NA Marauders with aftermarket stalls

[mgmsleeper]

how big of a stall?
what disc?
what are your supporting mods?

pros & cons?

...just gathering info, it might be on the list to do along with gears and headers till the stock motor goes and i drop the built one.

[Blackened300a]

I'm running a PI 3K stall and I imagine its a single disc convertor. I was using the car as a daily driver so I didn't have a use for the 3500 stall. I hear 3200 stall is the optimum to run.

My mods are in my garage link in my sig.

[mgmsleeper]

I'm running a PI 3K stall and I imagine its a single disc convertor. I was using the car as a daily driver so I didn't have a use for the 3500 stall. I hear 3200 stall is the optimum to run.

My mods are in my garage link in my sig.

How's its manners with the Supporting mods driving in traffic and play time stomping on it

[Blackened300a]

How's its manners with the Supporting mods driving in traffic and play time stomping on it


Drives like it did when the car was stock. Just louder and a lot easier to blast the rear tires off the car. ;)

[sailsmen]

I have had both the PI 3,000 on an N/A and the 3,500 on S/C.

With the right tuner drives like it is stock.

[mgmsleeper]

Drives like it did when the car was stock. Just louder and a lot easier to blast the rear tires off the car. ;)

lol great ...more tire wear
does it or did it change your fuel consumption?


I have had both the PI 3,000 on an N/A and the 3,500 on S/C.

With the right tuner drives like it is stock.

what mods dis u have with your 3k? N/A

[Blackened300a]

lol great ...more tire wear
does it or did it change your fuel consumption?

With all I have done, I can get close to 330-350 miles on a tank driving on the highway.
The city driving is not that great. I only drove the car stock for about 3 weeks before I started modding. Lately even driving the in the city with my adjusted tune, its hasn't been all that bad.

[mgmsleeper]

With all I have done, I can get close to 330-350 miles on a tank driving on the highway.
The city driving is not that great. I only drove the car stock for about 3 weeks before I started modding. Lately even driving the in the city with my adjusted tune, its hasn't been all that bad.


ok sounds good. thanks

[sailsmen]

4:10, tune, UD Pulleys, Cobra Exhaust Manifolds, X Pipe.

[cougar9150]

I had a single disk 3k and now have a triple disk 3.5k. I can't really speak on the 3k as it came with the car and the trans blew a month after I got it. It seemed to have decent DD manners but I felt locked and unlocked more than the 3.5k with the same tune.

I changed to the 3.5 triple disk at that time and have had a variety of experiences. With my first tune it was horrible, constant locking and unlocking when doing 40-60mph. After working on the shift schedule it drives pretty much like stock until I open it up. From a stop I can smoke tire thru 1st and into 2nd gear.

See my signature for my mods.

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[babbage]

If you get a higher stall they make more heat. Get either deep pan and/or a transmission cooler if you like to go hot rodding around in the summer etc.

[sailsmen]

Although that is the conventional thought the OEM trans cooler has more than sufficient capacity to handle the higher stall.

Iam running 1 small cooler behind the grill having removed the OEM cooler due to a high coolant temp issue.
50k miles and 50 1/4 runs w/ the trans fluid analyzed w/ 15K miles and all AOK.

If you are staying N/A just chnge the trans fluid every 20K.

[ts-pa]

I had a single disk 3k and now have a triple disk 3.5k. I can't really speak on the 3k as it came with the car and the trans blew a month after I got it. It seemed to have decent DD manners but I felt locked and unlocked more than the 3.5k with the same tune.

I changed to the 3.5 triple disk at that time and have had a variety of experiences. With my first tune it was horrible, constant locking and unlocking when doing 40-60mph. After working on the shift schedule it drives pretty much like stock until I open it up. From a stop I can smoke tire thru 1st and into 2nd gear.

See my signature for my mods.

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I have a PI 3200 triple disk with my car. This "onstant locking and unlocking when doing 40-60mph" is what I like the least about my setup. Also, if I'm following a stock MM, it seems faster from about 0-40. Above 60 though, love it!

[Blackened300a]

I have a PI 3200 triple disk with my car. This "onstant locking and unlocking when doing 40-60mph" is what I like the least about my setup. Also, if I'm following a stock MM, it seems faster from about 0-40. Above 60 though, love it!

That is in the tune. It would unlock at 60mph the second I took my foot off the pedal then lock when I would get back on it which would cause the rpms to flair for a second. Its more noticable with a higher stall and very annoying. Its a pleasure to drive now that it's been tuned out.

[ctrlraven]

That is in the tune. It would unlock at 60mph the second I took my foot off the pedal then lock when I would get back on it which would cause the rpms to flair for a second. Its more noticable with a higher stall and very annoying. Its a pleasure to drive now that it's been tuned out.
Yep this was part of my issue. I played around with my current tune enough to eliminate it but the car doesn't feel like it pulls as hard as when it did do that.

I've had a PI 3500 stall triple disc for over 4 years now, with the 3.55 gears it was somewhat sluggish off the line when just easing on the gas, but if you nailed the gas or punched it while in cruising speed it would pull pretty hard. Once I installed 4.10 gears it really woke up and felt better. Zack always said for NA 3500 stall and 4.10 gears was a must for someone who races. I think if I did it again I might have gone with a little bit lower of a stall but then again I really do love that sweet spot around 3500 rpms when the car is just pulls and pulls and rpms barely move between 3500-4000 rpms.

3500 makes it fun on the highway but not so much in city or stop or go traffic. I've gotten so use to it I barely even notice that I tend to give it a little more throttle than I should from a light or a stop. lol

Going with a stall is a must if you want to hit the track and break into 13s plus with proper tuning the only difference you will see is more tire shredding and a lighter wallet cause you'll be in the throttle a lot more enjoying it and using up some more gas. lol

[cougar9150]

That is in the tune. It would unlock at 60mph the second I took my foot off the pedal then lock when I would get back on it which would cause the rpms to flair for a second. Its more noticable with a higher stall and very annoying. Its a pleasure to drive now that it's been tuned out.

+1 it's all about the tune for drivability. Took a ton of datalogging and 6 different tunes to get where I am and I'm still not 100% happy with it. It has really good street manners but issues with WOT launches now.

I would still be working on it with my tuner but he pissed me off on a personal level and I'm finding someone new. I decided to just wait till I get my SC installed before I find a new shop and will work out the final kinks then.

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[ts-pa]

I have the SCT tuner device from DR. Is this tweak something that can be done with it?
Anyone care to enlighten me with step-by-step instructions?

I'm nervous about touching the device since I don't want to lose the tune that finally worked well. (Multiple emails with DR to get it better) I resend it to the car about twice a year if the car acts odd or when I change the plugs. Such as stalling while at low speed steering.

Like Ctrlraven said, the higher stall pulls hard at the sweet spot. I also get on it too much at the stop lights, LOL! Sounds like I'm racing when I'm just trying to get moving.

[Blackened300a]

I have the SCT tuner device from DR. Is this tweak something that can be done with it?
Anyone care to enlighten me with step-by-step instructions?

I'm nervous about touching the device since I don't want to lose the tune that finally worked well. (Multiple emails with DR to get it better) I resend it to the car about twice a year if the car acts odd or when I change the plugs. Such as stalling while at low speed steering.

Like Ctrlraven said, the higher stall pulls hard at the sweet spot. I also get on it too much at the stop lights, LOL! Sounds like I'm racing when I'm just trying to get moving.

I never experienced anything you have. I can let off the brake and my car will roll forward on its own. I can also accelerate smoothly with light throttle. I suggest getting a tune from a different tuner. Try contacting Lidio or JDM engineering in NJ.
There is nothing you can adjust yourself with your tuner.

[LANDY]

+1 it's all about the tune for drivability. Took a ton of datalogging and 6 different tunes to get where I am and I'm still not 100% happy with it. It has really good street manners but issues with WOT launches now.

I would still be working on it with my tuner but he pissed me off on a personal level and I'm finding someone new. I decided to just wait till I get my SC installed before I find a new shop and will work out the final kinks then.

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Phil you would love my tune, its basically a lidio tune with minor adjustments.

[cougar9150]

Phil you would love my tune, its basically a lidio tune with minor adjustments.

Ya, I'm thinking about your guy it's just a long drive. Going to check with a few shops in the tampa area but not getting warm and fuzzy over any of them. Have a buddy who owns a shop that does mostly nissans and subarus but don't know who their tuner for ford cars is.

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[ts-pa]

Try contacting...JDM engineering in NJ.
There is nothing you can adjust yourself with your tuner.

Thanks for the tip! They are closer than Lidio. I was afraid that a new tune might be in order.

[Blackened300a]

Thanks for the tip! They are closer than Lidio. I was afraid that a new tune might be in order.

Tell them Paul H with the 03 Marauder sent you and you want my transmission setup in the tune. I went over with them exactly how I wanted it to shift and they delivered the exact results. Babbage is running my trans tune and he's very happy with it.

[ctrlraven]

Thanks for the tip! They are closer than Lidio. I was afraid that a new tune might be in order.

Sometimes a new tune is needed! There is also a tuner here in MD and DE that could get you squared away as well.

[03mmmonroe]

I am having my some Trans work done and looking for information on that I should do on my PI convertor I have 70k miles and about 500 ¼ mile runs. My best run was this past Nov, 2011. I have 03 Marauder N/A 302.0 RWHP – MY 60 1.984 - 1/8, 8.580@81.90 -1/4, 13.404@101.78 on Drag Radials smaller then stock size tires do not have the size.
I have a 2800 stall and just not sure if I should stay with the 28 or go up or down to improve my times. Looking for your input. I have reviewed this trend but only see recommendation for 3k or 3500k but I do drive my car around town and on trips as well at drag race. Thank you for your input.
Russ Pryor.

[babbage]

I am having my some Trans work done and looking for information on that I should do on my PI convertor I have 70k miles and about 500 ¼ mile runs. My best run was this past Nov, 2011. I have 03 Marauder N/A 302.0 RWHP – MY 60 1.984 - 1/8, 8.580@81.90 -1/4, 13.404@101.78 on Drag Radials smaller then stock size tires do not have the size.
I have a 2800 stall and just not sure if I should stay with the 28 or go up or down to improve my times. Looking for your input. I have reviewed this trend but only see recommendation for 3k or 3500k but I do drive my car around town and on trips as well at drag race. Thank you for your input.
Russ Pryor.

I'd say what you've got is working really well. No one else is running 13.4 N/A. What gear are you running?

[dohc324ci]

I guess it depends on the setup? Street 3k-2800 track 3200-3500. My trans shop steered me away from 3k stall even with my cam motor combo. I went with a 2600rpm stall 2200+ recommended on the comp cam site per grind.

[03mmmonroe]

I'd say what you've got is working really well. No one else is running 13.4 N/A. What gear are you running?

i have 4.10 gear with SW long tube and PHP air box. I was told with my smaller drag radial I am runing 4.56 gear due to the size.

Russ

[03mmmonroe]

I guess it depends on the setup? Street 3k-2800 track 3200-3500. My trans shop steered me away from 3k stall even with my cam motor combo. I went with a 2600rpm stall 2200+ recommended on the comp cam site per grind.

thank you for the information. That is what I was looking for 2200 +. How do you like your 2600 stall and do you remember what it was like stock.

[dohc324ci]

IIRC stock converters are 2200-2400rpm so really for me a couple more hundred RPMs wasn't drastic. But I've got a completely different setup and torque curve. Anymore than what you have now then i recommend you ride someone else's with that setup first. Any looser of a converter you need consider how it drives around town/city.

[Joe Walsh]

I have an Art Carr 2800 rpm stall.
It probably stalls at @ 3000 rpm with my engine.
It feels a little sluggish around town and at light throttle, but when you nail it....:eek:
I still have the OEM 3.55s.

[mgmsleeper]

Would a 3k stall and 4.30 gears be overkill on an N/A setup?

[CBT]

Would a 3k stall and 4.30 gears be overkill on an N/A setup?

Personally, I think overkill is underrated in most, if not all, situations. :cool:

[Blackened300a]

Would a 3k stall and 4.30 gears be overkill on an N/A setup?
No, I may be planning on running that combo in the very near future. The 3K stall didn't hurt the way my car drove with the way my tune is setup.


I'd say what you've got is working really well. No one else is running 13.4 N/A. What gear are you running?

Its the smaller tires. 26" tires change the rear ratio. I ran 13.5 with 28" street tires. My next run at the track will have 26" drag radials, race gas in the tank and see what I can do.

[LANDY]

Would a 3k stall and 4.30 gears be overkill on an N/A setup? if you do a stall do a 3500 since your n/a. I have had both and its a noticeable difference between the two.

[napolitano]

+1 it's all about the tune for drivability. Took a ton of datalogging and 6 different tunes to get where I am and I'm still not 100% happy with it. It has really good street manners but issues with WOT launches now.

I would still be working on it with my tuner but he pissed me off on a personal level and I'm finding someone new. I decided to just wait till I get my SC installed before I find a new shop and will work out the final kinks then.

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Tony at Tuner Inc in orange park, fl.
Come on over and drive my car before we pull the motor, you'll luv it.

[ctrlraven]

i have 4.10 gear with SW long tube and PHP air box. I was told with my smaller drag radial I am runing 4.56 gear due to the size.

Russ
With 4.10 gears and 26" tall tires the math works out to be around 4.51 effective rear gear ratio.

Would a 3k stall and 4.30 gears be overkill on an N/A setup?
When doing a torque converter you want the stall around where power starts to come into play. Also have to factor in engine size and the power it puts out when considering the stall rpm. I had wanted to go with a 3000 but DR gave me a good deal (surprise surprise) on a 3500 stall so I really couldn't pass it up).

if you do a stall do a 3500 since your n/a. I have had both and its a noticeable difference between the two.
4.10 gears and 3500 stall seem to be the best combo for NA, with proper tuning of course.