tires

[03blackvegas]

Hi again everyone, today's question is what rear tires do some of you have that give good grip while driving aggressively. I recently lost control of my car while doing a simple lane change in first gear, I hit a concrete barrier, damaging the right front to a tune of $5000.00. One of the contributing factors was my rear tires, which are GoodYear Eagle F1 255-55-ZR18. Thanks, and looking forward to some suggestions.

[Blackened300a]

Hi again everyone, today's question is what rear tires do some of you have that give good grip while driving aggressively. I recently lost control of my car while doing a simple lane change in first gear, I hit a concrete barrier, damaging the right front to a tune of $5000.00. One of the contributing factors was my rear tires, which are GoodYear Eagle F1 255-55-ZR18. Thanks, and looking forward to some suggestions.

Tires are just part of the entire handling performance of the car. Did you upgrade your sway bars, control arms, and watts link? I spun my car around with the stock suspension on stock BFG's one day. After upgrading the suspension and running Nitto 420S, the car feel a lot more planted in the turns and has a lot less body roll.

[03blackvegas]

My car is all stock, I have the same problem with my stock 2004 PI, tail happy.

[4drcbra]

Nitto nt555 255/55/18 + tighten ur rear end up a touch with a better shock and some adco goodies.

[RacerX]

My Nitto 555s are very "grippy". I'm running 360hp at the crank N/A at the moment and I love them. 295/45 ZR-18 rears on non-widened rims.

[MOTOWN]

My Nitto 555s are very "grippy". I'm running 360hp at the crank N/A at the moment and I love them. 295/45 ZR-18 rears on non-widened rims.

Gotta love them nitto 295s! excellent tires!:banana2:

[gdsqdcr]

Nitto 555, 265/50/18

Addco sway

No issues.

[Mr. Man]

The tires your running are very sticky so not sure why you think the tires are a problem. Unless they are bald I doubt they are the problem especially on a stock MM.

[CBT]

Kumho's. Second back set. I loves them.

[BirchMarauder]

Kumho's. Second back set. I loves them.

Kumho what?

[CBT]

Kumho what?

Homosayhuh? :D
Yeah I guess I should have been more specific.
Fronts: Kumho Ecsta ASX 235/50-18
Rears: Kumho Ecsta STX 255/55-18.
I put the back ones on about a month ago, I have new fronts sitting in the garage waiting to go on in the next day or three. Liked the first set enough to do them again.

[babbage]

Nitto 555, 265/50/18

Addco sway

No issues.
Me either. ^^^ What I run..

Flooring the MM in first gear while making a turn is dangerous, unless you know what you're doing.. A Torsen T-2 Diff would work better in the turns than a trac-lock which yours may be worn out causing handling problems.

Any pics of the boo-boo?

[Vortech347]

A lane change with a 1st gear kick down? Sounds like a recipe for failure short of an R compound tire. I think you may want to look into a driver mod first.

Plus your in Vegas. I've never driven on dry roads so damn slick.

[screamn]

Nitto 555 on front.

Nitto 420 on back.

Lovem......I said Aloha to BFG KDWS!

[Zim Hosein]

A lane change with a 1st gear kick down? Sounds like a recipe for failure short of an R compound tire. I think you may want to look into a driver mod first.

Plus your in Vegas. I've never driven on dry roads so damn slick.

I'm gonna have to agree w/ Vortech347 on this.

[DOOM]

The tires your running are very sticky so not sure why you think the tires are a problem. Unless they are bald I doubt they are the problem especially on a stock MM.

:agree: ^^^ what he said ^^^

That shouldn't have happened on a stock marauder. Unless it was in the rain!

I run Goodyear eagle F1 GS-D3's and have been using them for years! Never had a problem.

And my car is putting about DOUBLE to the ground that yours is.

Plus my tires are bald 98% of the time! :lol:

[Bluerauder]

I recently lost control of my car while doing a simple lane change in first gear, I hit a concrete barrier, damaging the right front to a tune of $5000.00. One of the contributing factors was my rear tires, which are GoodYear Eagle F1 255-55-ZR18. Thanks, and looking forward to some suggestions.


The tires your running are very sticky so not sure why you think the tires are a problem. Unless they are bald I doubt they are the problem especially on a stock MM.

I dumped the GoodYear Eagle F1 255/55/ZR18 rear tires after trying them for 15,000 miles and went back to the OEM BFG KDWS 245/55/18. In just under 2 years with the GoodYears, I had the back end jump out on me more than in the previous 6 with the BFGs. Maybe it is a case of driving style; but I definitely felt more "loose" in the corners with the GoodYears despite the so-called traction ratings. The difference was noticeable enough to me from the beginning even with full tread that I went back to OEMs.

Another contributing factor may be your stock tune. I found that the 1-2 shift frequently occurred in the middle of a turn after taking off from a traffic light. In wet-slick conditions, this shift in the turn had a tendency to break the rear end loose at the worst possible time. A new tune and shift schedule corrected that premature shift and delayed it enough to get me through the turn before hitting 2nd. However, even with the new tune, the GoodYears were more squirrelly IMHO.

[NXSBOB]

I took my Marauder out on my local (unused Hwy) road course when I first got it. The backend flopped around on curves. The 03 CV Sport I had did not have the problem. I replaced BFG's with Michelin's and have not tried road course yet, but they are smoother riding, steer better, grip better and quieter.
BFG's would not grip at all on snow or ice. Michelin grip great.

[Zim Hosein]

Another contributing factor may be your stock tune. I found that the 1-2 shift frequently occurred in the middle of a turn after taking off from a traffic light. In wet-slick conditions, this shift in the turn had a tendency to break the rear end loose at the worst possible time. A new tune and shift schedule corrected that premature shift and delayed it enough to get me through the turn before hitting 2nd. However, even with the new tune, the GoodYears were more squirrelly IMHO.

Interesting info regarding the stock tune, who did your tune Bluerauder?

[Mr. Man]

I took my Marauder out on my local (unused Hwy) road course when I first got it. The backend flopped around on curves. The 03 CV Sport I had did not have the problem. I replaced BFG's with Michelin's and have not tried road course yet, but they are smoother riding, steer better, grip better and quieter.
BFG's would not grip at all on snow or ice. Michelin grip great.
Which Michelin's did you get?

[NXSBOB]

Which Michelin's did you get?
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[03blackvegas]

Thanks for all the reply's so far guys, what some of you are saying is true, my driving style does contribute to the loose feeling of the back end, plus I think these big cars are hard to take turns the way I would like to without some issues. I just don't get the sense that my rear tires are trying to grip to any degree worth talking about. I have Bridgestones Turanza EL42's up front on my 04 PI, and they seem to always be griping just fine.

[Bluerauder]

Hi again everyone, today's question is what rear tires do some of you have that give good grip while driving aggressively. I recently lost control of my car while doing a simple lane change in first gear.....


... plus I think these big cars are hard to take turns the way I would like to without some issues. I just don't get the sense that my rear tires are trying to grip to any degree worth talking about.

You don't mention the specific conditions on the road when you had your accident, so it is kinda difficult to assess the problem. Was it raining, slick road ... dry, dust/grit covered road. I find it hard to understand a spinout on a straight line lane change if a dry road was present. Add water or oil and a downshift .... that's a problem.

Personally, I think the Marauder suspension set-up gives very good performance in the corners compared to other cars that I have owned. The OEM BFGs grip pretty well in wet & dry. GoodYears were OK too; but less so in wet/slick conditions. With some suspension mods, some of our MM.Net road course fans have been able to hang with the Porsches, BMWs and others on the twisties.

I think many of the spinouts and wrecks that I have heard about here on the MM.Net were all mostly weather related or poor tread connected. Another contributing factor may be driver inexperience with RWD handling characteristics.

[GAMike]

One thing not mentioned here (probably because its so obvious:)) is tire pressure............

Tires are have criteria that is testable by car magazines, and they have the subjective.............

Case and point. Some here love the Nitto 420 tire. Rave about it even..... Me? I can't say enough bad about them. But that is just my opinion.....

So, going back to tire pressure.... If you are running any of the tires suggested/tried at over pressure or severely under pressure, you will dynamically change the way your car handles.... With the +1 255's you spec'd you may feel sidewall flex that makes your car wallow during emergency lane change manuevers........ New tires especially will exhibit this characteristic...... I put a new set of Nitto 555's on mine, and (ask ROCOB) got out on the highway with TAF for a 30 mile run up to a car show on a nice sunny day, and I was having trouble controling the side to side action. Once they wore in a little it was all good from there.....

Anywho, just some thoughts.... If the wallow persists, Metco control arms will stop it flat..... Won't do much for body roll, but your cars tires will stick just fine as long as tire pressure is proper.....

Sway bars minimize body roll, but the car will probably reach its limit without you knowing it, and if thats the case will spin on you again. Just my .02:burnout:

[jstevens]

I'll repeat it but the new Cooper RS3A grip really good, especially with the bad and cold weather we've had recently.

They grip much better than stock BFG's where I could kick the rear end out at will.
These tires seem to make you really have to work it to spin at a roll.

I lost control once too with the stock BFG's but it was really cold so they felt like slips and I went to pass someone with a downshift. Won't make that mistake again.

[Blackened300a]

Interesting info regarding the stock tune, who did your tune Bluerauder?

I'm wondering too. I took a ride in Charlies car at MV9 and was impressed with the shifting and how it drove.

[Bluerauder]

Interesting info regarding the stock tune, who did your tune Bluerauder?


I'm wondering too. I took a ride in Charlies car at MV9 and was impressed with the shifting and how it drove.

Thanks, Paul. :D I won the SCT LiveWire at the Marauderville V (MV5) raffle in August 2007. I think that it is just a "standard" MM tune from DR for 3.55 gears and 93 gas. After driving the car for nearly 4 years with a stock tune, the difference in the shift schedule was quite noticeable to me with more pep. "LiveWire" advertizes +26 RWHP and +29 RWTQ average for the Marauder. I can't verify this; but it drives much, much better than stock IMHO.

[03blackvegas]

So today I bought, and scheduled an appointment for Wednesday to have installed the Nitto's 555 265-50-18's, I will put them on the 04 PI first, (my daily driver) and will give my impressions afterwards. P.S. just for the rears.