+5 psi anyone?

[bigmerc281]

http://www.performancechiptuning.com/Electric+Supercharger+5+PSI+Vo rtex/10/


What do you think of this.

[SC Cheesehead]

http://www.performancechiptuning.com/Electric+Supercharger+5+PSI+Vo rtex/10/


What do you think of this.

Ummmm,

http://us4palin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/stock-photo-this-is-a-shot-of-the-brooklyn-bridge-that-speaks-for-itself-638105.jpg

[fastblackmerc]

What happens when you run out of extension cord?

[SC Cheesehead]

What happens when you run out of extension cord?

'Zakly....
-------------------

[Jolly Roger]

Funny,
the first paragraph of the description states that it is Not what it exactly IS.
:lol:

[Blackened300a]

Ummmm,

http://us4palin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/stock-photo-this-is-a-shot-of-the-brooklyn-bridge-that-speaks-for-itself-638105.jpg

Hey!! Go sell your own Landmarks!!!!!

This is nothing more then a giant restriction in your intake.

[DOOM]

What happens when you run out of extension cord?

All you need is 1,320 feet of it! :D

[Captain Dynball]

Wow, that's special.

[kmastl]

I like their "Electric supercharger air tests" It show the fan blow over a 2x4 and push a roll of tape on a flat surface. WTF

Almost as cool as this \/
5xE3m5PHCIE

[SC Cheesehead]

Hey!! Go sell your own Landmarks!!!!!

This is nothing more then a giant restriction in your intake.

You mean it really IS for sale? :eek:

How much you askin' for it?

[MOTOWN]

looks like its good for a 10 sec pass.....not!!!!!!!!! lmao

[Vostok]

Have any of the haters above ever tried a product like this? I wouldn't expect any major gains but even if it gave a fraction of what they are claiming, say...20-25HP...I think thats about $200 worth of HP. Plenty of the guys here shovel out way more $$$ for less gains.

You get what you pay for..

[MOTOWN]

Have any of the haters above ever tried a product like this? I wouldn't expect any major gains but even if it gave a fraction of what they are claiming, say...20-25HP...I think thats about $200 worth of HP. Plenty of the guys here shovel out way more $$$ for less gains.

You get what you pay for..

Seriously bud if you think this thing will give you 20-25 hp you must be the king of loly pop mods!:lol:

[ctrlraven]

Have any of the haters above ever tried a product like this? I wouldn't expect any gains but even if it gave a fraction of what they are claiming, say...20-25HP...I think thats about $200 worth of HP. Plenty of the guys here shovel out way more $$$ for less gains.

You get what you pay for..

Fixed it for you.

[SC Cheesehead]

Have any of the haters above ever tried a product like this? I wouldn't expect any major gains but even if it gave a fraction of what they are claiming, say...20-25HP...I think thats about $200 worth of HP. Plenty of the guys here shovel out way more $$$ for less gains.

You get what you pay for..


These cars have been around for nine years now, and some really serious gearheads have tried every trick in the book to extract more power (be it NA or FI) from the motors. Don't you think that if there was anything to the electric SC that at least a couple guys would be running them? ;)

I'm thinking 2-3 HP gain might be a more reasonable estimate... :D

[MOTOWN]

Im thinking broken fan blade parts in your intake tract, and a whole helluva lot o cussin!

[Phrog_gunner]

I have never "tried" letting someone hit me in the head with a sledge hammer, but yet I can still somehow predict it would hurt. :confused:

[Odinson]

LOL at the leaf blower. Bwaaa ha ha ha.

Ya know it could work. On 100 CC 2 stroke. Fans that size top out at 240 CFM at 5200 RPM. This claims 20k RPM. I wouldn't expect it to last very long even if it moves 240 at those RPMs, which I doubt. Your much larger radiator fan is probably more like 1000-1500 CFM, BTW.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213 001

BTW what is the CFM at idle and WOT on a the MM 4.6? Where would I go to find that out? Or is everything in PSI?

[Odinson]

Actually the vacuum on the stock marauder might pull so much air in that the fan spins at some some absurd RPM and the electric motor runs way over voltage and catches fire!

:flamer:

[justbob]

I bet it would make my Escort even FASTER!

This was posted live, in real time.

[bigmerc281]

maybe I should leave this for the jdm powered guys . Thanks for the input guys

[Vostok]

That's why I asked....I troll this forum a lot and I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone actually using one of these. Yes, personally i'd rather take that $200 and put it toward an Eaton fund but I was just curious if anyone has real information other than what they hear through the grapevine...

I wouldn't have made this comment if someone actually came forward and was like "I tried one of these before, it sucked major ass and then I returned it and got my money back".

I prefer to see factual accounts like dyno results or at least someone that has had first hand experience rather than the endless amounts of hearsay that has been generated.

[Shaijack]

Works great on the lawn. Gas powered. Said 200 MPH but I hold it back to a walk.

[J-MAN]

Have any of the haters above ever tried a product like this? I wouldn't expect any major gains but even if it gave a fraction of what they are claiming, say...20-25HP...I think thats about $200 worth of HP. Plenty of the guys here shovel out way more $$$ for less gains.

You get what you pay for..

WOW! :eek: Would four of these in line equal an eaton swap? :confused:

[Blackened300a]

I wouldn't have made this comment if someone actually came forward and was like "I tried one of these before, it sucked major ass and then I returned it and got my money back".

Good luck trying to find someone who would admit to it.

[TFB]

It may well give some boost on a small engine, say something half the size of a 4.6, but I doubt there would be enough improvement on a larger engine to be worthwhile... I'd be more concerned about it slinging a impeller blade and being ingested bu the engine...

[Odinson]

Wait a minute I'm dense. OMFG

4.6 Liters * 6500 RPM (max throttle) = 29,900 CLM
1 liters = 0.0353146667 feet cubed

1046 CFM. So a rough service, high RPM, high end electric fan about the same as a radiator fan could match stock vacuum need under load.

But that thing would definitely explode in a MM.

Math right?

[bigmerc281]

It may well give some boost on a small engine, say something half the size of a 4.6, but I doubt there would be enough improvement on a larger engine to be worthwhile... I'd be more concerned about it slinging a impeller blade and being ingested bu the engine...

That's what made me reconsider haha

[Vostok]

Good luck trying to find someone who would admit to it.

I don't understand why someone would be so afraid to admit something that failed. That's one of the most effective ways to learn and teach others.

Also don't understand how so much slander can be created for any product when people are going purely off of he-said she-said information. That's a really primitive way to communicate and share thoughts.

[MOTOWN]

Seriously? look at what your asking! ive also seen a ball cap with a propeller on top! am i to assume it can do the same thing as a helicopter??

[Blackened300a]

I don't understand why someone would be so afraid to admit something that failed. That's one of the most effective ways to learn and teach others..

Because its such a ridiculous waste of money. Its obvious it wouldn't work. I go to 100's of car shows and nobody is showing off a electric fan that makes HP. Who would wanna come forward and admit they threw away $200 on a electric fan for their intake that didn't work?

[Vostok]

Seriously? look at what your asking! ive also seen a ball cap with a propeller on top! am i to assume it can do the same thing as a helicopter??

I'm not trying to defend this product. I already said I probably would not use it. However, I will defend bigmerc281's right to ask and receive valid information.

Panties getting bunched up is not necessary here.

[MOTOWN]

No one is being a hater! its just obvious to those of us who have a general idea of what will work, and what may not work

at the same time you must have thick skin to play in this playground, most have got clowned at some point, just part of the fun we mean no harm

[Vostok]

No one is being a hater! its just obvious to those of us who have a general idea of what will work, and what may not work

at the same time you must have thick skin to play in this playground, most have got clowned at some point, just part of the fun we mean no harm

I know how this place works, that's why I brought it up. It's not just about this particular question/product.

I just feel there is far too much of the "Well...this group of old guys that know absolutely 100% of everything about every car and every car product ever made said it wouldn't work so I believe them despite the fact they have no first hand experience with it" attitude going around.

Mechanical engineering for thousands of years has been a trial and error process. Dismissing things ''in theory'' will not get you very far. We have the technology we have today because some crazy guy had the balls to try it.

[MOTOWN]

If you feel that strongly about it, prove everyone wrong on any given discussion by showing different results!

its that simple

[CBT]

I like their "Electric supercharger air tests" It show the fan blow over a 2x4 and push a roll of tape on a flat surface. WTF

Almost as cool as this \/
5xE3m5PHCIE

What kind of turd biscuit lists plugs and wires as a mod? Check the 1 minute mark.

"What all you did to this, man?"
"Oh I got some plugs. Some wires."

Shut the **** up!

[Phrog_gunner]

I'll bet that leaf blower put out more pressure than 5 psi.

[01LXHPP]

What kind of turd biscuit lists plugs and wires as a mod? Check the 1 minute mark.

"What all you did to this, man?"
"Oh I got some plugs. Some wires."

Shut the **** up!

Actually, I see plenty of people on this site listing plugs in their sigs as mods, sooooo.......






You know whats funny, theirs a guy on this site ( doubt he's posted in the longest, don't think he ever had a high post count either) who has an electric turbosupercharger stuck inside his JLT on his MM. I know he was from texas, and I believe he said his car rain 13's with just this intake and turboencabulator. If I ever find that again I'll have to post it up

[RacerX]

"slinging a impeller blade" Bwahahahaha!!! Nice! I wouldn't insult impellers though! That galvanized sheet metal stamped into a cheesy "fan blade" thats been "laser cut"... :D I bet it doesn't even have ball bearings much less dual bearing. More like sleeve bearing... :rolleyes:

[Granddaddy Marq]

Hell I'll take two. Twin super chargers! Oh Ya.

[Vostok]

If you feel that strongly about it, prove everyone wrong on any given discussion by showing different results!

its that simple

My point is that there are no results in the first place to dispute on both ends of the spectrum. New ideas and questions are quickly dismissed here and in the past only in theory and hearsay evidence.

If I had the time and money to create results one way or the other I would but unfortunately i'm not in a position in my life to do that. :alone:

[kmastl]

Hell I'll take two. Twin super chargers! Oh Ya.
Why stop at two?

You could do a compound boost setup leaf-blower/bilge pump!:banana2:
For good measure you should also do the NOS JL Audio and K&N sticker mod. I hear together they are good for 10 hp. If you really want to go buck wild and you think you can handle the fury also go for the VTec sticker package.

[TFB]

"slinging a impeller blade" Bwahahahaha!!! Nice! I wouldn't insult impellers though! That galvanized sheet metal stamped into a cheesy "fan blade" thats been "laser cut"... :D I bet it doesn't even have ball bearings much less dual bearing. More like sleeve bearing... :rolleyes:

Yeah I just went out to the garage and the pressure side impeller from a old Turbo Coupe turbocharger I disassembled just attacked me, left a Hell of a gash on my ankle...

Lil' ***** was really pissed...

[Spectragod]

http://www.performancechiptuning.com/Electric+Supercharger+5+PSI+Vo rtex/10/


What do you think of this.

I wonder if I could use a pair on my exhaust, it would extract the exhaust faster, creating more power....... right?:confused:

[justbob]

I know how this place works, that's why I brought it up. It's not just about this particular question/product.

I just feel there is far too much of the "Well...this group of old guys that know absolutely 100% of everything about every car and every car product ever made said it wouldn't work so I believe them despite the fact they have no first hand experience with it" attitude going around.

Mechanical engineering for thousands of years has been a trial and error process. Dismissing things ''in theory'' will not get you very far. We have the technology we have today because some crazy guy had the balls to try it.

I'm with you on this.

Kinda reminds me of the "X pipes are raspy!" Said by so many who have never had, nor heard one... Mine has ZERO raspiness! It depends on the mufflers you use. How about remote turbo's? "They aren't efficient on our long cars" LOL! There is a northstar caddy around my town with them that my car would NEVER touch! Oh, but that can't be, because its so long.

Now these electric blowers can be calculated and proven good or crap without the need of a dyno. If I had a couple hundo without a use, i'd try it out on the Escort for giggles.



This was posted live, in real time.

[TFB]

I wonder if I could use a pair on my exhaust, it would extract the exhaust faster, creating more power....... right?:confused:

Nope won't work, would suck out all the backpressure and cause loss of power... ;)

[Vostok]

I wonder if I could use a pair on my exhaust, it would extract the exhaust faster, creating more power....... right?:confused:

Actually I heard you can replace your side mirrors with these little guys and create a small turbine effect of sorts, like a jet yanno. :P

[Blackened300a]

My point is that there are no results in the first place to dispute on both ends of the spectrum. New ideas and questions are quickly dismissed here and in the past only in theory and hearsay evidence.


A electric fan will not spin fast enough to generate the CFMs required to make a difference.
Turbos and Superchargers start to make power at 40,000 RPM's, you'll need 80,000 RPMs out of a turbo to generate 5psi. Impossible with a electric motor.

Heres some reading material on it...
http://www.wildweasel.ca/HowTo/Auto/eturbo.aspx

[Vostok]

I'm with you on this.

Kinda reminds me of the "X pipes are raspy!" Said by so many who have never had, nor heard one... Mine has ZERO raspiness! It depends on the mufflers you use. How about remote turbo's? "They aren't efficient on our long cars" LOL! There is a northstar caddy around my town with them that my car would NEVER touch! Oh, but that can't be, because its so long.

Now these electric blowers can be calculated and proven good or crap without the need of a dyno. If I had a couple hundo without a use, i'd try it out on the Escort for giggles.



This was posted live, in real time.

Thanks Bobby, your the man. ;)

[SC Cheesehead]

I know how this place works, that's why I brought it up. It's not just about this particular question/product.

I just feel there is far too much of the "Well...this group of old guys that know absolutely 100% of everything about every car and every car product ever made said it wouldn't work so I believe them despite the fact they have no first hand experience with it" attitude going around.

Mechanical engineering for thousands of years has been a trial and error process. Dismissing things ''in theory'' will not get you very far. We have the technology we have today because some crazy guy had the balls to try it.


My point is that there are no results in the first place to dispute on both ends of the spectrum. New ideas and questions are quickly dismissed here and in the past only in theory and hearsay evidence.

If I had the time and money to create results one way or the other I would but unfortunately i'm not in a position in my life to do that. :alone:


Mechanical engineering is based on proven scientific data. Trial and error is used to develop data, which is then put into practice, but until proven, it's no more than experimentation. And even experimentation has it's foundation in fundamental knowledge (e.g. physics, mechanics of materials, geometry, trigonometry, chemistry, etc.)

When it comes to supercharging, you create a higher volume of air than a particular engine will normally intake at any given rpm. That means you've got to have a machine/mechanism capable of generating this higher volume. There are mathematical formulas that can calculate the required volume for a given displacement engine and using that, you can then determine what size supercharger is needed to produce the desired excess air flow (i.e. "boost").

If you want to know more, check out the following:

http://www.aa1car.com/library/supercharge.htm

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/SC_efficiency.pdf

http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/ProductsbyCategory/Automotive/AutomotiveAftermarket/Superchargers/FAQ/index.htm

http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/tech-conversions/12228-supercharger-sizing-spreadsheet-air-flow-hp-calcs.html

If you spend a little time and read through the above, and then you check out the specs for that goofy electric supercharger we've been discussing, you'll see that it just ain't gonna work. No way it'll push enough air.

But, hey, don't take our word for it, we're just a "group of old guys that know absolutely 100% of everything", right? :rolleyes:

Do your reseach next time before you stick your foot in your mouth.

[Vostok]

A electric fan will not spin fast enough to generate the CFMs required to make a difference.
Turbos and Superchargers start to make power at 40,000 RPM's, you'll need 80,000 RPMs out of a turbo to generate 5psi. Impossible with a electric motor.

Heres some reading material on it...
http://www.wildweasel.ca/HowTo/Auto/eturbo.aspx


Mechanical engineering is based on proven scientific data. Trial and error is used to develop data, which is then put into practice, but until proven, it's no more than experimentation. And even experimentation has it's foundation in fundamental knowledge (e.g. physics, mechanics of materials, geometry, trigonometry, chemistry, etc.)

When it comes to supercharging, you create a higher volume of air than a particular engine will normally intake at any given rpm. That means you've got to have a machine/mechanism capable of generating this higher volume. There are mathematical formulas that can calculate the required volume for a given displacement engine and using that, you can then determine what size supercharger is needed to produce the desired excess air flow (i.e. "boost").

If you want to know more, check out the following:

http://www.aa1car.com/library/supercharge.htm

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/SC_efficiency.pdf

http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/ProductsbyCategory/Automotive/AutomotiveAftermarket/Superchargers/FAQ/index.htm

http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/tech-conversions/12228-supercharger-sizing-spreadsheet-air-flow-hp-calcs.html

If you spend a little time and read through the above, and then you check out the specs for that goofy electric supercharger we've been discussing, you'll see that it just ain't gonna work. No way it'll push enough air.

But, hey, don't take our word for it, we're just a "group of old guys that know absolutely 100% of everything", right? :rolleyes:

Do your reseach next time before you stick your foot in your mouth.

Thank you. This is the kind of information that should have been submitted immediately, rather than, "I heard they suck so they must suck". :D

For like the 3rd time...i'm not defending this product, its just the principles in our exchange of information that I would like to see improvement on...

[SC Cheesehead]

Nope won't work, would suck out all the backpressure and cause loss of power... ;)

Well, what if I had two sucking, and a third one pushing, that would create a little back pressure, would that work? :dunno: ;)

[justbob]

Thank you. This is the kind of information that should have been submitted immediately, rather than. "I heard they suck so they must suck". :D

For like the 3rd time...i'm not defending this product, its just the principles in our exchange of information that I would like to see improvement on...

See? I'm NOT the man! Rexypoo is the MAN! :)

This was posted live, in real time.

[71cyclone]

There is an Old Saying -BELIEVE 1/2 of what you hear and 100% of what U see.
Well I saw Some SH-- . Save you cash . ,because they will get Paid
and "U" will get PLAYED.!!!

[Vostok]

There is an Old Saying -BELIEVE 1/2 of what you hear and 100% of what U see.
Well I saw Some SH-- . Save you cash . ,because they will get Paid
and "U" will get PLAYED.!!!

Right. The poor guy asked a simple question followed by a bunch of silly joke-type answers. If I asked the original question I would have expected some solid facts to actually settle my curiosity for why or why not...then maybe some jokes later on :)

[71cyclone]

Real nice Camera shot [ the b/w works ] " Cousin " VOSTOK .

[DOOM]

I don't understand why someone would be so afraid to admit something that failed.


They arent afraid!

They are called DTR owners! :D

[Vostok]

They arent afraid!

They are called DTR owners! :D

Here we gooooooo :lol:

[DOOM]

I'm with you on this.

Kinda reminds me of the "X pipes are raspy!" Said by so many who have never had, nor heard one... Mine has ZERO raspiness! It depends on the mufflers you use.

I agree 200% with this! :agree:

Most of you guys know what my car sounds like!

When I tell most people I have an X pipe I normally get an :eek: response!

Had Super 44's and now running aeros.

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/DOOMIE/0e6870cc.jpg

[SC Cheesehead]

Right. The poor guy asked a simple question followed by a bunch of silly joke-type answers. If I asked the original question I would have expected some solid facts to actually settle my curiosity for why or why not...then maybe some jokes later on :)

Fair enough.

I guess part of the responses may be due to the fact the the electric supercharger question has been asked repeatedly in the past, and the responses have been the same: "won't work, won't push enough air." Usually, it ends there, but prolly not a bad idea to post up the reasoning behind it to fully explain why.

Keep in mind that the "old guys" that hang out here are, for the most part, pretty experienced, i.e., "been there and done that," so it's not like they're blowing off new ideas (if in fact, there is a truly new idea); it's just some stuff is pretty obvious: to wit "fuel line magnets, hyper grounding, Pulstar capacitor spark plugs, octane booster" and the list goes on...

Innovation is a good thing, heck, we're still learning things we can do to our cars constantly, but a healthy dose of skepticism (often learned by experience - the hard way :o) is not a bad idea whenever looking at something that seems just too good to be true.

[justbob]

Am I an old guy yet?

This was posted live, in real time.

[Joe Walsh]

Funny,
the first paragraph of the description states that it is Not what it exactly IS.
:lol:

LMAO....


I like their "Electric supercharger air tests" It show the fan blow over a 2x4 and push a roll of tape on a flat surface. WTF


To be accurate, they should show the electric supercharger blowing $200 across the garage floor.

BTW: I'm ordering one for my Ranger's 3.sl0w V6....it'll be a beast once I spin up the leafblower...errrr......I mean supercharger!

[Phrog_gunner]

Is it just me or do they not list a physical address on the website?

[Pops]

Am I an old guy yet?

This was posted live, in real time.

Yes!!!!:rolleyes:

[Phrog_gunner]

Yes!!!!:rolleyes:

Not so fast, you can't have him yet. We still get him for a few more years.

[SC Cheesehead]

Am I an old guy yet?

This was posted live, in real time.

In owner years or :geezer: years?

YES, to the former, NO to the latter (not yet, anyway)... :D

BTW JB's my Innovation Hero, and he doesn't even use
http://www.canoeandkayakstore.co.uk/images/Duck_Tape.jpg

[babbage]

I wonder if I could use a pair on my exhaust, it would extract the exhaust faster, creating more power....... right?:confused:

Yeah, at idle .. At least the stamped blades wouldn't get into the engine..


I'm with you on this.

Kinda reminds me of the "X pipes are raspy!" Said by so many who have never had, nor heard one... Mine has ZERO raspiness! It depends on the mufflers you use.

Yeah, try telling em you have a muffled X pipe...


LMAO....
To be accurate, they should show the electric supercharger blowing $200 across the garage floor.


LOL - Yep. Note too that the "dyno tests" include both their "chip" and the "leaf blower"

[RacerX]

I tell them I have two V pipes attached in the middle... >< :lol:

As far as the jokes, if you SEARCH here, you'll find that we've made fun of this subject many times in the past. If it's already been dealt with, it's fair game. :beer:

[Siege]

BMW is currently testing a system which uses an electrically-assisted turbocharger to pre-spin the compressor wheel of the turbocharger to reduce turbo lag at times of low exhaust flow.

http://jalopnik.com/5855317/will-bmws-electric-turbocharger-end-turbo-lag

[SC Cheesehead]

BMW is currently testing a system which uses an electrically-assisted turbocharger to pre-spin the compressor wheel of the turbocharger to reduce turbo lag at times of low exhaust flow.

http://jalopnik.com/5855317/will-bmws-electric-turbocharger-end-turbo-lag


Interesting aticle, thanks for posting it up! :up:


As far as the jokes, if you SEARCH here, you'll find that we've made fun of this subject many times in the past. If it's already been dealt with, it's fair game. :beer:

Yup, even the Beemer article took a shot at them...

'To be fair, "electric turbocharger" is a bit of a misnomer, one that might confuse some into thinking BMW's delving into the world of cheap "electric superchargers," long a bane of the aftermarket...'