Spray it...for now

[mgmsleeper]

after thinking and thinking SC or NO2 over and over again i think im going to spray for now. I spent my whole morning laughing at the old nitrous "bye bye" moments from the ones who were/are spraying and the SC guys. I would love to SC but right now I have bigger plans and with holidays coming etc... i'd rather wait till tax time so i can do it with no problem and possibly with a built motor

WITH THAT BEING SAID I just hit 131k on the clock. I DD my MM its a road car as well. I have a JLT CAI (want to go JLT), Z tune, J-Mod coming soon hopefully, MAYBE 4.10s. Car dynoed at 267 as is with a different tune

so what are my options now? how big of a shot? what brand is proven?
anyone have a kit for a reasonable price?

[guspech750]

I'd say don't waste your $$$ on NOS if you plan on a S/C in the future. Save for the holidays, tax time etc.

I would think NOS might be harder on a motor with 130k+ miles on it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Be patient and just save for a S/C. That way you have the power on demand at all times!!


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[mgmsleeper]

I'd say don't waste your $$$ on NOS if you plan on a S/C in the future. Save for the holidays, tax time etc.

I would think NOS might be harder on a motor with 130k+ miles on it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Be patient and just save for a S/C. That way you have the power on demand at all times!!


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i wont have to save for it then i have the money now but i have a family i support and im making a selfless choice right now which is the best choice. I WILL SC come the new year tho. anyway if its harder on the motor then i wont do it.

[MOTOWN]

Nitrous eats motors, especially the ones with weak cast pistons, I would stay away from that stuff

[ctrlraven]

I'd be cautious with spraying a motor with that many miles on it. Better off doing 4.10 gears, Jmod and adding a 3000 stall converter.

[LANDY]

Spray is good as long as the engine is in good shape. I wouldn't go more than 100 shot

[mgmsleeper]

Nitrous eats motors, especially the ones with weak cast pistons, I would stay away from that stuff


I'd be cautious with spraying a motor with that many miles on it. Better off doing 4.10 gears, Jmod and adding a 3000 stall converter.

i plan on doing 4.10s, JMod when landy is ready ...i wouldnt mind a stall if i can get one for a decent price.


Spray is good as long as the engine is in good shape. I wouldn't go more than 100 shot


so many mixed feelings on it has me :confused: ...i called DR he said its ok. im :confused:

[ctrlraven]

What is the reason for the nitrous? It's not a long term solution as a power adder and I would only hope you would be using it at the track. You would need a mighty large shot (more than your engine can handle) to get that "bye-bye" effect.

[Phrog_gunner]

What is the reason for the nitrous? It's not a long term solution as a power adder and I would only hope you would be using it at the track. You would need a mighty large shot (more than your engine can handle) to get that "bye-bye" effect.

Not meaning to hijack, but did you wind up replacing your valve stem seals?

[mgmsleeper]

What is the reason for the nitrous? It's not a long term solution as a power adder and I would only hope you would be using it at the track. You would need a mighty large shot (more than your engine can handle) to get that "bye-bye" effect.

honestly SC'd, Nitrous, NA ....my car probably wont ever see the track. I dont all out race it. its a DD and may play light to light or on a back street, open her up on the highway but nothing serious. there is no REASON for it just a fun additive 100 shot max

[loud2004marquis]

I'd say don't waste your $$$ on NOS if you plan on a S/C in the future. Save for the holidays, tax time etc.

I would think NOS might be harder on a motor with 130k+ miles on it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Be patient and just save for a S/C. That way you have the power on demand at all times!!



I've been in the same boat as you about the NOS vs. SC...I personally have ended up taking the quoted advise.

When you do it, what kind of SC are you planning on going with?

[mgmsleeper]

I've been in the same boat as you about the NOS vs. SC...I personally have ended up taking the quoted advise.

When you do it, what kind of SC are you planning on going with?


I love the Centrifugal blower but it'll most likely be Eaton swap due to the fact it'll only be play here and there use; no track.

[71cyclone]

Back in WW2 the Germans used NOS on their fighter planes [BMW powered ]
for that extra kick. ,Cheap H/P, Now today BMW has no connection with aircraft engines ? [wonder why ] they to found out it can shorten the lift expectancy of engines. Roll Royce still builds Aircraft Engines even though they sold the car division name to BMW and Bently to VW AG .

[Blown3.8]

Put Nitrous on it with a window switch 100 shot. I like the ZEX wet kit. Its easy to install, set up. Set the window at 3000 to come on and off 500 before your rev limiter. And adjust your timing accordingly.

[mgmsleeper]

Put Nitrous on it with a window switch 100 shot. I like the ZEX wet kit. Its easy to install, set up. Set the window at 3000 to come on and off 500 before your rev limiter. And adjust your timing accordingly.


do you currently run spray?

[ctrlraven]

Not meaning to hijack, but did you wind up replacing your valve stem seals?

No, haven't even done the leak down test yet. I'm waiting to borrow a friends larger air compressor. I have a little pancake one that won't cut it.

[babbage]

How long does a shot even last? About 60 seconds? Less?


like to see a vid with an MM hit it.

[Blown3.8]

do you currently run spray?

Not currently. Was running 18psi from a trilogy with 250 shot of nitrous on a cobra short block. This is Sherms car.

Right now the car has a 2.3 whipple at 21psi and the fuel pumps are maxed out so no go on the juice right now.

I also recommend a fuel pump upgrade for the N2O or a boost a pump.

[mgmsleeper]

how long does a shot even last? About 60 seconds? Less?


Like to see a vid with an mm hit it.


...........+1

[whitey]

blown 3.8 seems to know his stuff! i talked to him at mv9's car show, and when/hopefully get money(just waiting on the verdict) im looking to spray my car and have him/his shop do the work. i have 119,000 on mine, and from what i hear a zex wet kit is the way to go. he told me to also to get a fuel pump upgrade.

i would like to jump in on this post....i was going to write almost the same post except im not going to get a supercharger....my vehicle is my DD also, iv'e been told the cast pistons will burn up/hole through them and to get forged pistons. my question is....what should i do to make my car completely reliable if i get nitrous? my car drives very smooth, and the only issues iv'e had was at ~97,000 i replaced the COP's, and at 107,000 i had to have the tranny repaired which at that time i had my mechanic do the j-mod. i have an sct xcal2 so tuning shouldn't be an issue. everything else is stock, what parts should i get to go with the nitrous?

[jstevens]

Look at my signature. Was my daily driver with a 80-100 shot.

Was alot of fun in rush hour.

[Shaijack]

I have a ZEX wet system (20 pound bottle), on the Blue and have never used it. Looks good in the engine bay. Maybe I should pipe it to the driver, would make me feel like I am going faster.

[whitey]

I have a ZEX wet system (20 pound bottle), on the Blue and have never used it. Looks good in the engine bay. Maybe I should pipe it to the driver, would make me feel like I am going faster.
i've thought of piping a vacuum hose underneath the steering wheel to make me feel good....about keeping my motor running:lol:

[mgmsleeper]

blown 3.8 seems to know his stuff! i talked to him at mv9's car show, and when/hopefully get money(just waiting on the verdict) im looking to spray my car and have him/his shop do the work. i have 119,000 on mine, and from what i hear a zex wet kit is the way to go. he told me to also to get a fuel pump upgrade.

i would like to jump in on this post....i was going to write almost the same post except im not going to get a supercharger....my vehicle is my DD also, iv'e been told the cast pistons will burn up/hole through them and to get forged pistons. my question is....what should i do to make my car completely reliable if i get nitrous? my car drives very smooth, and the only issues iv'e had was at ~97,000 i replaced the COP's, and at 107,000 i had to have the tranny repaired which at that time i had my mechanic do the j-mod. i have an sct xcal2 so tuning shouldn't be an issue. everything else is stock, what parts should i get to go with the nitrous?

+1 I'VE LOOKED THROUGH HIS POSTS
BUT I DO SEE PEOPLE SPRAYING ON STOCK CAST PISTONS. UNLESS YOU'RE/I'M SPRAYING EVERYDAY A FEW TIMES A DAY I DONT SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T HOLD UP :confused: I DON'T BEAT MY CAR TO DEFF


Look at my signature. Was my daily driver with a 80-100 shot.

Was alot of fun in rush hour.

ANY OTHER MODS BESIDES BLOWER AND SPRAY?
IM SURE LIGHT TO LIGHT YOU WERE :burnout:


Not currently. Was running 18psi from a trilogy with 250 shot of nitrous on a cobra short block. This is Sherms car.

Right now the car has a 2.3 whipple at 21psi and the fuel pumps are maxed out so no go on the juice right now.

I also recommend a fuel pump upgrade for the N2O or a boost a pump.

:eek: SOUNDS FUN. THANKS ON THE FUEL PUMP UPGRADE TIP :beer:


I have a ZEX wet system (20 pound bottle), on the Blue and have never used it. Looks good in the engine bay. Maybe I should pipe it to the driver, would make me feel like I am going faster.

FULL SETUP AND NOT CONNECTED?



I READ A LOT ABOUT ZEX WET KITS FOR ALL CARS AND HAVE GOOD REVIEWS.
I WONDER WHY DR RECOMMENDED A NOS BRAND KIT UNLESS THAT IS ZEX OF SOME SORT :confused: ...NOW I SEE I AM NOT ALONE IN THE "WANT TO SPRAY BUT UNEDUCATED AND PRECAUTIONARY MOVES ABOUT IT" KEEP THE GOOD INFO COMING FOR US WHO CAN BENEFIT FROM YOU ALL HELPFUL POSTS

[71cyclone]

Blown 3.8's Expertice has been proven , Quote [ I make Bling Happen ]

' Seeing was believing '

[John Nero]

i have had just nos on the car and still do on the current setup - it is for track use only - i would not run it on a car with a boat load of miles - you must have a tune for nos - Zex wet kit is what i run
if you want to see the setup come to the tower shos one night

[mgmsleeper]

i have had just nos on the car and still do on the current setup - it is for track use only - i would not run it on a car with a boat load of miles - you must have a tune for nos - Zex wet kit is what i run
if you want to see the setup come to the tower shos one night

So 131k is too many? And I will stop there when I'm back in town

[99SVT]

I wouldn't worry about the high mileage, a few friends of mine have been spraying cars with over 200k on the clock.

However, I also wouldn't use nitrous unless it was for track use only. It's too unreliable for daily street use as the bottle always seems to be empty when you least expect it, or the bottle pressure isn't high enough to make good use of it. You also don't want to lift and get back into it if you lose traction, as you could easily hit the rev limiter or have a lean condition that could potentially blow up the motor; something more likely to happen on the street than a prepped track with sticky tires.

Just save up for a supercharger, the extra power will always be there without the payment plan of refilling the bottle.

[SC Cheesehead]

I wouldn't worry about the high mileage, a few friends of mine have been spraying cars with over 200k on the clock.

However, I also wouldn't use nitrous unless it was for track use only. It's too unreliable for daily street use as the bottle always seems to be empty when you least expect it, or the bottle pressure isn't high enough to make good use of it. You also don't want to lift and get back into it if you lose traction, as you could easily hit the rev limiter or have a lean condition that could potentially blow up the motor; something more likely to happen on the street than a prepped track with sticky tires.

Just save up for a supercharger, the extra power will always be there without the payment plan of refilling the bottle.

^^^^^^ What he said. ^^^^^^^

[whitey]

the problem with a supercharger is MPG for me, im driving 45 miles one way each day to work, and i'd like to keep the 21 mpg(at best) that i get. im starting to stray away from a nos set up just because im being told its not a good idea to do to a car i need everyday for work.

[LANDY]

the problem with a supercharger is MPG for me, im driving 45 miles one way each day to work, and i'd like to keep the 21 mpg(at best) that i get. im starting to stray away from a nos set up just because im being told its not a good idea to do to a car i need everyday for work. on normal driving conditions the difference in MPG between n/a and F/I is insignificant as long as the car us properly tuned.

[whitey]

on normal driving conditions the difference in MPG between n/a and F/I is insignificant as long as the car us properly tuned.
the problem is that with a supercharger, who is actually going to baby it for 90 miles a day? just like a loud exaust....you punch the pedal just to hear it:D

[mgmsleeper]

the problem is that with a supercharger, who is actually going to baby it for 90 miles a day? Just like a loud exaust....you punch the pedal just to hear it:d

fact!!!!!!

[SC Cheesehead]

the problem is that with a supercharger, who is actually going to baby it for 90 miles a day? just like a loud exaust....you punch the pedal just to hear it:D

Can't argue that, but mileage didn't change much on my car after the Eaton swap, provided I keep my foot out of it....;)

[justbob]

the problem with a supercharger is MPG for me, im driving 45 miles one way each day to work, and i'd like to keep the 21 mpg(at best) that i get. im starting to stray away from a nos set up just because im being told its not a good idea to do to a car i need everyday for work.
I went from 21 1/2 stock to 22 1/2 with the Trilogy kit. Something even more weird, I picked up 23 1/2 after my aggressive tune! Go figure.

It takes a lot less fuel to get up to speed.


This was posted live, in real time.

[guspech750]

I went from 21 1/2 stock to 22 1/2 with the Trilogy kit. Something even more weird, I picked up 23 1/2 after my aggressive tune! Go figure.

It takes a lot less fuel to get up to speed.


This was posted live, in real time.

You just have a wimpy foot!!:)


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[99SVT]

You just don't have to be into the throttle as long to get up to highway speed. When the 0-60 time drops from the 7sec to 4sec range you end up keeping your foot out of it for 3sec less every time you have to stop at a light. :burnout:

Every major mod takes a small hit on the fuel mileage, it's when you have them all that it adds up. I'm getting 14-19mpg now with: Trilogy, 4.10's, Headers, 9.5" 2800stall convertor, built trans, CAI, 8.5:1 compression forged motor. The convertor and compression drop seemed to have the biggest effect on mileage, with the blower at a close 3rd.

[Vortech347]

Nitrous is great stuff.

I've blown up way more things over the years with forced induction than I did with nitrous. Its all about supporting hardware. Making sure you have the proper things. I had it on numerous vehicles and done install/tuning for quite a few. Its easy stuff.

Make sure you listen to the people that have actually ran nitrous and won races. Not the ones that have watched fast and the furious and call it NAWS.

[mgmsleeper]

Nitrous is great stuff.

I've blown up way more things over the years with forced induction than I did with nitrous. Its all about supporting hardware. Making sure you have the proper things. I had it on numerous vehicles and done install/tuning for quite a few. Its easy stuff.

Make sure you listen to the people that have actually ran nitrous and won races. Not the ones that have watched fast and the furious and call it NAWS.

Lol I was going to use it for street & highway play. (on safe roads of course)

[mgmsleeper]

I'm building my eaton parts list now though. Either way SC or Nitrous I have high miles. Any adder is going to stress it.

[Vortech347]

Any adder is going to stress it.

Exactly.

blah blah blah blah blah 10 word limit.

[guspech750]

I'm building my eaton parts list now though. Either way SC or Nitrous I have high miles. Any adder is going to stress it.

Sure any power adder will stress it. But if and/or the time comes to replace the motor. At least you will already have a supercharger system ready to move onto the new motor.
:burnout:


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[mgmsleeper]

Sure any power adder will stress it. But if and/or the time comes to replace the motor. At least you will already have a supercharger system ready to move onto the new motor.
:burnout:


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You're right about that. Im thinking of waiting to get a rebuild or a cobra short/long block and build with the SC but I WILL HAVE MY SC ready to go

[mgmsleeper]

With my luck I'll hold off on SCing my current motor "till it goes" and it lasts 300k+ miles ....but if I SC it, it last 40k more

[ctrlraven]

You're right about that. Im thinking of waiting to get a rebuild or a cobra short/long block and build with the SC but I WILL HAVE MY SC ready to go
Smart idea!

[burtreynolds]

Personal experience I ran a 125 shot wet (100 to wheels) on an nx kit with a wot switch and that's it. I ran 3 degrees regard on z tune on pump gas and full timing on race gas. The motor still has good leak down and compression, trans is fine, ect. Never broke a thing and I was running 555r drag radials. I could keep up with and beat mid 12 second cars on "closed" streets from a roll, but at the strip I suffered. I think it was the combo of stock gear/converter. I ran 150 shot one night with full tank race gas and did 12.54 but my trans did not act like it liked it. The thing about nitrous in the lower shot range(125 and lower) is the damage does not come instantly in most cases(assuming proper operation). It comes
After time with noticeably less power and more blowby, slipping trans, loss of trac-loc and rear end bushing failures...but it is fun as can be! Look up marauder vs 06 gto on YouTube if you would like to see what a basically stock marauder on 125 shot does...on a closed course, of course.

[bugsyc]

I went through similar scenario.I got a great buy on a ZEX kit.bottle warmer,window switch,nozzles for 25-150 shot.everything you'd need to get up and spraying...Then I had 2nd thoughts and sold the kit for what I paid (the kid that bought it couldn't believe the deal he got and flew out of my garage) Now I'm like 3/4 of the way to an eaton swap.Decided to go S/C route instead...After the Eaton is in and blowing,maybe I'll add nitrous to it??? Not to good with making decisions...For anyone wondering,I paid $300 for that whole no2 kit..Bought it from a guy on another site...Just thought I'd add my .02.....bugsy...and HAPPY NEW YEARS to all my fellow MMers..