NA MuscleMerc catchcan owners

[ctrlraven]

Has anyone pulled off their intake side tube since they installed it and checked to see if there was any oil getting into the intake side tube? I pulled mine off today and sure enough there was oil in it so that kind of defeats the purpose of the whole catch can theory.

Going to pulled the intake manifold off sometime soon and clean it, in the mean while I am going to revisit my old catch can at least that one allowed zero oil to get by even if it had a whole cup of oil in it. I might also just get a catch can with a breather filter on it.

[babbage]

Yep, big time. Didn't want to slam Travis so I kept my mouth shut. The $40 Parker Style actually work - and they are easy to clean.

[dohc324ci]

Thanks for sharing...Ive always been on the fence with that bling piece.

[bolsen]

I recently found a cobra guy who made one using a Kobalt (Lowes brand) oil/water seperator that holds a HUGE amount of oil. It looks like it holds 8-10oz. I'm going to make one using his instructions. The best part is - the parts only run you around $30. I also want to instal a Metco breather.

[bolsen]

Yep, big time. Didn't want to slam Travis so I kept my mouth shut. The $40 Parker Style actually work - and they are easy to clean.
It's nice to not slam people, but it's also nice to warn/inform people. I guess it's not really trash talking if it's true and it's coming from you wanting to inform potential buyers and not just deminish tyhe sellers reputation.

:beer:

[ctrlraven]

I just think his design is flawed some, the inlet side from the pcv should run further down into the can near the bottom, drill some air bypass holes and then stuff stainless steel mesh into the can above the bottom of the inlet side tube that comes down into the can.

I'm not slamming him by any means. Last year I noticed some oil and kept quiet, thought maybe I had let too much oil collect in the can and cleaned the intake side tube. There was some there about 1k miles ago when I last dumped the catch can, figured I would spray it out and clean the filter and I pulled the intake side to check as well.

[NATEHAWK]

Honestly I think all catch cans are prone to let a lil oil by. But long as it catch the bigger quantity I can live with that. I have a home made catch can on mind now and recently purchased one of the cans Travis offers. I really like the molded hard PCV lines that comes with the kit for the Trilogy that is.

[SC Cheesehead]

Honestly I think all catch cans are prone to let a lil oil by. But long as it catch the bigger quantity I can live with that. I have a home made catch can on mind now and recently purchased one of the cans Travis offers. I really like the molded hard PCV lines that comes with the kit for the Trilogy that is.

^^^^^ What he said. ^^^^^

[Ms. Denmark]

We won one at Carlisle last year but were warned it wasn't worth installing which I wasn't surprised to hear. Prolly explains his rapid departure from mm.net.

[bolsen]

^^
Now that is some brutal honesty for your ***.

[MrBluGruv]

We won one at Carlisle last year but were warned it wasn't worth installing which I wasn't surprised to hear. Prolly explains his rapid departure from mm.net.

I thought it was because DR cried every time he was faced with the possibility of competition?

[bolsen]

DR has always had great products for our cars, he just isn't the nest business man. Too bad really.

[LANDY]

I thought it was because DR cried every time he was faced with the possibility of competition? Bingo............

[MM2004]

I thought it was because DR cried every time he was faced with the possibility of competition?


Bingo............

Not true guys.

I am the one that permanately banned him, and told him the reasons while on the phone with him.

Moving right along.

;)

Mike.

[Marauderjack]

PCV fumes are predominantly water vapor with some light boiling petroleum distillates (BLOWBY) and NONE of this will hurt a thing in your intake unless you take it off to show people how it looks inside??:cool:

My engine is very old with ultra-high mileage and never had a "catch can" N/A for 84K miles or the subsequent 155K miles Supercharged and I have had no problems with my intake or consuming "blowby" through the PCV!!:shake:

This is just another "Feel Good Mod" IMHO since PCV setups have been on billions of cars & trucks since the '60's with no apparent problems!!!:beer:

[fastblackmerc]

pcv fumes are predominantly water vapor with some light boiling petroleum distillates (blowby) and none of this will hurt a thing in your intake unless you take it off to show people how it looks inside??:cool:

My engine is very old with ultra-high mileage and never had a "catch can" n/a for 84k miles or the subsequent 155k miles supercharged and i have had no problems with my intake or consuming "blowby" through the pcv!!:shake:

This is just another "feel good mod" imho since pcv setups have been on billions of cars & trucks since the '60's with no apparent problems!!!:beer:

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bigdogjim]

Yes I agree 100% with the above post!!

[BODYMAN]

Open breathers for me! I tried the catch can thing & didnt care for it not to mention it didnt really work.

[Spectragod]

I'm using a pair of 42 Draft catch cans, they work in my case, is it a feel good mod? Probably, I feel good that they work.

[RacerX]

Open breathers for me! I tried the catch can thing & didnt care for it not to mention it didnt really work.
I was going to mention that. There are actually a lot of us running two breathers.

[SC Cheesehead]

I was going to mention that. There are actually a lot of us running two breathers.

I ran breathers for a short while after my Eaton swap, but got some fumes in the cabin at stop lights/signs, so I went back to a PCV set up with the catch can. I like the looks, and it is trapping some blow by. Is it a "feel good"? Maybe, but I'm happy with it, so good enough.

[Mr. Man]

I'm using a pair of 42 Draft catch cans, they work in my case, is it a feel good mod? Probably, I feel good that they work.
Colt 45 FTW :banana: at least that's how I interpreted the above:P

[Blown3.8]

These are the ones I use. Very nice, but pretty expensive. I haven't seen any oil in the discharge hose yet.

http://www.accmachtech.com/catchcans.asp

[DOOM]

These are the ones I use. Very nice, but pretty expensive. I haven't seen any oil in the discharge hose yet.

http://www.accmachtech.com/catchcans.asp

They don't come in chrome! :alone:

[Blown3.8]

They don't come in chrome! :alone:

Anything can be polished.;)

[DOOM]

Anything can be polished.;)

My hero! :lovies:

[CBT]

Anything can be polished.;)

DOOM, how you miss this one?!

That's what she said!

[ctrlraven]

My engine has some miles on it and I get a lot of blow-by because I know the rings are worn. Having the catch can is more of a need in my eye in my situation. I cleaned the intake manifold when ImpalaSlayer took it off for me and it was pretty bad @ 150k miles but could of been worse. Oil vapor being sucked back into the intake manifold is one thing, straight up oil being pulled back into it is another.

[gdmjoe]

bolsen ... I also want to instal a Metco breather.
If you're interested, I have one that I bought when they 1st came-out and never installled/used it that I'd like to sell. Send me a PM with your ship-to city and ZipCode and I'll give you a price.


http://www.gdmjoe.com/engine/metcooilfillercap.jpg

[MMBLUE]

I have a Musclemerc Catch Can and it works great. The big thing about it is that you must maintain it. It's not plug and play. I found that out the hard way and since then have been tending to it religiously. To me, it's better than have a boat load of oil in the upper hat and intake. :beer:

[sailsmen]

PCV fumes are predominantly water vapor with some light boiling petroleum distillates (BLOWBY) and NONE of this will hurt a thing in your intake unless you take it off to show people how it looks inside??:cool:

My engine is very old with ultra-high mileage and never had a "catch can" N/A for 84K miles or the subsequent 155K miles Supercharged and I have had no problems with my intake or consuming "blowby" through the PCV!!:shake:

This is just another "Feel Good Mod" IMHO since PCV setups have been on billions of cars & trucks since the '60's with no apparent problems!!!:beer:

Heretic! Burn the Wizzard!

[sailsmen]

My engine has some miles on it and I get a lot of blow-by because I know the rings are worn. Having the catch can is more of a need in my eye in my situation. I cleaned the intake manifold when ImpalaSlayer took it off for me and it was pretty bad @ 150k miles but could of been worse. Oil vapor being sucked back into the intake manifold is one thing, straight up oil being pulled back into it is another.

Bingo. The catch can is only needed on a sick motor. It does not cure the sickness, just reduces a symptom.

[Krytin]

Open breathers will allow air into the engine that does not go through the MAF. Un-metered air going into the intake will lead to a lean condition.

[Hotrauder]

Not true guys.

I am the one that permanately banned him, and told him the reasons while on the phone with him.

Moving right along.

;)

Mike.

My first thought was great job, but then it dawned on me that there hasn't been as much fun since the "I got Screwed by Reinhart" posts, which we had enjoyed for so many years, ended. Dennis :rolleyes:

[ctrlraven]

Bingo. The catch can is only needed on a sick motor. It does not cure the sickness, just reduces a symptom.
Yes and no. There is a lot of LS motor owners and Hemi motor owners that use a catch can from the start or even when the motor is in top running shape.

[Spectragod]

Bingo. The catch can is only needed on a sick motor. It does not cure the sickness, just reduces a symptom.

This may be true, but, my MM had more than it's share of oil in the intake with the stock motor, and less than 17k on it.

I do not get that much out of my catch cans that are on there now, but it is just a preventative measure.

[MOTOWN]

Bingo. The catch can is only needed on a sick motor. It does not cure the sickness, just reduces a symptom.

I totally disagree with that, these engines are notorius for creating an oil slick in the intake!

Dont believe me? pull any lid off of a 4.6l dohc engine and take a look! healthy engine, or not your going to see oil!

[Bradley G]

pLEASE DON'T TELL MY mARAUDER SHE NEEDS ONE,I have 122K on her now and she has done a real dandy job for me over the last eight and a half years.
Did I ever say I have raced this ride in seven states and over 500 passes?
Blo by this:censor:

[ctrlraven]

I totally disagree with that, these engines are notorius for creating an oil slick in the intake!

Dont believe me? pull any lid off of a 4.6l dohc engine and take a look! healthy engine, or not your going to see oil!
+1 The PCV is only closed when under heavy load, idle and cruising it's open.

[RacerX]

Open breathers will allow air into the engine that does not go through the MAF. Un-metered air going into the intake will lead to a lean condition.
Only if you have one breather open to the air and one to the intake tract. If both pcv valve cover openings are open to the air, NO unmetered air enters the inake tract. Period.

[ctrlraven]

Hmm maybe I should look at doing dual breather elements.

So I would just need two of these? http://metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MBR0013-1&cat=114

[fastblackmerc]

Hmm maybe I should look at doing dual breather elements.

If your rings are as bad as you claim, you'll probably not like the fumes entering the passenger compartment.

[SC Cheesehead]

If your rings are as bad as you claim, you'll probably not like the fumes entering the passenger compartment.

I noticed fumes off my car when idling at stop lights, that's the reason I went back to a PCV system with the MM catch can.

I don't get too much out of the can when I drain it, but I figure whatever's there isn't going into the engine, so fine by me.

[ctrlraven]

If your rings are as bad as you claim, you'll probably not like the fumes entering the passenger compartment.
I'm only guessing by the amount of oil I have in my catch can. I am off for a week coming up soon and will be doing a compression and then leak down test.

[Krytin]

Only if you have one breather open to the air and one to the intake tract. If both pcv valve cover openings are open to the air, NO unmetered air enters the inake tract. Period.

That will work! It could get a little smelly under the hood under wide open blasts but it eliminates the unmetered air problem!

You might want to consider plumbing the vents down lower in the engine bay like the old road draft tubes that were used prior to emission control/PCV valves. There is ALWAYS some blow by even on a healthy motor.

[RacerX]

That will work! It could get a little smelly under the hood under wide open blasts but it eliminates the unmetered air problem!

You might want to consider plumbing the vents down lower in the engine bay like the old road draft tubes that were used prior to emission control/PCV valves. There is ALWAYS some blow by even on a healthy motor.
??? Why??? That and the neck snapping shifts keep the wifey from asking to drive it! :lol:\

Good point though!

[sailsmen]

I totally disagree with that, these engines are notorius for creating an oil slick in the intake!

Dont believe me? pull any lid off of a 4.6l dohc engine and take a look! healthy engine, or not your going to see oil!

My OEM engine at 95K of which 50K were S/C with 180+ runs did not have an oil slick and my Cobra at 50K and 40+ runs did not have an oil slick.

There are a lot of Mod Motors out there that are running with High HP and High Mileage and no catch can and NO PROBLEMS. I own one.

[Krytin]

??? Why??? That and the neck snapping shifts keep the wifey from asking to drive it! :lol:\

Good point though!


Forget driving it - she doesn't even like riding in it!

Best quote yet - "You spent the last three hours to MAKE it shift like that?!"

[SC Cheesehead]

Forget driving it - she doesn't even like riding in it!

Best quote yet - "You spent the last three hours to MAKE it shift like that?!"

Does your wife have a sister? If so, I think I'm married to her... :rolleyes:

[GreekGod]

... This is just another "Feel Good Mod" IMHO since PCV setups have been on billions of cars & trucks since the '60's with no apparent problems!!! ...

Sounds like the fancy-shmancy coil spring connectors that go between the ignition coils & spark plugs. They miraculously gain power & mileage upon installation. Feels SO good! Someone should tell Ford, so they can better their CAFE standing.

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[RacerX]

Forget driving it - she doesn't even like riding in it!

Best quote yet - "You spent the last three hours to MAKE it shift like that?!"
:D Or: (in whiney voice) "Why didn't you just buy a standard if your going to shift gears like that???" as he pictures her neck snapping one final time...

[SC Cheesehead]

:D Or: (in whiney voice) "Why didn't you just buy a standard if your going to shift gears like that???" as he pictures her neck snapping one final time...

My wife has one word for my car: "Annoying." :o

[fastblackmerc]

My wife has one word for my car: "Annoying." :o

Mine too.............


Plus a few other "choice" words!!!!!! :beer: :banana2:

[71cyclone]

Has anyone pulled off their intake side tube since they installed it and checked to see if there was any oil getting into the intake side tube? I pulled mine off today and sure enough there was oil in it so that kind of defeats the purpose of the whole catch can theory.

Going to pulled the intake manifold off sometime soon and clean it, in the mean while I am going to revisit my old catch can at least that one allowed zero oil to get by even if it had a whole cup of oil in it. I might also just get a catch can with a breather filter on it.
DITTO / I use a JLT catch can with a ''lubrifiner screen filter'' insert and it does work :burnout:

[SC Cheesehead]

Mine too.............


Plus a few other "choice" words!!!!!! :beer: :banana2:

Ah, found her other sister... :rolleyes:

[71cyclone]

Man I like those components, they look real "sharp" - over the top O E M
[ Refering to Blown 3.8's Catch can Blog ]