Calling all Supercharged

[nyinterceptor]

Hey guys, i own a 2001 tork tech supercharged crown victoria, i know its not the same as the marauder but basically same design, Im wondering what rear gears you supercharged guys are running. I know stock marauders benefit from 4.10's but isnt that too much with a supercharger?.

I have the stock 3.27 traction lock and ive been seeing one wheel peel outs so im guessing its done, Im thinking 3.73 or 4.10, I also run a 3600 rpm stall, what do you guys recommend?

[Billy]

Personally, the most gear I would go with a 2v crown vic with a power adder would be 3.73s. You really don't need extra gear if you've got a power adder.

Also, you should post pics of your car asap. :cool:

[sailsmen]

The Marauder has 18" wheels and ~28" tires. Most on the timeslip page have 4:10s.

Estimate your HP and go to a site that has a 1/4 calcualtor. Look at the estimated trap speed for you HP and work backwards. You want to be near the redline when you finish.

[guspech750]

I don't know all the technical guru stuff. All I know is what I feel by the seat of my pants.

I love my 4.10's along with my Eaton. That quick acceleration off the line is sooooooo sweet!! : burnout:


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[nyinterceptor]

Ill post a pic later, its been supercharged for like 2 years now, looks like a 4x4 though, i have to lower it somehow, the 315's look nice from the back but they are too short, also the car needs paint badly, but it rips :)

[nyinterceptor]

I don't know all the technical guru stuff. All I know is what I feel by the seat of my pants.

I love my 4.10's along with my Eaton. That quick acceleration off the line is sooooooo sweet!! : burnout:


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how are they on the highway?

[sailsmen]

With out the size tires you are running this is a waste of time. Help us by giving your tire size so we can help you.

[nyinterceptor]

Im running 315-35-17 out back and 245-50-16 in the front.

thanks

[SC Cheesehead]

I don't know all the technical guru stuff. All I know is what I feel by the seat of my pants.

I love my 4.10's along with my Eaton. That quick acceleration off the line is sooooooo sweet!! : burnout:


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how are they on the highway?

75 mph = 2,400 - 2,500 rpm.

[TFB]

Assuming there are no other issues and you are satisfied with the performance of the 3.27, just the Traction Lock can be rebuilt for far less than a complete gear swap and rebuild...

[Bradley G]

When you have over 400 RWHP and a stall in the upper 3's you don't need 4:10 GEARS BUT WHAT THE DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS? :banana2:

[TAKEDOWN]

Hmmm... do they offer a 2004 CVPI version of a tork tech supercharger? It doesn't say on their website.

[myrodr]

i run 4:10s with eaton ,lidio s tune... love this set-up. if you go 4:10s may want taller tires,first gear is not going to be good with-out slicks!!!

[nyinterceptor]

Well yea 3.27 feel fine, i guess i just wanted more oomph since im gonna be in the pumpkin, 3.73 or 4.10 might brake something, i still need stronger upper and lower control arms, watts link etc.

They dont sell the kit to bolt on to the crown vic atleast not yet ,it has to be modified, i made instructions on how to install it on the vic for Bill at tork tech a while back, i guess theres not much demamd for it.

[nyinterceptor]

i run 4:10s with eaton ,lidio s tune... love this set-up. if you go 4:10s may want taller tires,first gear is not going to be good with-out slicks!!!

Thanks for your input, im thinking of running lighter rims and use s taller tire, the 03 cobras with summitomos weight like 60 lbs.:eek:

[nyinterceptor]

http:// http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=HR6Iry7HDcc ( http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=HR6Iry7HDcc)

Heres a quick video, CEL is on due to fuel pressure sensor, im gonna swap the whole tank this weekend.

[Vortech347]

Well yea 3.27 feel fine, i guess i just wanted more oomph since im gonna be in the pumpkin, 3.73 or 4.10 might brake something, i still need stronger upper and lower control arms, watts link etc.

They dont sell the kit to bolt on to the crown vic atleast not yet ,it has to be modified, i made instructions on how to install it on the vic for Bill at tork tech a while back, i guess theres not much demamd for it.

Gears don't break anything. Its a dead hook with slicks with 6000rpm that breaks things.

My advice would be 3.73's if you drive the car alot on the street. If you plan on running the car down the 1/4 a ton and making it more of a toy car 4.10's would work well. Your 2v doesn't quite have the rev range our 4v's do so you're 3.73's would be comparable to our 4.10'd cars. Even supercharged these big cars need all the gear they can get. Personally I'd run 4.30's if my MM wasn't my daily and a car I drove out of state frequently.

[99SVT]

Im running 315-35-17 out back and 245-50-16 in the front.

thanks

With that short of a tire I'd run a set of 3.73's. A 25" tall tire puts you at 120mph at 6000rpm.

If you run something closer to a 27-28" tall tire, a set of 4.10's will have you running around 115-120mph at 6000rpm.

I'm running 4.10's in my Trilogy car and I'll be good for +130mph trap speeds, which I don't plan on doing anytime soon, I'm shooting for trap speeds around 110-115.

[nyinterceptor]

Thanks guys, im going to steeda on my next day off to see if i could get some 3.73 installed, hopefully price aint too high.

[71cyclone]

My 04 MOUNTE- Premier had a W code 2v 4.6 and factory 3:73's / The Wagons only mods were 3-1/2 " roll tip pipe, left side and K&N with modified air box. The wagon was real snappy. I agree with the 3:73 being a comp with the 4:10's in the MM

[Fourth Horseman]

Thanks guys, im going to steeda on my next day off to see if i could get some 3.73 installed, hopefully price aint too high.

Just yesterday I had a set of 3.73:1 gears installed in my Town Car and that ratio is perfect. It's a nice upgrade from the stock 3.27:1 ratio. I think you'll be pleased with the results.

[nyinterceptor]

Just yesterday I had a set of 3.73:1 gears installed in my Town Car and that ratio is perfect. It's a nice upgrade from the stock 3.27:1 ratio. I think you'll be pleased with the results.

Do you mind telling me how much did they set you back? Just so I could have an idea when I go in for mine.

[BODYMAN]

Well with youre set up it sounds to me that it's likely you would be stisfied with 3.73's. As for us MM guys or atleast myself facts of car of course play a roll. Example my 1st 2 MM's were Vortech's so a larger stall and 4.10's were a must. However my 04 with a 2.3 Whipple putting down 545/556 to the tires I personally nor anyone else that has ridden or drove the car feel that 4.10's are a necessity. The way the car is now it comes out of the hole like a monster, The number#1 reason I went to a roots type blower rather then having to do additional mods just to get the car moving for the 1st 60ft. Gotta love instant boost:D.. On another note it is another 2 mods I will have to incl if I go crazy and decide no more S/C & Turbo time. LOL:)

[nyinterceptor]

Lol wow a whipple on 20 lbs, what does it do down the track.

[sailsmen]

For several years the only MM with a sub 1.6 60' was a Vortech Cent. Wow how did that happen?
Power is power and Traction is Traction.

How man humans can discern the difference in 1.65 vs 1.70?

I got the the 1/4 times of an Eaton with the same gears, TC and tires as me. Our 1/4 mile times including the 60' were interchangable. By just looking at the 1/4 mile Spread Sheets we could not tell whose times were whose. We both have over 150 1/4 runs and a lot of wins.

There is still a lot of BS Myths out there. One look at the Time Slip Page brings it all into perspective.

Timeslipe data from a Vortec and Eaton. Same gears, tires, exhaust, TC, Eaton 12.5psi and Vortec10psi. Can you pick which is which?

1.704 5.089 7.942 85.53 10.438 12.554 106.67
1.741 5.096 7.924 86.4 10.399 12.501 107.33
1.702 5.046 7.886 85.7 10.383 12.511 105.89
1.691 5.025 7.852 86.34 10.328 12.426 107.56
1.745 5.096 7.883 87.13 10.329 12.391 109.4
1.748 5.114 7.907 86.9 10.358 12.427 109.03
1.72 5.047 7.822 88.15 10.272 12.333 109.52
1.716 5.019 7.79 87.37 10.237 12.3 109.38
1.744 5.098 7.894 86.79 10.355 12.431 108.69
1.69 5.221 8.051 86.58 10.514 12.921 108.65

[LANDY]

Here we go............

[SC Cheesehead]

Here we go............


Yup.

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[BODYMAN]

Here we ago for millionth time!!! You can give me every dam stastic in the world it matters absoloutley 0 to me. For one simple fact.Take a roots and install,Take a vortech both set up for 20psi strictly blower kit no supporting mods. The Vortech will end up on the bottom.. Go ahead and tell me all youre facts I heard multiple times before. Tell ya what Iam gonna be visting my brother in shreveport next summer by then Ill have been able to get my car dialed in at new track here. Lets meet then in that area then at a track Id feel better showing in person all the true benefits of a roots. Take youre stall out of equation & it would be even easier. Ive owned 2 Vortech Marauder's loved them both and kow the Whipple for choice. Plain and simple you need other mods to improve 60ft times, I have 3.55's still,stock stall. I like Vortech's had 4 if I didnt like them That wouldnt of happened. Frankly Iam tired of you always bring this FACT sheet up, Id be curious was there one Vortch'd On youre list with out a stall? doubtful. Are cars appear Very close in#'s I guess Ill be left wandering why U get it handed to you. Certainly couldnt have anything to do with the 80additional RWTQ I got. Iam not a bragger so til we meet.:D

[SC Cheesehead]

To all of us SC'd folk out in Marauderland...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWopfEJq48&feature=related

;) -------> :D

[LANDY]

Here we ago for millionth time!!! You can give me every dam stastic in the world it matters absoloutley 0 to me. For one simple fact.Take a roots and install,Take a vortech both set up for 20psi strictly blower kit no supporting mods. The Vortech will end up on the bottom.. Go ahead and tell me all youre facts I heard multiple times before. Tell ya what Iam gonna be visting my brother in shreveport next summer by then Ill have been able to get my car dialed in at new track here. Lets meet then in that area then at a track Id feel better showing in person all the true benefits of a roots. Take youre stall out of equation & it would be even easier. Ive owned 2 Vortech Marauder's loved them both and kow the Whipple for choice. Plain and simple you need other mods to improve 60ft times, I have 3.55's still,stock stall. I like Vortech's had 4 if I didnt like them That wouldnt of happened. Frankly Iam tired of you always bring this FACT sheet up, Id be curious was there one Vortch'd On youre list with out a stall? doubtful. Are cars appear Very close in#'s I guess Ill be left wandering why U get it handed to you. Certainly couldnt have anything to do with the 80additional RWTQ I got. Iam not a bragger so til we meet.:D
I totally agree, a roots style blower upgrade on a stock mm will always be quicker then just a centrifugal blower on a stock mm.

[SC Cheesehead]

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[ROCOB]

:confused:
For several years the only MM with a sub 1.6 60' was a Vortech Cent. Wow how did that happen?
Power is power and Traction is Traction.

How man humans can discern the difference in 1.65 vs 1.70?

I got the the 1/4 times of an Eaton with the same gears, TC and tires as me. Our 1/4 mile times including the 60' were interchangable. By just looking at the 1/4 mile Spread Sheets we could not tell whose times were whose. We both have over 150 1/4 runs and a lot of wins.

There is still a lot of BS Myths out there. One look at the Time Slip Page brings it all into perspective.

Timeslipe data from a Vortec and Eaton. Same gears, tires, exhaust, TC, Eaton 12.5psi and Vortec10psi. Can you pick which is which?

1.704 5.089 7.942 85.53 10.438 12.554 106.67
1.741 5.096 7.924 86.4 10.399 12.501 107.33
1.702 5.046 7.886 85.7 10.383 12.511 105.89
1.691 5.025 7.852 86.34 10.328 12.426 107.56
1.745 5.096 7.883 87.13 10.329 12.391 109.4
1.748 5.114 7.907 86.9 10.358 12.427 109.03
1.72 5.047 7.822 88.15 10.272 12.333 109.52
1.716 5.019 7.79 87.37 10.237 12.3 109.38
1.744 5.098 7.894 86.79 10.355 12.431 108.69
1.69 5.221 8.051 86.58 10.514 12.921 108.65


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Originally Posted by sailsmen http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1093110#post1 093110)
The Air to Air has no heat exchanger, intercooler pump, reservoir and associated plumbing. Several have blown engines due to intercooler pump failure. Some Vortec's cannot be operated below 25*, however they have a number of different Vortec models, just check to make sure that is not an issue.

When the Trilogy was being developed the 4:10s were installed for a lower ET at the drag strip by Trilogy.

For two years the lowest 60' time was a Vortec Centrifugal. Whats on a Dyno and whats real world are not the same

Vortec vs Trilogy Real World Data!
One MM was Vortec and one MM was Eaton. Both had same gears and tires. Vortec 10psi and Eaton 12.5psi. Vortec 3,500 PI. Vortec had 55,000 miles and Eaton 15,000.

I line up next to a beautiful red MM. This is the first MM I have ever lined up against. I get in the zone.

My r/t is .091 to his .144, ahead by .053, yahoo! Then I open up, my 60’ is 1.867 to his 2.151, ahead by .284. I feel the S/C winding up, my 330’ is 5.385 to his 5.681, ahead by .296. I know he is got to be there but I don’t know where. Then the 1/8 is 8.285 to his 8.590 ahead by .305.

I know that red beauty is charging on me, my 1,000’ is 10.832 to his 11.130, he closed to .298! Fortunately the ¼ comes up and my ET is 12.985 @104.72 to his 13.290 @104.31.

Wow, I crossed first by .3580!

Timeslipe data from a Vortec and Trilogy. Same gears, tires, exhaust, TC, Eaton 12.5psi and Vortec 10psi. Can you pick which is which?

1.704 5.089 7.942 85.53 10.438 12.554 106.67
1.741 5.096 7.924 86.4 10.399 12.501 107.33
1.702 5.046 7.886 85.7 10.383 12.511 105.89
1.691 5.025 7.852 86.34 10.328 12.426 107.56
1.745 5.096 7.883 87.13 10.329 12.391 109.4
1.748 5.114 7.907 86.9 10.358 12.427 109.03
1.72 5.047 7.822 88.15 10.272 12.333 109.52
1.716 5.019 7.79 87.37 10.237 12.3 109.38
1.744 5.098 7.894 86.79 10.355 12.431 108.69
1.69 5.221 8.051 86.58 10.514 12.921 108.65
Stock Trilogy 388RWHP/369RWTQ

Stock + the Trilogy and + the Vortec both ran 12.9-13.3 depending on temps. As far as the Trilogy providing more low end Torque the 60' times show no descernable difference.

Can you tell which is which? The kits are so close in any given race it will come down to the driver every time.
I cannot tell which is my Cent and which is the Eaton. What this proves it that from a dead stop by the 60' there is no measurable difference. Maybe there is a difference for the first 20'?

I have owned a Cent and an Eaton. I have over 140K on my MM of which 100K is with a Cent. Another member has over 240K of which over 120K is Cent.
The purpose of my post is to dispel some of the myths about a PD vs Cent. I posted real world data. FYI, A stock MM with only a Cent and a stock MM with only a Trilogy run identical 1/4 mile times. That is with the Cent having an OEM TC. For several years the lowest 60' time was held by a Cent. In my post above with the 1/4 data both the Cent and the PD had the same TC with the same 60'. In the race against the other PD MM it was in the 1st 1/8 of the 1/4 that I gained but I lost in the last 1/8 of the 1/4.

If you compare a Dyno Graph of a Cent to a PD you will think for the Cent I had better open the door and push with my foot to get it rolling and for the PD I better get a 30 speed trans and learn to shift really well. Neither is true because a Dyno graph is just that a display of a measurement.



Hey Billy,

I need a little help here. I am having trouble following your post. More than once you say it the TCs are the same, however; you say early in the post that the vortec combo has a 3500 PI. I am not trying to be critical, it is just an observation.

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Once again, in the original post with the same time sheet information, you state more than once the torque converters are the same.

Back in September when you posted the same data, you said the vortec combo has a 3500 PI, which is it? I do not notice the 3500 PI being mentioned this time. I am not on a witch hunt here, nor am I trying to run this thing into the ground ad nauseum, however I am very confident that you are a very technical minded individual that appreciates objective data and facts. I am simply seeking clarification sir. :beer:

[nyinterceptor]

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[SC Cheesehead]

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[BODYMAN]

I totally agree, a roots style blower upgrade on a stock mm will always be quicker then just a centrifugal blower on a stock mm.

Thank you Landy,That is my point. I never bring this up in a half page post everytime. Myself I feelike he has to constantly defend why he has a Vortech:dunno:. In a absoloute race set up a properly set up Vortech is simply awesome they are topend beast's. But for the one's of us who enjoy simple sprited driving and not having to get it over 3400rpm to feel watch you got. Drive both and decide which you prefer. It's not always about 1/4 mile racing cause if it was I wouldnt have sold a bad ass Fox Body I had.

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[Fourth Horseman]

Do you mind telling me how much did they set you back? Just so I could have an idea when I go in for mine.

It's not cheap. At my dealership service center it was five hours of time at $105 an hour. If you don't bring them all the parts (bearings, etc.) then you'll need to pay them for those as well.

Oh, and just for the record, I've got a Vortech on my Marauder and I also feel that a positive displacement blower kicks you in the butt faster off the line. That said, I think there are a lot of great reasons to go with a centrifugal blower like a Vortech or ProCharger. I don't regret my purchase at all. I've got a 3500 stall converter and 4.10:1 gears in back and digging out of the hole traction is always an issue. Not sure I'm a good enough driver to handle much more off-the-line punch. :)

[nyinterceptor]

Going in tomorrow to a local mustang shop, $500 installed. Cant wait ;)

[BODYMAN]

It's not cheap. At my dealership service center it was five hours of time at $105 an hour. If you don't bring them all the parts (bearings, etc.) then you'll need to pay them for those as well.

Oh, and just for the record, I've got a Vortech on my Marauder and I also feel that a positive displacement blower kicks you in the butt faster off the line. That said, I think there are a lot of great reasons to go with a centrifugal blower like a Vortech or ProCharger. I don't regret my purchase at all. I've got a 3500 stall converter and 4.10:1 gears in back and digging out of the hole traction is always an issue. Not sure I'm a good enough driver to handle much more off-the-line punch. :)

100% agree all of them are great blowers. In a perfect world there would be a perfect blower lol

[ROCOB]

It's not cheap. At my dealership service center it was five hours of time at $105 an hour. If you don't bring them all the parts (bearings, etc.) then you'll need to pay them for those as well.

Oh, and just for the record, I've got a Vortech on my Marauder and I also feel that a positive displacement blower kicks you in the butt faster off the line. That said, I think there are a lot of great reasons to go with a centrifugal blower like a Vortech or ProCharger. I don't regret my purchase at all. I've got a 3500 stall converter and 4.10:1 gears in back and digging out of the hole traction is always an issue. Not sure I'm a good enough driver to handle much more off-the-line punch. :)



I have owned three so far, bone stock, procharged, and now a trilogy. The procharged one had 3:55s and the trilogy has 4:10s. I surprised a few people with the procharged merc (especially on the big end), but the trilogy with 4:10s is a different animal. Both of my cars, the procharged and the trilogy, had stock converters, but the procharged one needed the 4:10s and a loose converter in my opinion. I have considered going with 3:55s with my trilogy. My cars rarely see the track and are street driven. the point I was making with my earlier post was simple, gears and a converter for a snail are generally needed vs a PD blower. Sailsmen has posted about the differences more than once and I was seeking clarification from him.

ps Fourth Horseman- great wheels:beer:

[Fourth Horseman]

I have owned three so far, bone stock, procharged, and now a trilogy. The procharged one had 3:55s and the trilogy has 4:10s. I surprised a few people with the procharged merc (especially on the big end), but the trilogy with 4:10s is a different animal. Both of my cars, the procharged and the trilogy, had stock converters, but the procharged one needed the 4:10s and a loose converter in my opinion. I have considered going with 3:55s with my trilogy. My cars rarely see the track and are street driven. the point I was making with my earlier post was simple, gears and a converter for a snail are generally needed vs a PD blower. Sailsmen has posted about the differences more than once and I was seeking clarification from him.

ps Fourth Horseman- great wheels:beer:

Thanks! ;)

And I think that's fair to say about a converter and shorter gears being more necessary for a centrifugal s/c. I already had 4.10:1 gears on my car when it was n/a, so I never got to see what it would be like with the Vortech and the stock 3.55:1 ratio. However, I did notice a nice improvement with off-the-line performance after I installed the higher stall converter.

[LANDY]

So Billy why didn't you showed up to the shootout? I was patiently waiting.

[sailsmen]

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The Air to Air has no heat exchanger, intercooler pump, reservoir and associated plumbing. Several have blown engines due to intercooler pump failure. Some Vortec's cannot be operated below 25*, however they have a number of different Vortec models, just check to make sure that is not an issue.

When the Trilogy was being developed the 4:10s were installed for a lower ET at the drag strip by Trilogy.

For two years the lowest 60' time was a Vortec Centrifugal. Whats on a Dyno and whats real world are not the same

Vortec vs Trilogy Real World Data!
One MM was Vortec and one MM was Eaton. Both had same gears and tires. Vortec 10psi and Eaton 12.5psi. Vortec 3,500 PI. Vortec had 55,000 miles and Eaton 15,000.

I line up next to a beautiful red MM. This is the first MM I have ever lined up against. I get in the zone.

My r/t is .091 to his .144, ahead by .053, yahoo! Then I open up, my 60’ is 1.867 to his 2.151, ahead by .284. I feel the S/C winding up, my 330’ is 5.385 to his 5.681, ahead by .296. I know he is got to be there but I don’t know where. Then the 1/8 is 8.285 to his 8.590 ahead by .305.

I know that red beauty is charging on me, my 1,000’ is 10.832 to his 11.130, he closed to .298! Fortunately the ¼ comes up and my ET is 12.985 @104.72 to his 13.290 @104.31.

Wow, I crossed first by .3580!

Timeslipe data from a Vortec and Trilogy. Same gears, tires, exhaust, TC, Eaton 12.5psi and Vortec 10psi. Can you pick which is which?

1.704 5.089 7.942 85.53 10.438 12.554 106.67
1.741 5.096 7.924 86.4 10.399 12.501 107.33
1.702 5.046 7.886 85.7 10.383 12.511 105.89
1.691 5.025 7.852 86.34 10.328 12.426 107.56
1.745 5.096 7.883 87.13 10.329 12.391 109.4
1.748 5.114 7.907 86.9 10.358 12.427 109.03
1.72 5.047 7.822 88.15 10.272 12.333 109.52
1.716 5.019 7.79 87.37 10.237 12.3 109.38
1.744 5.098 7.894 86.79 10.355 12.431 108.69
1.69 5.221 8.051 86.58 10.514 12.921 108.65
Stock Trilogy 388RWHP/369RWTQ

Stock + the Trilogy and + the Vortec both ran 12.9-13.3 depending on temps. As far as the Trilogy providing more low end Torque the 60' times show no descernable difference.

Can you tell which is which? The kits are so close in any given race it will come down to the driver every time.
I cannot tell which is my Cent and which is the Eaton. What this proves it that from a dead stop by the 60' there is no measurable difference. Maybe there is a difference for the first 20'?

I have owned a Cent and an Eaton. I have over 140K on my MM of which 100K is with a Cent. Another member has over 240K of which over 120K is Cent.
The purpose of my post is to dispel some of the myths about a PD vs Cent. I posted real world data. FYI, A stock MM with only a Cent and a stock MM with only a Trilogy run identical 1/4 mile times. That is with the Cent having an OEM TC. For several years the lowest 60' time was held by a Cent. In my post above with the 1/4 data both the Cent and the PD had the same TC with the same 60'. In the race against the other PD MM it was in the 1st 1/8 of the 1/4 that I gained but I lost in the last 1/8 of the 1/4.

If you compare a Dyno Graph of a Cent to a PD you will think for the Cent I had better open the door and push with my foot to get it rolling and for the PD I better get a 30 speed trans and learn to shift really well. Neither is true because a Dyno graph is just that a display of a measurement.



Hey Billy,

I need a little help here. I am having trouble following your post. More than once you say it the TCs are the same, however; you say early in the post that the vortec combo has a 3500 PI. I am not trying to be critical, it is just an observation.

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Once again, in the original post with the same time sheet information, you state more than once the torque converters are the same.

Back in September when you posted the same data, you said the vortec combo has a 3500 PI, which is it? I do not notice the 3500 PI being mentioned this time. I am not on a witch hunt here, nor am I trying to run this thing into the ground ad nauseum, however I am very confident that you are a very technical minded individual that appreciates objective data and facts. I am simply seeking clarification sir. :beer:

The answer is 2 different Trilogy MMs, ("...with the 1/4 data both the Cent and the PD.." and "In the race against the other PD MM.."). I thought that was clear by specifying 2 different set ups. One example is a race I had against a Red Trilogy MM and the other example is the time slip data that another Black Trilogy MM gave to me. I also raced this Black Trilogy MM but that is not in the above example.

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Stock + Trilogy = 13.1 to 13.2. I think Lidio's best was 12.9.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15030&highlight=trilogy+stock+times