View Full Version : Why is my engine cranking, but no start?
MarcPro
10-28-2011, 10:05 AM
It's like the coil wire is off...just won't catch. I recently had the dash apart because the CABLE connected to the shifter and the tranny was somehow broken.
Now that that is replaced...I bring it home from my mechanic...and the thing won't stop. I have NO TAIL LIGHTS...but flashers work...brake lights too. Front headlights work..high beams....
I know there is an elec. problem somewhere...and it has been suggested to me that the switch at the brake could be shot...would that stop the car from starting?
I also know that I have gas. ( both kinds ).
me
You say you know you have gas, does that just mean that there is gas in the tank or you can hear the pump do it's ~2 sec prime when you first turn the key on?
fastblackmerc
10-28-2011, 10:27 AM
It's like the coil wire is off...just won't catch. I recently had the dash apart because the CABLE connected to the shifter and the tranny was somehow broken.
Now that that is replaced...I bring it home from my mechanic...and the thing won't stop. I have NO TAIL LIGHTS...but flashers work...brake lights too. Front headlights work..high beams....
I know there is an elec. problem somewhere...and it has been suggested to me that the switch at the brake could be shot...would that stop the car from starting?
I also know that I have gas. ( both kinds ).
me
Sounds like there is a pinched or cut wire somewhere.
The brake light switch only affects getting the car into gear.
Check the owners manual for the relays for the fuel pump, etc. Check that they are OK.
Is there gas in the tank?
Can you hear the fuel pump?
On the fuel rail there is a schrader valve, looks like a tire valve, turn on the key and press the valve in, keep a towel around it as gas may shoot out.
Go back over everything you and the mechanic did.
How did you get the car home?
Let us know what you find.
Phrog_gunner
10-28-2011, 10:31 AM
Since he made it home ok, maybe after you got it home the fuel cutoff switch in the trunk was accidentally tripped???
fastblackmerc
10-28-2011, 10:36 AM
Since he made it home ok, maybe after you got it home the fuel cutoff switch in the trunk was accidentally tripped???
Good one.... didn't think about that...
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 04:10 PM
whoa! fuel cut off switch??? I had no idea...thanks everyone..i'm going to check right now.
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 04:26 PM
nope. had no idea there was one..but the button was all the way down.
I had sprayed gas into the carb and it didn't catch...
No tail lights...no interior...went thru all the relay's and checked them w/ the horn relay...I bought one of those black relay's...and checked the blower..*( since my blower isn't working either..)..and the starter solenoid. didn't start..blower didn't blow..
U know what blows?
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 04:28 PM
oh yea..fast black merc...No..i don't hear the fuel pump..( or the usual noise when u turn the key)....
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 04:30 PM
oh..sorry EMAS..you've explained the noise which i thought was the fuel pump...
NOPE no noise.
fastblackmerc
10-31-2011, 04:46 PM
oh yea..fast black merc...No..i don't hear the fuel pump..( or the usual noise when u turn the key)....
Need to check why you don't hear the fuel pump.
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 05:30 PM
any idea where i can find the fuel pump? the fuse is ok....
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 05:31 PM
also take into consideration that i primed the carb w/ gas...didn't take....would that still be a fuel pump thing?
also take into consideration that i primed the carb w/ gas...didn't take....would that still be a fuel pump thing?
You primed the carb with gas? What year is your Marauder?
RF Overlord
10-31-2011, 05:37 PM
any idea where i can find the fuel pump? In the fuel tank.
also take into consideration that i primed the carb w/ gas...didn't take....would that still be a fuel pump thing?This car doesn't have a carb. Yes, it could still be the fuel pump. Could also be the CKP...crank position sensor. If the PCM doesn't detect a signal, it disables the COPS from firing.
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 05:43 PM
LOL..It's a '69 why? lol..i'm an ass..look..i pulled the air filter hose off...opened up the butterfly valve's and squirted gas in both ports....I guess i'm lucky I didn't blow up.
so, With all the electrical goin on...it's gotta be something like the CKP or PCM
Man i hope this fuel tank doesn't need to be taken off...been there before..
So I should be looking for an inline fuse to the CKP..or PCM then?
LOL..It's a '69 why? lol..i'm an ass..look..i pulled the air filter hose off...opened up the butterfly valve's and squirted gas in both ports....I guess i'm lucky I didn't blow up.
so, With all the electrical goin on...it's gotta be something like the CKP or PCM
Man i hope this fuel tank doesn't need to be taken off...been there before..
So I should be looking for an inline fuse to the CKP..or PCM then?
Because you can't pour gas in a 2003 or 2004 Marauders car-bo-rator. And you are not going to hear your fuel pump kick on on a 1960-anything.
Probably your battery. Not enough juice to kick it over. And you have no inline fuses.
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 06:23 PM
lol..u have something there CBT...I did have a dead battery...but I set it on a trickle charge overnight...and she cranked..but u could tell that it's gotten old and crusty.
the neg. terminal is all gunked up...( i cleaned the positive since i popped it off to pull fuses )
Still that elec. problem tho.
There are fuses for the computer, and fuel pump.
The computer is what turns the fuel pump on. When it gets the key on power signal to "wake up" it provides a ground for the fuel pump relay for about 2sec to "prime" the system. The computer then shuts off the fuel pump until is sees a signal from the crank position sensor.
Since you are experiencing other electrical problems that is where you should start. Get a test light and start checking for power on both sides of all the fuses. Looking at the on-line diagram at Autozone.com I'm showing that the fuse for the brake lights is also one of the fuses that supplies the PCM. So I'd start by checking fuse #19 under the dash. If it is bad try starting it w/o touching the brake pedal after you replace the fuse.
There are fuses for the computer, and fuel pump.
The computer is what turns the fuel pump on. When it gets the key on power signal to "wake up" it provides a ground for the fuel pump relay for about 2sec to "prime" the system. The computer then shuts off the fuel pump until is sees a signal from the crank position sensor.
Since you are experiencing other electrical problems that is where you should start. Get a test light and start checking for power on both sides of all the fuses. Looking at the on-line diagram at Autozone.com I'm showing that the fuse for the brake lights is also one of the fuses that supplies the PCM. So I'd start by checking fuse #19 under the dash. If it is bad try starting it w/o touching the brake pedal after you replace the fuse.
His doesn't have a computer, he said it's a 1969.....
His doesn't have a computer, he said it's a 1969.....
Re-read his post where he says it's a 69, as well as the fact that he says he found and checked the fuel pump inertia switch.
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 08:25 PM
lol....now that's funny!
That sounds real good EMAS. Yea...I'll get a light tomorrow. I've alway's wondered how to use those things.
Hey...I REALLY appreciate you guys...thanks so much.
Yo CBT...do u think it could be that gunked up neg. terminal? I"m going to clean all that up tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.
lol....now that's funny!
That sounds real good EMAS. Yea...I'll get a light tomorrow. I've alway's wondered how to use those things.
Hey...I REALLY appreciate you guys...thanks so much.
Yo CBT...do u think it could be that gunked up neg. terminal? I"m going to clean all that up tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.
Your car has two wires. One is red, one is black. Replace both.
Re-read his post where he says it's a 69, as well as the fact that he says he found and checked the fuel pump inertia switch.
If his 1969 Marauder has 19 fuses and an LCM, I'll kiss your ass, how 'bout that.
u have something there CBT... she cranked..but u could tell that it's gotten old and crusty.
That's what she said!!! :eek:
MarcPro
10-31-2011, 08:52 PM
Hey..did i miss something? I was kidding about the '69
I was kidding about the '69
That's what she said. :( :depress: :alone:
If his 1969 Marauder has 19 fuses and an LCM, I'll kiss your ass, how 'bout that.
Pucker up Sailor. :eek:
Hey..did i miss something? I was kidding about the '69
Gaaaahhh.......now we have to start over, lol.
Pucker up Sailor. :eek:
Zoiks! That was close, but he said it's not actually a 1969 :D
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 09:28 AM
wait till i start asking questions about my Edsol....for some reason it won't start.
wait till i start asking questions about my Edsol....for some reason it won't start.
This is the Susuki Sidekick and all things Yugo website forum, I'm going to have to ask you to leave the internetz immediatley.
Phrog_gunner
11-01-2011, 09:43 AM
This will help you trouble shoot the fuel pump and FPDM. Maybe the mods would be kind enough to sticky it for us.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56597&highlight=fpdm
(http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56597&highlight=fpdm)
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 10:05 AM
LOL! Sorry about that...I just called my Internet Provider to disconnect my account.
I banged a girl in a Yugo once...then a farmer on his John Deere came around the corner in the dirt road...5am....not much room in one of those things, I'll tell ya that!
Thanks for the link Phrog gunner! I"m on it...either I blow this car to simithereens tonight or it's fixed....or visa versa...
Don't kill your car, you have the two main things I like in a man. A Marauder and a sense of humor. Hmmm..possibly 3 things. Aaaaaaaaanyway, we can fix it, man! Does anyone on this site live near you that can help?
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 10:18 AM
Yea...plenty...I even have a shop i can use, but i'm real close on this...and my son is learning this as well.....I spent many a time by the side of the road thru-out my years to not learn how to fix a car....he better learn too. ( although he's gonna be a doctor). So that's why i'm all about my driveway and the car will be appreciated a lot more when we fix it. Good thing this isn't my plane....Your all welcome to come for a flight someday.....don't mind the box of bolts and **** in the back.
Yea...plenty...I even have a shop i can use, but i'm real close on this...and my son is learning this as well.....I spent many a time by the side of the road thru-out my years to not learn how to fix a car....he better learn too. ( although he's gonna be a doctor). So that's why i'm all about my driveway and the car will be appreciated a lot more when we fix it. Good thing this isn't my plane....Your all welcome to come for a flight someday.....don't mind the box of bolts and **** in the back.
I try not to fly. There are more airplanes in the ocean than ships in the sky, just sayin'.
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 10:28 AM
Yo Phrog gunner...thanks for that link man! That's what I"m talking about. Like the way we stick together and go above and beyond.
I'm gonna take a pic of my trunk....after looking at some of the pics on the website...I'm convinced I am a hoarder. So w/ all that junk in there...i may have hurt that relay. Baseball bat bags, fishing poles, luggage,flat tires, cement bags, corpses,
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 01:19 PM
oh boy..this is gonna hurt:
I swapped the 20 amp fuse from the fuel pump to check my moonroof since it is blinking..
Forgot to put it back...runs great!
Now the other elec. problems: No tail lights...and no interior lights..( the backseat overhead's work ). No fog lamps...( I actually only have 1 since I hit something in the road w/ the drivers side..so there's just the harness wire tucked in the bumper...it's been like that for years....no problem.
Do you guy's know of any inline fuses under the steering wheel dash for the climate control blower, and interior lights?
Sorry about the lunkheadedness...I should probably be demoted back to junior member. ( thanks by the way..i'm honored ).
So in a nutshell:
No blower
no tail lights
no interior except backseat
no little light by the e brake
no fog lights
all fuses 'look' ok..i'm going to test their poles now w/ tester.
Phrog_gunner
11-01-2011, 01:29 PM
So what was the prob with the fuel pump? You might look at the relays since several things are on a relay and you have several things out.
What kind of plane do you have? I'll take a couple laps in the pattern with ya.
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 01:40 PM
ah..i'm just kiddin Phrog gunner....I used to fly gliders...hoping to get something one day...but u would fly w/ a mechanic like me? That's gutsy! I do fly Aces High..WWII flight sim...highly recommend it.
No prob. w/ the pump....I forgot to put fuse back when I used it to check the MoonRoof
I opened up the dash under the steering wheel and fiddled w/ the wires...got my blower back.
AND...I DO have interior lights up top by the moonroof....but I have to hit the switches up there to get them on. The light switch on the dash (left),won't turn them on.
Sholuld I change out the tail lights for ***** and giggles?
Hey Phrog gunner.....I do have a nice sailboat docked here in the hamptons you guys are welcome to sail...
So what was the prob with the fuel pump? You might look at the relays since several things are on a relay and you have several things out.
What kind of plane do you have? I'll take a couple laps in the pattern with ya.
Bomp-chicka-wa-waaaa.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18 834&d=1266693532 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18 834&d=1266693532)
MOTOWN
11-01-2011, 01:44 PM
Wow life with kirmie after prison!
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 01:46 PM
Gad Zooks!
Phrog_gunner
11-01-2011, 01:51 PM
ah..i'm just kiddin Phrog gunner....I used to fly gliders...hoping to get something one day...but u would fly w/ a mechanic like me? That's gutsy! I do fly Aces High..WWII flight sim...highly recommend it.
No prob. w/ the pump....I forgot to put fuse back when I used it to check the MoonRoof
I opened up the dash under the steering wheel and fiddled w/ the wires...got my blower back.
AND...I DO have interior lights up top by the moonroof....but I have to hit the switches up there to get them on. The light switch on the dash (left),won't turn them on.
Sholuld I change out the tail lights for ***** and giggles?
Hey Phrog gunner.....I do have a nice sailboat docked here in the hamptons you guys are welcome to sail...
Well unless you are a certificated airplane mech you wouldn't be messing with it anyway. ;) Case and I have been looking for a boat to shoot our new music video on.
As far as the interior lights, I would try playing DJ with the rheostat knob. Just move it back and forth a bunch. Usually that doesn't get moved around a lot so it might need some buildup knocked off of it.
Phrog_gunner
11-01-2011, 01:55 PM
Ms Piggy has a huge fist...
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 03:49 PM
Forgot to mention that:
A: Ms Piggy has a huge fist and,
B:My engine light is on.
Forgot to mention that:
A: Ms Piggy has a huge fist and,
B:My engine light is on.
Brother, you have to get more specific, lol. Check engine light, or the engine light that's under your hood? You may be throwing a code if it is your check engine light. You have a scan gauge?
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 04:15 PM
Neg. The Check engine idiot light. That light under the hood wasn't working...but something got worked out after I charged battery...and it now works.
Def throwing code here....no scanner...but I'll buy one if needed.
Neg. The Check engine idiot light. That light under the hood wasn't working...but something got worked out after I charged battery...and it now works.
Def throwing code here....no scanner...but I'll buy one if needed.
Hmmm.....in this day of modern technology, it might be best to get it checked. I'm going to state the obvious and say cars are not alive, but that light is the car trying to tell you something. So it will not start and run, period? All cranky, no starty?
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 04:32 PM
no....I got it started no problem when I put the fuel pump fuse in today. I forgot to put it back after testing moonroof. This is in the fuse box under the hood.
now there's no tail lights, engine idiot light, no fog lights...( drivers side foglight is out due to hitting something on the road a few years back. Now there's just wire tucked in my bumper for that light.)
IIIIIII LOVE NEW YORK! Come on..sing it w/ me!
nh muscle
11-01-2011, 04:54 PM
Could be lime but not a lemon yet. Try pouring gas on the engine and light it. Where it stops burning is where the problem lies.
no....I got it started no problem when I put the fuel pump fuse in today. I forgot to put it back after testing moonroof. This is in the fuse box under the hood.
now there's no tail lights, engine idiot light, no fog lights...( drivers side foglight is out due to hitting something on the road a few years back. Now there's just wire tucked in my bumper for that light.)
IIIIIII LOVE NEW YORK! Come on..sing it w/ me!
I don't know the symptoms of the LCM going bad, but the L stands for Lighting, perhaps fastblackmerc could help diagnose.
MarcPro
11-01-2011, 07:40 PM
Fastblackmerc built a new one for me..worked great
fastblackmerc
11-02-2011, 02:37 AM
Fastblackmerc built a new one for me..worked great
Where are you located?
MarcPro
11-02-2011, 01:10 PM
NY...( Long Island )...hey..u don't think it's the LCM do ya? I"m bringin this thing back to my mechanic so he can check the code....
Fastblack....w/ one of the fog lamps smashed out w/ the wire ( harness ) tucked into the inside of the bumper....do u think that could have shorted ? there was no bare wire.
fastblackmerc
11-02-2011, 01:24 PM
NY...( Long Island )...hey..u don't think it's the LCM do ya? I"m bringin this thing back to my mechanic so he can check the code....
Fastblack....w/ one of the fog lamps smashed out w/ the wire ( harness ) tucked into the inside of the bumper....do u think that could have shorted ? there was no bare wire.
The LCM won't prevent the car from starting.
If the foglight wiring shorted out it would blow the fuse. The foglight fuse doesn't have anything to do with the engine.
Blackened300a
11-02-2011, 02:25 PM
NY...( Long Island )...hey..u don't think it's the LCM do ya? I"m bringin this thing back to my mechanic so he can check the code....
Fastblack....w/ one of the fog lamps smashed out w/ the wire ( harness ) tucked into the inside of the bumper....do u think that could have shorted ? there was no bare wire.
Where on LI are you? I have a scanner, a lift , and free time if you need a hand figuring this out. Its sounding like bad connections or a chaffed wire somewhere causing havoc. I just fixed a co-workers mini-van that would run rough, threw 7 codes and the transmission would kick out of gear every once and while. The problem was a separate ground wire that went from the relay module to the battery. I cleaned the contacts and it ran great.
Didn't Charlie (DEFYANT) have a issue like this and it was the harness that run along the drivers side sun visor?
MarcPro
11-02-2011, 05:05 PM
I"m in Mattituck..where are u? That would be way too cool. I see the Verazanno ova there...i'm in Bklyn all the time. Park Slope
MarcPro
11-02-2011, 05:08 PM
sorry...i meant to say: I saw a picture of your car and The Verazanno Bridge, so I'm pondering if you are from Brooklyn, but my street talk get's in the way.
Blackened300a
11-03-2011, 05:03 AM
sorry...i meant to say: I saw a picture of your car and The Verazanno Bridge, so I'm pondering if you are from Brooklyn, but my street talk get's in the way.
You got your bridges mixed up, thats the Whitestone bridge. I have no pics of my car next to the guinea gangplank. :lol:
Im from Bayside and my shop is in Astoria.
MarcPro
11-03-2011, 01:22 PM
yeesh...you'd think i'd get that right being Greek...I'm all over Astoria. At a glance it looked like you were also at the parking lot off of the belt by the gangplank. I'd love to swing by someday bro! I"m dropping off Marauder tonight to my mechanic...I think he inhales too much carbon monoxide.........for real! I might be heading in this weekend sometime...i'll let ya know?
Blackened300a
11-03-2011, 01:48 PM
yeesh...you'd think i'd get that right being Greek...I'm all over Astoria. At a glance it looked like you were also at the parking lot off of the belt by the gangplank. I'd love to swing by someday bro! I"m dropping off Marauder tonight to my mechanic...I think he inhales too much carbon monoxide.........for real! I might be heading in this weekend sometime...i'll let ya know?
Sure, Ill be around. Hope your guy figures it out, if not I have a great guy in Astoria that will take care of you.
MarcPro
11-03-2011, 05:06 PM
I thought u had ur own shop
Blackened300a
11-03-2011, 06:08 PM
I thought u had ur own shop
Its my truck shop with a lift and tools. If the problem is not found by us, I have a guy who can figure it out.
MarcPro
11-04-2011, 11:35 AM
How cool is that...are u going to be around on Sat.? I may have to go into Manhattan....
I really would rather not...but might have to.
SAAAAAC
11-04-2011, 11:57 AM
this is the funniest thread i have ever read on this site
Blackened300a
11-04-2011, 12:05 PM
How cool is that...are u going to be around on Sat.? I may have to go into Manhattan....
I really would rather not...but might have to.
Actually I will, I'll be detailing the Marauder and going through the car before I store it for the winter.
PM or email me, Xhaustedls@aol.com
SID210SA
11-04-2011, 12:34 PM
Wasnt there a wire in the visor that would cause all kinds of havoc?? I thought I read that some where, sometime back. Dont know if that will help or not.
MarcPro
11-07-2011, 02:32 PM
Mechanic said it might be the LCM. Gonna take at least 2 hrs. to diagnose this.
Mechanic said it might be the LCM. Gonna take at least 2 hrs. to diagnose this.
Meh? I thought Paul and you were going to tinker on it? Either way I hope you fix it. I'm tired of reading stories of it not working, post some Maraudering stuff, lol. :D
MarcPro
11-07-2011, 04:21 PM
I hear ya....I gotta get a pic up...that oughta get a laugh. Yea....I thought i'd let my guy take a look at it since he has to re-inspect it anyway....
I have so many issues w/ the car.....all due to NYC and 150+K miles on it...I'll be meeting Paul soon@!
Blackened300a
11-09-2011, 06:31 AM
Hey Marc, Any luck with the LCM check? Im thinking ground problems or even a bad battery will cause havoc.
MarcPro
11-11-2011, 06:54 PM
Hey guy's...mechanic said it was the LCM to the GCM connection... It was loose...it's all tightened up electrically now.
MarcPro
12-24-2011, 12:35 AM
Hey u guy's...merry christmas! Thanks for all your input. ( still have elec. Problems tho...)
keep on rockin!
M
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