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na svt
03-12-2012, 12:09 PM
The intake valve closing point is the most important cam event as is sets the RPM at which peak power occurs and also how much mid range power and tq are made. The second most important cam event is the intake valve opening point. The Marauder intake valves (@.050") close around 33 deg ABDC (which is okay for a 10:1 engine) and the intake valve opening point is 23 deg ATDC.

The intake valve opening point of 23deg ATDC means the intake valve doesn't reach .050" open until the crank is well past top dead center. This is a problem as cylinder filling begins before TDC and the first half (TDC to 90 deg ATDC) of the intake stroke is the best time to fill the cylinder. To open the valve sooner the intake cam would need to be advanced a lower lobe center (LC), but it's not that easy.

Here's where the problem lies, advancing the Marauder intake LC to say, 108, will increase cylinder filling and as a result add a good amount of mid range hp and tq, however this will also lower the RPM at which peak power occurs. Peak power in the Marauder occurs low enough and advancing the intake cams would place peak around 5000rpm and power will drop off quickly thereafter.

Some people think that longer duration cams will kill tq and mid range power, even the Cobra cams. Well that is incorrect and here's why, their longer duration allows for a more efficient intake stroke while keeping the intake valve closing at a point that allows for peak power to occur anywhere from 5800-6300rpm (depending on intake LC). When installed at a lobe center of 108, the .050" intake valve opening point is 6 deg ATDC and the intake valve closing point is 30 deg ABDC. The intake valve opens 17 degrees earlier allowing far more air/fuel into the cylinder. The intake valve closing point is earlier which raises the dynamic compression ratio resulting in higher tq and mid range power.

Mid-range hp and tq will decrease and the powerband will shift to the right as the intake lobe center is retarded from 108. The RPM at which peak power occurs will also shift to the right and if using a stock intake manifold it will go no higher than 6300 on an n/a combo. All cars with a 6200 or less shift point should set the intakes at 108, once again n/a. So, the cobra cams with longer duration will increase tq, mid range power and peak hp. Centri cars can shift higher as teh pressurized intake charge forces the intake manifold to make power beyond it's n/a limit. PD blown combos have no runners therefore there is no intake runner imposed barrier to RPMs.

The next topic, how cobra cams can fix (sorta) the low compression, no torque producing, Cobra shortblock. The static compression of this engine is too low and as such should never be installed in a heavy, automatic transmission vehicle. At 12psi this shortblock is down 50rwhp/rwtq when compared to a 10:1 combo. You can get a lot of the hp/tq back by installing cobra intake cams at a lobe center no higher than 108, me, well I think I'd go with 106 for combos shifted at 6000rpm. Advancing the stock cams increases tq as much as 30ft lbs, cobra intake cams add as much as 50 ft lbs at 4000rpm. The intake cams can be run at lower than stock lobe centers with FI also, I'd set them at 108 for centri combo and no lower than 110 for a PD blower.

The factory lobe centers for the Cobra intake cams is 119/110 giving them an intake valve closing point of 41 deg ABDC and the opening point of 17 deg ATDC. Installing these cams at at their factory lobe centers will reduce tq and mid range power.

Maintaining tq and mid range hp with even longer duration cams is possible if the LC is no higher than 106 and the intake valve closing point is no later than 36 degrees ATDC. With this in mind, good cams for an n/a combo would look something like 220 deg @.050" with a 106 lobe center.

burt ragio
03-12-2012, 12:33 PM
Very interesting write up. RacerX did a cobra cam swap maybe last fall found it worth apx 50 hp.

Granddaddy Marq
03-12-2012, 12:43 PM
Pix or it didn't happen!

na svt
03-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Pix or it didn't happen!

pics of what?

Mercguy04
03-12-2012, 01:59 PM
So Todd, the 96 to 98 cams are good for N/A engines and not for Blowers
Or is it the other way around.
Please excuse me for not knowing

na svt
03-12-2012, 02:29 PM
So Todd, the 96 to 98 cams are good for N/A engines and not for Blowers
Or is it the other way around.
Please excuse me for not knowing

They are good for both n/a and FI. In FI combos the exhaust cams should be advanced as well as the intake cams, n/a combos don't require the exhaust cams to be moved.

J.bo
03-12-2012, 04:59 PM
NA SVT, what's up with the new intake design? Any updates, pics?

We need a step by step instructions with clear pics on how to swap and advance these cams.

RacerX
03-12-2012, 06:35 PM
Very interesting write up. RacerX did a cobra cam swap maybe last fall found it worth apx 50 hp.
Thanks, but, that's 50hp at the crank and there were a bunch of mods done all at once.

Brandy new engine with flat top pistons, pro balanced forged rotating assembly, 98 Cobra cams non-degreed, NAZ PSRI (9.5"), ported/polished 9 thread heads, FRPP shorty headers (no gain NA), Cobra exhaust-high flow Maganaflow cats with X-pipe out to Magnaflow mufflers and stock tips.

I did all that in one install and got the dyno. So I can't justify any one component giving the raise in numbers. :beer: Actually, it was 58hp at the crank. Went from a stock 302hp to 360hp.

Mike M
03-12-2012, 06:53 PM
The intake valve closing point is the most important cam event as is sets the RPM at which peak power occurs and also how much mid range power and tq are made. The second most important cam event is the intake valve closing point.


Intake vale closing point is the first AND second most important event?

RacerX
03-13-2012, 06:02 AM
Thanks as usual Todd! :beer:

Mike M
03-13-2012, 08:11 AM
[QUOTE=RacerX;1159260]I believe he meant Intake Opening first and intake closing second. He'll chime in and edit. ;)[/QUOTE

Makes sense.

na svt
03-13-2012, 08:21 AM
Intake vale closing point is the first AND second most important event?

It's the most important but not enough so to be considered both first and second in order of importance.


I believe he meant Intake Opening first and intake closing second. He'll chime in and edit. ;)

I fixed it. The most important event is the intake valve closing.

NA SVT, what's up with the new intake design? Any updates, pics?

We need a step by step instructions with clear pics on how to swap and advance these cams.

I have step-by-step instructions for degreeing, you can email me at nasvt at yahoo and I'll get them to ya.

I've been working on intakes for other people so that one has been on the put aside for a couple weeks.