, I will deduce that he wasn't in a cruiser? If he wasn't in a cruiser how you know he was a cop and didn't have insurance? If you know this much about him, should have been pretty easy to file a report?

Please refer to post 15 on this tread. (da#* thread) smelling killen' me here.

[rayjay]

In upstate NY a LEO would not get a break for a H&R. I personally know a Member of another agency that was hung for just that, then banished to NY's version of Siberia. I believe she is now off the job.

-AND- you can operate a MV in your state without insurance??? Note to self, stay out of that state.

Tenessee is a good choice. A lot folks from up here are retiring to there. Low taxes, cheap land, warmer, ect. Personally, I like South Carolina and the beaches. I'm a beach bum with a flat top. :D

[Paul T. Casey]

PM Mike (GAMike), he might be able to get you an answer, he gets a lot of tickets down there.

Fixed that for you.

[Granddaddy Marq]

In upstate NY a LEO would not get a break for a H&R. I personally know a Member of another agency that was hung for just that, then banished to NY's version of Siberia. I believe she is now off the job.

-AND- you can operate a MV in your state without insurance??? Note to self, stay out of that state.

Tenessee is a good choice. A lot folks from up here are retiring to there. Low taxes, cheap land, warmer, ect. Personally, I like South Carolina and the beaches. I'm a beach bum with a flat top. :D

You can operate a MV without insurance in this state. but if you get cought ticket, tag revoked. In some citys inpound.
Tenessee is a good state to go to. No income tax. no adverlurum tax! Alabama whats me to pay tax on what I get over the internet at 4%. Some of my freinds have had the county come to their house to inventory their tools and equipment so they can pay taxes on it. They already own the stuff, and have for years.

Alabama is going to be a good place to be from!

[Bluerauder]

You can operate a MV without insurance in this state. but if you get cought ticket, tag revoked. In some citys inpound.

So really you can't operate LEGALLY without insurance in the state. Didn't think so.


Tenessee is a good state to go to. No income tax. no adverlurum tax!

WTH is an "adverlurum" tax ??? :dunno:

[rayjay]

Alabama whats me to pay tax on what I get over the internet at 4%. Some of my freinds have had the county come to their house to inventory their tools and equipment so they can pay taxes on it. They already own the stuff, and have for years.

Alabama is going to be a good place to be from!

Sounds like they are taking lessons from NYS. :rolleyes:

[Granddaddy Marq]

So really you can't operate LEGALLY without insurance in the state. Didn't think so.



WTH is an "adverlurum" tax ??? :dunno:

A property tax, could be on jewlry, tools, tractors and equipment. They what to look in our tool sheds to inventory it. Check that there gramer for me if you wood.:shake:

[SC Cheesehead]

So really you can't operate LEGALLY without insurance in the state. Didn't think so.



WTH is an "adverlurum" tax ??? :dunno:

Advalorium.

I'm thinking he means like a wheel tax, etc. on personal property, based on value. We've got it in SC as well, but the net effect is a lower home owner's property tax, so I'm fine with it here (overal taxes are still way less than up in WI)

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/advaloremtax.asp#axzz1c53LgP4l


FWIW, Alabama ranks 38th for state and local taxes, per capita, right behind SC. NJ and NY are ranked #1 and #2, repectively.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/10/pf/taxes/state_tax_rates/index.htm

[Bluerauder]

A property tax, could be on jewlry, tools, tractors and equipment. They what to look in our tool sheds to inventory it. Check that there gramer for me if you wood.:shake:

Wow ... you learn something every day. In Virginia, we have a Real Estate tax and a Personal Property tax with the rates set by the county. We just call them real estate and personal property taxes. We don't tax earrings, necklaces and screwdrivers except in sales tax at the point of purchase. Businesses pay tax on computers and other types of equipment.

Here's the skinny on Ad Valorem .....

"What Does Ad Valorem Tax Mean?

A tax based on the assessed value of real estate or personal property. Ad valorem taxes can be property tax or even duty on imported items. Property ad valorem taxes are the major source of revenue for state and municipal governments.

Municipal property ad valorem taxes are also known as "property taxes". "

How the H3LL do they assess the value of a 15 year old riding lawn mower??

[SC Cheesehead]

Wow ... you learn something every day. In Virginia, we have a Real Estate tax and a Personal Property tax with the rates set by the county. We just call them real estate and personal property taxes. We don't tax earrings, necklaces and screwdrivers except in sales tax at the point of purchase. Businesses pay tax on computers and other types of equipment.

Here's the skinny on Ad Valorem .....

"What Does Ad Valorem Tax Mean?

A tax based on the assessed value of real estate or personal property. Ad valorem taxes can be property tax or even duty on imported items. Property ad valorem taxes are the major source of revenue for state and municipal governments.

Municipal property ad valorem taxes are also known as "property taxes". "

How the H3LL do they assess the value of a 15 year old riding lawn mower??

Over 9,000??? :dunno:

[Phrog_gunner]

So really you can't operate LEGALLY without insurance in the state. Didn't think so.

So I guess with the same logic, murder is legal, unless you get caught??? lol

[Phrog_gunner]

Over 9,000??? :dunno:

Only if it has a good enough alignment so that you can play the banjo while you mow.

[Haggis]

So I guess with the same logic, murder is legal, unless you get caught??? lol

Everything is legal until you get caught.

[Phrog_gunner]

Everything is legal until you get caught.


I never knew. :confused: So Casey and Joe's marriage IS legal?

[Haggis]

I never knew. :confused: So Casey and Joe's marriage IS legal?

Yep, especially since it took place in Chicago.

[BlkRauderMatt]

I'm not a police officer, and I have never thought negatively about the profession based on actions of one or two bad apples.. But on the "outside looking in," this statement right here:


as a leo i would never consider writing another leo (retired or not) one of the first things we were tought is to respect, and protect our own period!

It takes a real :censor:, to ticket a fellow leo!

just didn't set well with me. Maybe I'm not reading it in the right context, but that statement, and the following agreements by the other LEO's on this board, sounded like a feeling of "being above the law" was not too far off base...

Just my two cents... No disrespect intended. I just didn't feel that kind of attitude was right....

[Haggis]

as a leo i would never consider writing another leo (retired or not) one of the first things we were tought is to respect, and protect our own period!

It takes a real , to ticket a fellow leo!
Just do not drive through Virginia, just ask FreddieH.

[Granddaddy Marq]

I'm not a police officer, and I have never thought negatively about the profession based on actions of one or two bad apples.. But on the "outside looking in," this statement right here:



just didn't set well with me. Maybe I'm not reading it in the right context, but that statement, and the following agreements by the other LEO's on this board, sounded like a feeling of "being above the law" was not too far off base...

Just my two cents... No disrespect intended. I just didn't feel that kind of attitude was right....


Sounds to me like your reading it in the right context.

[Shaijack]

GA finally called me back only $209.00 for the ticket. I will be sending the money order Monday. A big thanks to everyone for helping me and giving advice.
As a retired LEO I have seen good and bad police, it is a personal choice they make.

[rayjay]

I'm not a police officer, and I have never thought negatively about the profession based on actions of one or two bad apples.. But on the "outside looking in," this statement right here:



just didn't set well with me. Maybe I'm not reading it in the right context, but that statement, and the following agreements by the other LEO's on this board, sounded like a feeling of "being above the law" was not too far off base...

Just my two cents... No disrespect intended. I just didn't feel that kind of attitude was right....

Just to clarify a little. Its called professional courtesy. Its a judgement call that the individual Member makes. In my career I had extended it to not just fellow Members, but also to doctors, firefighters, EMS, ect. I have also written/arrested those folks if it was necessary. Professional courtesy is not universally practiced and/or taught during training, at least not where I used to teach. If you drive like you should, you will never need it. I do not like getting pulled over anymore than the next person, its embarassing. There for I do not intentionally put myself in a position where I will get stopped, especially in states known not to care who you are. Some here may be aware that a convoy of MARKED police cars, headed north from assisting with the Katrina disaster were stopped and ticketed for speeding in a certain state that will remain anonymous. So much for professional courtesy...

[Shaijack]

In the 80's a small town in Jefferson Parish (just outside of New Orleans) ticketed a LEO's wife. It started a 10 year ticket war between the two towns.

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Just to clarify a little. Its called professional courtesy. Its a judgement call that the individual Member makes. In my career I had extended it to not just fellow Members, but also to doctors, firefighters, EMS, ect. I have also written/arrested those folks if it was necessary. Professional courtesy is not universally practiced and/or taught during training, at least not where I used to teach. If you drive like you should, you will never need it. I do not like getting pulled over anymore than the next person, its embarassing. There for I do not intentionally put myself in a position where I will get stopped, especially in states known not to care who you are. Some here may be aware that a convoy of MARKED police cars, headed north from assisting with the Katrina disaster were stopped and ticketed for speeding in a certain state that will remain anonymous. So much for professional courtesy...

I know what I'm about to post is going to tick someone off, but I can't just sit on the sidelines any more...

If those selected to serve as LEOs don't enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold on EVERYONE, then what's the point of having LEOs?

Just a little FYI...my brother was a LEO for 16 years in the town we grew up in; not once did I think since I had kin as an LEO that I was 'above the law' or deserved any type of professional courtesy. In fact, I was charged with 3rd degree trespassing one night during his shift (another officer wrote me up...that officer and my brother ended up becoming 'best buds').

I didn't ask my brother to 'help me out'...went to court, the charge was dropped since I had no previous record, paid my fine and home I went. This was back in the day when cruising was big in my town. I parked my car in front of a store that was closed for the night, just sitting on my hood with my music thumpin'. I did not see the sign they had posted, "No loitering 8pm-6am", and did not use the "I didn't see the sign" excuse to try and get out of it.

By no means am I saying I'm the greatest human being on Earth, it's just that some people think, for whatever reason, they don't have to follow the rules/laws like everyone else. I respect (most) LEOs, firefighters, etc. because they put their lives on the line a lot more than I do, even though I'm in the military. They have one of the most thankless, underpaid, over-scrutinized jobs out there. One thing to remember is, it's not the job that seems 'crooked', it takes people to make it that way.

Do I think it's okay for LEOs to provide 'professional courtesy'? No. Does it happen? Yes. Am I gonna get bent out of shape about it? No...I have more important things to worry about.

"A person is not stupid, people are"

[GAMike]

Professional courtesy is one of those things that is never going to change. It exists in your region...... It changes within your region depending on the people employed in the profession and how well they work together. What may be acceptable "Pr Co" in Metro ATL, may or may not be acceptable in NYC, Chi, LA ect...... We are never going to be able to lay such a blanket over this country. I wish folks would stop trying, and just embrace/accept the regional differences.:beer:


I know what I'm about to post is going to tick someone off, but I can't just sit on the sidelines any more...

If those selected to serve as LEOs don't enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold on EVERYONE, then what's the point of having LEOs?

Just a little FYI...my brother was a LEO for 16 years in the town we grew up in; not once did I think since I had kin as an LEO that I was 'above the law' or deserved any type of professional courtesy. In fact, I was charged with 3rd degree trespassing one night during his shift (another officer wrote me up...that officer and my brother ended up becoming 'best buds').

I didn't ask my brother to 'help me out'...went to court, the charge was dropped since I had no previous record, paid my fine and home I went. This was back in the day when cruising was big in my town. I parked my car in front of a store that was closed for the night, just sitting on my hood with my music thumpin'. I did not see the sign they had posted, "No loitering 8pm-6am", and did not use the "I didn't see the sign" excuse to try and get out of it.

By no means am I saying I'm the greatest human being on Earth, it's just that some people think, for whatever reason, they don't have to follow the rules/laws like everyone else. I respect (most) LEOs, firefighters, etc. because they put their lives on the line a lot more than I do, even though I'm in the military. They have one of the most thankless, underpaid, over-scrutinized jobs out there. One thing to remember is, it's not the job that seems 'crooked', it takes people to make it that way.

Do I think it's okay for LEOs to provide 'professional courtesy'? No. Does it happen? Yes. Am I gonna get bent out of shape about it? No...I have more important things to worry about.

"A person is not stupid, people are"