Marauder can't pass a VW?

[pem]

Back in mid-January of this year, the Chicago Sun Times Media writer, Ira Siegel was road testing a 2012 Beetle equipped with the 200hp turbo 4 cylinder engine. On his return from a jaunt to St. Louis on Interstate 55, he passed a slower moving Marauder around Braidwood, Illinois. He said in his article that the driver of the Marauder didn't seem to like being passed by a Beetle and made several attempts to overtake him. It didn't happen as the Beetle held its ground and kept the Marauder in its rear view mirror until he exited onto Interstate 80 and waved good bye. I don't know if there is a moral to this story besides the fact that turbo 4's in a light weight car are fast. Did the Marauder driver really try to pass the VW? Maybe just wanted a closer look? We'll never know, unless the Marauder owner steps up to the plate and confesses that it did happen (and hopefully has a trilogy S/C on order).

[DOOM]

Wasn't me!!!!! :P

[Baconbit]

Sounds like BS to me:bs:

[a_d_a_m]

Well, I can safely debunk the subject line of this thread...

My Marauder (mostly stock) smoked a brand-new VW CC turbo just a few nights ago. Dude was talking massive amounts of smack and finally I had to find out who was faster.

Of course, it was a professional driver on a closed course...

[BritMarauder]

Yep. Light weight turbos are fast. I used to own a Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth back in the UK. That would smoke my Marauder if they ever would have gone head to head, but what do you want? It was 300 hp in a car half the weight.

It's about bhp per ton. Physics.

Now I love the Marauder just as much as the Cossie, but I understand it's limitations, i.e. corners..! Try cornering fast in our Marauders and you hear tire squeal and then you start to swap ends! Lol! Love the car for cruising and traffic lights tho.

Simon.

[BUCKWHEAT]

I didn't check the specs, but I recall the new beetles are relatively heavy, not light weight.

[Bluerauder]

I didn't check the specs, but I recall the new beetles are relatively heavy, not light weight.
Curb weight for the 2012 VW Turbo Beetle is 3,175 pounds.

My guess is that the Marauder wasn't even trying .... weight to horsepower says there should have been a different story ending. Either that or Ira is taking alot of literary license. ;)

VW Turbo Beetle 15.88 pounds per horsepower.
Stock Marauder 13.82 pounds per HP.
Tuned Marauder 12.46 pounds per HP.
S/C Marauder 9.28 pounds per HP.

In OEM Stock condition the Marauder has a 13% advantage in HP to weight. More so with just a tune or a supercharger. This should have been NO CONTEST with the right driver.

[boatmangc]

Wasn't my Marauder!

[Ms. Denmark]

In response to the OPs premise, there are far too many mitigating factors and unknowns. A big unknown is the state of mind, not to mention competitive drive, of the Marauder driver. It's not possible to know if the Marauder was unable or just unwilling to pass the Beetle from the info provided. Or the Marauder was possibly oblivious to the fact that the Beetle was trying to run him. :dunno: For example, I know I could blow the doors off my husband's Titan but I choose not to.... who wants to see a grown man cry. :D :D

[Da Dark Jedi]

Probably was me... I could care less about racing on the X-way yet alone who passes me, but thats just me.

[Bluerauder]

It's not possible to know if the Marauder was unable or just unwilling to pass the Beetle from the info provided. :D

I think we can .... see numbers in the post #7 ^^^^^ above. :D Clear advantage to the Marauder .... "if he wanted to".


.... who wants to see a grown man cry. :D :D

Me, Me, Me ...... can we set this up as a Carlisle Event !!!! ;)

[slickster]

The new 2012 Turbo laid down a stout 6.3-second 0-60-mph time, 0.8 second faster than the old car. The new car ran the quarter mile in 14.9 seconds at 94.7 mph, 0.3 second faster than the old car

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1110_2012_volkswagen_beetle_an d_beetle_turbo_first_test/#ixzz1q2VNGl4Q

[Spectragod]

It was probably a CLONE, and the writer, Ira, didn't know the difference? I wouldn't expect them to think of the Marauder as anything other than a gas hog, I am sure they cherish the VW, Fiat 500, Smart for 2 etc..

It wouldn't have passed me, if a CTS-V can't, a turbo slug won't either.

[BritMarauder]

I was just looking for my old Cossie 0-60 times, and found fastestcosworth.com

You guys might want to check that out. 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, and 200 mph comes in 24.5 seconds. That's from a 4 cylinder 2 liter engine. That's us mad Europeans for you! :banana2:

Si.

[kmastl]

2012 VW 2.0 Turbo

0 - 60 7.6
1/4 Mile 15.6

Stock for stock would be a good race.

[DOOM]

Maybe it was a gran marquis??? :dunno:

[05crownsport]

I was just looking for my old Cossie 0-60 times, and found fastestcosworth.com

You guys might want to check that out. 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, and 200 mph comes in 24.5 seconds. That's from a 4 cylinder 2 liter engine. That's us mad Europeans for you! :banana2:

Si.

I wish ford would have imported the RS's instead of the Merkur derivatives. The European market seemed to always have more fun. That trend seems to be changing as the ford world car theme is taking hold. We'll see how the focus st fares.

[BritMarauder]

Agreed. And the Focus and Fiesta both have RS derivatives, as well as a lot of levels in between. The US is slowly getting more smaller engined high power rides.

The acceleration, dump valve and waste gate actuator sounds you get with a tuned turbo are really addictive. You can always keep a V8 in the garage for the weekends!

:)

[justbob]

Please feel free to send Ira my contact info and to set up a time at track of choice, mod away on his bug (no restrictions) and to bring a large wad of cash.

Thank you.

[Mr. Man]

In response to the OPs premise, there are far too many mitigating factors and unknowns. A big unknown is the state of mind, not to mention competitive drive, of the Marauder driver. It's not possible to know if the Marauder was unable or just unwilling to pass the Beetle from the info provided. Or the Marauder was possibly oblivious to the fact that the Beetle was trying to run him. :dunno: For example, I know I could blow the doors off my husband's Titan but I choose not to.... who wants to see a grown man cry. :D :D

Well it looks like I have a date at Island dragway this Summer to see if the Mrs. can smoke me ......in the Marauder that is and to finally put to rest my buddy and his 5.3l Chevy pick-up that he insists is quicker than the T. If it were to snow I could finally put a cork in Doomie as well:cool:

[Da Dark Jedi]

Please feel free to send Ira my contact info and to set up a time at track of choice, mod away on his bug (no restrictions) and to bring a large wad of cash.

Thank you.


And I'll have you covered.

[dohc324ci]

Those new beetles look much better IMO. I like the new look. Still it's a bug?

[DOOM]

Maybe he meant a 1963 marauder and not a 2003 marauder. :D

[tbone]

I was just looking for my old Cossie 0-60 times, and found fastestcosworth.com

You guys might want to check that out. 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, and 200 mph comes in 24.5 seconds. That's from a 4 cylinder 2 liter engine. That's us mad Europeans for you! :banana2:

Si.

I saw the Wheeler Dealers episode on the Cosworth Sierra. Pretty nice car. No pinache though.

My 1988 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z was as fast as a 5.0 Mustang back in the day. 4 cylinder turbos can really haul. But nothing is cooler than an American V8.

[Blackened300a]

I saw the Wheeler Dealers episode on the Cosworth Sierra. Pretty nice car. No pinache though.

I see I'm not the only one who likes that show. ;)

No video or proof means it never happened and its all hype. Maybe we should contact the author and offer a open invitational to have him bring his rocket VW to meet some fellow Marauder owners and see who struggles to pass who.

[knine]

Wasn't me. I always take the next exit after Braidwood when I'm N.B. 55 (to head home). Never go north of it. Besides, I have a BLUE, the fast color. It can take any German engineered p.o.s.

The reason a MM couldn't catch anything in that area is because of the bumper to bumper a-holes and left lane 50 mph drivers. Really, the drivers in this area have rectal-cranial inversion. I have never seen such a poor display of driving skills in a set part of the country in my life. I can be running code to a call, with siren blaring and some idiot will go from the right lane into the left lane, in my path, with no signal, in the middle of nowhere (no exits, nothing). People will wait until you get behind them then jam on the brakes in hopes you hit them rather than yield to emergency vehicles.

And accident scenes? Hell, they roar right thru barely slowing to 70 unless they have to get in the left lane, then its about 50...and only because there is an ECNALUBMA (read it backwards, someone actually asked what it meant) behind them trying to get to the scene. A friend has a tow company. He lost a brand new tow truck to a doofus diesel dummy that plowed thru an accident scene in this area mentioned in the "test drive". People were diving for cover like Casey diving for a re-release of a 80's hairband album. I heard a mullet was injured in that maylay (poor little mullet). ....and the mullets wife/girlfriend, the cow, cannot move very fast either (unless you yell "FREE ICECREAM" then it's a stampeed).

Chicago area drivers suck. Almost nightly we get calls of "wrong way drivers" on one of the interstates. How fraking hard is it to figure out which way you should be going on an interstate?

Look at the article refered to in the first post. Rather than take that car to one of a number of tracks in the area, they race on the interstate on their "return trip" driving like a crazed moron, darting in and out of traffic and put the innocent motoring public (both of them) at risk rather than a safe controlled area where selective intervention and thinning of the herd would take out the dolts and leave the mullets and thier families alone. It's bad enough the area roads are littered with broken condoms, positive EPT test kits and empty bear cans, we don't need a crumpled VW in the mix.

Rant over. :argue:

[knine]

:shake: just :shake: