Stock T/C With a Super Charger

[03sport007]

Who's still runnning a Stock T/C after being super charged? We've obviously seen transmissions let go but I've never heard of T/C failing.

[Bradley G]

I can't believe my convertor has hung in behind the Trilogy for just under 90K so far .
It is not going to be in service much longer, it is slipping under feather throttle and trans temps are commonly over 200*.

[LANDY]

Alot of times the converter goes and takes the tranny with it. Anyone looking for optimum performance should be smart enough to swap the stock TC for an aftermarket one. PD or centri.

[guspech750]

So far so good for me. But its been SC since July 2011. And I put the pedal down quite often. :burnout:

[03mmmonroe]

I have a stock convertor with 6k miles on it out of my 300a. I swapped it out for a PI 2800 stall.

Russ

[DOOM]

Still running the stock converter on mine.

[SC Cheesehead]

Still running the stock converter on mine.

Same here.
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[justbob]

Same here.
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Same here!

[burt ragio]

I don't see that much difference stall speed or mfg. It is the heat that is the killer.

[Bradley G]

I had a PI convertor in the car and with the Trilogy, it was no real gain on street tires.
I put the stock convertor back and have been dumb for almost 90K,
I like the way the car felt with the stock convertor much better.
Alot of times the converter goes and takes the tranny with it. Anyone looking for optimum performance should be smart enough to swap the stock TC for an aftermarket one. PD or centri.

[03sport007]

Thanks guys. It's a loooooooong story but I find myself possibly needing a new converter. After the eaton swap, trany rebuild and subsequent issues in between I find myself short on cash and needing my car to be operational.

[SC Cheesehead]

Thanks guys. It's a loooooooong story but I find myself possibly needing a new converter. After the eaton swap, trany rebuild and subsequent issues in between I find myself short on cash and needing my car to be operational.

PM 03mmmonroe, he may possibly have a spare converter available.

[Blackmobile]

Also contact Greggash, I know he's had a stock one laying around.


Thanks guys. It's a loooooooong story but I find myself possibly needing a new converter. After the eaton swap, trany rebuild and subsequent issues in between I find myself short on cash and needing my car to be operational.

[BODYMAN]

Stock convertor and trans with some abusive at times mileage with 545/556 and still going strong. For how long?? Plan to upgrade tranny in next few months before it does decide to let go and strand me. I know youre feeling though Josh I need my Whipple rebuilt along with complete exhaust redone but after already dumping so much into it I need to try and make it last as long as possible before spending any more money.

[hotford]

stock torque in my MM with a triolgy and no issues,just upgrading the short with a T/S and having the trans freshen while the motor is out and Im still going with the stock Torque convertor just a new one from ford.

[tbone]

Well, since all the "Big Guns" still have the stock converters on their s/c cars, I think they've proven that they're "smart enough" and that the stock converter does the job, and does it well.:burnout:

[Bradley G]

It is the weak link, especially in a S/C application, with the wick turned up.



Well, since all the "Big Guns" still have the stock converters on their s/c cars, I think they've proven that they're "smart enough" and that the stock converter does the job, and does it well.:burnout:

[03sport007]

PM 03mmmonroe, he may possibly have a spare converter available.


Also contact Greggash, I know he's had a stock one laying around.


Thanks guys I haven't reached the point were I want to use a used T/C. I was just wondering if I need to drop the coin on a aftermarket T/C or go with a new stock one. Thanks again for the input.

[03sport007]

Stock convertor and trans with some abusive at times mileage with 545/556 and still going strong. For how long?? Plan to upgrade tranny in next few months before it does decide to let go and strand me. I know youre feeling though Josh I need my Whipple rebuilt along with complete exhaust redone but after already dumping so much into it I need to try and make it last as long as possible before spending any more money.

Sorry the wipple is needing some attention. Exhaust sounds like it could be fun thow?

[LANDY]

Ok, I didn't mean to offend anyone with the word smart PERIOD!
The stock t/c does the job but if you guys read what I wrote (optimum) performance a stall made exact for the application will Do a much better job

[03sport007]

No offence taken by Me:beer:
I always value your advice. Thanks again!!!

[tbone]

It is the weak link, especially in a S/C application, with the wick turned up.

Sure. But not that weak.;)

[Bradley G]

There have been many many transmission failures behind S/C cars, I realize thier are exceptions to everything, some guys have gone through multiple transmissons .
Sure. But not that weak.;)

[BUCKWHEAT]

Lidio swears the stock TC is the way to go. Bullet proof reliable and good performance. I'm back to stock. Over the years I have had two aftermarket TC's. They haven't failed, but the high stall was irritating.

[Bradley G]

It lasted because Lidio does not lock up til way later in the MPH.
That was the challenge early on with Trilogys R & D , lots of carnage till the tuners figured out how to keep the trans together.


Lidio swears the stock TC is the way to go. Bullet proof reliable and good performance. I'm back to stock. Over the years I have had two aftermarket TC's. They haven't failed, but the high stall was irritating.

[LANDY]

What mph does lidio locks up the t/c?
For reliability I wouldn't lock up the stock T/C with 450rwhp or more marauder.

[Bradley G]

I thought it was 62 mph at part throttle, but it might be higher @ WOT
What mph does lidio locks up the t/c?
For reliability I wouldn't lock up the stock T/C with 450rwhp or more marauder.

[Hotrauder]

It seemed, back in the day, that in an effort to get low rpm performance from cheesegrater type superchargers and thier piping many installed aftermarket tcs. Trilogy kits with full psi at 2500 rpm had no need and therefore avoided the driveability issues. In fact a couple of trilogized members who did install aftermarket tcs switched back because of those issues. I am not aware of any stock tc failures among the dozen or so Stooge Trilogy installs. I certainly had none with the FruitPunch through 28,000 miles with first the Eaton and then the Twin Screw, although I did have the Art Carr level two kit installed as a precaution along with an auxiliary tranny cooler and larger tranny pan. Of course what do I know other than my own experience. No disrespect intended as I am not sure how to spell centrifugal....and one other note. More impressive to me than the pure power of the Trilogies is the pure drivability of the Trilogy Kit with Lidio's genius engine and tranny tunes. Dennis

ps...probably of continued little interest Ford has hit home runs in my estimation with the EcoBoost engines and their newer cars. The little twin turbos are fun, The cars are smarter than most drivers and do things that only top of the line Mercedes and Beemers did till now. Great cars. 50,000 bumper to bumper, 70,000 drivetrain warrentees. Five years of free maintenace. So much more all of a piece than our beloved old iron. It is truely the people and the experience that are irreplaceable. and oh yes..I am still an old poop.:) Dennis

[Seneca]

Stock t/c here but not for much longer..

[tbone]

There have been many many transmission failures behind S/C cars, I realize thier are exceptions to everything, some guys have gone through multiple transmissons .

I'm confused. It's good. It's bad. It's just ok.:confused:

[LANDY]

I have driven PD blower marauders with stock stall, depending on power levels they will stall at a different rpm.
A 2004 eaton swapped marauder which has a slight higher stall than 03, pushing low 400rwhp stalled right at 1900 rpm after flashing the t/c numerous times. after me and my buddy installed a 2800 stall from circle d the car stalled right at 2500 rpm. This is my experience.
I think the stock stall is beast just because it holds mild punishment but when you go to the track twice a month and have it lockup after 3rd gear on each pass, sooner or later it will go boom. Then your down for $2500 or more becuase of not investing less than half of that on a better unit.

[sailsmen]

All it takes is a good tuner and you never know you have a high stall.

Way back when a "cheesegrater" had the lowest 60' for years.
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Well it seems I wasnt done racing for the year afterall.
I was at US 41 today for the Midwest SVT Challenge, Cobras everywhere! A good group of people on top of that.
I had nothing but a good day, heres the results:
Best pass of the day:
11.627 @ 116.88mph! 60 foot was 1.608!"

Hotrauder - do you remember way back in September 2005 which 2 Marauders had the fastest times at MarauderFest?
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(Hint Cheddar)

[Hotrauder]

Hotrauder - do you remember way back in September 2005 which 2 Marauders had the fastest times at MarauderFest?

Billy, I have no mechanical ability and little understanding of how all this stuff works. All I know is how it feels to me. I have tremdous respect for those who do and share, as you always have. I have no doubt that tuning is the most important aspect of it all. That Lidio did ass tunes in my car here in Florida twice speaks to that belief. I have no doubt that proper tuning can mitigate driveability disadvantages of high stall converters but did not have that experience. I did and do have tremedous respect for the power output of the centrifugal s/c kits and head to head apples to apples they post better times than the Trilogy eaton kit. My interest other than curiousity was not in drag strips, where you have excelled, but road courses. I love the dynamics of balance and control at the limit. The absolute predictablility of power application with the Trilogy kit was perfect through the stock tc. Again, Lidio tuned engine and tranny performance and was a genius at giving me exactly what I prefered. I do remember Marauderfest and or Marauderville IIIA, if they were the same. When Ed drove the FruitPunch away last month the Dash Plaque was still on display.:) Sgt. Mac brought those, as I recall. We shared a beer and some gator tail at Whitey's Fish Shack. A first for me. My first ride behind a Trilogized Marauder was the next day. Thanks Carfixer for that and so much more. The 110 was fittingly installed on Thanksgiving. No, The answer which should have come about 20 minutes ago is no, I don't remember. I am old, distracted, self absorbed and according bobby clobber, a poop. He has always been right! Thanks for the fun. Dennis

[BODYMAN]

Sorry the wipple is needing some attention. Exhaust sounds like it could be fun thow?

Ah no biggie Josh! I look at it like this it's used I got almost 15,000 out of it already. I just wish I had done like you did with that Eaton a little pre-installation maintenance. I feel worst about youre ordeal with the 2 days on the tranny. I know you mentioned not wanting a used convertor but maybe John (Buckwheat) would sell you the one Lidio took out of his MM. It was from Darrin & I know I couldnt have more then a couple thousand miles on it. You might throw him a PM. You get youre tranny done by Darrin? Hang in there Josh I know how frustrating thinks can get sometimes when moddying then breaking things feels. Just dont ask my wife she hates my car habit lol

[BODYMAN]

All it takes is a good tuner and you never know you have a high stall.

Way back when a "cheesegrater" had the lowest 60' for years.
"Zack
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Well it seems I wasnt done racing for the year afterall.
I was at US 41 today for the Midwest SVT Challenge, Cobras everywhere! A good group of people on top of that.
I had nothing but a good day, heres the results:
Best pass of the day:
11.627 @ 116.88mph! 60 foot was 1.608!"

Hotrauder - do you remember way back in September 2005 which 2 Marauders had the fastest times at MarauderFest?
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(Hint Cheddar)

All the times I talk to Zack and it never amazes me how much knowledge he holds on our cars and Ford mod motor's in general. To have him as a friend I consider that a asset. Since the very begging he consistently has had one of the best running MM's out there. & he's just a kid LOL,LOL, Not that iam and old man but shoot 33/34 yrs old.;)

[Blackmobile]

I have carefully removed the plaques from the dash and put in the glove box of FruitPunch. They will be at the picnic, so just remind me.

Hotrauder - do you remember way back in September 2005 which 2 Marauders had the fastest times at MarauderFest?

Billy, I have no mechanical ability and little understanding of how all this stuff works. All I know is how it feels to me. I have tremdous respect for those who do and share, as you always have. I have no doubt that tuning is the most important aspect of it all. That Lidio did ass tunes in my car here in Florida twice speaks to that belief. I have no doubt that proper tuning can mitigate driveability disadvantages of high stall converters but did not have that experience. I did and do have tremedous respect for the power output of the centrifugal s/c kits and head to head apples to apples they post better times than the Trilogy eaton kit. My interest other than curiousity was not in drag strips, where you have excelled, but road courses. I love the dynamics of balance and control at the limit. The absolute predictablility of power application with the Trilogy kit was perfect through the stock tc. Again, Lidio tuned engine and tranny performance and was a genius at giving me exactly what I prefered. I do remember Marauderfest and or Marauderville IIIA, if they were the same. When Ed drove the FruitPunch away last month the Dash Plaque was still on display.:) Sgt. Mac brought those, as I recall. We shared a beer and some gator tail at Whitey's Fish Shack. A first for me. My first ride behind a Trilogized Marauder was the next day. Thanks Carfixer for that and so much more. The 110 was fittingly installed on Thanksgiving. No, The answer which should have come about 20 minutes ago is no, I don't remember. I am old, distracted, self absorbed and according bobby clobber, a poop. He has always been right! Thanks for the fun. Dennis

[BODYMAN]

I have driven PD blower marauders with stock stall, depending on power levels they will stall at a different rpm.
A 2004 eaton swapped marauder which has a slight higher stall than 03, pushing low 400rwhp stalled right at 1900 rpm after flashing the t/c numerous times. after me and my buddy installed a 2800 stall from circle d the car stalled right at 2500 rpm. This is my experience.
I think the stock stall is beast just because it holds mild punishment but when you go to the track twice a month and have it lockup after 3rd gear on each pass, sooner or later it will go boom. Then your down for $2500 or more becuase of not investing less than half of that on a better unit.

I Pretty much agree with what youre saying here Landy, However I find it amazing that Lidio recomends the factory stall verses a Aftermarket. Like Buckwheat mentioned when lidio built his stroker for him he opted to remove the aft Darrin at BC had put in & went back to the factory stall. I would have to say tuning plays such a huge roll in the equation in regards to whats a good stall. As a tuner can do alot to make it good or bad?

[LANDY]

I Pretty much agree with what youre saying here Landy, However I find it amazing that Lidio recomends the factory stall verses a Aftermarket. Like Buckwheat mentioned when lidio built his stroker for him he opted to remove the aft Darrin at BC had put in & went back to the factory stall. I would have to say tuning plays such a huge roll in the equation in regards to whats a good stall. As a tuner can do alot to make it good or bad? the only way I can think of him recomending the stock stall is because most people just drive on the street and think a 400rhwp marauder is really fast. Plus they drive around on stock tires and enjoy just burning rubber. For The few of us that want the car to stall when its already on boost and want the low 60' and ET, there is nothing like a t/c made for the application.

[Bradley G]

I am one that thinks 400 RWHP makes a fast car.
I agree it will be a whole different story to stall at the 80-90% of peak torque like Lonnie suggested for me was 3600 stall .
Since he has my dyno sheets and has never steered me wrong, I'm going with his recomendation.
He like you,.. said lower ET's for sure!

the only way I can think of him recomending the stock stall is because most people just drive on the street and think a 400rhwp marauder is really fast. Plus they drive around on stock tires and enjoy just burning rubber. For The few of us that want the car to stall when its already on boost and want the low 60' and ET, there is nothing like a t/c made for the application.

[BODYMAN]

the only way I can think of him recomending the stock stall is because most people just drive on the street and think a 400rhwp marauder is really fast. Plus they drive around on stock tires and enjoy just burning rubber. For The few of us that want the car to stall when its already on boost and want the low 60' and ET, there is nothing like a t/c made for the application.

Iam with ya on that Landy! but when Lidio built his car he knew John was a drag racer & would have to run a taller tire when at the track also John would surely upgrade eventually to stronger blower then a ported Trilogy & he is already 480ish so power level would be increased. It could be though kinda like what ur saying he wanted to keep it a very streetable (not that a diff stall you cant achieve this) high HP car. Also the fact he is thinking along the lines of a PD blower to I know on my car I wouldnt want it stalled to high as it could be to much R's for my set up as Iam making awesome power by 2300rpms. I truly dont know but I do know when time comes my stall will be upgraded from the factory one.

[sailsmen]

All the times I talk to Zack and it never amazes me how much knowledge he holds on our cars and Ford mod motor's in general. To have him as a friend I consider that a asset. Since the very begging he consistently has had one of the best running MM's out there. & he's just a kid LOL,LOL, Not that iam and old man but shoot 33/34 yrs old.;)

It seems when Shade Tree Mechanic vs Engineers Shade Tree Mechanic WINS!:D

[BODYMAN]

It seems when Shade Tree Mechanic vs Engineers Shade Tree Mechanic WINS!:D

One thing I learned along time ago is some of the best performance work is sometimes done not at a shop but at someones house & does it for a hobby.

[RF Overlord]

You like Chris and "The Shermanator"? :D

[LANDY]

One thing I learned along time ago is some of the best performance work is sometimes done not at a shop but at someones house & does it for a hobby.
True statement!

[Embassy]

Also contact Greggash, I know he's had a stock one laying around.

As do I. If anyone needs one, send me a PM. Pay for shipping (it's heavy) and it's your's.

And, I have a 3200 stall in my Procharged Marauder.

[justbob]

As do I. If anyone needs one, send me a PM. Pay for shipping (it's heavy) and it's your's.

And, I have a 3200 stall in my Procharged Marauder.

Can I grab it from you in Kentucky Steve?

Mikey, are we there yet???

[Embassy]

Can I grab it from you in Kentucky Steve?

Mikey, are we there yet???


You bet. Please send me a reminder the week of the event and I'll put the stock TC in the trunk.

[justbob]

You bet. Please send me a reminder the week of the event and I'll put the stock TC in the trunk.

Thanks man, will do.

Mikey, are we there yet???