Gas price jump!

[FastMerc]

I heard from a friend that runs a station that by some time tomorrow they are to raise gas .50 cents a gallon :eek: What the hell. I hope this is a joke! Right now it is 3.89 a gallon for Sunoco 93

[Go2GuyFL]

Oil companies are selling the surplus created by the mild winter overseas causing shortages domestically and increased prices. We should be charging them an export fee and forcing a minimum domestic supply.

[ktt]

Its 4.39 a gallon here in the bay are for 91 octane

[1 Bad Merc]

Just WoW!!!!!! I wonder how far we are going to have to bend over this time......

[hotford]

Well in the great white North it would cost ya 5.71 a gallon or 1.48 a liter for premium

[Shaijack]

3.56 Regular 3.85 93Oct. in New Orleans

[guspech750]

Isnt the price increase for a good cause?http://www.thechicagogarage.com/forum/images/smilies/durka.gif

[ktt]

IDK... But these gas prices are ridiculous!!!!!

[Spectragod]

Isnt the price increase for a good cause?http://www.thechicagogarage.com/forum/images/smilies/durka.gif

Sure, they are helping greedy people line their pockets.

[LUCKY GENE]

During a speech in Florida, BO said, "it's the easiest thing in the world to make phony election-year promises about lower gas prices."

Ah... the voice of experience.

[blazen71]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/angry-about-high-gas-prices--blame-shuttered-oil-refineries.html

[NXSBOB]

Glad I left CA!
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

[FastMerc]

People just need to standup and boycot this crap but there all chicken!!! It cant be a few it has to be the masses...

[ShadyLurker]

I've got 3.3 million gallons of gas about a quater mile behind me. Loaded it in Texas City, TX heading for Carteret NJ. Already have back orders to bring 75 thousand barrels of premium from Bayonne NJ to Wilmington DE. Someone is using plenty of this stuff. The company i work for has been busy as ever moving "clean oil"
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[bigrocks85]

I just fill up on tuesday at $4.41 for 91 and just right know when driving home the gas station had $4.79 for 91 I was like WTF:censor::censor:

[sailsmen]

WSJ 12-12-08
"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe," Mr. Chu, who directs the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in September.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html
Europe average Gasoline prices ~$8.00.

That's how you become Energy Sceretary BRA!

"CNBC John Harwood interview;
Barack Obama: I think that… we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage. And the president, frankly, hasn’t had an energy policy. And as a consequence we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.

CNBC’s John Harwood: So could the (high) oil prices help us?

Barack Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money in their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more rapidly, particularly U.S. automakers…"

When Energy is unaffordable you can't use it! Make Energy unaffordable and the problem is solved. You just don't get it!

Man you ain't seen nothing yet.

PS Gov't owns ~85% of the World's Oil. Why is Gov't charging the People so much for the Oil? Gov't has insaitiable GREED that can never be satisfied.

[mercury5]

it's $3.45 for 87, $3.55 for 89 and $3.65 for 93 her in Roanoke Va at the Truck stops:banana2:

[Bluerauder]

I heard from a friend that runs a station that by some time tomorrow they are to raise gas .50 cents a gallon :eek: What the hell. I hope this is a joke! Right now it is 3.89 a gallon for Sunoco 93

Why the surprise? Its that time of the year.:rolleyes: Happens every year in February and March based on predictions of higher summer traffic ..... more demand and less supply means higher prices. That's the way it works and it happens every year without fail for as long as I can remember. Each one of the major oil companies has one guy in charge of the gas price calendar. On 21 February, his job is to make the announcement of higher prices and get the ball rolling. ;) The current positions for the corresponding price decrease announcers is vacant .... and has been since 1968. :P

[babbage]

I think it was a big mistake not to start the XL Pipeline to Texas.

[jerrym3]

Oil companies are selling the surplus created by the mild winter overseas causing shortages domestically and increased prices. We should be charging them an export fee and forcing a minimum domestic supply.

No shortage here in North Jersey. No lines anywhere.

[Ozark Marauder]

Filled up yesterday $3.59, 94 octane, ten days ago paid $3.39. :mad:

[MM2004]

A couple days ago, 87 octane was $3.43. Overnight, it jumped to $3.75 with 93 octane now at $3.95.

:(

Mike.

[justbob]

With the company E250 I get around 10.5 to the gallon... Thank gawd for weekly reinbursments! Yesterday morning, $100 for 26 gal. Remember 20 years ago? That would have been $24.50! I guess its about time they raise the $100 limit paying at the pump...

[Pops]

3.99 for regular here!

[NXSBOB]

Just filled up this morning at Costco. $3.89 for premium. The guy working there said it went up 18 cents yesterday.

[tbone]

Californinans love regulations on everything from cow farts to saving the minnow (Delta Smelt), and their goofy regulations spread like a cancer across the USA, so they have no right to complain about gas prices, or anything else, imho. After all, there's a reason California was voted the least popular state in the union recently..........OVER REGULATION!!!!!

[Shaijack]

Regular 3.65 today 93 is 4.03
Big jump since yeaterday....

[NXSBOB]

Californinans love regulations on everything from cow farts to saving the minnow (Delta Smelt), and their goofy regulations spread like a cancer across the USA, so they have no right to complain about gas prices, or anything else, imho. After all, there's a reason California was voted the least popular state in the union recently..........OVER REGULATION!!!!!
CA also has special gas blend. When entering CA gas mileage drops about 10%.

[jerrym3]

I still remember gas in the 20+ cent (and lower) range. We'd pool our change, get 75 cents worth of gas, and ask the attendant to drain the hose.

Used to cost me $5 to fill up my new 65 Corvette.

[Filby'sMarauder]

$3.38 for 87 and $3.62 for 91 in Tulsa, Oklahoma area. We lost 93 at least 5 years ago. There was $.10 difference in price for each grade until a few months ago. It now is $.12 between grades. If it goes up $.50 the price difference will probably increase also. This is a great way to send us back in a recession. Diesel, which gets everything delivered is outrageous. Everything is going to increase in price again, except wages of course.

Brian

[FastMerc]

$3.38 for 87 and $3.62 for 91 in Tulsa, Oklahoma area. We lost 93 at least 5 years ago. There was $.10 difference in price for each grade until a few months ago. It now is $.12 between grades. If it goes up $.50 the price difference will probably increase also. This is a great way to send us back in a recession. Diesel, which gets everything delivered is outrageous. Everything is going to increase in price again, except wages of course.

Brian
You got that right!

[Horsepower]

There's no real shortage of gas (oil).... Nor is there any reason to charge more money. It's a mess how business is done these days.

[sailsmen]

There's no real shortage of gas (oil).... Nor is there any reason to charge more money. It's a mess how business is done these days.

Same can be said for the price of new cars, new shoes, new milk, new beef, new coffee, new butter. Every thing new is way over priced.

Oil is traded exclusively in DOLLARS. Dollar devalues what a Dollar will buy at the Pump is less.

[Go2GuyFL]

Same can be said for the price of new cars, new shoes, new milk, new beef, new coffee, new butter. Every thing new is way over priced.

Obama only offered cash incentives to get rid of older cars. Imagine what would happen if he gave away cash to buy new "energy efficient" appliances.

[jerrym3]

There's no real shortage of gas (oil).... Nor is there any reason to charge more money. It's a mess how business is done these days.

Correct. Not one gas line to be seen.

It's all due to speculators betting that a shortage is coming due to the mess in the middle east.

I say we make the middle east country with the largest oil reserves a US State, send Sarah Palin there as governor, since she already has experience dealing with oil companies, and claim "game over".

If other countries get angry, we'll just tell them that it was an accident and will never happen again.

We promise. :bigcry:

[sailsmen]

The Administration's policy has been to DEVALUE the Dollar a/k/a "QE".

Oil is traded exclusively in Dollars. Dollar goes down Oil automatically goes up.

[kernie]

So who is the republican savior?

[guspech750]

So who is the republican savior?

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He would fit right in with that bunch! Lol.

Great sign.

:D

[Baconbit]

Just paid $3.75/gal for 93 at Kroger........woulda been $3.95 but I got .20 cents off since I spent a cetrain amount on groceries......$60 later she's got a full belly:banana2:

[sailsmen]

When an Economy the size of the USA, ~22% of the World's, collapses the Despots of the World will rise up creating a World War.

Fortunately CANADA,being part of the World, will be right by our side as they have in the past, as We fight this World War.

The sooner the financial collpase happens the sooner the WW and lower the likely hood of the Despots delivering the Nucs to the USA and Canada.

The more important question is who will be the savior of the World, of which Canada is a part of?

How good are Canada's missle defense systems????????

Perhaps the Despots will find Canada an easier target then the USA??????;)

[pantheroc]

For a few days the leftover 93 octane was lower than the 87 in my hood. If I had my insurance enabled on the car I would have gone out and topped it off.

[dohc324ci]

Premium 91 octane in my city $4.25-4.55; last Saturday I paid $3.95! It's jump a dollar per gallon since earlier in the year. Glad I am taking the train more often.

[tbone]

This sums up how our current OBlamer in Chief and the lamestream media has handled the situation. Be sure to see the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oaq2fHiOOY

[dohc324ci]

According to Bill Maher Obama inherited this mess;)

[PonyUP]

According to Bill Maher Obama inherited this mess;)

Some of it he inherited, some of it he created. To think the current mess we are in was created by any one person is ludicrous. You guys give the President too much credit/blame.

This, like everything else we are struggling with was created by multiple corrupt politicians. Dems, Rep, and Tea Party are all to blame.

The problem is everyone gets caught up in playing to the lunatic fringe of their parties and completely ignore the middle class.

As the middle class goes, so does the country. Every politician has forgotten that.
From Obama mandating healthcare, Gingrich proposing a 51st state on the moon, Democrats wanting to regulate everything, Republicans wanted to increase freedom everywhere except in your bedroom.

They are all jacked up and you guys are having a discussion that can't possibly end in an agreeable outcome.

That my $.02, wasn't asked for and it usually isn't, but I offer it any way.


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[kernie]

So who is the republican savior?

Yup, looks like four more years.

[tbone]

Some of it he inherited, some of it he created. To think the current mess we are in was created by any one person is ludicrous. You guys give the President too much credit/blame.

This, like everything else we are struggling with was created by multiple corrupt politicians. Dems, Rep, and Tea Party are all to blame.

The problem is everyone gets caught up in playing to the lunatic fringe of their parties and completely ignore the middle class.

As the middle class goes, so does the country. Every politician has forgotten that.
From Obama mandating healthcare, Gingrich proposing a 51st state on the moon, Democrats wanting to regulate everything, Republicans wanted to increase freedom everywhere except in your bedroom.

They are all jacked up and you guys are having a discussion that can't possibly end in an agreeable outcome.

That my $.02, wasn't asked for and it usually isn't, but I offer it any way.


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Brad, I'm curious how you think the Tea Party is to blame for oil prices? It's all of 2 years old afterall. And their main thrust is small government and personal responsibility.

Republicans just don't want to pay for abortions or contraception, or have the government force religious institutions to provide it. No Republican ever promoted taking over bedroom freedoms. That's the liberal spin in effect trying to discredit anyone who disagrees with them.

The problem with Obama is that everything he does/says is anti-oil. Name one thing he's done/said that's pro-oil.

[PonyUP]

Brad, I'm curious how you think the Tea Party is to blame for oil prices? It's all of 2 years old afterall. And their main thrust is small government and personal responsibility.

Republicans just don't want to pay for abortions or contraception, or have the government force religious institutions to provide it. No Republican ever promoted taking over bedroom freedoms. That's the liberal spin in effect trying to discredit anyone who disagrees with them.

The problem with Obama is that everything he does/says is anti-oil. Name one thing he's done/said that's pro-oil.

I wasn't really referring to the Tea Party to blame for the gas, though I would say its a problem older than two years stretching back to the panic brought on following 9/11, the subsequent jumps following the wars, and it continues to get worse. Where I would say they hold some blame, equal to the Dems and Rep is the log jam that continues to exist and has for years.
My real point is that the President, while he can make an impact, has very little power in solving the mess. It needs to come from congress and none of them can agree on their lunch orders much less policy. In other words all of them are to blame.
Though, and maybe it is my perception more than reality, while I would agree they shouldn't be forced into paying for contraception, the agenda towards abortion and gay rights (gotta support our pal Joey :) )
Tends to make me feel that I am evil because of having premarital sex or birth control. I don't blame them for having the stance, as politicians you have to placate to where you largest financing is coming from.
But I remain, as I always have, in support of the person I feel has the best interest of the middle class and the things I believe at heart, regardless of party affiliation.
We do too much demonizing of all parties involved in this country to ever truly fix a problem, we just create more debates. Right now it's gas, it used to be the wars, then the oil spill, then the birth certificate, then celebrities coming to the White House, then Presidential vacation time and the list goes on. Some of those debates are critical and some are stupid. In ten years the parties will be debating something else and will fix nothing.
Fix the problems facing the middle class and you fix all the problems.

Btw way, how have you been man, you coming to Louisville this year? Would love to hoist some beers with you


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[FrankJAG]

Didn't Obama say that he wanted gas prices to go up? Looks like he made it happen!
I don't think our wallets can handle 4 more years of this, anyone is better than this misery.

[sailsmen]

When a President, via Executive Order, forces one Group of People, in this case Health Insurer's Employees and Owners, to work for another Group, in this case employees of certain religous groups, for FREE it is in violation of the 13th Amendment.

This was a test of the President's EO powers. They are only Limited to the extent they are accepted by the People.

What will be the next Group that he will force to work for FREE for another Group?

Will we stand by and watch as the President forces various Groups to work for FREE for various other Groups?

What will you do when the Presidente forces you to work for FREE for another Group?

Divide and Rule.

[tbone]

I wasn't really referring to the Tea Party to blame for the gas, though I would say its a problem older than two years stretching back to the panic brought on following 9/11, the subsequent jumps following the wars, and it continues to get worse. Where I would say they hold some blame, equal to the Dems and Rep is the log jam that continues to exist and has for years.
My real point is that the President, while he can make an impact, has very little power in solving the mess. It needs to come from congress and none of them can agree on their lunch orders much less policy. In other words all of them are to blame.
Though, and maybe it is my perception more than reality, while I would agree they shouldn't be forced into paying for contraception, the agenda towards abortion and gay rights (gotta support our pal Joey :) )
Tends to make me feel that I am evil because of having premarital sex or birth control. I don't blame them for having the stance, as politicians you have to placate to where you largest financing is coming from.
But I remain, as I always have, in support of the person I feel has the best interest of the middle class and the things I believe at heart, regardless of party affiliation.
We do too much demonizing of all parties involved in this country to ever truly fix a problem, we just create more debates. Right now it's gas, it used to be the wars, then the oil spill, then the birth certificate, then celebrities coming to the White House, then Presidential vacation time and the list goes on. Some of those debates are critical and some are stupid. In ten years the parties will be debating something else and will fix nothing.
Fix the problems facing the middle class and you fix all the problems.

Btw way, how have you been man, you coming to Louisville this year? Would love to hoist some beers with you


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I hate, and blame both parties, but one in particular really frosts my ass.;)
Not coming to Louisville, although I would love to. Still waiting for all that "Hope and Change" to come to this middle aged, now lower middle class, white boy so I can afford it. But I'll be there in spirit.:beer:

[sailsmen]

Didn't Obama say that he wanted gas prices to go up? Looks like he made it happen!
I don't think our wallets can handle 4 more years of this, anyone is better than this misery.

"CNBC John Harwood interview;
Barack Obama: I think that… we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage. And the president, frankly, hasn’t had an energy policy. And as a consequence we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.

CNBC’s John Harwood: So could the (high) oil prices help us?

Barack Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money in their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more rapidly, particularly U.S. automakers…"

[FrankJAG]

Drill baby drill!

[1 Bad Merc]

Does the Government get a fixed amount of taxes from a gallon of gas or is it a percentage?

If it is a percentage then why with the current debt problems would the government even want to lower gas prices? They would be losing valuable tax revenue that they desperately need to keep the doors open so if it is a percentage then they would rather keep getting the extra money while crying about the bad oil companies hurting everyone. It's a nice little shell game when you think about it....

[sailsmen]

You assume Gov't acts in the best interest of the People.

Gov't acts in the best interst of Gov't.

[MrBluGruv]

It's a nice little shell game when you think about it....

I think if you look at most big political things these days, it'll probably always come down to that.

It's funny, the Occupy movement could have been so much, if they were pointed in the right direction; they are right about a "1%", but they are wrong about who it is, not business owners per se but rather politicians.

Instead of Occupy Wall Street, it should have been Occupy Pennsylvania Ave. ...

[PonyUP]

I hate, and blame both parties, but one in particular really frosts my ass.;)
Not coming to Louisville, although I would love to. Still waiting for all that "Hope and Change" to come to this middle aged, now lower middle class, white boy so I can afford it. But I'll be there in spirit.:beer:
I'll hoist a couple in your honor my friend :beer:

[kernie]

You guys would be really, really pizzed if you didn't have the cheapest gas in the western world.

Five bucks plus here all the time, about $1.40 per litre for premium.

:beer:

[sailsmen]

I think if you look at most big political things these days, it'll probably always come down to that.

It's funny, the Occupy movement could have been so much, if they were pointed in the right direction; they are right about a "1%", but they are wrong about who it is, not business owners per se but rather politicians.

Instead of Occupy Wall Street, it should have been Occupy Pennsylvania Ave. ...

536, Congress + President, control ~25% of our Economy.

About $7 Billion each PER YEAR!

[tbone]

Socialsim has a steep price. We're on our way.

[MrBluGruv]

You guys would be really, really pizzed if you didn't have the cheapest gas in the western world.

Five bucks plus here all the time, about $1.40 per litre for premium.

:beer:


Yep, cause your $5 a gallon prices are totally justified too.

That's how we should feel about all things really; because the rest of the world doesn't have the things we have, we should feel too guilty to use them. :rolleyes:

[kernie]

Yep, cause your $5 a gallon prices are totally justified too.

That's how we should feel about all things really; because the rest of the world doesn't have the things we have, we should feel too guilty to use them. :rolleyes:

Well gas costs are about the same for us, similar in the western world really, it's just that your government taxes your gas less making your gas cheaper.

OK, nuff of the facts, back to blaming the government.
:beer:

[MrBluGruv]

Well gas costs are about the same for us, similar in the western world really, it's just that your government taxes your gas less making your gas cheaper.
:beer:


Aaaaannnndd......what?


Maybe I'm lost, are you trying to make a point or just stating a fact about lower taxes for the heck of it? :confused:

All I can gather, if you're trying to make a point, is that we shouldn't be upset with unnecessarily high gas prices because other places in the world have it even worse, as though that's some sort of justification.

[tbone]

Well gas costs are about the same for us, similar in the western world really, it's just that your government taxes your gas less making your gas cheaper.

OK, nuff of the facts, back to blaming the government.
:beer:

Again. Socialsim has a steep price.

[sailsmen]

Gov't owns ~85% of the Worlds Oil. Gov't gets rich selling to the People what belongs to them.:confused:

[duhtroll]

Which governments, specifically?


Gov't owns ~85% of the Worlds Oil. Gov't gets rich selling to the People what belongs to them.:confused:

[FastMerc]

Well dam 4 dollars a gallon here now. Dam govt!

[Shaijack]

93 oct $3.95 87 oct $3.56 going up every day.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Saw $4.49 here in Chitown for premium. The minimum wage worker can't even afford two gallons of gas!

[jgc61sr2002]

Saw $ 4.99 for regular on Long Island.

[MERCMAN]

3.99 for the "cheap" stuff here. Went up today from 3.85

[Bluerauder]

I filled up the SHO with Shell 87 yesterday for $2.189 per gallon. Gotta love those Giant points .... Saved $1.50 per gallon this time. :D

[jerrym3]

Heck, as a 1%, why should I care?

Sell me more of those Lambo whatevers and Ferrari do-dads and Mercedes-Benz watchamacallits.

Extra $50/100 per week for gas?

I'll just cut my pool boy's tip.

Joke!!

Speculation caused this increase, pure and simple.

Still. no gas shortages here in New Jersey.

[Merrill]

I don't care how high it gets, before I drive a glorified riding lawn mower I will just drive the marauder less. A mans got to have standards.

[knine]

Hey there, voter! Do you remember that on inauguration day (Jan 20th) 2009, the national average for a gallon of gasoline was $1.78 ? NO to new pipelines. NO to new drilling. No to new exploration at home. YES to more dependency on foreign oil.

It's about supply and demand. If you have excessive supply, the price goes down. That is why natural gas p[rices are at a historic low. New drilling and an increase in natural gas reserves and supply has driven the price of natural gas DOWN. Why is it the the President cannot figure that out? How's that "Hope and Change" working out for you ?

...and we cannot make tungsten fillament light bulbs anymore (don't break a new CFL, they contain MERCURY and you have to decon your house at the cost of several thousands of dollars). Today's socialist government news: free condoms because the "poor" cannot afford or find them. WTF? A half hour dedicated for callers on Sean Hannity for ANYONE to call in who cannot find or afford condoms. NOT ONE CALL.

This socialist, "government knows better than us" attitude has to stop. Don't know what to feed your kids? Apparently not, as the news picks up stories of school lunch room monitors confiscating children lunches form home because "they" dont think it is nutritious enough (the lunch which had fruit in it was replaced with chicken nuggets. Battered, deep fried nuggets).

A recent govt. proposal is that sugar should be a regulated item, like tobacco and alcohol (again because WE don't know what to eat or how to raise our kids). Yes, you will need govt approval to buy a Coke or Pepsi. Now, if you'll excuse me I have to go flush the toilet a few times because my "Govt low flow toilet" wont send my little politician to the septic field.

[PonyUP]

Hey there, voter! Do you remember that on inauguration day (Jan 20th) 2009, the national average for a gallon of gasoline was $1.78 ? NO to new pipelines. NO to new drilling. No to new exploration at home. YES to more dependency on foreign oil.

It's about supply and demand. If you have excessive supply, the price goes down. That is why natural gas p[rices are at a historic low. New drilling and an increase in natural gas reserves and supply has driven the price of natural gas DOWN. Why is it the the President cannot figure that out? How's that "Hope and Change" working out for you ?

...and we cannot make tungsten fillament light bulbs anymore (don't break a new CFL, they contain MERCURY and you have to decon your house at the cost of several thousands of dollars). Today's socialist government news: free condoms because the "poor" cannot afford or find them. WTF? A half hour dedicated for callers on Sean Hannity for ANYONE to call in who cannot find or afford condoms. NOT ONE CALL.

This socialist, "government knows better than us" attitude has to stop. Don't know what to feed your kids? Apparently not, as the news picks up stories of school lunch room monitors confiscating children lunches form home because "they" dont think it is nutritious enough (the lunch which had fruit in it was replaced with chicken nuggets. Battered, deep fried nuggets).

A recent govt. proposal is that sugar should be a regulated item, like tobacco and alcohol (again because WE don't know what to eat or how to raise our kids). Yes, you will need govt approval to buy a Coke or Pepsi. Now, if you'll excuse me I have to go flush the toilet a few times because my "Govt low flow toilet" wont send my little politician to the septic field.

I agree with a lot of what you say here E, though I would add we need to open up all drilling, yes, we also need to pursue alternatives like natural gas. The key is it has to be realistic, solar and wind farms aren't realistic.
But providing condoms to the poor I think is a civic duty just to control the population, they also need to be provided to highschoolers for the same reason. Children should not be accidents, but answers to prayers. So making it easier for people to prevent it when it's a result they don't want, makes sense I believe.


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[guspech750]

I agree with a lot of what you say here E, though I would add we need to open up all drilling, yes, we also need to pursue alternatives like natural gas. The key is it has to be realistic, solar and wind farms aren't realistic.
But providing condoms to the poor I think is a civic duty just to control the population, they also need to be provided to highschoolers for the same reason. Children should not be accidents, but answers to prayers. So making it easier for people to prevent it when it's a result they don't want, makes sense I believe.


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If your on Welfare. A woman automatically gets her tubes tied. And a man gets his junk snipped. BAM!! Problem solved.

These idiots are not going to bother with a condom. They are on welfare for a reason. Because they are idiots. They'll most likely use the condom to fill and smuggle cocain in them.

Yo Brad. There is a difference between poor and on welfare in my eyes.
Poor- One who has a low paying job and trying to make ends meet. Possibly give condoms to this person.

Welfare- Lifeless loser who is wasting our oxygen,tax dollars and never intends on working ever. No condoms for this POS and should have their junk tied or snipped. Or simply thrown into a mean green electric making machine to provide free green energy to us hard working folk.




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[duhtroll]

Forced sterilization?

Screw that. Contraceptives now mandatory in all drinking water. People now have to apply to be parents and those approved get the antidote to the contraceptive.

BAM! Problem solved.

Yeah, that was a joke.


If your on Welfare. A woman automatically gets her tubes tied. And a man gets his junk snipped. BAM!! Problem solved.

These idiots are not going to bother with a condom. They are on welfare for a reason. Because they are idiots. They'll most likely use the condom to fill and smuggle cocain in them.

Yo Brad. There is a difference between poor and on welfare in my eyes.
Poor- One who has a low paying job and trying to make ends meet. Possibly give condoms to this person.

Welfare- Lifeless loser who is wasting our oxygen,tax dollars and never intends on working ever. No condoms for this POS and should have their junk tied or snipped. Or simply thrown into a mean green electric making machine to provide free green energy to us hard working folk.




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[guspech750]

Forced sterilization?

Screw that. Contraceptives now mandatory in all drinking water. People now have to apply to be parents and those approved get the antidote to the contraceptive.

BAM! Problem solved.

Yeah, that was a joke.

Hey. If you want to pay for the ones who refuse to contribute to a good society and let them produce 10 fold like rats . Then by all means just send me a check for my portion of wasted tax dollars every week that goes towards these generation welfare families.

There's a difference between "people" who are useful, contribute and try to solve the problems. They don't need approval just as it is today.

Welfare abusing POS's don't have any rights to reproduce. They are life's leaches. And their children grow up and they too become leaches.

We end up footing the bill for some worthless life that has pushed out 6 kids from 28 different possible fathers.

Welfare = no reproducing kids. Until they get off their ass and work for a living. No kids for them. When they can afford to and prove they can pay for them selves and a child. Simply get their tubes or man junk fixed on their dime of course to get a taste of what we do everyday. It's a simple plan. And just common sense.



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[yjmud]

the problem with that it sounds a lot like 1930's Germany I think there should be a time limit for welfare and if you reproduce while on welfare your payment goes down until it is nothing
+ if you sign up for welfare you need to be drug tested to receive

[kernie]

I can't believe what i read here anymore.

Gonna start calling the taliban liberals soon.

[tbone]

Obviously people are exaggerating on sterilization and all that nonsense. Read between the lines. People are pissed and scared for our country. The gravy train is out of control and it's primarily the fault of progressives.

[PonyUP]

Obviously people are exaggerating on sterilization and all that nonsense. Read between the lines. People are pissed and scared for our country. The gravy train is out of control and it's primarily the fault of progressives.

True enough, people are pissed. We have been in a downward spiral for 20 years and it's every politicians fault. Liberal or Democrat, Republican or Conservative, they have all done an incredible disservice to this country. This is too big of mess to be caused by one person. You can't blame Bush alone and you can't blame Obama alone. While they each can take a portion of the blame, they are also victims of a congress that enjoys fighting more than they creating legislation.
I don't think it's fair to blame one party or one person, blame the jackasses that go to Washington and do nothing but be antagonistic.

Which brings us back to gas, you guys are acting like this is the first time gas has been this high. It started with 9/11 and greedy gas station owners jacking guess because of fear. That's the first time I saw $5/gallon and that was in Tucson.
You people that love to spout conspiracy, consider gas prices have been on a huge incline for the last 10 years, and now the national average is at its highest.
Now I'll shock you, conspiracy on this is accurate. Government loves us dependent on gas, I don't care what the public face is of the democratic party, they all want us on gas.
Miles per gallon have been on the rise in cars for decades which means people aren't at the pump as much. So they rise gas prices to make up for the drop in revenue.
Hotels did the same thing. Remember before cell phones what the cost was on a local call was in a hotel room. When hotels lost that revenue they added Internet and raised room rates to make up for the revenue. The same thing is happening with gas. If Hybrids became the norm, gas would hit $6, that's my two cents.


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[guspech750]

True enough, people are pissed. We have been in a downward spiral for 20 years and it's every politicians fault. Liberal or Democrat, Republican or Conservative, they have all done an incredible disservice to this country. This is too big of mess to be caused by one person. You can't blame Bush alone and you can't blame Obama alone. While they each can take a portion of the blame, they are also victims of a congress that enjoys fighting more than they creating legislation.
I don't think it's fair to blame one party or one person, blame the jackasses that go to Washington and do nothing but be antagonistic.

Which brings us back to gas, you guys are acting like this is the first time gas has been this high. It started with 9/11 and greedy gas station owners jacking guess because of fear. That's the first time I saw $5/gallon and that was in Tucson.
You people that love to spout conspiracy, consider gas prices have been on a huge incline for the last 10 years, and now the national average is at its highest.
Now I'll shock you, conspiracy on this is accurate. Government loves us dependent on gas, I don't care what the public face is of the democratic party, they all want us on gas.
Miles per gallon have been on the rise in cars for decades which means people aren't at the pump as much. So they rise gas prices to make up for the drop in revenue.
Hotels did the same thing. Remember before cell phones what the cost was on a local call was in a hotel room. When hotels lost that revenue they added Internet and raised room rates to make up for the revenue. The same thing is happening with gas. If Hybrids became the norm, gas would hit $6, that's my two cents.


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Well then there is only one solution.



We need to rid the world of hybrids and hotels!!

:lol:


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[tbone]

Obama's printing presses, the national debt and the Federal Reserve loaning money out of thin air is causing the dollar to lose it's value faster and faster. It may even be stripped of its status as the worlds benchmark currency. That and completely out of control spending has put our future in dire straits.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

That's why Ron Paul is the only hope if any.

[tbone]

That's why Ron Paul is the only hope if any.

Except his foreign affairs ideas are so painfully ignorant of the dangerous world we live in.

[sailsmen]

Per the OMB and IMF the current Public Debt, Deficit and Spending have placed the USA in "new terroritory" therefore the point at which collapse occurrs cannot be determined.

In three years the Public Debt increased 80% as a result of increasing Federal spending 29%.

What the President does not understand is since oil is currently traded exclusively in USA dollars the only thing backing up the USA dollar is oil. On 2 previous occasions India, Russia and China have attempted to agree on trading oil in non USA dollars. To date they have not obtained an agreement.

When you look at the resumee's of the Admin and I have read every one. I canno find any who are Business Owners outside a law firm or lobbying firm. They are all from Gov't and Academia. This was evident by the 1099 requirement for every transaction over $900, just pure ignorance on their part.

8 Year Annual Average Clinton vs Bush
Measurement 60 Year Post WW II Annual Average President Clinton President Bush
8 Years Annual Average Unemployment 5.60% 5.21% 5.26%
8 Years Annual Average Annual Deficit as a Percent of our Economy -1.70% -0.08% -2.00%
8 Years Annual Average Public Debt as a Percent of our Economy 40.80% 44.90% 36.10%
8 Years Annual Average Annual Tax Collections N/A $1.55 Trillion $2.14 Trillion
8 Years Annual Average Spending as a Percent of our economy 19.90% 19.80% 19.60%

3 Year Annual Average Clinton vs Bush vs Obama
Measurement 60 Year Post WW II Annual Average President Clinton President Bush President Obama
3 Years Annual Average Unemployment 5.60% 6.20% 5.50% 9.30%
3 Years Annual Average Annual Deficit as a Percent of our Economy -1.70% -3.00% -1.20% -9.90%
3 Years Annual Average Public Debt as a Percent of our Economy 40.80% 49.20% 33.90% 62.60%
3 Years Annual Average Annual Tax Collections N/A $1.25 Trillion $1.88 Trillion $2.15 Trillion
3 Years Annual Average Spending as a Percent of our economy 19.90% 21.00% 19.00% 24.70%

Note: All Data is from the Government BLS and OMB

[guspech750]

Except his foreign affairs ideas are so painfully ignorant of the dangerous world we live in.

I say screw the rest of the world. Time for them to suffer without our assistance while we take care of our own problem. Time to become isolationists. And anyone who messes with us. We just send wave after wave of carpet bombing runs. Plain and simple. And it's just common sense. :)


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[sailsmen]

From the OMB - Public Debt as a % of GDP;

Clinton 1993 49.3
1994 49.2
1995 49.1
1996 48.4
1997 45.9
1998 43.0
1999 39.4
2000 34.7
Bush 2001 32.5
2002 33.6
2003 35.6
2004 36.8
2005 36.9
2006 36.5
2007 36.2
2008 40.3
Obama 2009 53.5
2010 62.2
2011 estimate 72.0
"Debt levels may also affect economic growth rates. Economists Kenneth Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart reported in2010 that among the 20 advanced countries studied, average annual GDP growth was 3-4% when debt was relativelymoderate or low (i.e. under 60% of GDP), but it dips to just 1.6% when debt was high (i.e. above 90% of GDP)."

Pres Obama's Budgeted spending through 2016 of 21.5+% GDP and Public Debt of 70+% knowingly results in unemployment continuing at current levels. Hence my Avatar.

[LIGHTNIN1]

I say screw the rest of the world. Time for them to suffer without our assistance while we take care of our own problem. Time to become isolationists. And anyone who messes with us. We just send wave after wave of carpet bombing runs. Plain and simple. And it's just common sense. :)


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And make the first three carpet bombings with BIG NUKES and we will not have to do it again, everyone will get the idea.

[FastMerc]

I don't care how high it gets, before I drive a glorified riding lawn mower I will just drive the marauder less. A mans got to have standards.
I am with you on that,you wont see my ass in a over priced over rated chevy volt that wont be worth a nickel as a used car.Especially cuz it will need a new battery...

[sailsmen]

Total Gov't Spending per Private Sector Worker - $58,100

Total Gov't Spending as a % of GDP - 44.3%.

No Economy in the World can support a Gov't Overhead of $58,100 per Private Sector Worker.

This is why Gov't is borrowing at such high levels. ~42% of every Dollar spent on the Federal Level is borrowed.

The Gov't spending steals your Wealth while the Gov't borrowing enslaves your future Wealth by spending it before you have even earned it.:mad2:

We can no longer afford this Gov't.

[sailsmen]

Obviously people are exaggerating on sterilization and all that nonsense. Read between the lines. People are pissed and scared for our country. The gravy train is out of control and it's primarily the fault of progressives.

I grew up playing with "troubled" orphans that my family took in for free to straighten them out.

Most did get straightened out and lead productive lives.

Time to bring back the orphanages. Stop penalizing good behavior and rewarding bad behavior.

Wether it be investment bankers, auto cos, unions, home "borrowers" or baby mamas. Stop penalizing by stealing the wealth of the productive who engage in responsible behavior and using it to reward those who engage in irresponsible behavior.

[screamn]

I heard from a friend that runs a station that by some time tomorrow they are to raise gas .50 cents a gallon :eek: What the hell. I hope this is a joke! Right now it is 3.89 a gallon for Sunoco 93

Try living in paradise.....everything is over inflated and petro is no different. :(

Right now Supreme (92 octane) is on the average of $4.50 a gallon on Oahu and even higher on the other islands as shipping fees are added.

Everyday the price keeps increasing by 3-4 cents a gallon which adds up considerably after a week or two.

[tbone]

I say screw the rest of the world. Time for them to suffer without our assistance while we take care of our own problem. Time to become isolationists. And anyone who messes with us. We just send wave after wave of carpet bombing runs. Plain and simple. And it's just common sense. :)


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If it wasn't for the USA, the whole world would have gone down the toilet long ago. The problem is, if the USA goes isolationist, the shitstorm that follows would eventually effect us in ways that would be catastrophic. Like it or not, we're stuck being "world police".

But, we need to be paid for it. Why countries like Japan and Germany get off paying nothing for our defense of them is unconscionable.

[sailsmen]

Best thing Trump brought to the Table. Send Germany, South Korea and Japan a bill, pay in 30 days or we are out.

Same with NATO countries, send them a Bill.

50+% of the Population of Europe over 55 is retired on a Gov't Pension.

We continue to bail out Europe with our SS money.

How does it feel to have your SS retirement age raised to 69.5 and benefits cut 24% so Europeans can sip coffee at age 56?

We have guarranteed an unlimited amount of dollars in exchange for EUROS.

But our STUPID Gov't says we are not at risk because the European Central Bank has guarranteed to pay us back. Guess what they are going to pay us back in EUROS!
(FT, Stanley Pignal 2-16-12 - ".......people aged 55 to 64 still work. Further south, in France or Italy for example, the figure is under 40 per cent."