Trilogy 241 project

[Odinson]

Hi

Sorry to start a new thread, but I wanted someplace I could keep track of my projects. Quite a few. Been taking my MM a lot more seriously lately. It's got 65k and I now have a beater (a Subaru forester) so babying it is now possible.

It's at the body shop right now (just dropped off the refurbished bumper.) Probably have in it back for the new year.

Here she is. before. You can see some of the crappy repair job clear coat peeling on the front bumper.

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Bought a trilogy kit for it, #241. Still waiting on parts. New year I hope. Of course I bought a jacket too. :)

I'll be getting the Trilogy installed and dyno tuned at JDM.

I brought to the dealer, and the tranny shop before the trilogy install to give it the once over. Clean bill of health. Flushed the tranny fluid and the antifreeze. Ended up replacing one bank of coil on plugs at the dealer will have the other done at JDM.

Just discovered Vinylex. I want to spray it on everything. Stuff is awesome!

Just got a custom license plate 'LSTPNTHR'

A while ago I got taxi bumper guards. You can see the one in the front. When the body work is done I will putting the rears on. Should have done that BEFORE the bumper got trashed.

Just brought it to the dyno with the newschoolmuscle group. 240hp and 270tq. Bone stock.

This car was in a crash before I owned it (and mostly repaired) and has been through 3 years and 30k as a daily driver with 2 small kids, street parking, many snow storms and a move. Lets see how she does on easy street.

Oh and I think my original motorcraft battery is about to give up. Pretty good run I'd say. :)

:burnout:

[Odinson]

Oh and when I told my 5 yo I wanted to get a plate that said last panther, he said I should also paint the Subaru orange with black stripes!

LOL.:lol:

http://images19.fotki.com/v193/photos/2/1464932/8887509/003-vi.jpg

[DEFYANT]

Subscribing. Congrats and welcome to the world of boost - eventually. I am sure your Marauder will settle in nicely into a new routine of rest and relaxation!

[DOOM]

Git er done!!!

Start saving now for new rear tires!!! :drive: :burn: :burnout:

[Gryphonzus]

Hey Doom how about we buy stock in your tire company would we get discounts?

[Mr. Man]

Good luck with the project. I have mixed feelings about the bumperettes. I see you live in a very urban area and lots of dummies that probably routinely bump into you but on the other hand they there bumperettes.:)

[DOOM]

Hey Doom how about we buy stock in your tire company would we get discounts?

Goodyear stopped producing them! :depress: :alone:

I guess I burnt them alls up! :shake:

[Blackened300a]

Hey Matt, looking forward to seeing your new found power in the very near future!

[ctrlraven]

Stock tq number seems kind of high, most bone stocks dyno out 250-260 ft lbs tq @ the rear wheel. HP is spot on since the range is 235-245rwhp.

Congrats on the Trilogy!

[Spectragod]

Git er done!!!

Start saving now for new rear tires!!! :drive: :burn: :burnout:

And a forged long block, and a built transmission, and a big brake kit, and lots-O-tires for the rear.:D

[Odinson]

Oooops, I guess I put it in the wrong place. Sorry.

So here are the dyno numbers as printed out...

12/3/11
237.95,274.89
236.98,258.69
239.72,255.60

So I rounded a bit. I was surprised by the high horsepower too. Was expecting a little lower. I do take careful care of it. Couple of scares but I usually keep it under 2k cold and shut down the engine at the first sign of possible trouble. She has some scars but eats and lives healthy.

I'll post pics of the old rear bumper off the car when the paint work is done. It looked like a mirror when I got it and three years later, destroyed. Compare that with the front which you see above. Fortunately I like bull bars, metal guards etc. I got a rear bumper guard like this...

http://www.taxidepot.com/servlet/the-38/taxi-security-taxi-safety/Detail

...sitting around. Will cut the connecting poles out and mount the vertical bars wider out. Seen this config on a couple of taxis and it looks much more sporty. Of course there will be pics.

Was thinking about Willwoods, but I want to see how it drives first. Most of my cars got some kind of brake upgrade, but the MM's brakes are fine for stock. Most people seem to be saying stock transmissions are safe to about 500hp? Don't expect to go near that on this engine.

[Odinson]

So this thread is not dead, though it may seem like it. Got the word my car will finally get pulled into the paint shop in the next 24 hrs. It's been sitting in their lockup this whole time! :loco: Apparently the entire crew has been sick. DOH! :dunno:

Got the Trilogy kit in the mail!!! :) Surprisingly heavy but i realize that some of that weight will be swapped not added. Should get a chance to open it up this weekend and rifle through the parts before the install. Planning my play time is no small feat with a 1 and 5 year old wandering through the house. Don't want any parts to end up in one of many toyboxes.

Have an appointment with JDM a week from tomorrow for dropoff. :burnout:That is assuming that the marauder isn't still in pieces at the paint shop. DOH!

I got the custom plates in the mail. :) :beer:

I have permission to sneak into the shop and take pictures of the car mid paint. With luck there will be something to see tomorrow.

[guspech750]

Sweeeeeeet. Pictures!! Pictures!! Pictures!!


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[Talal DTR MM]

So this thread is not dead, though it may seem like it. Got the word my car will finally get pulled into the paint shop in the next 24 hrs. It's been sitting in their lockup this whole time! :loco: Apparently the entire crew has been sick. DOH! :dunno:

Got the Trilogy kit in the mail!!! :) Surprisingly heavy but i realize that some of that weight will be swapped not added. Should get a chance to open it up this weekend and rifle through the parts before the install. Planning my play time is no small feat with a 1 and 5 year old wandering through the house. Don't want any parts to end up in one of many toyboxes.

Have an appointment with JDM a week from tomorrow for dropoff. :burnout:That is assuming that the marauder isn't still in pieces at the paint shop. DOH!

I got the custom plates in the mail. :) :beer:

I have permission to sneak into the shop and take pictures of the car mid paint. With luck there will be something to see tomorrow.

Good luck. Waiting more pics.

[Juice]

Make sure you do a part inventory. I was had some missing/wrong parts.

I thought my car was kind of a b!tch before, but now all she does is whine. ;)

[Odinson]

They are finally working on the car! hurray. Ask me how I know? They broke the back windshield. DOH! Apparently it was glued down too much to compensate for a dent (near the ledge) in the roof? Never saw such a dent, but I am trying to be optimistic here.

Oh and the bumpers are off.

Going to try and get down there Wednesday and take some pics.

[Odinson]

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[Odinson]

Little something to keep you (and me) entertained while the body shop slogs away.

My engine 'before' picture. Forgot I took this.

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[Odinson]

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[bugsyc]

Where abouts in N.Y. are you? I'm formerly from Howard Beach,Queens...It can be a job in itself to get a good mechanic to do anything in a timely manner...Talk to Blackened 300A..Another New Yorker and very knowledgeable...Good luck with your project....bugsy

[Odinson]

I'm in Little Neck. Blackened 300A actually suggested I go JDM. :) Barring the unbelievable, I should be dropping the car off for supercharger install this weekend.

I had heard about Paul Petrone so I have reason to think they will do it right. Looking good so far. Very clean shop.

[Odinson]

Who's ready for some Marauder porn?

[Odinson]

Hey what's that blindingly shiny thing on that TV...
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[Odinson]

Prrrrrr
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Grrrrrrr
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Managed at least one drive without crashing into anything.
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Tomorrow JDM...
Or shoveling snow...
Or both... :eek:

[Siege]

It looks like they did a great job!

[Odinson]

Thanks! I think so. Better than expected. Pissed that it's getting snowed on right now. Eventually the Marauder will probably go in the garage, but unfortunately that's impossible right now.

[Blackened300a]

Thanks! I think so. Better than expected. Pissed that it's getting snowed on right now. Eventually the Marauder will probably go in the garage, but unfortunately that's impossible right now.

Very nice! Who did the paint work?

[DOOM]

Hows the progress??? :popcorn:

[Odinson]

These guys did the paint work.
http://paulpetrone.com/

Hey Blackened did I see your marauder zipping up the Cross Island going north by Little Neck bay about 4:45. Saw a nice Marauder right as I was about to get home from JDM. Amazing how much more our cars stand out than 3 years ago now.

Oh yeah JDM. So I dropped it off today. Some salt stains on the car. They said they would hose it off. Car is waxed and rims protected with s100 so it should be fine if they do.

They are convinced they can do a better tune than stock trilogy so I said load the Trilogy, then call me and tell me what you think. We kicked around the 450 number for a bit. I'm having the stock driveshaft rebalanced. Doubt I'll take it over 120, but it'll be nice to know I can. Glad I wrote this up almost forgot to tell him to change the other bank of COPs.

Interesting conversation about the 5.0s apparently lots of guys with fox body mustangs are ordering crate motors and building an army of sleepers. Just a matter of time before it happens with a Marauder IMO.

BTW, good lunch over at the Park Ave Grill on Main St, if you are over that way.

So with Luck I will have it back 2/18. Maybe I'll even get to see the dyno test for myself.

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My 1 year old's art work on the Trilogy box. It was in the Dining room for a couple of months. IMO he's the future motorhead of my two sons.
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More as it comes. Thanks for subscribing! :)

[Odinson]

For people who ask me what lstpnthr means.

http://www.examiner.com/automotive-in-kansas-city/the-2003-2004-mercury-marauder-may-be-the-last-of-the-full-sized-full-frame-factory-hot-rods

Marauder was the last car with a frame. You know like the kind you run zombies and terminators over with in the
movies? That's what last panther really means. Last new car that can get in bar fight and go back to drinking when it's
over.

Of course present company excluded. *sigh*

[guspech750]

Sweeeeeeeet!! Looking forward to pics and info.


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[Odinson]

Got a call from JDM. Got to work today, apparently they are nearly done! Crap I can't get there until Sat.

Trilogy 90% installed.
second bank of COPs - done.
Not sure about the ETA on the driveshaft balancing.
Idler pully and springs on main pully - replaced.
main gasket is cracking, to be replaced.
Other than that, engine looks good.
Probably start mucking about with a tune tomorrow.

Oh and of all things, trilogy forgot the main drive belt in the kit. LOL.

Wow can I spend money fast or what! :high5::burn:

[justbob]

Yeah, these T kits are a breeze to install. You'll love it. Question, stock pulley on the T? Stock MAF and air box? Just a T Kit only? Your numbers with a good tune will probably more around 420. Lidio says it's perfectly safe to add a Cold air kit OR a 3.2 pulley on the Trilogy tune. Trilogies tune is usally 365-385 depending on many factors, weather and sea level just to name two, not to mention every dyno is different.

Good luck, soon you'll be looking for MORE!

[Odinson]

Yeah, these T kits are a breeze to install. You'll love it. Question, stock pulley on the T? Stock MAF and air box? Just a T Kit only? Your numbers with a good tune will probably more around 420. Lidio says it's perfectly safe to add a Cold air kit OR a 3.2 pulley on the Trilogy tune. Trilogies tune is usally 365-385 depending on many factors, weather and sea level just to name two, not to mention every dyno is different.

Good luck, soon you'll be looking for MORE!

Cool. JDM thinks they can squeeze even more. I said call me if looks like you'll go over 450.

[Odinson]

OK kit is fully installed. On it's initial run a problem was discovered. alternator charge is weak. Seems it got worse after the pulley was flipped. A new alternator is being ordered. Hopefully that's it. Maybe dyno tuning tomorrow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-JQksYxgM0&feature=related

[justbob]

OK kit is fully installed. On it's initial run a problem was discovered. alternator charge is weak. Seems it got worse after the pulley was flipped. A new alternator is being ordered. Hopefully that's it. Maybe dyno tuning tomorrow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-JQksYxgM0&feature=related

I've heard of some bad things using the supplied splices for the Alt. Cable, maybe this has been fixed, maybe it was the installers? Anyways, I and some others used screw down style block electrical splices from Home depot. Been years of trouble free miles. I think BradleyG even had to replace his entire engine harness from a alt. short from the extension? Maybe something unrelated, but doubtful.

[Odinson]

Thanks justbob! Called JDM, seems they did test it to the alternator. Not the splice.

But I'll watch out for that in the future.

At least I'll have a spare (broken) alternator with good bearings to swap WHEN the new stock replacement inevitably burns out. My understanding is that is the one known problem Trilogy actually cites as a design problem.

[Odinson]

Oh wow...


:banana2:

[Odinson]

omgwtf.

The second time I nailed the gas when I left JDM I did a burnout from zero to FIFTY. I did a burnout all the way to the NYC wide speed limit.

Once the tires actually caught I had to take my foot right of the gas. That was even scarier.

No ****. Holy crap. Heeeeeeelllll yes!!!! My car is reborn.
:burnout:


Must. build. shed. to. store. more. tires.

[guspech750]

omgwtf.

The second time I nailed the gas when I left JDM I did a burnout from zero to FIFTY. I did a burnout all the way to the NYC wide speed limit.

Once the tires actually caught I had to take my foot right of the gas. That was even scarier.

No ****. Holy crap. Heeeeeeelllll yes!!!! My car is reborn.
:burnout:


Must. build. shed. to. store. more. tires.
Welcome to the wonderful world of BOOST!!
Hey!! No pics? WTF;)
What was the final hp/tq numbers?

:burnout:



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[Odinson]

Here are some pics of the paint job, waxed.

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Here is my helper with the wash and wax. He's actually quite good. Maxx is the Trilogy box artist BTW.

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Here it is on the dyno at JDM. We showed up a little early.

[guspech750]

Looking great man!!


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[Odinson]

Here is the hood cleaned up. JDM did very good work on cleaning up the wiring and such.

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Here's our second stop. Had to calm my adrenaline with a giant coffee! The dude is my friend and potential bail agent.

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Here's the first stop across the street from JDM. Trilogy supercharged MM, better than chocolate!
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Here is an enhanced pic at the body shop. This is my desktop background now.

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[MOTOWN]

Lookin good bud, i likey!!

[Odinson]

Lots of details and questions about the trilogy.

The car dynoed with the Trilogy stock setup and tune at 340hp 350tq. Remember my car was bone stock to start with. Turns out the MAF was the bottleneck. upgraded the 80 to a 90MM and connected it to the stock box. Then they were able to get 395rwhp and 395rwtq with JDM tune. A little disappointing on paper but not on the street. None the less I have some room to play.

Trilogy failed to include any belts. They are checked off in the check list, but were not in there. Simply bought the belts to keep things moving. I think everything else was there.

JDM did not install the boost gauge as part of the install, I'm assuming this is because there was no place to install it.

Car is very quiet. Sounds, bone stock. Total sleeper. I pity the fool. Boost isn't audible until 2400 and isn't obvious till 3000rpm. Then it and squealing tires are all you hear. Errie and wraith like.

JDM folks do NOT like boost-a-pump. They make a good point that if the BAP fails under boost, your engine will die, unlike a beefier fuel pump where you'll just stall. Problem is they don't know if you can get a stronger drop in pump. Looking into it. They said they tuned the advance timing 12 degrees and could do 2 more degrees, but won't with a strong pump (vs BAP) solution. Torn on this as MM folks seem to be cool with BAP. I can throw a little more money at the car and will do the fuel pump if they can find one. If not, not sure.

Oh, got to see the worlds fastest super-stock super-cobra-jet in person 1000hp 5.4. Very clean!

So has anyone actually used a drop in replacement fuel pump with more flow in lua of boost-a-pump or does it just not exist? What brand? How's has it worked out?

Also you may have noticed #241 is not numbered!! :eek: Has this happened to anyone else? Do I have the only anonymous Trilogy out there? Should I chisel it in myself?

Thanks so much Paul. JDM was a great recommendation. Not cheap, but I would have been at it for months if I did it myself. They know their stuff.:beer:

[Odinson]

So what's the bottle neck holding me back from that 450 mark? Air or fuel? Is the 90mm MAF sensor all I'll ever need with this engine? Really like to get her down into the 12s range, I'm guessing that won't happen at 396.

Anyone running more than a 90mm MAF and Boost-A-Pump with the stock pump at 450hp?

Any ideas why Trilogy didn't come with a 90mm MAF? I realize most people running CAI. Is it a physical thing? Is that tube on the front of my airbox?

This car will still be on DD duty, BTW.

[Odinson]

Oh and took the wife and kids for a drive last night. Did this epic burnout across a 6 lane highway (unintentionally.) Just trying get across quick and mashed it too hard.

Both kids slept right through it. How can you not love that. :)

[CBT]

Oh and took the wife and kids for a drive last night. Did this epic burnout across a 6 lane highway (unintentionally.) Just trying get across quick and mashed it too hard.

Both kids slept right through it. How can you not love that. :)

Dibs on your floormats.

[Spectragod]

Anyone running more than a 90mm MAF and Boost-A-Pump with the stock pump at 450hp?

This car will still be on DD duty, BTW.

I was using a 80mm Pro M maf & BAP with the stock fuel pump, I dyno's @ 472RWHP with a twin screw, I think much more than 450 on a stock short block and your days will be numbered.

I have a 90mm MAF now, with a Focus SVT pump & BAP, dyno's @ 521/526tq, I also changed a few other things. Also, my T.S. is not numbered.

[Odinson]

Dibs on your floormats.


I'm not dead yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

[Odinson]

Cool OK thought all the trilogy's were numbered. Cool point of interest.

Been on the site for 4 years never heard of BAP dying and taking an engine with it.

Actually don't think I've even heard of a dead BAP.

Guess I'm looking at conventional mods to get the HP. Exhaust and intake.

Kinda liked it all sneaky and quiet.

[babbage]

Add longtube headers and you'll be right at 450

[Odinson]

You mean like this?

http://www.stainlessworks.net/products/headers/2003-2004-mercury-marauder-headers-and-lead-pipes-w-cats.html

I always though headers had a very short life, but apparently these are warranted for the life of the car!

http://www.stainlessworks.net/support/warranty.html

I'm guessing I'll need another tune after I install them...

[sailsmen]

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JDM folks do NOT like boost-a-pump. They make a good point that if the BAP fails under boost, your engine will die, unlike a beefier fuel pump where you'll just stall. ........:beer:

The point they maybe making is generally less systems and less likely hood of a failure.

Different tuners have different safety parameters. What is safe for one tuner is not safe for another.

[Odinson]

Cool I get it. So sounds like JDM tune deeply trusts that fuel pressure will not suddenly drop in an unexpected way. My understanding is if that happened under boost the engine would go way lean, fail to fire, and unburnt fuel would start blowing up at crazy times.

Nah. Rather not do that.

One of these days, at an odd time, dictated by the whims of my 5 year old I'm sure, I begin to study their tune. I'd love to at least see what options there are.

Be nice if I could make the downshift just a little more aggressive. Seems very close to stock still, just less painful with the absurd extra power.

[CBT]

Car looks great, man. Can't beat a new paint job and a super charger. :beer:

[guspech750]

On my Eaton swap. I'm at 10-11lbs of boost. 3" upper pulley with a 2lb lower pulley. SVT Focus pump and a BAP. 400rwhp 410tq. Stock block. Stock exhaust.


Oh yeah. 90mm MAF too.

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[BODYMAN]

What exhuast you got? LT's are gonna add a good amount! I was making just under 500 rwhp with a GT pump & 40amp bap. with a 90mm maf and those 2 fuel components are good for 500 what kinda boost you making? Forgive me if already mentioned I didnt read the whole thread. 450 on a safe tune will keep youre stock motor fine for a long while.

[BODYMAN]

Cool OK thought all the trilogy's were numbered. Cool point of interest.

Been on the site for 4 years never heard of BAP dying and taking an engine with it.

Actually don't think I've even heard of a dead BAP.

Guess I'm looking at conventional mods to get the HP. Exhaust and intake.

Kinda liked it all sneaky and quiet.

I have only heard f one bap failing and eating a motor as a result. However I like there thought on the BAP ive never been a fan of them and plan to go full return fuel system to be able to say goodbye to it (bap).

[sailsmen]

Cool I get it. So sounds like JDM tune deeply trusts that fuel pressure will not suddenly drop in an unexpected way. My understanding is if that happened under boost the engine would go way lean, fail to fire, and unburnt fuel would start blowing up at crazy times.

Nah. Rather not do that.

One of these days, at an odd time, dictated by the whims of my 5 year old I'm sure, I begin to study their tune. I'd love to at least see what options there are.

Be nice if I could make the downshift just a little more aggressive. Seems very close to stock still, just less painful with the absurd extra power.

Incorrect. I think what JDM maybe saying is a stock fuel pump plus Boost-A-Pump is 2 systems and 2 sytems are more than twice as likely to fail as putting in a fuel pump that can provide the fuel pressure with out a Boost-A-Pump. The best way is to install the fuel pump that is designed for the job.

If Boost-A-Pump fails on my set up the car will not run lean but the duty cycle is too high for the safety parameters that the tuner would allow.
If my Meth system fails on my car the engine will also not blow. My Meth is primarily set up so as not to pull timing when the ambient is high.

[Blackened300a]

Hey Matt, So happy to hear the results of your install! 396rwhp is a great number. Remember that you have NO supporting mods along with this. You are running the stock airbox and stock exhaust. Your number's sound right on par with what you would get just bolting a blower on a stock engine. Look at it this way, you made 240rwhp and 270rwtq with no mods, now you have 396 rwhp and 396rwtq that's a additional 156rwhp and 126rwtq. That's a major jump considering nothing else was done to your engine besides the trilogy. I understand where JDM is coming from about the boost a pump, but there are in-tank pump options that should be installed with your set-up. That will allow them to run some more timing to get you over the 400rwhp mark safely.

Congrats again, we'll have to meet up one day so I can see your ride.

[LANDY]

I have only heard f one bap failing and eating a motor as a result. However I like there thought on the BAP ive never been a fan of them and plan to go full return fuel system to be able to say goodbye to it (bap).Lack of gauges and attention are the main cause for engine failure when a voltage booster for a fuel pump goes bad.
To the OP: invest on an aeroforce gauge and a wideband, listen to your engine at wot religiously. Get a Ford GT fuel pump and a BAP with a k&n or jlt CAI as and you should see low to mid 400rwhp and 12 sec timeslips as long as you have good tires.

[justbob]

Congrats! I dynoed at 445 with only a 90 MM MAF, a MAFia, and a conical air filter three years ago. Every tuner is different. My stock pump gave out off and on for almost six months and I think the BAP is what saved me! Hard to diagnose when erratic... You could also go with a Walbro GSS342 pump. Mine has been running strong for two years now with the BAP.

[Odinson]

Hey Matt, So happy to hear the results of your install! 396rwhp is a great number. Remember that you have NO supporting mods along with this. You are running the stock airbox and stock exhaust. Your number's sound right on par with what you would get just bolting a blower on a stock engine. Look at it this way, you made 240rwhp and 270rwtq with no mods, now you have 396 rwhp and 396rwtq that's a additional 156rwhp and 126rwtq. That's a major jump considering nothing else was done to your engine besides the trilogy. I understand where JDM is coming from about the boost a pump, but there are in-tank pump options that should be installed with your set-up. That will allow them to run some more timing to get you over the 400rwhp mark safely.

Congrats again, we'll have to meet up one day so I can see your ride.

OMFG you don't have to convince me. JDM and Trilogy did great. Love the whole sleeper thing. Holy cow NOBODY knows what hit em. Did grampa just lap me?

Finally got to take it out by myself last night.:bounce::rock::uzi:

It's like having a genie drive your car.
"Genie 60 please."
And you are going 60 faster than you can say please.:banana:

I like the longtube header option since it's simple. Simple doesn't break right?

Sounds like pump options are as follows...
Stock and BAP (current)
Walbro GSS342 (BAP needed)
SVT Focus pump and a BAP

What was Ford's logic sticking the pump in the tank anyway? Seems so much simpler as an external unit.

Unless JDM has a pump up their sleeves looks like headers. They can rig up a dual pump setup but that costs $$$. I'll give them a call. Thanks!


"Car looks great, man. Can't beat a new paint job and a super charger. :beer: :) She deserves it. Living though full crappy young parent DD duties. Puke, Cheerios and milk, shopping cart dings, smashed into, moving van, Santa's sleigh, hell I built a removable roof rack for her and hauled chain link fence supplies from home depot on the roof! It was tough to even keep her plausibly fixable. Cleaned up nice. Ford deserves to lose the Taxi and police market for dropping the panther.

So it sounds like 396/398 is dialed right in. Cool. Sure feels good. I'll probably keep working it until the magic number and then cool it. If I have my way I will upgrade the block one day. But not until well past 6 digits. (65k now)

[Odinson]

Lack of gauges and attention are the main cause for engine failure when a voltage booster for a fuel pump goes bad.
To the OP: invest on an aeroforce gauge and a wideband, listen to your engine at wot religiously. Get a Ford GT fuel pump and a BAP with a k&n or jlt CAI as and you should see low to mid 400rwhp and 12 sec timeslips as long as you have good tires.

So basically I'm screwed if I don't get that boost gauge going. Eeeeeek.
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Really love to hook up an annoying buzzer to the oil pressure too.

[sailsmen]

I seem to remember some have gotten away from the Focus SVT Pump due to reports of too much electrical draw casuing other problems. Could be another Pump:confused:

[Odinson]

What about Walbro 400 lph pump. Anybody try it without BAP yet?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74223

Apparently it needs to be return-less but it doesn't matter?

Also will I be able run a boost/fuel pressure gauge? If I murder my engine I want it to be on purpose!

[LANDY]

I seem to remember some have gotten away from the Focus SVT Pump due to reports of too much electrical draw casuing other problems. Could be another Pump:confused: The focus pumps are good pumps, they do draw a little more amps and flow less than the GT pumps but they are reliable.

[Odinson]

So the possible pumps now read...


Stock and BAP (current)
Ford GT fuel pump and a BAP
Walbro GSS342 (BAP needed)
SVT Focus pump and a BAP
Walbro 400 lph pump (no BAP, theoretically.)
Some external dual pump setup at great cost.

Is there some gt500 pump that would suffice?




Lack of gauges and attention are the main cause for engine failure when a voltage booster for a fuel pump goes bad.
To the OP: invest on an aeroforce gauge and a wideband, listen to your engine at wot religiously.The autometer boost gauge included in the Trilogy kit (sitting in the box.) It reads the fuel pressure? Or does it read some computer variable to tell it what boost is?


If the boost gauge is not reading fuel pressure, should I ALSO get a fuel pressure gauge? I really don't like those A pillar pod trees. Talk about cop magnet. But I guess I'm stuck if I need 4 gauges. Was planning on swapping out the cigarette lighter.


Also the chances of looking away from the road in boost are nearly 0, so probably be digging out the electronics books to figure out some sort of bell to piggyback off the gauges.

[Odinson]

Oh wow areoforce is cool. Could probably do two gauges in the stock gauge pods.

Analog Volts/oil.
Boost/fuel.

[Odinson]

Has anyone fooled with the edge insight CTS?

[LANDY]

With the aeroforce you can monitor fuel pressure, fuel pump duty cycle, and all kinds of info of your ECU. It Dattalogs at all times. I would do a three gauge column pod with wideband on top aeroforce in the middle and boost gauge on the bottom. With that setup it shouldn't be hard to take a look at it when you on boost.

[Siege]

The car dynoed with the Trilogy stock setup and tune at 340hp 350tq. Remember my car was bone stock to start with. Turns out the MAF was the bottleneck. upgraded the 80 to a 90MM and connected it to the stock box.

I'm surprised by the low numbers with the Trilogy tune. Do you know if they were using Lidio's 93 octane tune?

[Juice]

The autometer boost gauge included in the Trilogy kit (sitting in the box.) It reads the fuel pressure? Or does it read some computer variable to tell it what boost is?



It's a mechanical pressure gauge that connects right into your intake manifold.

If they didn't install it, did they plug the hole where the line is supposed to be run? If not, you have a leak.

[Odinson]

I'm surprised by the low numbers with the Trilogy tune. Do you know if they were using Lidio's 93 octane tune?

No idea. Whatever shipped on the xcal I bought. I think he said he used the 93 tune.

Or JDM's dyno is way the hell off and I'm already at 450. :banana2:

Nah.

3 runs were done. First was stock.
--Torque--.--HP--.--top speed--
1. 349.43, 339.95, 134
2. 401.16, 391.16, 137
3. 395.55, 394.98, 148

[Odinson]

It's a mechanical pressure gauge that connects right into your intake manifold.

If they didn't install it, did they plug the hole where the line is supposed to be run? If not, you have a leak.

Eeeek. I'll check later. I don't think so. Car is very quiet at idle, wouldn't it whistle like a kettle.

[guspech750]

These 3 gauge pods are made and painted correctly for our cars!!!

http://www.gaugepods.com/

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25 270&d=1309228413 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25 270&d=1309228413)

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27 906&stc=1&d=1329960821

[Juice]

Eeeek. I'll check later. I don't think so. Car is very quiet at idle, wouldn't it whistle like a kettle.

Not necessarily. The car still runs at a vacuum at idle, it would just be taking air in at that point and not very quickly. Even at full boost, that's only 10lbs of pressure, which from a pressurized air standpoint, isn't very much.

The line for it comes out of the plate the blower is mounted to, right behind the blower on the driver's side. There will be a small brass fitting sticking out, or whatever they would be using to plug that spot.

[Odinson]

Not necessarily. The car still runs at a vacuum at idle, it would just be taking air in at that point and not very quickly. Even at full boost, that's only 10lbs of pressure, which from a pressurized air standpoint, isn't very much.

The line for it comes out of the plate the blower is mounted to, right behind the blower on the driver's side. There will be a small brass fitting sticking out, or whatever they would be using to plug that spot.


OK went through the manual and found the plug. Matched it up on the car. It is definitely Ted off and connected to the BAP sensor, and a stock black box on one side and two more things on the blower on the passenger side. No open vacuum.

At least I know where to T off the boost sensor later.

Thanks, that would have sucked. In hindsight, with so many things fed from it, I don't think they would have missed it.

So it seems like boost is no big deal but fuel is. Maybe I don't have to mess with it after all.

[justbob]

The boost gauge line should route from the intake plate, immediately tee'd and ran to your hobbs switch, then to the gauge. The tee off should run to your FRPS so the sensor can see boost. Cap off the stock vacuum line that runs to it.

However, the very most important gauge that you NEED is an AFR gauge.

[Odinson]

After some poking around I think I'm going to go with a dashdaq xl. They do audible alarms (you may have to flash to newest version) and can gauge, log and alarm anything in your car's computer.

Works/looks like a touchscreen nav unit, but no more buying gauges. Definitely be able to do both air/fuel and fuel pressure. You can run your own 1/4 mile times and whatever.

Oh and I'm professionally a Linux geek, so I should be able to make this thing sing.

[Blackened300a]

After some poking around I think I'm going to go with a dashdaq xl. They do audible alarms (you may have to flash to newest version) and can gauge, log and alarm anything in your car's computer.

Works/looks like a touchscreen nav unit, but no more buying gauges. Definitely be able to do both air/fuel and fuel pressure. You can run your own 1/4 mile times and whatever.

Oh and I'm professionally a Linux geek, so I should be able to make this thing sing.

You will need to install a O2 to work the wide band. That means welding a bung into the exhaust and run the wires.

[Odinson]

You will need to install a O2 to work the wide band. That means welding a bung into the exhaust and run the wires.

If that's the only way I'll consider it. Definitely will be able to watch fuel pressure out of the box. Air/Fuel looks like a priority Ford thing but I wait to see the thing in action.

http://www.dashdaq.com/specs/datalists/Ford_enh.htm

So I think I can start watching fuel pressure immediately. (obdII)

If I'm happy with the unit. buy the ford odbII pack
Then air/fuel and knock sensors (obdII ford pack)

Then get the Analog connector. Looks like you can fire up to 2 0-5 volt sensors to it. Real oil pressure and boost are what I'd watch with that. I'd like to T or Y connector an autometer oil pressure with stock.

Keep the stock gauges, and the unit looks like a Nav unit when off. Nice and sleepy.

I'll report back how it actually works out.

[Odinson]

This is so cool. Just got off the phone with John over at dashdaq. Turns out I may be able to forgo the boost sensor all together. You can calculate boost on the fly by subtracting ambient air pressure from manifold pressure.

Rock N roll! :rock:

Should have something up in another week on the actual unit and the install.

[Odinson]

My dashdaq showed up yesterday and things are moving along there. Not quite ready for the review but the company looks OK and device looks good. Will post detailed review here soon.

Last weekend, about a week into the tune, I started getting smoke out of the tailpipe at startup. Not blue, but grayish. Reminds me of an older car with unburnt fuel coming out of the pipes. Seems OK after about 10-20 seconds and it doesn't repeat until next startup. Happens nearly every time. Car's performance and sound are fine. This is brand new as my exhaust used to be good enough to pour into a glass and drink.

JDM has me watching the antifreeze levels. Any other ideas?

[Odinson]

OK now read enough that I am convinced I need the wide band O2 sensor. I'll repeat it for future folks who don't understand why.

I can read A/F at WOT, but I can only read the 'attempted' or desired ratio, not what is actually pushed/squirted as measured by any kind of sensor. This is because the oxygen sensor is shut off or ignored (in fact everything is) in what is called the open loop mode. This is done because the engine is more powerful when it's less efficient and fuel is essentially being dumped 10-15% more than the normal.

Because of the precision of injectors, if you loose an injector or your fuel pressure is incorrect (it actually drops in an inverted fashion to the manifold pressure, weird I would think the opposite.) A wideband sensor would register the change when the other sensors are off.

The thing that sucks is the need to drill a hole in your exhaust.

Any suggestions on a sensor? Don't need a gauge since it can be connected to the dashdaq. I'm fine with a ordering a 'replacement' sensor for a gauge set, so long as it's 0-5 volts.

Dashdaq has licences for Zetronix Innovate and Phidgets but no licence should be needed if the sensor talks 0-5v. I'm really open to any quality Wideband AFR, so long as it can do that.

[sailsmen]

What are you trying to accomplish?

Why do you think you need one?

[Odinson]

What are you trying to accomplish?

Why do you think you need one?

Car is running fine. I tend to run on the paranoid side with hums buzzes and dings. Since the engine is tweaked small mistakes or overlooked problems can kill it. I want to prevent that by watching.

So here is what I think can kill MM stock engines and what to watch. In order of risk.

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Basically I don't want that stuff to happen.

Here is the link BTW. Kind of lame vBulletin can't do tables.

http://www.warcloud.net/~odinson/mm-engine-monitoring.html (http://www.warcloud.net/%7Eodinson/mm-engine-monitoring.html)

[sailsmen]

I don't think most failures deemed "bad gas" are in fact "bad gas". I think it is an easy out for a bad tune or mechanical failure such as of an intercooler pump.

Guages are good for looking at trends while cruising around that indicate something maybe going bad. In a race most of the time by the time you see it on a guage it's too late.

At 6,000 RPM in one second the engine has made 100 revolutions.

[Odinson]

I don't think most failures deemed "bad gas" are in fact "bad gas". I think it is an easy out for a bad tune or mechanical failure such as of an intercooler pump.

Guages are good for looking at trends while cruising around that indicate something maybe going bad. In a race most of the time by the time you see it on a guage it's too late.

At 6,000 RPM in one second the engine has made 100 revolutions.

Agreed on everything. :) But... let take oil pressure for example. If I hook the real oil pressure data (hell or the bogus one) into the dash daq it's taking multiple samples a second. Within a split second of the oil pressure dropping below an appropriate level (lets say pump failure) I can set an audible alert. So assuming a 1/2 second reaction time on my part I literally limit the damage to 1 second without oil pressure at WOT, and say another 4 to glance at the blinking gauge and whats wrong at 2000 or less RPM and shut the engine off.

Kinda like whineeeeeeeeeeee "Oil Pressure!", rumble rumble rumble click roll roll roll roll. That's how fast it would really work. Maybe 200 revolutions without fresh oil. In my experience most engines would survive that OK.

BTW that reaction time was tested. I set my fuel rail pressure a little to high and got a bogus warning, my foot was off the gas in less than a second.

Don't get me wrong, if I wasn't prepared to lose an engine I wouldn't have boosted. :burnout:

PS: I will post up a marauder specific review of the dashdaq soon, along with specs, PIDs, etc. Not a panacea but a good antacid. :)

[Odinson]

Finally got back to the body shop today to pick up the old bumper. It used to look like a mirror in 2008 when I bought it from the dealer. This is was raw parallel parkers do to your ride in NY. Puncture wounds from a rear end (the guys car was utterly destroyed BTW, barely drove away.) Hope you didn't just eat.

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I have a driveway now, but I'm not taking any chances. That rear end job was only a block from my house. I am installing a trailer hitch to install a bumper shield XL. http://www.sparebumper.com/

I hate the extra weight (55-60 lbs for hitch and shield), but that's just how NYC is.

I'll post pics after it's on.

[CBT]

Finally got back to the body shop today to pick up the old bumper. It used to look like a mirror in 2008 when I bought it from the dealer. This is was raw parallel parkers do to your ride in NY. Puncture wounds from a rear end (the guys car was utterly destroyed BTW, barely drove away.) Hope you didn't just eat.

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I have a driveway now, but I'm not taking any chances. That rear end job was only a block from my house. I am installing a trailer hitch to install a bumper shield XL. http://www.sparebumper.com/

I hate the extra weight (55-60 lbs for hitch and shield), but that's just how NYC is.

I'll post pics after it's on.

Pretty cool device, too bad it couldn't launch the hitch back into the offenders radiator and/or windshield after impact.

[Odinson]

Pretty cool device, too bad it couldn't launch the hitch back into the offenders radiator and/or windshield after impact.

Actually.... It wouldn't be that hard to set up.

:beer:

[Odinson]

Been getting white smoke at startup since about the 4th day I had it. Really freaked me out the first day it happened as car has always 100% clean, but hasn't gotten any worse. Performance is fine at least AFAICT. No visible smoke after 20 seconds or so.

JDM had suggested checking coolant levels, but it's fine. Wrote them today. Really can't afford to go around in circles on this. Hopefully they can help.

[Odinson]

Some interesting stuff. I've installed the bumper shield.

Talked it over with JDM and I think the exhaust smoke is mostly condensation. No leaks, just seems to be the usual extra quart of oil between changes. The white cloud at startup does seem to be temp and moisture dependent.

Bought and waiting on shipping for dual oil pressure senders. One is the autometer 'real' guage sender and one is a 0-5v ProSport dual post to use with the dashdaq. I'm 99.9% it's the sender but the stock sender finally went. Just in case I'm waiting until I get a good reading before driving it around. Will definitely be alarming on oil pressure.

[Odinson]

Oh here are the pics of the bumper shield.

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Here is the mock up lined up for the install. I have the sheild installed on the curt hitch here, but with the slated part down.

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Decided on the slanted part up to get more altitude on the shield, and it hides the hitch better.
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Sorry no rear shot. Next time. Bad news is, added about 55 lbs to the car between the hitch and the shield.

Good news is with the curt hitch, the shield lines up EXACTLY with the bottom of the bumper. It slides right underneath to the millimeter. So I can keep it a little more flush. Mounted the hitch 1.5 inches from the back of the frame instead of the standard .5 inch. Also this thing is built like a truck. I would be shocked if it didn't absorb at least a 15mph crash.

[Odinson]

Gotta take a profile shot of the car with the bumper shield/hitch and the front guard. Looks mean in the reflections. :)

No noticeable impact on performance.

[Odinson]

So my car is back on the road as of Wednesday. She was layed up for a week. My stock oil pressure sensor went. What timing right? Right after the blower.

Soooo. Here's to procrastination. I've had 2 ultralite 2 gages sitting on my shelf for as long as I've owned the car. Sad right? I finally installed them. Also I Teed off the oil pressure to a currently unwired pro comp sensor for dashdaq monitoring.

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A reminder if you go with the ultralite gages you need to dremmel out the inside of the console so their contacts will fit.

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Here is everything all hooked up. You can see the dashdaq's new location on the air vent, and the theme I created. Physical layout is final. Theme on dashdaq will probably be updated soon. Turns out only the sensors on the current screen alarm and there about 6 I want to scream. Only 3 in this view.

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Would really like to apply the green marker trick to the leds in the autometer guages and change the light color from white to green. Nervous about opening them up. Don't want them looking like hell after.

There are more pics. All pics are here.
http://www.warcloud.net/~odinson/marauder/sensors/ (http://www.warcloud.net/%7Eodinson/marauder/sensors/)

As suspected, my oil pressure is actually fine. about 100psi on startup and about 14-24psi when warmed up.

[MOTOWN]

Looks good bud!

[Odinson]

Autometer gauge face removal.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194167

hmmmm....

[Odinson]

Looks good bud!

Thanks! More to come.

Already have the parts.


Dashdaq review.
Modded LCM install.
Dashdaq theme revision.
Wiring up second oil pressure sensor.
Installing KNS DBA 4000/ HAWK brake kit.


Have the parts, strong maybe.


Modding autometer gages to shine green (maybe)
Modding bumper xl from 16" x 6 to 24" x 8"?



Not sure/ Under consideration/ Pricy/Depends on other stuff.



Fuel line 3" fuel filter ah-la musclemerc
Modded FPDM + Walbro 400 + Remove BAP
SW header/high flow cat package.
Powerdex AFX Wideband Air/Fuel Kit
Aluminum driveshaft
underdrive pullies.

Regrets



Not doing a cylinder head cooling kit as part of the trilogy install.

[Odinson]

Just washed and quick waxed her. Got a profile shot. Resolution isn't great since you have to get far away to get a straight shot of the whole car. You can see the front rear guards. Car looks long!

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