kennebell

[Guittard22]

Any Superchargers from kennebell work on MM ?

[SpartaPerformance]

Any Superchargers from kennebell work on MM ?

If you have enough $$$ anything will fit anywhere. LOL Seriously though KB's are driver side intake so I'm sure something can be fabricated to fit.

[DOOM]

If you have enough $$$ anything will fit anywhere.


THATS WHAT SHE SAID!!! :eek:

[05crownsport]

Any kennebell designed for a four valve mustang should be able to be adapted to work on a Marauder. 2003-04 mach 1, and 2003-04 cobra. Think about the higher power kennebells are known to produce, I always liked them!

[BODYMAN]

Yep U can do a KB if you do a Eaton swap. I was going to go that route until alot of homework and comparision between it & the Whipple and found for the size which would fit underthe oe hood the 2.3 Whipple was a better choice. Heck Zack had a KB on his at one time and U see what he's got now a 3.4 whipple. To be honest though be prepared to spend some coin about 3200ish give or take for Eaton swap parts + price of 03 Cobra KB blower= so around 7000ish not cheap. Just ask my wallet or better my wife:D.

[BODYMAN]

If you have enough $$$ anything will fit anywhere. LOL Seriously though KB's are driver side intake so I'm sure something can be fabricated to fit.

He,He can U say Twin Turbo, Iam getting bored with S/C's

[Dennis Reinhart]

You can make it fit but it's very labor intensive and with a stock motor it's not in my opinion worth it. I think Lidio is doing it for about 10K I would consider it but its costly.

[BODYMAN]

You can make it fit but it's very labor intensive and with a stock motor it's not in my opinion worth it. I think Lidio is doing it for about 10K I would consider it but its costly.

Exactly what Dennis is saying with stk Motor hard to justify cause youll never be able to use the blower to its potential. Also 10k is about spot on if building with mainly new parts the 7 I guessed at would be with parts scavenging of mustang boards which can be tough to. :beer:

[FordNut]

You can do an eaton conversion and use anything designed for the '03-'04 Cobra. Or you can use the Mach1 KB kit and add in custom pieces, some of them from the eaton conversion list and some totally special (coolant crossover), but with the Mach1 kit you use a single serpentine belt for everything including the blower. Single belt isn't as reliable as the separate belt like the eaton conversion uses.

[BODYMAN]

You can do an eaton conversion and use anything designed for the '03-'04 Cobra. Or you can use the Mach1 KB kit and add in custom pieces, some of them from the eaton conversion list and some totally special (coolant crossover), but with the Mach1 kit you use a single serpentine belt for everything including the blower. Single belt isn't as reliable as the separate belt like the eaton conversion uses.

I was gonna mention the single belt option also with Mach1 kit also Brian but isnt that kit for Mach1 not even Intercooled? I thought I saw something on that?

[SC Cheesehead]

I was gonna mention the single belt option also with Mach1 kit also Brian but isnt that kit for Mach1 not even Intercooled? I thought I saw something on that?

Non-intercooled? Holy Heater, Batman!

[FordNut]

It is intercooled.

[Vortech347]

Eaton swap - Eaton + Kenne Bell = Haul ass. It can be done for under 5k if you shop right.

However, unless you've got a different shortblock, Posi-ported eaton is the way to go.

[BODYMAN]

Eaton swap - Eaton + Kenne Bell = Haul ass. It can be done for under 5k if you shop right.

However, unless you've got a different shortblock, Posi-ported eaton is the way to go.

Do a Whipple Eaton swap. Just as good as a KB but can be found cheaper ussually used then a KB:beer:

[NTHE10s]

Yes, you can make a Kennebell work but like most of the guys here said. it will take some $$$ and fab work....

If you are at the beginning stages of building your car? i say go TURBO and never look back.

The power is unreal!

Rich

[BODYMAN]

Yes, you can make a Kennebell work but like most of the guys here said. it will take some $$$ and fab work....

If you are at the beginning stages of building your car? i say go TURBO and never look back.

The power is unreal!

Rich

+1 million, If I could have all my $$ back on past builds and spent half that on a custom twin or single turbo set up. These 4V's really work good with a turbo..

[Guittard22]

Yes, you can make a Kennebell work but like most of the guys here said. it will take some $$$ and fab work....

If you are at the beginning stages of building your car? i say go TURBO and never look back.

The power is unreal!

Rich


what brand ? would you say ? and turbo's hp is less than a supercharger?:confused:

[SC Cheesehead]

what brand ? would you say ? and turbo's hp is less than a supercharger?:confused:


HP gains from either a turbocharger or supercharger will vary by size and set up. The big difference between the two is how they develop boost.

Check out the following to get a better understanding of the two designs.

http://www.fordvschevy.com/tech/tbsc/tbsc.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm

[NTHE10s]

what brand ? would you say ? and turbo's hp is less than a supercharger?:confused:

What are the goals for your car? and i am not sure where you saw that about turbo's but i dont think thats right or the setup was way off.

you can make any power adder make power but there are only a few that will be more efficient at putting the power down.

Rich

[Guittard22]

What are the goals for your car? and i am not sure where you saw that about turbo's but i dont think thats right or the setup was way off.

you can make any power adder make power but there are only a few that will be more efficient at putting the power down.

Rich



frist step is to buy a MM than idk i want somthing that no one has done yet but i know that will be hard. has anyone put a 427 creamer block old school in a MM 03-04 or somthing on the lines of that

[yjmud]

frist step is to buy a MM than idk i want somthing that no one has done yet but i know that will be hard. has anyone put a 427 creamer block old school in a MM 03-04 or somthing on the lines of that

so what is a creamer never heard of that one
damn auto-type
My guess is CAMMER

[Guittard22]

427 V8 engine, familiarly known as the "
Cammer


yes sorry .....

[BODYMAN]

TURBO,TURBO,TURBO Said it before Ill say it again if could do it all over I would be turbo built not to mention say 550rwhp with a turbo set up right and rwtq will be like 600rwtq Turbo's equal torque.

[Vortech347]

Turbo's would suck on these cars! (daily driving) (drag racing under a strict set of circumstances turbo's can be beautiful!)

Every time I drive a turbo car I HATE the lag, regardless of turbo size. I will always have belt driven forced induction on my cars. I like being able to stab the gas at any time, be in boost/tq. With no delay in power going to the tires. Regardless of RPM it is what it is. I love that. Roots and twinscrew blowers are absolutely the way to go with these cars. Centri's work well too but you need to gear them accordingly. (4.10+) I road course/auto-x my cars so thats another reason turbo's don't jive well.

You can find KB 2.2-2.4's used for the same price as whipples. Problem is that customer service for KB is AWEFUL.

[juno]

I have practically ZERO turbo lag when the car is moving. I am at full boost in the time it takes the car to downshift. Auto crossing one of these cars with a turbo would be a waste as there is too much power. I did several events at Sebring with mine and I had to be very careful with the go pedal coming out of turns.
A turbo as a DD is awesome. No whining at all, totally stealth and drives like a heavily modded NA car until you want boost and it is there instantly if the car has a load on it. It is all in the tuning and turbo selection (size, control, etc.)
The best way to describe my turbo when there is a load on the car is like a 200 or better shot of nitrous.
I do have trouble building boost off the line, but again that is in the tuning and TC selection.
Unfortunately turbo systems are pretty much custom for our cars and you have to think out your engine, tc and tranny mods very carefully...and find a tuner.
There are many easier ways of making power, but none more efficient.

[BODYMAN]

Turbo's would suck on these cars! (daily driving) (drag racing under a strict set of circumstances turbo's can be beautiful!)

Every time I drive a turbo car I HATE the lag, regardless of turbo size. I will always have belt driven forced induction on my cars. I like being able to stab the gas at any time, be in boost/tq. With no delay in power going to the tires. Regardless of RPM it is what it is. I love that. Roots and twinscrew blowers are absolutely the way to go with these cars. Centri's work well too but you need to gear them accordingly. (4.10+) I road course/auto-x my cars so thats another reason turbo's don't jive well.

You can find KB 2.2-2.4's used for the same price as whipples. Problem is that customer service for KB is AWEFUL.



Turbo would suck on these cars LOL Thats got to be the funniest statement of the year. I didnt even finish reading youre post just 1st sentence. This right here is the 1st example in how little folks know about Turbo set up's. Just ask the guy above me (juno) how his turbo sucks. LOL. If I had all in line to do it today it would be done Sorry buddy but Ill never make the power with my 2.3 that I can with a properly set up Turbo. Another My opinion a KB isnt better then a Whipple IMO Ive seen many swap from a KB to a Whipple namely one being a banned member from here who seems to know what he talking about...

[BODYMAN]

I have practically ZERO turbo lag when the car is moving. I am at full boost in the time it takes the car to downshift. Auto crossing one of these cars with a turbo would be a waste as there is too much power. I did several events at Sebring with mine and I had to be very careful with the go pedal coming out of turns.
A turbo as a DD is awesome. No whining at all, totally stealth and drives like a heavily modded NA car until you want boost and it is there instantly if the car has a load on it. It is all in the tuning and turbo selection (size, control, etc.)
The best way to describe my turbo when there is a load on the car is like a 200 or better shot of nitrous.
I do have trouble building boost off the line, but again that is in the tuning and TC selection.
Unfortunately turbo systems are pretty much custom for our cars and you have to think out your engine, tc and tranny mods very carefully...and find a tuner.
There are many easier ways of making power, but none more efficient.

+1 on what youve said. Not to mention (but each to there own) why in the world would I want to Drive this biggass car thru turns as fast as I can. Autocrossing these type of cars just dont make sense.

[BODYMAN]

I guess just one last question Why are all those 03-04 Cobra guys swapping out there roots type and going Turbo? Not to mention a ton of them are 850-1000 rwhp?

[NTHE10s]

I guess just one last question Why are all those 03-04 Cobra guys swapping out there roots type and going Turbo? Not to mention a ton of them are 850-1000 rwhp?

Cause Turbo's rule! :rock:

Juno's sig says it best:
Belts are for washing Machines.

not only are the cobra guys changing over but on another forum we have guys that swore by NOS, Whipple, etc... that have gone Turbo and BEAT there PB by about 1.5 -2sec. I know first hand. I had S/C(16psi)+NOS (50shot) iced down car made Best 505rwhp. Then i went Turbo and with only 14psi car made 508RWHP not iced. OH this is on a 4.6 2V.

But to each there own!
Rich

[BODYMAN]

Cause Turbo's rule! :rock:

Juno's sig says it best:
Belts are for washing Machines.

not only are the cobra guys changing over but on another forum we have guys that swore by NOS, Whipple, etc... that have gone Turbo and BEAT there PB by about 1.5 -2sec. I know first hand. I had S/C(16psi)+NOS (50shot) iced down car made Best 505rwhp. Then i went Turbo and with only 14psi car made 508RWHP not iced. OH this is on a 4.6 2V.

But to each there own!
Rich

On spot Rich we all live and learn! I played follow the leader myself and I dont want to do that no more. Put 21psi from a turbo through my set up and see what it does. I know one thing Iam tired of getting my ass handed to me by a buddy's black 2 door with a v-6 3.8 ltre. Might I add my car is actually not that much heavier then his. I should have just bought his when he offered it to me 2 years ago. But Iam being patient and in due time it will come.

[LANDY]

I agree on the turbo talk. If I had the loot or premises I would build a kit from scratch.
For now ima put a wastegate on the t-trim and spin the crap out of it amd see where it takes me.

[martyo]

I agree on the turbo talk. If I had the loot or premises I would build a kit from scratch.
For now ima put a wastegate on the t-trim and spin the crap out of it amd see where it takes me.

Sounds like fun to me!

[NTHE10s]

Bodyman: I too learned. it took me two motors and a crap load of $$$. then i took a ride in a turbo Car and a week later i sold all my S/C and Nos crap. I am glad i did. Car now has 640rwhp :cool4: if you put 21psi to a 4V. That would be AWESOME! get her done...

LANDY: Hell yeah! that what its all about... what ever FI used for the build. build it, boost it, Run it...

It's just those that have the chance to start with a fresh build they should spend a little more up front and be a head of the game in the end...

Rich

[99SVT]

I've seen a lot of turbo build cars around here locally and they, for the most part, haven't impressed me that much. Yes a lot of them are much faster than me, but some of the compromises they had to do to get there, in my opinion, aren't always worth it.

[NTHE10s]

I've seen a lot of turbo build cars around here locally and they, for the most part, haven't impressed me that much. Yes a lot of them are much faster than me, but some of the compromises they had to do to get there, in my opinion, aren't always worth it.

what kind of Compromises?

[BODYMAN]

I agree on the turbo talk. If I had the loot or premises I would build a kit from scratch.
For now ima put a wastegate on the t-trim and spin the crap out of it amd see where it takes me.

Agree Landy the key word is Loot to do it. With that said iam suprised Marty hasnt done something along these terms:). As for making compromises if done right planned right with the right peoples knowledge I dont see this happening. Like others said and FI is awesome and you cant go wrong.

[99SVT]

what kind of Compromises?

Here's a few I've come across after owning a turbo car and watching several people build turbo cars:

-Narrow selection of gearing to be able to load turbo properly.
-Torque convertor selection critical to spool turbo
-Underhood items randomly melting after hot lapping (ie: throttle cable melting and sticking at WOT at top end of track)
-Turbo plumbing that requires deletion of various critical items (fan shroud delete causing overheating, crash bumper, A/C, power steering, just to name a few)
-Hot side thermal expansion causing couplers to break loose (these weren't cheap couplers either)

And yes, I have read and understand Corkey Bell's book. I know why a lot of these fail or don't run to potential, but fixing 1 problem sometimes creates a whole new set of problems. If one had the time and budget to systematically build a proper turbo setup they will stomp most other power adders, but most of the time they turn into a cobbled mess with the owner being stuck with either a dyno queen, roll/drag race only car, or a car that constantly eats parts. Telling someone who doesn't have the skill, knowledge, money, or means to "just throw a turbo on it" often turns the car into turd real world performance wise.

[BODYMAN]

Here's a few I've come across after owning a turbo car and watching several people build turbo cars:

-Narrow selection of gearing to be able to load turbo properly.
-Torque convertor selection critical to spool turbo
-Underhood items randomly melting after hot lapping (ie: throttle cable melting and sticking at WOT at top end of track)
-Turbo plumbing that requires deletion of various critical items (fan shroud delete causing overheating, crash bumper, A/C, power steering, just to name a few)
-Hot side thermal expansion causing couplers to break loose (these weren't cheap couplers either)

And yes, I have read and understand Corkey Bell's book. I know why a lot of these fail or don't run to potential, but fixing 1 problem sometimes creates a whole new set of problems. If one had the time and budget to systematically build a proper turbo setup they will stomp most other power adders, but most of the time they turn into a cobbled mess with the owner being stuck with either a dyno queen, roll/drag race only car, or a car that constantly eats parts. Telling someone who doesn't have the skill, knowledge, money, or means to "just throw a turbo on it" often turns the car into turd real world performance wise.

Agree 100% with that being said there are only a few people I would trust in doing a job like this. Right person and right amount of$ A turbo can be the real deal.. it is much easier to go S/C and call it a day. For one to have a end result that is effective and effecient and long lasting is a huge task.

[NTHE10s]

Here's a few I've come across after owning a turbo car and watching several people build turbo cars:

-Narrow selection of gearing to be able to load turbo properly.
-Torque convertor selection critical to spool turbo
-Underhood items randomly melting after hot lapping (ie: throttle cable melting and sticking at WOT at top end of track)
-Turbo plumbing that requires deletion of various critical items (fan shroud delete causing overheating, crash bumper, A/C, power steering, just to name a few)
-Hot side thermal expansion causing couplers to break loose (these weren't cheap couplers either)

And yes, I have read and understand Corkey Bell's book. I know why a lot of these fail or don't run to potential, but fixing 1 problem sometimes creates a whole new set of problems. If one had the time and budget to systematically build a proper turbo setup they will stomp most other power adders, but most of the time they turn into a cobbled mess with the owner being stuck with either a dyno queen, roll/drag race only car, or a car that constantly eats parts. Telling someone who doesn't have the skill, knowledge, money, or means to "just throw a turbo on it" often turns the car into turd real world performance wise.

to me the above sounds like poor planning, goals where changed mid build or cheap parts where used.

what you explain the second part goes for any build. S/C, NOS, TURBO.

Reseach, Goals, and planning are KEY... OH so is money

Rich

[99SVT]

to me the above sounds like poor planning, goals where changed mid build or cheap parts where used.

what you explain the second part goes for any build. S/C, NOS, TURBO.

Reseach, Goals, and planning are KEY... OH so is money

Rich

Which is precisely my point.

For an example, there's someone local here that had a whipple Cobra, made about 580ish to the wheels, ran low 11's, but he wasn't able to get it in the 10's (driver skill/shifting I'm certain, it had the potential and mph), but he sold it and bought another Cobra and went turbo with an auto. He ended up with a boss330 4V 5.4L, big single turbo, and built C4 auto with trans brake, slicks, none of it was cheap. It put down a shade under 800hp to the wheels and he could barely get it into the 10's after a year of running it at the track.

The problem with the build is most likely too low stall in the convertor or the turbo is just too big. He might make some changes this winter, it's not my build, but the point being it only takes 1 wrong part in the combo to make the car underperform. If he was making that much power with a blower and no other changes to the driveline it would be running much faster at the track.

[SGT_MERC]

THATS WHAT SHE SAID!!! :eek:


That's some funny **** there.

[BODYMAN]

Which is precisely my point.

For an example, there's someone local here that had a whipple Cobra, made about 580ish to the wheels, ran low 11's, but he wasn't able to get it in the 10's (driver skill/shifting I'm certain, it had the potential and mph), but he sold it and bought another Cobra and went turbo with an auto. He ended up with a boss330 4V 5.4L, big single turbo, and built C4 auto with trans brake, slicks, none of it was cheap. It put down a shade under 800hp to the wheels and he could barely get it into the 10's after a year of running it at the track.

The problem with the build is most likely too low stall in the convertor or the turbo is just too big. He might make some changes this winter, it's not my build, but the point being it only takes 1 wrong part in the combo to make the car underperform. If he was making that much power with a blower and no other changes to the driveline it would be running much faster at the track.

I dont care what youre doing/building it is all in planning and proper execution. With anything, Know what youre after and do careful and precise excecution. As for driver skill have a friend make a few passes and see what the results are. I see it everyday people do what they want and overlook 1 key element and end up with unwanted results. All power adders are a positive and all have there positives and negatives.

[NTHE10s]

Which is precisely my point.

For an example, there's someone local here that had a whipple Cobra, made about 580ish to the wheels, ran low 11's, but he wasn't able to get it in the 10's (driver skill/shifting I'm certain, it had the potential and mph), but he sold it and bought another Cobra and went turbo with an auto. He ended up with a boss330 4V 5.4L, big single turbo, and built C4 auto with trans brake, slicks, none of it was cheap. It put down a shade under 800hp to the wheels and he could barely get it into the 10's after a year of running it at the track.

The problem with the build is most likely too low stall in the convertor or the turbo is just too big. He might make some changes this winter, it's not my build, but the point being it only takes 1 wrong part in the combo to make the car underperform. If he was making that much power with a blower and no other changes to the driveline it would be running much faster at the track.

yeah but that 1 part will make all the difference in the world. it just takes some reseach and testing. that is part of the hobby. if it was easy EVERYONE would be doing it.

both the car setups above seem to have what they needed to run better numbers but with out knowing more details it would be hard to know what the issues where. i say it was/is Driver mod.

heres the problem ---> (If) he was making that much power with a blower and no other changes to the driveline it would be running much faster at the track. Its hard to make the power a turbo makes with a Blower at the same boost. i've never seen it happen.

TURBO's RULE!!!

Rich

[lifespeed]

Yes, you can make a Kennebell work but like most of the guys here said. it will take some $$$ and fab work....

If you are at the beginning stages of building your car? i say go TURBO and never look back.

The power is unreal!

Rich

Please provide more detail and/or photos of your setup. Headers, hot side plumbing and wastegates are of particular interest. Do you use air/air intercooling?

[NTHE10s]

my sytem is on a 2V crown vic. it will be close but a few things will differ. here is a engine bay as it sits... Look up Nthe11s on cardomain. i ave a few pic's there.

as of Dec 2011 ca makes 640rwhp@23lbs
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/Nthe11s/2011-12-10_15-33-03_383-1.jpg

[Cobra25]

If I remember correctly *Juno* has a Turbo Marauder. I remember Scott Beer De -Tuning it a few times because it made too much Power on the stock motor he had at the time.